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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

Date: 30 Jul 1999 02:29:08 -0500

Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey", a
> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)

Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this is
about the steam locos.
Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
perspective.
And the various books by RR Bhandari ?

Apurva

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Preventable accidents?

Date: 30 Jul 1999 02:37:46 -0500

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, hvc wrote:

> >>Harsh write: "From my side I volunteer to submit the IRFCA reports
to the
> >>CRS and follow
> >>up with him [commissioner of Safety)."
>
> > I could compile the IRFCA e-mail
> >pertaining to accidents in an electronic file and transmit it to you
> >periodically either electronically or as a hard copy. Please let me
know
> if
> >that would meet your needs.
>
>
> That would be excellent. Send it to me off-list. I will then put them
in a
> pointwise shape and transmit a copy on the list for consensus(broadly)
on
> the points mentioned. I can take a hard copy here so do not worry
about the
> same.
> Can someone please draft a covering letter giving introduction of
IRFCA and
> its constituents and our purpose for bringing forward suggestions etc.
> Jayant, Poras ?
>
> Harsh
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

Harsh,

I volunteer to do this work. Send me the details and it will be done.

Poras

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Long Hauls etc.]

Date: 30 Jul 1999 05:27:40 -0500

> Can't see what is so sissy about the 2C wheel throttle. If the diesel
> drivers are indeed nostalgic about steam days then the wheel should be
> welcome!

Harsh,

Can you hazard a guess as to why a WDM 2C pilot should dream about being
back in
the WDM 2 ? I am quite sure that the 2C would be a better loco to work,
maybe
more comfortable also, but then why the negative sentiment ?

Apurva

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

Date: 30 Jul 1999 08:08:00 -0500

I, too, would love get my hands on this one - Rail Across India ......
Where and how can this be purchased?

Vijay

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Apurva Bahadur [SMTP:iti@vsnl.email
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 5:29 AM
>To: Shanku Niyogi
>Cc: Vijay Balasubramanian; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
>Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book
>
>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
>> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey", a
>> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
>> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)
>
>Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
>One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this
>is
>about the steam locos.
>Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
>perspective.
>And the various books by RR Bhandari ?
>
>Apurva
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Preventable accidents?

Date: 30 Jul 1999 09:22:28 -0500

I think you would know IRFCA better than me since you are more veteran
member.

Basically it has to be a brief introduction of IRFCA. What it is, its
constituents and what we expect those in seat of power to do with our
suggestions. The person getting some suggestions should also know where
they
are coming from!

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrej.email
To: hvc <hvc@vsnl.email
Cc: Jayant S <sank@telco.email Vdate@aol.email <Vdate@aol.email
irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Preventable accidents?

>On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, hvc wrote:
>
>> >>Harsh write: "From my side I volunteer to submit the IRFCA reports
to
the
>> >>CRS and follow
>> >>up with him [commissioner of Safety)."
>>
>> > I could compile the IRFCA e-mail
>> >pertaining to accidents in an electronic file and transmit it to you
>> >periodically either electronically or as a hard copy. Please let me
know
>> if
>> >that would meet your needs.
>>
>>
>> That would be excellent. Send it to me off-list. I will then put them
in
a
>> pointwise shape and transmit a copy on the list for
consensus(broadly) on
>> the points mentioned. I can take a hard copy here so do not worry
about
the
>> same.
>> Can someone please draft a covering letter giving introduction of
IRFCA
and
>> its constituents and our purpose for bringing forward suggestions
etc.
>> Jayant, Poras ?
>>
>> Harsh
>>
>
>PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
>TEL :5773535/3636
>EXT :4226/4232/4237
>
>
>Harsh,
>
>I volunteer to do this work. Send me the details and it will be done.
>
>Poras
>
>
>

From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

Date: 30 Jul 1999 09:33:13 -0500

Hi

Just been a checking through the shelves here.

