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From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Date: 01 Jul 1999 21:17:43 -0500
On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Viral Desai wrote:
> Check this article from Mid-day newspaper.Makes you wonder .
>
>
> Mumbai, 1 Jul A MID-DAY photographer was brutally beaten up by the
Kalyan
railway police yesterday night.
Prashant Nakwe and Indian Express photographer Deepak Joshi got off at
Kalyan
station on their way home at around 11.30 pm yesterday.
The atrocity of the cops did not stop with this. The photographers were
taken
to the railway police station and beaten up again. They were then put in
the
railway lock up and were released at 4 am today.
''They did not give us a chance to speak. Even before we could tell them
why
we were taking pictures, they started hitting us,'' says Nakwe.
While the two were being beaten up, people thronged to see the
spectacle. In
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fact, while they were being bashed up inside the police station, people
^^^^^^
climbed on to the windows to see them being abused, kicked and beaten
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
up.
This is, a very common site , whenever the RPF takes action on someone.
In
this case it was poor press photographers , who were suffering , just
because they were bringing up the issue of the very onlookers for the
next
day edition. No one from the crowd had the guts to come forward & ask
as
to why this brutality against the duo. This has to change. The masses
should be made aware of their rights. They infact should be brought
together. As in the past, now also, the rule is divide & rule. If one
fellow could have managed to voice his concern, may be few more & more
&
more would have joined him .But these days someone must take initiative.
Or else the Chalta Hai rule will prevail. Everyone thinks about his own.
The system too is like that, if you get involved in these matters , may
be
you too are made scapegoat. It's bad circle of sorts.
Shrinivas
From: Vdate <>
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Date: 01 Jul 1999 21:59:25 -0500
In a message dated 7/1/99 9:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
smg@godrej.email
writes:
<< No one from the crowd had the guts to come forward & ask as
to why this brutality against the duo. This has to change. >>
All is not lost yet. Perhaps the witnesses, who saw Driver Gopalan
attacked
and the witnesses who saw the attack against the press photographers,
could
come forward. Only if they would know who is holding the inquiry.
From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Date: 01 Jul 1999 22:24:03 -0500
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 Vdate@aol.email wrote:
> << No one from the crowd had the guts to come forward & ask as
> to why this brutality against the duo. This has to change. >>
> All is not lost yet. Perhaps the witnesses, who saw Driver Gopalan
attacked
> and the witnesses who saw the attack against the press photographers,
could
> come forward. Only if they would know who is holding the inquiry.
In this land ,All these are false hopes, Forget the witnesses, they
will be threatened or from some past experience & won't come forward. If
anything has to happen should happen on the spot.
I have few of my own experiences but in other aspects than what our
group
interests are. So, not discussing them here. But that's the general
tendency back here.
Shrinivas
From: Anne Ogborn <>
Subject: Re: makke ki roti
Date: 01 Jul 1999 22:57:39 -0500
Shrinivas -
I guess I figured it wouldn't look like what you get with beans 'round
these
parts, but thanks for the clarification.
Now I have to try making some.
--
Anniepoo
Need loco motors?
<A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
From: Anne Ogborn <>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage]
Date: 01 Jul 1999 23:16:20 -0500
whether there are one or several roundhouses in India, they certainly
seem
less frequent than in the US. I'm suprised by this, given that
the conventional explanations for preferring them are all steam
related -
the need to turn steam engines
the need to have access to the cylinders and smokebox, hence more room
around the
front of engine
--
Anniepoo
Need loco motors?
<A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>
Subject: telebooking (resending)
Date: 01 Jul 1999 23:22:18 -0500
Our mailer lost most of the outgoing emails over the last one week.
I don't know if you received this mail. If you did, please ignore it.
I am resending all my mails of last one week. I am sorry if this is
a duplicate email.
-dheeraj
---------
>From dheeraj Thu Jul 1 00:43:52 1999
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: telebooking.
