IRFCA Mailing List Archive
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:04:30 -0500
> CR,BG,Dativali,Bhivandi Jn. (direct)
Dativli is 2 Kms from Diva on the KR road towards Panvel. Bhivandi Rd
(not a junction, just 'Road') is on the Dombivali - Vasai Rd line. The
distances on that line as per the latest CR tt are ex CSTM: Kalyan Jn
(54 not really on that line but the nearest "Jn"), Diva (43 again not on
that line but trains from KR onto WR will use the Vasai link to change
systems like TCV Rajdhani), Dombivali (48 Kms - why is Dombivali not
a junction ? - the lines to Vasai bifurcate here), Bhivandi Road (57
Kms), Kharbao (65 Kms), Kaman (73 Kms), Vasai Road (84 Kms).
Can the inter station distances be worked out from this ?
So distance between Dativali and Bhivandi Rd is
2(to Diva)+5(to Dombivali)+9(to Bhivandi Rd) = 16 Kms !
Hope this helps, let me know if you need to see a map of this area.
Apurva
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>
Subject: New halt for TVC Raj
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:24:10 -0500
I noticed from the new CR TT that the TVC Raj. halts at Ankola (near
Karwar)
in both the directions.
Why is that? Is Ankola important enough to have a Rajdhani-type halt?
I
can understand IR's strategy
of complementing the halts for the Raj. and Mangala but why Ankola of
all
the places?
Vijay
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:27:44 -0500
I wish to make a slight correction on the matter
The Island Express fell in the Ashtamudi Lake near Quilon
Its end points at the time were Bangalore to Nagarcoil
Rajan
> >ISLAND EXP (Remember, it fell into the backwaters a few years ago?)
> >after Wellington Island in Cochin. (What is the other end point for
this
> >train?)
> This initially was between Bangalore and cochin. Then this was
extended
upto
> Cape. So this is now the 6525/6526 B'lore-Cape Exp. Now another train
runs
> between SBC and Quilon. Both these trains run via the new
> SBC-Hosur-Dharmapuri-Salem route.
>
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:27:47 -0500
Dear Raymond,
I had sent a mail to the list about the Minar - Konark - Hussainsagar
story - maybe last year, but can't seen to find the mail archive.
Uptil mid 1993 the Minar Superfast 2101/2102 used to run BBVT d 2155
SC a 1215. Later the time was slightly modified since the Minar
perpetually
arrived late and arrival rescheduled for 1315. From Pune to Waltair,
three
coaches were attached to the train As rightly mentioned, the same rake
was
used for the Konark superfast SC d 1340
The "superfast tag" was removed since the railways could not run the
train
on time much of the time - apart from the fact thet the ralways in those
days were retaining/assigning superfast tags only to genuine superfast
trains.
(That was when Indrayani, Pragati, Netravati, Kurla-Bangalore lost the
superfast status)
Since the Minar had insufficient capacity to service the twin cities
(since
the rake went all the way to BBS and some berths were allted for the
entire
stretch), the Hussainsagar was introduced to depart late at night from
BBVT
twice a week to meet additional capacity requirement.
A few months later, a decision was made to extend the Konark to BBVT.
Thus the Hussainsagar was made a daily train running on the time slot of
the
Minar, and the Konark was given the time slot of the Hussainsagar till
SC.
(It was definitely a sad day to seen the famed Minar Superfast removed
like
that)
There were a few changes like the Konark was made to depart ex CSTM at
1120
am and recently revised to its current timing of 1510.
I dont think that IR really worries much about people travelling from
in-between stations since quotas are established now.
Rajan
----- Original Message -----
From: <raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
To: <sundar@spyring.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email <shankie@emirates.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
> Dear Sundar,
>
> The Minar and Konark Expresses were basically the same train with a
board
change
> at Secunderabad. Both started off being superfast, then just the
Konark
became
> non-SF, then after a couple of years the Minar followed suit.
>
> The Minar's new avatar is the Hussain Sagar Express, while the Konark
is
now a
> strictly CSTM BBS train, with the Railways trying their best to make
the
timings
> at SC as inconvenient as possible.
> Actually, all those Vasai Road - Diva passing trains also try their
best
at
> inconvenient timings so that they do not take on too many Mumbaikars
!!!.
Do any
> other cases come to mind about inconvenient timings at intermediate
important
> stations.