Rails across India......No
Railways of the Raj by Mike Satow....1 copy at GBP18
Building the Railways of the Raj by Kerr 1 copy at GBP16 ( a straight
history book this one)

I get intermittent supplies of books from India from time to time
particularly RR Bhandari
but am sold out at present. In fact if any listmember in India can
source
books for me on a regular or even irregular basis I would be happy to
come
to some arrangement .....

Cheers

Iain
AEROLITE BOOKTRADERS (UK)
Railway and Tramway Book Dealer
FREE Bookfinder Service Available
<A HREF="http://www.aerolite.u-net.com">http://www.aerolite.u-net.com</A>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: [Fwd: Re: WP page of Shankar

Date: 30 Jul 1999 10:05:35 -0500

Is this gentleman one of our members?

Best regards.

Shankar

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: IR books - Rail Across India

Date: 30 Jul 1999 10:36:50 -0500

'Rail Across India: A Photographic Journey' is a fairly thick (244
pages)
coffee-table book. The authors of the book are Geoffrey Moorhouse (who
has
written many a book about India) and Brian Hollingsworth (the well-known
rail photographer).

The premise of the book is that the author and photographer travel
through
India by rail, visiting major cities and checking out all the
attractions
along the way. The pictures are not limited to rail photographs - a
large
number of them are interesting National Geographic-style general
photographs. (I would estimate that about 30% are rail-related).

The format of the book is to have sections of narrative with index
numbers
to photographs, followed by long sections of nothing but the photos.
Many of
the photos are full page or 2-page spreads.

The book was published in 1986, and the pictures were obviously taken
earlier, so there are a lot of steam photographs. The shot of Patna I
mentioned has a panoramic view of station from some distance, with
several
steam hauled trains entering and leaving the station. The shot reminded
me
of some of the panoramic shots I've seen of steam marshalling yards of
China.

The book comes in at a hefty U.S.$85 retail, and is not readily
available
everywhere - however, the U.S. online bookstore barnesandnoble.com has
it
readily available in stock, for $59.50 (it is on the New York Review of
Books Readers' Catalog, with which B&N has a deal). From other online
stores
like Amazon, you have to special order it.

For those outside North America - the publisher is Abbeville Press
(<A HREF="http://www.abbeville.com)">http://www.abbeville.com)</A>, and the ISBN is 0896596524.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:29 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'Vijay Balasubramanian'; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey", a
> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)

Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this
is
about the steam locos.
Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
perspective.
And the various books by RR Bhandari ?

Apurva

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: IR books - Rail Across India

Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:04:23 -0500

I'll look at the book this weekend, and let you know. Most of the
pictures
are steam - there are very few electric shots at all (some shots of
Calcutta
and Mumbai suburban lines), and most of the diesel shots are MG or NG.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 11:05 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'IRFCA'
Subject: RE: IR books - Rail Across India

Thanks for the info. I just verified that Barnes and Noble has that
book.
Do they have photos of diesel and electric locos.? If so,
approximately
how many?

