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From: John Lacey <>
Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage
Date: 31 Jul 1999 17:40:59 -0500
Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
> Now wait just a minute. Did'nt Indias' railways get a touch of US
> locomotives when the WPs were sent from Baldwin Locomotive Works?
>
> Regards, Tim
Not to mention the Baldwin 4-4-0s of 1899!
Cheers, John Lacey
From: Auroprem Kandaswami <>
Subject: SCR Train mishap averted
Date: 31 Jul 1999 18:37:39 -0500
Courtesy: The Hindu
August 1, 1999
WARANGAL, JULY 31. A major train mishap was averted on the
Warangal-Hyderabad route this morning with four oil tankers and the
brake
van at the rear of a goods train getting uncoupled while the Kakatiya
passenger train bound for Secunderabad on its trail.
The guard in the brake van kept waving the red flag as the tankers got
separated and mowed down the line for almost a kilometre between
Goverdhanagiri and Komalla villages of Raghunathapalli mandal around
6-10
a.m. The engine driver detected the snapping of the oil tankers
following
cries of passersby on the road running parallel to the track. He stopped
the
train at a safe distance so that the loose tankers did not hit the
train.
The train was allowed to proceed towards Secunderabad after the tankers
were
re-attached. The Station Master of the Kazipet railway station, Mohd.
Shabbir Hussain, said the passenger train was detained at the Ghanpur
railway station for 10 minutes.
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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>
Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage
Date: 31 Jul 1999 19:20:18 -0500
Karthik Giddu wrote:
>
> Gang,
> Had the first sight of GM Locos. It will now give IR a touch of
American
> Railroads.
>
> Karthik
Now wait just a minute. Did'nt Indias' railways get a touch of US
locomotives when the WPs were sent from Baldwin Locomotive Works?
Regards, Tim
From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>
Subject: Re: dc page
Date: 31 Jul 1999 19:41:36 -0500
S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Three days and three nights of almost sleepless and one track dogged
> perseverance have finally borne fruit, and I now have pleasure to
> present for your viewing pleasure my dc page: dc mania:
BRAVO!!!!! Shanker,
I really enjoyed the format and the history lesson!
MORE!!!MORE!!!MORE!!!
Could you tell me what set-up pages you used from Tripod. I've been
racking my brains for a couple of nights too trying to get SOMETHING out
there.
Tim
From: Marcelo Benoit <>
Subject: Re: Accident Management Ideas
Date: 31 Jul 1999 23:33:28 -0500
>But it must be remembered that all this crumple zones stuff works only
>if most of the collision force arrives at the carriage longitudinally.
>For that to happen the trains consists needs to stay together, i.e.
>couplers must hold together. Once the train breaks up and cars pile up
>on top of one another, or if parts of a concrete bridge falls on a
>carriage, these longitudinal crumple zones do not help much, as was
>amply illustrated in the Eschede ICE derailment in Germany.
As far as I know the Germans don´t use crumple zones in their trains.
The
new railcars are being built for SNCF and DB. They have some
diferences,
but the main is that Germans railcars haven´t crumple zones. French
have.
Later series of TGV trainsets also.
Marcelo
ESTACION CENTRAL TERMINAL DE TRENES
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/lfu1/index-7.html">http://members.tripod.com/lfu1/index-7.html</A>
From: Harsh Vardhan <>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Long Hauls etc.]
Date: 01 Aug 1999 03:42:26 -0500
>> Can't say really because Iam yet to meet one driver who says that 2C
is
bad
>> compared to 2A. They all miss the old driving position though. I
regularly
>> get to meet the crews on these for Shane Punjab, Shramjeevi Exp and
>> Swaraj/Sarvodaya(beyond Ludhiana).
>>
>> One DLW loco which no crew has a kind word in my knowledge is WDP 1.
>
>Again why ? Is the ride quality bad or is it under powered or is the
traction
>quality poor ? Reliability issues ?
>
The crews are not happy about the underframes of these locos. they say
that
these are unreliable, have a tendency to snap/crack and create unstable
motions.
Harsh
From: Vdate <>
Subject: Re: dc page
Date: 01 Aug 1999 08:00:24 -0500
In a message dated 7/31/99 2:30:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
shankie@emirates.email writes:
<< <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm</A> >>
Thanks for covering the entire history of DC power. Wonderfully done.
From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>
Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage
Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:01:55 -0500
Dear John, also Tim & Anita,
There were actually several lots of steam engines bought by Indian
railways from USA, generally when the UK Parliament was looking the
other
way. The MSM's Pacifics and 2-8-2s of the early 1920s also spring to
mind.