Yesterday, Railway Minister inaugrated tele-booking facility.
The idea is that you can reserve your ticket by making a
phone call. No, this is not for general public. But only if
you have the Rail Credit Card. (Visa card issued by Standard
Chartered bank, co-branded with IR.) Pay an annual fee of
Rs 800. The ticket will be charged to your credit card, and
there will be a service charge of Rs 50. You can pick up your
tickets from a special counter on the station. (Which means
that this would be possible only from a handful of stations.)
I like any such additional facility, since today it is
for Standard Chartered visa, tomorrow it may be opened
for SBI visa, and then to other travel agents, and so on.
One day I will be able to book tickets from my PC.
-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Mysore site working !
Date: 02 Jul 1999 00:47:16 -0500
Gang !
Tripod seems to have deleted my iloverails account. So I have
reuploaded the Mysore stuff on a different account. Try it
now.
Go to:
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
Apurva
From: Shankar <>
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Date: 02 Jul 1999 00:57:08 -0500
Hello,
My heartfelt sympathies go out first and foremost to that poor motorman
who lost his eye simply for doing his duty, and also to the two poor
photographers.
IT speaks volumes for a frustrated, sick and mindless society.
The motorman's assault is of course inexcusable, and should be condemned
in the strongest possible terms.
The over-reaction and high-handedness at the lensmen taking pictures is
also of course worthy of outright condemnation. Such things can never
happen in a civilized society.
But the overall ire at press photographers could by due to their
unpleasant habit of sensationalizing events, making events appear in
bold,black letters in the next day's papers. The press, in India, and
overseas as well (remember the paparazzi that let to Diana's death
(bless her soul)) are always out to 'expose' something, in the public
opinion.
While the assault can definitely not be condoned, the overall resistance
to pressmen as a whole is due to this.
Which again brings me to what I had always maintained: flash is a no-no,
generally use an instantly pocketable compact that can disappear into
the depths of your pocket at short notice.(Appu's daring photographic
ventures in loco sheds notwithstanding. I really salute you for that,
Appu).
Of course, one cannot expect press photographers to work with tiny
instantly pocketable compacts, but a little restraint is always called
for, along with a non-confrontational approach.
But yes, thats one of the risks in press photography.Pointing a camera
in sensitive and tension-filled locations is asking for trouble.
Crooked cops fearing exposure (intended pun) might have added fuel to
the fire, as mentioned.
Let us hope better sense prevails in the minds of all concerned.
Best regards.
Shankar
Let us hope better sense will prevail in the minds of all concerned.
Viral Desai wrote:
>
> Check this article from Mid-day newspaper.Makes you wonder .
>
>
> Mumbai, 1 Jul A MID-DAY photographer was brutally beaten up by the
> Kalyan railway police yesterday night.
>
> Prashant Nakwe and Indian Express photographer Deepak Joshi got off at
> Kalyan station on their way home at around 11.30 pm yesterday.
>
> Seeing a long queue of people on the platform, they thought it was due
> to the problem along the Central line yesterday morning. While they
> were clicking photographs of the scene, two plainclothes policemen
> walked up to them and asked them what they were doing.
>
> When Nakwe replied he was a MID-DAY photographer, one cop grabbed his
> camera bag and started bashing him up. The other grabbed Joshi and
> started manhandling him.
>
> Nakwe was seriously injured in the incident. His right eye is swollen
> badly and has bruises and swelling all over his body. His camera was
> badly smashed and his lens broken into three pieces.
>
> The atrocity of the cops did not stop with this. The photographers
> were taken to the railway police station and beaten up again. They
> were then put in the railway lock up and were released at 4 am today.
>
> ??They did not give us a chance to speak. Even before we could tell
> them why we were taking pictures, they started hitting us,?? says
> Nakwe.
>
> While the two were being beaten up, people thronged to see the
> spectacle. In fact, while they were being bashed up inside the police
> station, people climbed on to the windows to see them being abused,
> kicked and beaten up.