Thanks
Vijay

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shanku Niyogi [SMTP:shankun@microsoft.email
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 1:37 PM
>To: 'Apurva Bahadur'
>Cc: Vijay Balasubramanian; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
>Subject: RE: IR books - Rail Across India
>
>'Rail Across India: A Photographic Journey' is a fairly thick (244
pages)
>coffee-table book. The authors of the book are Geoffrey Moorhouse (who
has
>written many a book about India) and Brian Hollingsworth (the
well-known
>rail photographer).
>
>The premise of the book is that the author and photographer travel
through
>India by rail, visiting major cities and checking out all the
attractions
>along the way. The pictures are not limited to rail photographs - a
large
>number of them are interesting National Geographic-style general
>photographs. (I would estimate that about 30% are rail-related).
>
>The format of the book is to have sections of narrative with index
numbers
>to photographs, followed by long sections of nothing but the photos.
Many
of
>the photos are full page or 2-page spreads.
>
>The book was published in 1986, and the pictures were obviously taken
>earlier, so there are a lot of steam photographs. The shot of Patna I
>mentioned has a panoramic view of station from some distance, with
several
>steam hauled trains entering and leaving the station. The shot reminded
me
>of some of the panoramic shots I've seen of steam marshalling yards of
>China.
>
>The book comes in at a hefty U.S.$85 retail, and is not readily
available
>everywhere - however, the U.S. online bookstore barnesandnoble.com has
it
>readily available in stock, for $59.50 (it is on the New York Review of
>Books Readers' Catalog, with which B&N has a deal). From other online
stores
>like Amazon, you have to special order it.
>
>For those outside North America - the publisher is Abbeville Press
>(<A HREF="http://www.abbeville.com)">http://www.abbeville.com)</A>, and the ISBN is 0896596524.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:29 AM
>To: Shanku Niyogi
>Cc: 'Vijay Balasubramanian'; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
>Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book
>
>
>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
>> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey",
a
>> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
>> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)
>
>Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
>One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this
>is
>about the steam locos.
>Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
>perspective.
>And the various books by RR Bhandari ?
>
>Apurva
>

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IR books - Rail Across India

Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:05:00 -0500

Thanks for the info. I just verified that Barnes and Noble has that
book.
Do they have photos of diesel and electric locos.? If so,
approximately
how many?

Thanks
Vijay

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shanku Niyogi [SMTP:shankun@microsoft.email
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 1:37 PM
>To: 'Apurva Bahadur'
>Cc: Vijay Balasubramanian; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
>Subject: RE: IR books - Rail Across India
>
>'Rail Across India: A Photographic Journey' is a fairly thick (244
pages)
>coffee-table book. The authors of the book are Geoffrey Moorhouse (who
has
>written many a book about India) and Brian Hollingsworth (the
well-known
>rail photographer).
>
>The premise of the book is that the author and photographer travel
through
>India by rail, visiting major cities and checking out all the
attractions
>along the way. The pictures are not limited to rail photographs - a
large
>number of them are interesting National Geographic-style general
>photographs. (I would estimate that about 30% are rail-related).
>
>The format of the book is to have sections of narrative with index
numbers
>to photographs, followed by long sections of nothing but the photos.
Many of
>the photos are full page or 2-page spreads.
>
>The book was published in 1986, and the pictures were obviously taken
>earlier, so there are a lot of steam photographs. The shot of Patna I
>mentioned has a panoramic view of station from some distance, with
several
>steam hauled trains entering and leaving the station. The shot reminded
me
>of some of the panoramic shots I've seen of steam marshalling yards of
>China.
>
>The book comes in at a hefty U.S.$85 retail, and is not readily
available
>everywhere - however, the U.S. online bookstore barnesandnoble.com has
it
>readily available in stock, for $59.50 (it is on the New York Review of
>Books Readers' Catalog, with which B&N has a deal). From other online
stores
>like Amazon, you have to special order it.
>
>For those outside North America - the publisher is Abbeville Press
>(<A HREF="http://www.abbeville.com)">http://www.abbeville.com)</A>, and the ISBN is 0896596524.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:29 AM
>To: Shanku Niyogi
>Cc: 'Vijay Balasubramanian'; 'Samit Roychoudhury'; 'IRFCA'
>Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book
>
>
>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
>> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey", a
>> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
>> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)
>
>Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
>One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this
>is
>about the steam locos.
>Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
>perspective.
>And the various books by RR Bhandari ?
>
>Apurva
>

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IR books - Rail Across India

Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:05:00 -0500

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: diesel fiesta, wp page

Date: 30 Jul 1999 12:50:22 -0500

Hello,
I thank all of you dear irfca friends for all those bouquets and praise
for my diesel fiesta page. I am sure you enjoyed the wp page as well.

I have learnt a good deal about web page creation now from several of
you.

