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From: Prateep Chatterjee <>

Subject: Re: Single line electrification and more...

Date: 05 Oct 1999 12:50:39 -0500


There are two such sections on the Delhi-Allahabad trunk :

1. Kanpur Central - Chandari
2. Tundla Jn - Agra (Fort/Jn. ??)

Technically can these small distances between the stations be considered
as
'single line electrified tracks' ??

> A couple of other single line electrified sections -
> Kottavalasa-Kirandul
> Bilaspur-Khongsara and Khodri-Annupur (part of the Katni-Bilaspur
route
> which has 2 x 25 kv electrification)
> Champa-Gevra Road
>
> A few multi-track sections where only one of the lines is electrified
-
> Chengalpattu - Villupuram (is a parallel BG-MG line with only the MG
line
> being electrified)
> Visakhapatnam-Kottavalasa (only the line towards Kirandul is
electrified)

--
--------------------------------------------------
Prateep Chatterjee
Graduate Student
Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
and Engineering Mechanics
University of Missouri-Rolla
Rolla, MO 65409
Phone : (573) 308-1542
--------------------------------------------------

From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Sri Lanka

Date: 05 Oct 1999 13:58:37 -0500


Hi guys...

Can anyone point me to a source of good info on Sri Lanka railways
and the situation there in general. I may be making a visit there
soon!

Cheers

Iain

Aerolite Books
Pickering, UK.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Info on WAP1

Date: 05 Oct 1999 14:21:40 -0500


Thanks to Shankar and Apurva for their information. I've posted a
picture of
a WAP3 from Shankar's page, annotated with the objects of interest, at

<A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/test/wap3img.jpg">http://threshold.simplenet.com/test/wap3img.jpg</A>

So far, here's what we seem to have:

1) Emergency hazard flasher. Does anyone know what kind of bulb is
inside
this thing? Is the bulb orange, as it appears to be in this picture?

2) Unknown, I added this item since my original email.

3) Marker lamps. Is the bulb blue or orange?

4) Not quite clear, possibly for communication. I have seen locomotive
radio
antennas (whip type?) that are shaped like this.

5) MU connectors? I have seen a pair of WAP1s MU'd together before, but
didn't get to see this.

6) Tap changer assembly and air hose. Is the former the official name
for
the connectors at the ends of the hose? Anyone know what the US term for
this is?

7) These holes seem to be distinct from the step holes, which are
slightly
higher and below the door. Another photograph I have seems to show that
these holes have some sort of latch inside them, as opposed to the step
inside the step hole.On this WAP3, there are also a pair of similar
holes
near the middle of the engine.

An additional question - what kind of bogeys are on the original WAP1?
Does
anyone have a good side view of a WAP1 bogey?

Thanks,
Shanku

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Return to Katpadi

Date: 05 Oct 1999 15:25:18 -0500


Hello all,

I have completed my follow up page to my first.I hope this works.

please go to
<A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/Return%20to%20Katpadi.htm">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/Return%20to%20Katpadi.htm</A>

I'm hoping to get the rest of my Indin Railways photography scanned soon
for posting. Enjoy!

Tim Wakeman

From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: Sri Lanka

Date: 05 Oct 1999 19:15:40 -0500


Hi guys...
>
>Can anyone point me to a source of good info on Sri Lanka railways
>and the situation there in general. I may be making a visit there
>soon!
>
>Cheers
>
>Iain


Didn't Royston Ellis write a book entitled "Sri Lanka by rail"; a
companion
to his "India by Rail" volume??? If so, is it still in print?

I would also like to find a Sri Lanka railway website.

********************************************************************
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99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
CANADA
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From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Hi !!!

Date: 05 Oct 1999 21:16:14 -0500


>> One thing more that is anybody from Delhi in IRFCA ???
>>
>Delhi-ites, please respond!!
>


Well, as far as i know, iam the only pucca Delhiite on the list. Joydeep
is
here too presently and is well travelled around.
please shoot your query!

Harsh

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Single line electrification and more...

Date: 05 Oct 1999 21:39:55 -0500




>A couple of other single line electrified sections -
>Kottavalasa-Kirandul
>Bilaspur-Khongsara and Khodri-Annupur (part of the Katni-Bilaspur route
>which has 2 x 25 kv electrification)
>Champa-Gevra Road

Single line electrified sections on branch line from *Anuppur*

Boridand Jn. to Bishrampur(Line planned to be extended to Ambikapur).
Darritola Jn. to Tiger Hill.
Boridand Jn. to Chirmiri.