>
> The two were alleged booked for ??creating a commotion on the railway
> platform??. Nowhere was it mentioned that they were taking pictures.
>
> Sources say the policemen were irked because the line was for
> outstation booking, where black-marketeers allegedly work in cohorts
> with the railway police. ??Out of fear that the two were taking
> pictures to expose the racket, the cops may have beat up these two,?
> they say.
>
> Meanwhile, the Kalyan railway police are not willing to speak on the
> iisue. ??Why do you want to write about it? It will unnecessarily blow
> up the whole issue. Just forget the thing ever happened,?? said a
> railway official
From: Shankar <>
Subject: Re: makke ki roti
Date: 02 Jul 1999 00:57:33 -0500
Hello,
WHile not strictly a railway subject, while on the topic of rotis, I
might also mention baajri rotis and jowari rotis.
Baajri rotis (called bhaakar in the local lingo Marathi) are the poor
man's staple in rural Maharashtra: one or one and a half large rotis
with a little vegetable is enough to keep the poor souls going all day.
The poor man's meal is a novelty for us city folk, and crowds throng
various eateries (a large one used to be opposite VT) to partake in the
incredibly cheap and 100% filling meal of 'zunkaa bhakar': baajri roti
with a basic vegetable dish.
I've tasted baajri roti (bhaakar) with pithley (groundnut flour paste
with mild seasoning and fried) atop the Sinhagad hill in Poona.
On another note, an Andhra speciality (I'm not sure, it might be from
elsewhere up North to all I know) is poories made from refined 'maida'
flour. These are called 'loochhies'. I've read somewhere about a railway
station that serves up terrific loochhies with vegetable, I cannot
remember which, which explains why I haven't posted it before.
Best regards.
Shankar
Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> Shrinivas -
> I guess I figured it wouldn't look like what you get with beans
'round these
> parts, but thanks for the clarification.
>
> Now I have to try making some.
>
> --
> Anniepoo
> Need loco motors?
> <A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
From: Shankar <>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage]
Date: 02 Jul 1999 00:57:40 -0500
Hello,
Thank you very much, Annie.
Best regards.
Shankar
Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> whether there are one or several roundhouses in India, they certainly
seem
> less frequent than in the US. I'm suprised by this, given that
> the conventional explanations for preferring them are all steam
> related -
> the need to turn steam engines
> the need to have access to the cylinders and smokebox, hence more room
around the
> front of engine
>
> --
> Anniepoo
> Need loco motors?
> <A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
From: Dr. M S M Saifullah <>
Subject: Re: makke ki roti
Date: 02 Jul 1999 02:01:05 -0500
At 4:57 pm +0900 2/7/99, Shankar wrote:
Hello Shankie:
>On another note, an Andhra speciality (I'm not sure, it might be from
>elsewhere up North to all I know) is poories made from refined 'maida'
>flour. These are called 'loochhies'. I've read somewhere about a
railway
>station that serves up terrific loochhies with vegetable, I cannot
>remember which, which explains why I haven't posted it before.
The 'loochi' as far as I know is a Bengali term for Pooris. Never heard
of
it in Telugu. In Kharagpur, the loochiwalas throng at the unreserved
compartments of MAS bound Coromandel Express and often pick-up fights
with
the poor pantry workers who come to take the food 'order'.
By the way, Coromandel Express has one of the best pantry cars that I
have
come across on HWH-VSKP-BZA-MAS route. The train itself is neat and
clean
as well as well maintained. The nuisance of unreserved travellers is
less
from HWH since all the tickets are issued to VSKP and stops further than
that. Anyone holding tickets to CTC, BBSR and Berhampur (Ganjam Dst.)
are
severely penalised and their ticket is extended till VSKP. VSKP is about
880kms from HWH.
The 'loochis' at KGP are served with unpeeled and steaming potato curry.
They taste good.