But do please remember that although the prototype WPs were BUILT
by
Baldwin, they were DESIGNED IN INDIA. Admittedly, they were also
strongly
influenced by the A/WCD, AWC, AWE, and MAWD classes received during the
war,
but one of their most important and less noticeable features was the
large
firebox, designed specifically for low-grade Bengal coal. They were
about
the first Indian engines to be properly designed with that feature, and
it
has a lot to do with their outstanding success.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but one sees, again and
again,
people assuming that engines from foreign builders were designed FOR the
Indian railways, rather than BY them. It's particularly important where
the
WP/WG, YP/YG series are concerned, becuase an important feature of the
design was the massive reduction of the influence of the UK consulting
engineers in particular.
Yours for a fair go
Ken Walker
-----Original Message-----
From: John Lacey <jlacey@zeta.email
To: tmwake@warwick.email <tmwake@warwick.email
Cc: irfca <irfca@cs.email
Date: 1 August 1999 12:52
Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage
>Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
>> Now wait just a minute. Did'nt Indias' railways get a touch of US
>> locomotives when the WPs were sent from Baldwin Locomotive Works?
>>
>> Regards, Tim
>
>Not to mention the Baldwin 4-4-0s of 1899!
>
>Cheers, John Lacey
>
>
From: Samit Roychoudhury <>
Subject: my homepage is ready
Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:36:29 -0500
dear IRFCA members
just updated my webpage and its ready to be seen. i would very much like
you
all to have a look at it at
<A HREF="http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy">http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy</A>
this page has information all about me as well as trains... so you'll
have
to spend some time to sift over it.
its a bit heavy on the graphics side and there are no thumbnails, but
the
images have been sized well. i have done the entire site myself. be sure
to
fill in the guestbook please.
the railway sections have some photographs as well as a kind of a
chronological history of the indian railways i had done.
in case any of your would like to have your (or any other) railway pages
linked to mine please do send me the URL.
once again my homepage is at
<A HREF="http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy">http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy</A>
thank you
samit
2327 hrs IST 01 Aug 1999
From: C.L.Zeni <>
Subject: New Web Page
Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:58:15 -0500
As long as everybody is announcing new web pages, I thought I'd put in a
word for mine. I regret that it's not got Indian photos; however it
does have roof views of a number of US diesels. See the page at
<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/rm/roofermadness.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/rm/roofermadness.html</A>
--
Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>
The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia
From: S.Shankar <>
Subject: DIESEL FIESTA: REVISED EDITION
Date: 01 Aug 1999 14:20:30 -0500
HELLO,
As promised, I have the completely revised, expanded and improved diesel
fiesta site up and running now, dedicated to Apurva Bahadur, the diesel
freak, who has been my friend, philsopher and guide throughout this
project.
Check out the rejuvenated site at:
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
As usual, comments, suggestions and constructive (unintended pun!)
criticism are most welcome.
Enjoy your ride. As usual, there are a few spelling mistakes in the
HTML, which I will correct by a nd by,
There is also a new and revised text in the earlier dc engine site.
Check that also out at:
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm</A>
That leaves only the WP site to be rejuvenated. I will start on that
now.
Best regards.
Shankar
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book
Date: 01 Aug 1999 19:29:48 -0500
> By the way, I THINK I'm right in saying that I saw "No Problem"
> remaindered here in Australia some three years or so, for a fraction
of the
> cover price. You may be in luck around the bookstalls in Delhi, Bombay
(or
> mumble-bhai), even Pune?
Hi all,
Last week I bought a copy of NPS from the Strand Book Stall for
Rs.475/-.
I was informed that it was a damaged copy. But the only damaged part
visible was a small tear on the jacket which was hardly noticable.
Viraf.
From: Samit Roychoudhury <>
Subject: Re: my homepage is ready
Date: 01 Aug 1999 19:48:40 -0500
Steve
guess you got me there.
what i meant was that the calendar shots are the only ones which have
been
sourced from outside.
the one of me and my sister on the railcar was done by some
co-traveller,
probably my dad.
thanks for the point.
Samit
From: Jayant S <>
Subject: CNN - At least 50 feared killed in India rail blast - August 2, 1999
Date: 01 Aug 1999 19:52:29 -0500
<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9908/02/india.train.blast.01.reut/">http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9908/02/india.train.blast.01.reut/</A>
Terrorists again, I think. Anyone has more details ?
-JS-
From: Jayant S <>
Subject: ICF Article
Date: 01 Aug 1999 20:10:50 -0500
The current issue of "Frontline" carries a
special feature on the Integral Coach Factory,
Chennai, which makes an interesting read.