A few single lines around Barajmanda are also electrified and so is the
branch line to Haldia.

>A few multi-track sections where only one of the lines is electrified -
>Visakhapatnam-Kottavalasa (only the line towards Kirandul is
electrified)

My map shows that all lines between Kottavalsa Jn. and Vizag are
electrified(including lines to VSKP steel plant and refinery). Can
anyone
confirm this?
During my last visit (in Jan '97), the electric loco would be put on the
passenger train only from Simhachalam and between VSKP and Simhachalam
the
train was diesel hauled!! But lot of electrification work was in
progress so
anything is possible!

Harsh

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Sri Lanka

Date: 05 Oct 1999 21:43:35 -0500


Mike Brooker wrote:
>
> Didn't Royston Ellis write a book entitled "Sri Lanka by rail"; a
companion
> to his "India by Rail" volume??? If so, is it still in print?

Saw it in bookshop ( in Australia) not too long ago
>
> I would also like to find a Sri Lanka railway website.

There certainly was one a little while ago, which had links to a model
railway club in Colombo. There were interesting photos on it. But I
can't seem to locate it at the moment.
John Lacey

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: one more ghaisal

Date: 05 Oct 1999 22:10:44 -0500


Hi!

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, S.SRINIVAS wrote:

> Oh my God !
>
> It is a repeat of the Ghaisal tragedy.
> In London this time but, luckily,
> with much less casualties.
>
Yes, there is a photo in Times of India with compartments spread around.
This happened in morning peak hours near Peddington Stn. near London.
Eight to ten died in the tragedy.

> Seems like other railways are
> catching up with IR. Will BR
> suspend a few officers ? Let
> us keep track.

Hope they don't catch up in these matters. Members from UK will have
more
details in next few days for us on the list.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: HVC <>

Subject: Kanpur, Chanderi, Juhi, Govindpuri etc(was ; Re: Single line electrification and more...)

Date: 05 Oct 1999 22:25:38 -0500


I noted the following distance markers.

Chanderi Platform(1015/29)
Bifurcation to Kanpur Central at(1016/1)
Kanpur Central platform begns at(1018/23)
Tracks meet again at *(1018/42)*
Obviously this is the distance on the mainline and not through Kanpur
Central. So the loop through Kanpur Central is much longer exact idea of
whose length I still don't have as after Kanpur Central there are no
real
distance markers on the loop line. I reckon it is about 1.5 Km.

Govindpuri is just a wayside station. Juhi is the parallell Marshalling
Yard
and its control cabins and also acts as the east/west cabins for
Govindpuri.
Govindpuri is 1021 Km.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Prateep Chatterjee <prateep@umr.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Single line electrification and more...


>There are two such sections on the Delhi-Allahabad trunk :
>
>1. Kanpur Central - Chandari
>2. Tundla Jn - Agra (Fort/Jn. ??)
>
>Technically can these small distances between the stations be
considered as
>'single line electrified tracks' ??
>
>> A couple of other single line electrified sections -
>> Kottavalasa-Kirandul
>> Bilaspur-Khongsara and Khodri-Annupur (part of the Katni-Bilaspur
route
>> which has 2 x 25 kv electrification)
>> Champa-Gevra Road
>>
>> A few multi-track sections where only one of the lines is electrified
-
>> Chengalpattu - Villupuram (is a parallel BG-MG line with only the MG
line
>> being electrified)
>> Visakhapatnam-Kottavalasa (only the line towards Kirandul is
electrified)
>
>--
>--------------------------------------------------
>Prateep Chatterjee
>Graduate Student
>Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
>and Engineering Mechanics
>University of Missouri-Rolla
>Rolla, MO 65409
>Phone : (573) 308-1542
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: India's other rack

Date: 05 Oct 1999 22:27:39 -0500


Dear John, Shankar, Apurva and others,

The
notes from PSA Berridge's Couplings to the Khyber(a copy of which I'd
dearly
love to possess) are extremely interesting.

I saw a programme of Mark Tully(BBC Great Railway Journeys series
perhaps
but Iam not sure) where is is sitting with his guide besides what
remains of
the Chapper Rift today of the Sindh Peshin Railway. He is also shown
holding
a copy of `Railways of the Raj' which has plate(on page 20) of the same
place by H.H. Hart. "It was breached in 1942 and thereafter its girders
were
recovered for re-use by a feat of engineering which equalled that of its
construction. The rails were 233 ft. above the bottom of the gorge."