Saifullah
From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: Horn on a stationary and moving locomotive
Date: 02 Jul 1999 02:26:07 -0500
> What you hear is haaaaaaa haaaaaa pooooom, haaaa poooom,poooooom,
poooom
> haaaaaa haaaaaa, haaaaa pooooom
> and then the twin blast in a long sequence.
When a popular Mumbai driver retires, the passengers leave the station
with their
fingers in their ears. Such is the volume of celebratory honking by the
hordes of
railwaymen and drivers who accompany the driver on his farewell trip.
The last
trip is always on the Deccan Queen to Pune and then the same driver
takes the DQ
back to Mumbai in the morning. There are functions and feasts (mutton
curry and
rice, with helpings of that offensive strong liquid - ofcourse the
drivers on
duty do not drink at that time) in Pune and Mumbai.
> The WCMs had very pleasant two tone horns, which sounded distinctly
> shriller than those on the WAMs, or even the WCGs. Some of the drivers
> on the Bombay-Poona line very ace musicians, so so it seems. Poona can
> get quite cold in winter, the air is dense, and you can hear trains
> quite far from the lineside. On still mornings or in the dead of
night,
> you can even hear the hum of the engine some 2 km away (like I used to
> from my home in Model Colony, which is over 2km from the line).
If you are in Model Colony, then I am on Prabhat Road (which is further
away) and
I can (I think I can) hear even the dynamic blowers of a passing WDM 2
slowing
down at the Shivaji Nagar down home signal . It is the cold dense air of
Pune and
the geographic effect of the Fergusson hill that channels the sound so
far. There
is a Puneri folklore that the lions can be heard roaring in Peshwe park
as well.
BTW Peshwe park (the main zoo in Pune) has a cruel little toy train
(Fulrani -
Queen of Flowers) which runs loudly over the animals cages. This is the
only
place I wish a train would NOT run. Fulrani takes children and adults as
well (?)
on a small spin of the zoo. I have done this all my childhood, and maybe
my love
for railways started there, but today I have a strong love for animals
too.
> If one concentrates, one can hear WCM drivers making real music with
> their horns.
> Rather than a monotonous pooooooom or haaaa, we used to hear
> haaaaa pooooo pooooo haaaa pooooo
> or things like that!
Also Poo Poo _ poo poo poo ! The last three poos are in the same time
as the
earlier two poos.
I have noticed that in a WCG 2, which has two long levers for the two
horns above
that cab only, (must be true for WAM 4s and WAG 5s as well) that when
the driver
operates the horns, the assistant's levers rise somewhat as well, due to
the air
pressure in that line.
I guess all the railway enthusiasts make horn sounds, engine noises,
other such
as the dynamic brakes and general humming and spinning sounds when alone
and
driving on the roads. I repeat the traffic signals in the railway
language
(diversion, caution etc) - Once the signal turned green and I said
'Right to
proceed', the driver sitting next to me actually turned to the right !
> Actually, the WDM/2 has two types of horns: a rather mild 'front'
horn,
> and a real blaster, the 'rear' horn. (Appu, correct me if I'm wrong,
> maybe its the other way round).
No, the WDM 2 has identical horns with two trumpets in the long hood and
short
hood. Now a days all WDM 2 horns are being moved to the cab roof to
reduce the
loud blast right next to the driver's ears. The 'load side' horn is
worked to
attract the attention of the guard during starting of a train and as
both the
horn buttons are present on both the driving stands. As the loco is dead
during
service sometimes the air pipes are hooked reversed on to the control
stand.
The really dangerous horns are the ones on the long hood of the Jumbo
variant of
the WDM 2. When the assistant exchanges flags at start, the horn trumpet
is right
next to his ears.
Like Shankar said, only the two trumpet horns sound great, the single
trumpet YDM
4, WDS 4, ZDM 4 sound plain and dull. Dual trumpet horns sound plush,
rich and
satisfying.