> Regards
> Raymond
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: My IR pictures website
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:27:49 -0500
Dear Gang,
My comments on the "Konkan Star Express"
The above term was used in the Railway Budget Speech of Minister Nitish
Kumar in Feb 99 who wished to highlight the specific train which was to
be
introduced on the KR.
The KR themselves planned a special day train for Goa bound tourists and
passengers and gave it this name.
The train in question is actually the 0103/0104 Mumbai Madgaon Intercity
Express which has recently been renamed the "Mandavi" Express
I wonder what is the correct spelling for this name - what i have just
written is printed on my ticket for journey in two weeks time ...
Rajan
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Continuing on train names..
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:27:57 -0500
Dear Vijay,
Some points from my side ....
> Chennai - Coimbatore Kovai Exp.
Kovai is the Tamil version name for Coimbatore
> Howrah-Secunderabad Falaknuma Exp.
The Falaknuma palace is located in the SE of the city - there is also a
local SCR station by the same name which is a local for the suburban
rail
there.
> Amritsar-Nanded Sachchkhand Exp.
Introduced as a train between two Sikh centres of pilgrimage
> Mumbai Central-Ahmadabad Karnavati Exp. after the Karnavati temple in
Ahmadabad
Karnavati is the other name for the city.
> Mumbai-Nizamuddin August Kranti Exp.
Commemoration of 50 years of Quit India movement in originally in 1942
The train was introduced on 15 Aug 1992
Bandra-Indore Avantika Exp.
Now runs from Mumbai Central ....
Bandra-Vadodara Sayaji Nagri Exp.
Named after the ruling princely family of Baroda - Maharaj Sayajirao
> Darbhanga-Delhi Shaheed Exp.
> shaheed refers to soldiers who gave their lives for the country.
Anything
> to do with Gorakhpur, the original terminus for this train?
I think the Shaheed Express was a New Delhi - LKO superfast originally
???
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0500
I think that Dativali is already a proper station with high platform - i
did
observe recently however that signalling is controlled from Diva
Rajan
----- Original Message -----
From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <sundar@spyring.email
To: <lwebber@planetmail.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
> Diva could soon lose its exalted status as a great fan-out junction
when
> Dativali is realized as a station.
>
> Regards
>
> Sundar
>
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:28:01 -0500
Dear Gang,
This brings us not only to liveries but also rake maintainance.
The Dadar Amritsar epress has its entire rake composed of the coaches
with
new livery.
Select coaches of various trains like Gitanjali, Pushpak, DR Chennai,
are
also in this livery. One rake of the Mumbai - Madgaon Mandavi Intercity
Exp
also has these colours.
Central Railways have recently been quite efficient in maintaining the
trains as I have seen regularly the Deccan Express get a good Soap-Water
wash at CSTM shortly after arrival. All Mumbai based CR trains are well
kept - Punjab Mail, DR Chennai, Pushpak, DR Amritsar, DR - GKP,
Kanniyakumari Exp, Konark, Mahalaxmi to name a few ....
Trains from SE like Gitanjali & HWH-CSTM mail are also better kept with
new
coaches ... till recently some of the coaches looked pathetic.
Konkan Railway trains unfortunately don't seen to get washed in Madgaon
- or
is it the effect of diesels & tunnels.
Southern Railway trains - CSTM-MAS mail and express are really badly
maintaine and so are the ERS based Netravati Express and Mangala Express
-
Infact there have recently been an number of letters in the press on
complaints related coaches and cleanliness of these trains ....
NE and NEF trains look pathetic going by the look of the DR GHY exp and
the
PAVAN exp (LTT to Muzzaffarpur/Darbhanga)
I did MAS - HYB on the 2759 on 13th and met the SC bound Narayandri
Express
at Gudur with the Dark blue lightblue livery.
The 2759 was hauled by a WAP4 and was with 24 coaches ....
and reached 15 minutes early into SC on the 14th morning (on PF2) ....
Anand --- were you on the same train !!!!!
That morning - during the 25 minute wait for the train to leave SC for
HYB
I managed to spot near platform 7 a 3 coach DHMU - probably on the SC -
Falaknuma run
Also spotted a WDP2 on PF 7 or 8
Rajan
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: train numbers -- Konkan railway
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:28:01 -0500
KR is a separate entity and the numbers are always preceded by KR.
KR trains with 4 digit codes are those which are express trains and have
to
be linked up to the PRS for reservation.