But Apurva, this is different and I don't recall seeing any
picture/plate of
the
old BG alignment with rack rail which lasted just two years or so before
getting washed away in floods. The plate in Railways of the Raj shows
the
intermediate MG alignment(before BG rack line came) but of couse it is a
great picture for it shows the two double ended `Fairlies'. They ended
their
working life on NMR!!!

Harsh

From: Joydeep Dutta <>

Subject: Re: Info on WAP1

Date: 05 Oct 1999 23:06:22 -0500



Hi
I can help you with the following WAP1 infos
The two pipes that you see beside the headlight are the brake cylinder
equalizing and Main reservior pipes. These are used during multiple-unit

operations. Just have close look at the loco you will find the words MR
and
BC written besides the pipes.
The object that you see mounted on the roof top beside the whistle blow
pipe
is the flasher light used during an emergency.
The vertical columns tha you see are the driver-gurad intercomm
connection
plugs since WAP1 was originally desingned for the Rajdhani Express. You
will
find CR , WR , ER , written beside these plugs which indicate which
railway
uses which plugs.
Joydeep

>From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
>To: "'irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Info on WAP1
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:30:54 -0700
>
>Folks,
>
>I need some information about the WAP1 - specifically, I need to know
what
>some of the parts visible on the WAP1 are. I'm not very well acquainted

>with
>electric locomotive technology, and haven't had much of a chance to
observe
>a WAP1 from close up (I did see a WAP6, which had some of these parts
>missing).
>
>Here are the things I need clarification about. I have a good guess
about
>some of these, but it's probably good to clarify anyway:
>
>- the pair of vertical columns of three objects each on the face of the

>loco
>(why don't WAP4s have these?)
>- the pair of vertical columns of two circular objects just below the
>windshield
>- the hoses beside the headlight
>- the lights on the side, by the window - what kind of lights are
these?
>- the object mounted on the front of the cab roof (beside the horn)
>- the square slots on the sidebody, below the window but near the
bottom.
>- a pair of similar slots at the middle of the body (WAP4s don't seem
to
>have these)
>
>Thanks,
>Shanku

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From: s.shankar <>

Subject: Travel to Sri Lanka

Date: 06 Oct 1999 00:49:31 -0500


Hello Ian, Mike and others,
I'd painstakingly composed this mail before, but for some inexplicable
reason, it disappeared before I could hit the 'send' button.

Something seems wrong. All the Sri lanka sites I'd bookamarked are
either
off line, or display an 'url not found message'.

As far as books are concerned, I think the best bets are:

-Sri Lanka by Rail: by Royston Ellis
-Lonely Planet guide: destination Sri Lanka.
An advantage of LP is that they can also be accessed online.

In addition, you can try the following urls:

<A HREF="http://travel.state.gov/sri_lanka.html">http://travel.state.gov/sri_lanka.html</A>

<A HREF="http://gosouthasia.about.com/travel/africaasia/gosouthasia/gi/dynamic/of">http://gosouthasia.about.com/travel/africaasia/gosouthasia/gi/dynamic/of</A>
fsit
e.htm?site=<A HREF="http://infolanka.com/org/mrail/SLRAILS.HTM">http://infolanka.com/org/mrail/SLRAILS.HTM</A>

<A HREF="http://gosouthasia.about.com/travel/africaasia/gosouthasia/gi/dynamic/of">http://gosouthasia.about.com/travel/africaasia/gosouthasia/gi/dynamic/of</A>
fsit
e.htm?site=<A HREF="http://infolanka.com/org/mrail/RROUTES.HTM">http://infolanka.com/org/mrail/RROUTES.HTM</A>

<A HREF="http://www.scienceland.lk/railway/network.htm">http://www.scienceland.lk/railway/network.htm</A>

Best regards.

Shankar





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From: s.shankar <>

Subject: Re: RE. Info on WAP/1

Date: 06 Oct 1999 01:39:23 -0500


Hello,

The round object at # 2 is the ventilator. ALL IR passenger cars have a
line
of these running along the length of the car roofs, at the centre.
Some of these turn round and round, like fans.

Most WAP/1s have two of these, one above each driver's seat. A few stray
WDM/2s have these too.

Though not the clearest of pictures, as it is scanned from a magazine,
here
is the side view of a new WAP/1 from my ac unleashed!!! site, which
should
give a fair idea of the type of bogie fitted under these locomotives:

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/sukanya.jpg">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/sukanya.jpg</A>

Cheers.