But being initial attempts, the pages had their limitations. Some of the
pics were far too large. I did not size them correctly. There were no
thumbnails to facilitate easy loading. In the diesel page, the script of
the captions overshot the screen width, due to hwich you not only had ot
scroll top to bottom, you also had to scroll left to right.

I have therefore withdrawn both the pages from Tripod. I am happy you
enjoyed them, but I want to do a perfect job. You will not see the pages
now if you click on the url.

I will post the sites again in a new, expanded form with all the
negative points removed. I am presently working on a dc engine site,and
hope to have it up and running soon.

Thank you for your patience. I will be back soon. And my profound
apologies to those disappointed with the withdrawal of the two earlier
sites.All your favorite pics (vaigai, Pallavan, Kumbakonam) will be
back, I promise you.

Best regards.

Shankar

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Long Hauls etc.]

Date: 31 Jul 1999 00:02:19 -0500

>> Can't see what is so sissy about the 2C wheel throttle. If the diesel
>> drivers are indeed nostalgic about steam days then the wheel should
be
>> welcome!
>
>Harsh,
>
>Can you hazard a guess as to why a WDM 2C pilot should dream about
being
back in
>the WDM 2 ? I am quite sure that the 2C would be a better loco to work,
maybe
>more comfortable also, but then why the negative sentiment ?

Apurva

Can't say really because Iam yet to meet one driver who says that 2C is
bad
compared to 2A. They all miss the old driving position though. I
regularly
get to meet the crews on these for Shane Punjab, Shramjeevi Exp and
Swaraj/Sarvodaya(beyond Ludhiana).

One DLW loco which no crew has a kind word in my knowledge is WDP 1.

Harsh

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Long Hauls etc.]

Date: 31 Jul 1999 01:04:30 -0500

> Can't say really because Iam yet to meet one driver who says that 2C
is bad
> compared to 2A. They all miss the old driving position though. I
regularly
> get to meet the crews on these for Shane Punjab, Shramjeevi Exp and
> Swaraj/Sarvodaya(beyond Ludhiana).
>
> One DLW loco which no crew has a kind word in my knowledge is WDP 1.

Again why ? Is the ride quality bad or is it under powered or is the
traction
quality poor ? Reliability issues ?

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 31 Jul 1999 01:21:03 -0500

Yo !

Check out ERS shed webpage
<A HREF="http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/">http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/</A>

Apurva

From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

Date: 31 Jul 1999 02:45:29 -0500

Dear Apurva,
The full details of "Rail Across India" are: Pet, P.C., Moorhouse,
G.,
& Hollingsworth, B., Rail Across India. (New York: Abbeville Press,
London:
New Cavendish Books, New Delhi: Lustre Press Pvt. Ltd., 1985.) Sorry, I
have
no record of the price.
Note the Indian publisher. I saw it in the Oxford Bookshop in
Delhi as
well as other places, when in India last, in April this year. It's a
blockbuster of a book, over twice the weight of "No Problem, Sahib" and
larger still in format -- roughly square, close to horizontal. In my
humble
opinion , it is the best coffee-table book around on Indian railways: it
puts them into context, and the photography is stunning. I think it is
far
better than NPS: it doesn't pretend things are easy, and it is less
self-indulgent. But it is pricey!
By the way, I THINK I'm right in saying that I saw "No Problem"
remaindered here in Australia some three years or so, for a fraction of
the
cover price. You may be in luck around the bookstalls in Delhi, Bombay
(or
mumble-bhai), even Pune?
Satow's book came out about 1980, I think, from an obscure
English
publisher -- Scolar Press, I think it was. It'll probably be out of
print by
now. It was slight, in the sense that the short preceding essay whetted
your
appetite rather than satisfying it, and you just got into the pictures
when
they ran out. But what there is is very good: a dozen of so early colour
lithographs, and a lot of black and white pictures, most from the India
Office Library collection, I think. If you see it, grab it!
Happy reading
Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
Cc: 'Vijay Balasubramanian' <VBalasubramanian@softrax.email 'Samit
Roychoudhury' <samr@vsnl.email 'IRFCA' <irfca@cs.email
Date: 30 July 1999 10:55
Subject: Re: IR books + need info. on Daboo's book