0111 / 0112 - Konkan Kanya Exp
1113 / 1114 - DR - RN Passenger - also known as KR 3 / KR 4
0103 / 0104 - Mandavi Express
0021 / 0022 - former Madgaon - Mangalore Intercity Express which has
been
removed from operation.
The other trains have a more simple numbering. The latest CR tt has the
train details mentioned
Rajan
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:28:02 -0500
> > I suggest that maybe if the Bombay members of the gang could meet
....
and
> > if it is an extraordinary meeting, Appu and folks from Pune could
join
in
> > .... lets see what can be worked out. Am looking for company for
"Active
> > Train Spotting"
>
> Hi Rajan,
>
> I am game. Lets meet first & decide the spot.
>
> Viraf
>
Lets meet .... I'm working a 9 to 6 routine in Fort .... we could meet
after
that at a convenient point ..
Rajan
Res Tel - 522 3415
Pager - 9624 291920
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>
Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness
Date: 20 Sep 1999 12:02:51 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rajan Mathew [SMTP:rajanmathew@telebot.email
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 2:28 PM
> To: shankie@emirates.email Anand Krishnan
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness
>
> Dear Gang,
>
> This brings us not only to liveries but also rake maintainance.
> The Dadar Amritsar epress has its entire rake composed of the coaches
with
> new livery.
> Select coaches of various trains like Gitanjali, Pushpak, DR Chennai,
are
> also in this livery. One rake of the Mumbai - Madgaon Mandavi
Intercity
> Exp
> also has these colours.
>
What livery are you referring to? Is this the same as DQ, Pragati, ...
> I did MAS - HYB on the 2759 on 13th and met the SC bound Narayandri
> Express
> at Gudur with the Dark blue lightblue livery.
> The 2759 was hauled by a WAP4 and was with 24 coaches ....
> and reached 15 minutes early into SC on the 14th morning (on PF2) ....
>
What is the exact combination - color above/at/below windows. Any
stripes?
Thanks
Vijay
From: Scobie Smith (Comforce) <>
Subject: help with IIS (?)
Date: 20 Sep 1999 14:15:02 -0500
I was referred to you by the ITG help desk. I have a question/problem setting up IIS to take CGI scripts -- can you give any insight? If you are not the people to ask -- sorry for the intrusion!
I have IIS 5.0 beta on Win2000 build 2128. I accepted the default web site that IIS gives. The Scripts directory is enabled for Execute and Scripts. It will run my simple hello.asp page residing there. So far so good.
I want to add CGI with Perl. So, I added the App Mapping for .pl to my Perl5, which is installed and runs fine. I mapped .pl to Perl in Windows as well. My test.pl script thus runs fine with a double-click in Windows. However, when I try to run it from the site (in the browser), it delays and then gives a CGI timeout error. The log gives an error code of 502 ("Bad Gateway").
Thanks,
Scobie Smith
IIT/NLG
From: Shanku Niyogi <>
Subject: IR clipart page
Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:33:57 -0500
Folks,
In my ongoing process, I have added several new images to my IR clipart
page. These include:
- two new WDM2s, in SR livery
- WDS6 shunter (in yellow and green)
- WAM2s in green and blue varieties
- four WAM4s (various colors)
- WAP3 in Shatabdi blue
P.S. I really need scale drawings of other rolling stock, including
passenger and freight cars. If anyone has any small scale drawings, or
would
be willing to create some and send them to me, I'd really appreciate it.
Drawings only have to be simple line drawings (no shading required), as
long
as they are to scale.
From: S.Shankar <>
Subject: Re: IR clipart page
Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:36:02 -0500
Hello Shanku,
I had the url to your clipart page on the links page of my superrailway
site, and I had a good look at them.
The list is pretty interesting now.
How about inverting some of the diesels, instead of having them all
facing the same direction? When your do your animation, it will be that
much easier for you to do double headed trains (with the engines coupled
long hood to long hood), or show some long hood leading engines for a
change.
Line drawings of some more engines can be found in Daboo's book. I can
scan them for you if you wish, but you may not be able to work on/edit
the scanned images unless you have the requisite software.
THere is a YDM/1 line drawing in the following site (found on my links
page) under 'research', but it seem to be a rough drawing, not to scale.
<A HREF="http://www.gtmach.demon.co.uk/frame.html">http://www.gtmach.demon.co.uk/frame.html</A>
Cheers.