Check it out.
--
JS
--
From: Jayant S <>
Subject: Train Crash Update
Date: 01 Aug 1999 23:01:22 -0500
Recent update says the collision
between the AA Exp and the Brahmaputra Mail
near NJP was a collision, and not a bomb blast
as initially believed.
--
JS
--
From: Jayant S <>
Subject: BBC News: 200 killed in India train crash
Date: 01 Aug 1999 23:12:40 -0500
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409583.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409583.s</A>
tm
Sounds like an unusually terrible accident. BBC says
at least 200 people have been killed. Apparently at
least one of the trains was carrying military
explosives.
I did not know IR passenger trains were allowed to
carry ordanance ? Does this not contravene IR rules
on the carrying of explosive materials in passenger
trains ? Some questions need to be asked here.
-JS-
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: BGM on ERS page
Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:18:26 -0500
Surprisingly the soundtrack did not activate on my comp. I
have emailed the DRM
of ERS shed that I would volunteer my services free to
upgrade/ write new web
pages if needed. I must talk to Pune diesel and electric trip
shed as well for similar projects. The
problem is about the miserly 1 MB that VSNL offers for
personal webpages which limits the size of site. In contrast
Tripod and the likes offer 11 Mb per email address.
Apurva
Anand Krishnan wrote:
> Hi Karthik,
> I guess i can proudly say that something about me is involved
in
> that page(...just kidding about the music) . The background
intrumental on
> that page is from the movie 'Anand" and its one of my favourite
melodies too
> !!!
>
> Kind regards,
> Anand
>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: BBC News: 200 killed in India train crash
Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:34:32 -0500
We had an accident at Platform 2 of Pune Jn. a couple of year ago when
the
priming caps (used to initiate the main charge in a bullet) exploded en
mass
when they were being unloaded from the 1602 Up Manmad Pune passenger's
brake
van. It caused 6 deaths and the roof of the platform 2 detaching and
landing
some 40 meters away. Initially the military authorities denied that
these caps
have any explosive power of such destruction but later agreed to stop
sending
any material from Varangaon ordinance factory to Ammunition factory
Khakdi
near Pune by passenger trains. There was a rumour that some stronger
stuff was
being smuggled out from Varangaon under the guise of primer caps. But
even a
few days after the accident, there were many caps still strewn on the
platform, striking one with a stone produced a really tiny explosion not
very
different from the caps that children (of all ages) play during diwali.
Porters and khalasis, who were used to detonators etc had a field day
hitting
a cap with a stone in a demonstration of marksmanship.
Apurva
Jayant S wrote:
>
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409583.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409583.s</A>
tm
>
> Sounds like an unusually terrible accident. BBC says
> at least 200 people have been killed. Apparently at
> least one of the trains was carrying military
> explosives.
>
> I did not know IR passenger trains were allowed to
> carry ordanance ? Does this not contravene IR rules
> on the carrying of explosive materials in passenger
> trains ? Some questions need to be asked here.
>
> -JS-
From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>
Subject: BBC News: 200 killed in India train crash ...
Date: 02 Aug 1999 02:14:34 -0500
Extract from BBC News services ...
Monday, August 2, 1999 Published at 07:06 GMT 08:06 UK
World: South Asia
250 killed in India train crash
At least 250 people have been killed and more than
1,000 injured in a train crash in eastern Indian.
Reports say the collision happened when an express
train bound for Delhi hit another train head-on at Gaisan
station, in the state of West Bengal.
Explosions were heard and
initially a bomb attack was
suspected, but it now
appears both trains ended up
on the same line after a
signal failure.
Officials say at least one of
the trains was carrying
explosives in a military
compartment which may
have caused the trains to
catch fire after the crash.
Rescue teams have so far
removed 180 bodies from the
wrecked trains, but more
bodies have been counted
inside the carriages.
500 feared dead
The rescuers have been unable to get to two carriages at
the bottom of the heap of wreckage, and fear that the
death toll could eventually exceed 500.
Soldiers with gas cutters are trying to open the two
carriages.
The collision occurred at 0130 local time (2000 GMT), as
the Brahmputra Mail train from Gauhati passed through
the station where the Awadh-Assam Express was
stationary.
The engine of the express
was blasted into the air by
the impact of the explosion.
Fourteen carriages and the
engines of both trains were
completely smashed.
BBC correspondent Subir Bhaumik says this is easily
one of India's worst railway accidents and certainly the
most serious in the east of the country.
Compiled by Shrinivas