>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
>> Another really good book is "Rail Across India: A Photographic
Journey",
a
>> coffee-table book. Lots of pictures, many rail-related (including a
>> spectacular panoramic shot of the Patna station in steam days)
>
>Please give the details of this book, I have never seen or heard of
this.
>One excellent book I can think of is CT Gammel's 'Relics of the Raj' -
this
is
>about the steam locos.
>Also 'Railways of the Raj' by MG Satow - this is from the historical
>perspective.
>And the various books by RR Bhandari ?
>
>Apurva
>
>
>

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: correction

Date: 31 Jul 1999 07:47:06 -0500

dear DME, Ernakulam Diesel Shed

i got the link for your website from the IRFCA newsgroup.

i am extremely pleased to see this page up, as it seems people are
finally
caring enough to make web pages. keep up the good work.

i just wanted to point out that right at the top of the page, it says
"Indian Railway" when it should correctly read "indian Railways". only
the
zonal railways are written as railway and not railways. but please do
correct me if i am wrong.

thank you

samit

2016 hrs IST 31 July 1999

From: Karthik Giddu <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 31 Jul 1999 08:39:01 -0500

Gang,
Had the first sight of GM Locos. It will now give IR a touch of American
Railroads.
Most of the ERS locos come Vasai Road.

One important finding they are using a Hindi film song as background
music.
Can anyone point the film!!!

Karthik

At 01:51 PM 7/31/99 +0530, Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>Yo !
>
>Check out ERS shed webpage
><A HREF="http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/">http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/</A>
>
>Apurva
>
>
>
>
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gidduk/">http://members.tripod.com/gidduk/</A>
+91-22-8014919

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 31 Jul 1999 09:58:54 -0500

Karthik Giddu wrote:

> Gang,
> Had the first sight of GM Locos. It will now give IR a touch of
American
> Railroads.
> Most of the ERS locos come Vasai Road.

The picture on the page is not of the GM loco, however there is link at
the bottom
General Motors GT46MAC 4000 HP Locomotive
which leads to the correct site. There are links to the various
workshops of the SR
too. CHeck out the dinky railbus that Mysore has made. I think that is
a MG rake
meant for MYS - Chamarajanagar branchline.

Apurva

>
>
> One important finding they are using a Hindi film song as background
music.
> Can anyone point the film!!!
>
> Karthik
>
> At 01:51 PM 7/31/99 +0530, Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >Yo !
> >
> >Check out ERS shed webpage
> ><A HREF="http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/">http://business.vsnl.com/locomotive/</A>
> >
> >Apurva
> >
> >
> >
> >
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gidduk/">http://members.tripod.com/gidduk/</A>
> +91-22-8014919

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: dc page

Date: 31 Jul 1999 14:20:09 -0500

Hello,
Three days and three nights of almost sleepless and one track dogged
perseverance have finally borne fruit, and I now have pleasure to
present for your viewing pleasure my dc page: dc mania:

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dcmania.htm</A>

There are still some spelling mistakes in the HTML which I will correct
by and by.

And for those disappointed with the withdrawal of my diesel page,
(Harsh, Apurva), I'm happy to be able to tell you that a new, expanded
one is due to be out soon. Give me two or three days time.

The thumbnail feature did not work out,unfortunately. I still have to
study that aspect. I have therefore given links.I know it is a bit
cumbersome: there are absolutely no pics on the first page, and the page
keeps scrolling upwards each time you are looking at an image. I will
work on the thumbnail yet.

In the meantime, enjoy! (The limitations notwithstanding!)

Once again, my special thanks to Apurva Bahadur for all the moral and
technical support given.

Best regards.

Shankar.

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