Shankar
Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> In my ongoing process, I have added several new images to my IR
clipart
> page. These include:
>
> - two new WDM2s, in SR livery
> - WDS6 shunter (in yellow and green)
> - WAM2s in green and blue varieties
> - four WAM4s (various colors)
> - WAP3 in Shatabdi blue
>
> P.S. I really need scale drawings of other rolling stock, including
> passenger and freight cars. If anyone has any small scale drawings, or
would
> be willing to create some and send them to me, I'd really appreciate
it.
> Drawings only have to be simple line drawings (no shading required),
as long
> as they are to scale.
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel
Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:43:30 -0500
Give me a few days and I will send a detailed reply related to the same
....
I will be using my various sources to complie information
My revised pages is under preparation ... but what i will do is launch a
part of it with the new info included so that all those planning a trip
soon
will benefit .... look out in a few days ....
Rajan
----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:57 PM
Subject: Hints required on KR travel
> Rajan,
>
> I need hints on travel on the KR. Starting from Diva onwards, what are
the
sight
> to watch out for and on which side of the train,which sections are
okay to
nap
> on, availability of food etc.
> Sarosh is booked on the 7th Nov and I am on 8th Nov by the 103 Dn.
Mandovi
> Express. So a guided tour of the route would be welcome.
> Elaborate the location of the tunnels, bridges and ghat sections (if
possible
> with Kms numbers)
>
> Apurva
>
>
> Rajan Mathew wrote:
>
> > Hope that passenger traffic commences up the Braganza Ghat by then
...
> > Rajan
> >
> > > Goa Express does not touch the state of Goa yet. Only after the
Briganza
> > ghat is
> > > opened for passenger traffic. That date is still very uncertain.
> >
> > > I am going to Goa during Nov by 103 Mandovi Express (CSTM - MAO
intercity)
> > and
> > > returning by 2779 Goa Express (from Londa to Pune). I would find
out
the
> > details first
> > > hand then.
> > > Apurva
>
From: Rajan Mathew <>
Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel
Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:52:57 -0500
Sarosh - let me know about the booklet of info you got from KR,
It may be the same thing which I may put up shortly
since i was able to scan some material and postcard pix very recently
Rajan
----- Original Message -----
From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
To: Karthik Giddu <gidduk@vsnl.email S.SRINIVAS
<asconsri@bgl.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email <iti@vsnl.email <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel
> > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:56:04 +0530
> > From: "S.SRINIVAS" <asconsri@bgl.email
> > To: Karthik Giddu <gidduk@vsnl.email
> > Cc: irfca@cs.email iti@vsnl.email
rajanmathew@telebot.email
> > Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel
>
> > hello every body
> >
> > i agree with karthik's suggestion. let us plan out a day journey
between
mangalore
> > (kankanadi)
> > and diva or panvel (or whichever point nearabout mumbai). i suppose
the
nizamuddin- TVC
> > rajdhani is best suited for such a daytime ride. either way. so let
us
hear from you all
> > about
> > possible dates for such a ride. planning at least one month in
advance
will be good.
> >
> > as for apurva's travel plans, firstly, he will be travelling only
about
half of the
> > section.
> > so also rajan and sarosh. will they be covering all those jazzy
bridges
/ viaducts /
> > tunnels
> > or will they be missing some of it.
> >
> > the data apurva wants can be obtained from the service time table -
if
KR has produced
> > such a document. normally, this service time table is published (for
use
by operational
> > staff only) by each division of the zonal railway. can any one lay a
hand on it.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > S. SRINIVAS
> >
> > Karthik Giddu wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Why not all irfca members go to Konkan Railway like the trip to
Wakener?. I proposed
> > > about the same 2 months back.
> > > What everyone has to say.!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > Karthik
> > >
> > > Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rajan,
> > > >
> > > > I need hints on travel on the KR. Starting from Diva onwards,
what
are the sight
> > > > to watch out for and on which side of the train,which sections
are
okay to nap
> > > > on, availability of food etc.
> > > > Sarosh is booked on the 7th Nov and I am on 8th Nov by the 103
Dn.
Mandovi
> > > > Express. So a guided tour of the route would be welcome.
> > > > Elaborate the location of the tunnels, bridges and ghat sections
(if
possible
> > > > with Kms numbers)
> > > >
> > > > Apurva
> > > >
> Hi, Gang,
>
> I have read so much about the KR travel of Appu and self; it has
> become a glorified affair!