Shankar




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From: s.shankar <>

Subject: Return to Katpadi

Date: 06 Oct 1999 01:50:26 -0500


Hello Tim,

Nice site. As usual, your photography excels. Do hurry up with your
exclusive photography site!!

Only two points: The title could be a little bolder and bigger.

There is a distinct lack of diversity in railway scenes as compared to
your
earlier site.

But this site shows very clearly the degree of deterioration of steam on
the
IR, more poignantly brought out as the pics are shot at the same
location.
The pic (two actually) in your earlier site of the steam hauled train
coming
round the sharp curve is not something one can forget in a hurry!

While the overgrown and decreipt steam shed will move even the most hard
hearted soul, it will almost move to tears anyone who has seen the same
shed
in your previous site, gaily (freshly) painted in all its glory! I was
nearly in tears myself. The dull and faded painting, shed razed to the
ground, and the pits filled with bricks: a tragedy of epic proportions.
Will
move even the strongest of individuals.

The sunset in the last few frames was a terrific idea. Shows that the
sun
has finally and irreversably set over steam.

It will have a terrific impact(though not a pleasant one by any means)
if
you could merge both the websites into one large website, showing the
freshly painted glory of the steam shed, and its present tragic
condition.

MAy the departed steamers rest (or at least rust) in peace.

Shankar




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From: San-Ind <>

Subject: Re: Hi !!!

Date: 06 Oct 1999 06:45:51 -0500


dear Vijay,
Hi !
Thanx for the fantasy trains...... But I've a question ??? In my
knowledge
Igatpuri is a reverse station ???
Is it ???
Please send me all details of yr' Fantasy trains....... I love them....

A great news, I'd got a latest Pakistani Rly. MAp....... It is really
nice.... By this i'll complete my all details of Old North-west
Rly(fantasy)......

I'd heard About the Abandoned Work of Gauge Conversion between
Hassan-Mangalore.....
Ist thing it is in Dense Forests and lot of Animals, snakes etc.....
But main reason is the Famous Chandan Smuggler Virappan..... Ministry of
Railway had sent around 10-15 Survey PArties there.... But Every time
Veerappan Threated them & ordered to stop the work..... Now its almost
1-2
years.... I think its still pending.....

Same incidents are happening in Bihar Also.... Some days back some
Militants/Locals abducted some Railwaymen there ??? Is anybody know
about
that incident ???? They had put them in custody for 3-4 days....

Regards

Sandeep


____( \ .-' `-. / )____
(____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____)
(____ `-----( ) )-----' ____)
(____ _____________\ \____/ /_____________ ____)
(______/ `-.____.-' \______)

"A part of you has grown in me,
together forever we shall be,
never apart,
maybe in distance,
but not in heart"
~unknown

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Fw: Hi !!!

Date: 06 Oct 1999 08:34:19 -0500




> -----Original Message-----
> From: San-Ind [SMTP:docqcs@nde.email
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:10 PM
> To: Vijay Balasubramanian
> Subject: RE: Hi !!!
>
> dear Vijay,
> Hi !
>
> About Una-Mukerian Link.....
>
> There's already one Existing Rly. Line bet.
Mukerian-Talwara-PongDam.....
> This is disused now in between Mukerian & Talwara but A shuttle train
for
> Dam Employees run between Talwara &Pong Dam Aprrox. 6km. I remember
I'd
> travelled in it in 1986... It has Hilly Terrain... I don't know the
> specs..... I'm not sure that it is now running or not..... Due to
> financial
> problems Una-Talwara link will take around 4-5yrs. to complete.....
> About Una Station.... Here's no terminal facilities... Its only 2 line
> station... In morning Himachal Express reach there & returned in One
hour
> only as passenger to NAngal Dam..... In evening it again go to Una &
> Returned to Delhi/Barelly.......
>
> In Pathankot, there's a 3-4 kms. long B.G. Railway Siding to Stone
> Querries...... For whole Firozpur Division BAllast has supplied from
> here......
>
> I think u must know there's another Dam railway from Nangal Dam
Rly.St. to
> Bhakra Dam...Even it has 2-3 tunnels also..... It has a steep
> gradient......
>
>
> On Ifrca Site I'm not able to see the Mails after 14.9.99. How can i
See
> them ??? Is there any method by which I can directly get mail of All
> members ???
>
> Regards
>
> Sandeep
>
>
>
> ____( \ .-' `-. / )____
> (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____)
> (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____)
> (____ _____________\ \____/ /_____________ ____)
> (______/ `-.____.-' \______)
>
> "A part of you has grown in me,
> together forever we shall be,
> never apart,
> maybe in distance,
> but not in heart"
> ~unknown

From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: Single line electrification and more...