>
> Now, the 0103 Mandovi Express departs at 0515 hrs (if the schedule is
> strictly adhered to) from Mumbai CST and arrives at Madgaon at 1620
> hrs. As it is a total daytime journey I have, in consultation with my
> wife (ofcourse!), booked seats in the ordinary second class. This
> will give me complete freedom to move about and shoot as per
> convenience! Appu, I hope you too have done a similar booking. Yes,
> this train is equipped with a full-fledged pantry car, so no problem
> where 'pate-pooja' is concerned.
>
> Viraf and I have to propose a considered opinion. Travelling on the
> KR by Rajdhani is a complete no-no. Guys, you will be in sort of
> straight-jacket. Foot boarding is out of the question as the TCs are
> strict on these trains. This goes for the Shatabdi, too. Both of us
> have travelled by these trains on the WR and have experienced these
> situations. Then whats the fun in gazing at the splendid countryside
> through tinted glasses! Might as well sit at home.
>
> As far as the statistics of the route are concerned, I have with me a
> colourful booklet alongwith some pics (picture postcards, actually)
> courtesy the KRC! The booklet has complete statistical information
> which I shall divulge shortly. But well before in time of our travel,
> thats for you, Appu. Today,I am collecting my return tkts which is on
> November 17th. Hope to hop over to Vasco yards far a glimpse of WGD4.
>
> Sarosh.
>
From: S.B.Mehta <>
Subject: Re: My IR pictures website
Date: 20 Sep 1999 21:57:17 -0500
> The train in question is actually the 0103/0104 Mumbai Madgaon
Intercity
> Express which has recently been renamed the "Mandavi" Express
> I wonder what is the correct spelling for this name - what i have just
> written is printed on my ticket for journey in two weeks time ...
>
> Rajan
The correct spelling is MANDOVI after the river of the same name
which cuts through the city of Panjim (Panaji) and meets the Arabian
Sea.
Sarosh
From: Anthony McIlwain <>
Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments
Date: 20 Sep 1999 23:07:28 -0500
I travelled in the composite ACC1/AC Chair on the Darjeeling Mail from
Sealdah to New Jalpaiguri in December 1991. The ACC1 Coupe was fitted
with
a 2 pin socket. Using an adaptor plug, I connected an immerser
(basically,
an electric element for heating water/liquids) which I had purchased in
Australia, and which was designed for the Australian 240v system, to
boil up
a cup of water for coffee. It worked! I assume therefore that the
power to
the socket was the Indian 220v-230v standard. Mind you, next morning it
wouldn't repeat the performance! This train, however, did not have a
generator car, so power was presumably derived from axle-driven
generators
and battery storage. I may have depleted the batteries with my first
effort!
Regards, Tony McIlwain
>From: lwebber@planetmail.email
>To: irfca@cs.email
>CC: iti@vsnl.email
>Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
>
> >All IR AC passenger coaches(new) use 110 V DC
> >but there is no provision of a user's socket.
> >As far as I know, only the palace on Wheels and Royal >Orient have
got
>110 V AC sockets for shavers.
> >Harsh
>
>This is REALLY bad news for him, as the device needs AC (105V-250V).
>Rigging something up to tap into a 110V light line was no problem - but
no
>use if it is DC. Converting DC to AC is impractical.
>
>
>Anyone?
>
>:(
>
>
>Regards to all
>
>L Webber
>
>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments
Date: 21 Sep 1999 00:51:02 -0500
> It worked! I assume therefore that the power to
> the socket was the Indian 220v-230v standard. Mind you, next morning
it
> wouldn't repeat the performance!
Could you figure out what failed in the end ? The supply at the socket
or the
'immerser' ? AFAIK you are talking about a small immersion heater coil,
now that
works well with an AC or a DC supply, also a coil meant for 230 V would
work at 110
V but provide much lesser heat. The equipment in Larry's query is an
expensive
biomedical equipment with plethora of motors etc. The downloadable pdf
file of
instruction is over 1 Mb !
My guess is that the auxiliary breaker in the coach opened with the
heavy load of
the heater.
Apurva
From: Anne Ogborn <>
Subject: Re: Blue Flag in the USA was Danger Signs et al
Date: 21 Sep 1999 01:17:26 -0500
When I commuted on CalTrain, they always blue flagged the rakes,
even if they were merely going to attach the ground-based electrical
power.
This is a very strict rule.
--
Anniepoo
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