Date: 06 Oct 1999 09:26:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

>I believe Barasat - Basirhat - Hasnabad is electrified single track.
There area
>few sections of electrified single tracks in the Sealdah South area
also. I
>don't recall which sections though. These are all AC Calcutta suburban
.
>trackage

As of summer 1998, Barasat Jn - Hasnabad was not electrified. This line
is served by DMU's usually, with some through running to Sealdah.

After the initial spate of 25 kV AC electrification in Calcutta area
was over, Sealdah division ended up with the following lines
electrified:
1. Sealdah - Ranaghat. Quad tracks till kankinara, triple tracks from
Kankinara to Naihati, double tracks from Naihati to Ranaghat.
2. DumDum Jn - Bangaon. Originally single track. I believe this line
has been doubled upto Habra. Habra - Bangaon is still single, afaik.
3. Dum Dum Jn - Dankuni Jn, double tracks.
4. Ranaghat - Krishnanagar City, single track with semaphore signals.
5. Kalinarayanpur - Shantipur, single track with semaphore signals.
6. Sealdah (South) - Diamond Harbour, double tracks upto Baruipur,
single thereafter.
7. Baruipur - Lakshmikantapur, single, this line is supposed to be
extended till Namkhana (status unknown to me).
8. Sonarpur - Canning, single.
9. Ballygunge (or Baliganja ?) - Baj Baj, I believe passenger train
working is single line with more lines for Goods traffic, but it
is possible that there are double tracks upto Majherhat.

Among newer things, the Kalyani - Kalyani Simanta spur is single track.
All electrified sections have colour light signals except those
mentioned. Automatic signalling exists only between Sealdah and
Belgharia in the North, and I think between Sealdah (South) and
Ballygunge.

Non-electrified suburban lines:
1. Ranaghat - Gede, double tracks
2. Ranaghat - Bangaon, single track
3. Barasat - Hasnabad, single
These sections use semaphore signals as well, afaik.
I understand that decision has been made to electrify all these lines
but progress is sketchy. The passengers on the Bandel - Katwa section
have I think been able to put more pressure on the Railways so that
section is now electrified.

Regards.
ths.

From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: Route-kms on IR (Revised) - ALSO, Missing Distances!

Date: 06 Oct 1999 09:38:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

>I seem to recall that both Howrah - Amta and Howrah - Sheakhala NG
lines
>terminated at Howrah Maidan. If that is correct then it is unlikely
that the
>Sheakhala BG line is a spur from Dankuni. It is more likely that it is
a spur
>off the new Howrah - Amta line, but this is of course all subject to
>verification. I am also told that the Howrah - Amta BG line has not
quite
>reached Amta yet. Same may be the situation with the Sheakhala line.
Unless e
>som
>one does the on the ground reconnaisance of this before May 2000, I
will do it
>personally and report back.

Yes both these lines started at Howrah Maidan, but they bifurcated
pretty soon thereafter. The Howrah Amta line had a spur to Chanpadanga
from Bargachia Jn. The BG replacements do not serve the urbanised
parts of these defunct lines. I think the decision to build to those
areas from Andul and from Dankuni was not having to mess with the
maze of tracks near Howrah. Last I knew, BG line had reached Bargachia
on the Amta side, and the line to Sheakhala had made virtually no
progress. But this information is a few years old.

ths.

From: PG JULIAN RAINBOW <>

Subject: Re: Sri Lanka

Date: 06 Oct 1999 09:50:08 -0500


Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:43:35 +1000
From: John Lacey <jlacey@zeta.email
To: Mike Brooker <aum108@idirect.email
Cc: irfca <irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: Sri Lanka


I think Sri Lanka by Rail is still available in UK, try Stamfords
near Covent Garden or possibly Motor Books


Sri Lanka site was available from one of the Indian Railway sites not
sure if it was IRFCA or not

Julian

Mike Brooker wrote:
>
> Didn't Royston Ellis write a book entitled "Sri Lanka by rail"; a
companion
> to his "India by Rail" volume??? If so, is it still in print?

Saw it in bookshop ( in Australia) not too long ago
>
> I would also like to find a Sri Lanka railway website.

There certainly was one a little while ago, which had links to a model
railway club in Colombo. There were interesting photos on it. But I
can't seem to locate it at the moment.
John Lacey

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