Apurva
From: Shankar <>
Subject: Re: makke ki roti
Date: 02 Jul 1999 02:44:20 -0500
Hello Dr. Saifullah,
Ah yes.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Best regards.
Shankar
Dr. M S M Saifullah wrote:
>
> At 4:57 pm +0900 2/7/99, Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello Shankie:
>
> >On another note, an Andhra speciality (I'm not sure, it might be from
> >elsewhere up North to all I know) is poories made from refined
'maida'
> >flour. These are called 'loochhies'. I've read somewhere about a
railway
> >station that serves up terrific loochhies with vegetable, I cannot
> >remember which, which explains why I haven't posted it before.
>
> The 'loochi' as far as I know is a Bengali term for Pooris. Never
heard of
> it in Telugu. In Kharagpur, the loochiwalas throng at the unreserved
> compartments of MAS bound Coromandel Express and often pick-up fights
with
> the poor pantry workers who come to take the food 'order'.
>
> By the way, Coromandel Express has one of the best pantry cars that I
have
> come across on HWH-VSKP-BZA-MAS route. The train itself is neat and
clean
> as well as well maintained. The nuisance of unreserved travellers is
less
> from HWH since all the tickets are issued to VSKP and stops further
than
> that. Anyone holding tickets to CTC, BBSR and Berhampur (Ganjam Dst.)
are
> severely penalised and their ticket is extended till VSKP. VSKP is
about
> 880kms from HWH.
>
> The 'loochis' at KGP are served with unpeeled and steaming potato
curry.
> They taste good.
>
> Saifullah
From: hvc <>
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Date: 02 Jul 1999 05:23:50 -0500
Hello Shankar and others,
I think that there is a
major
factor that we are overlooking here. I don't think the police chaps in
question realised that these were press photographers in the first place
when they started pounding then. If there is anything that the khaki is
shit
scared of, it is the press! Maybe they realised later but then they must
have also realised that it was too late as well so best try and browbeat
them into silence and submission.
I wonder what kind of `approach' dear Apurva would suggest for these
`lathi
toting' and `talking with the fists first' types? Though Iam a bit
surprised
that the place of the incidence is Kalyan(civilised western India).
Harsh
-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Viral Desai <anvir@bom5.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Risk of taking photography on railway property
>Hello,
>
>My heartfelt sympathies go out first and foremost to that poor motorman
>who lost his eye simply for doing his duty, and also to the two poor
>photographers.
>IT speaks volumes for a frustrated, sick and mindless society.
>
>The motorman's assault is of course inexcusable, and should be
condemned
>in the strongest possible terms.
>
>The over-reaction and high-handedness at the lensmen taking pictures is
>also of course worthy of outright condemnation. Such things can never
>happen in a civilized society.
>
>But the overall ire at press photographers could by due to their
>unpleasant habit of sensationalizing events, making events appear in
>bold,black letters in the next day's papers. The press, in India, and
>overseas as well (remember the paparazzi that let to Diana's death
>(bless her soul)) are always out to 'expose' something, in the public
>opinion.
>
>While the assault can definitely not be condoned, the overall
resistance
>to pressmen as a whole is due to this.
>
>Which again brings me to what I had always maintained: flash is a
no-no,
>generally use an instantly pocketable compact that can disappear into
>the depths of your pocket at short notice.(Appu's daring photographic
>ventures in loco sheds notwithstanding. I really salute you for that,
>Appu).
>
>Of course, one cannot expect press photographers to work with tiny
>instantly pocketable compacts, but a little restraint is always called
>for, along with a non-confrontational approach.
>
>But yes, thats one of the risks in press photography.Pointing a camera
>in sensitive and tension-filled locations is asking for trouble.
>
>Crooked cops fearing exposure (intended pun) might have added fuel to
>the fire, as mentioned.
>
>Let us hope better sense prevails in the minds of all concerned.
>
>Best regards.
>
>Shankar
>
>Let us hope better sense will prevail in the minds of all concerned.
>
>
>
>Viral Desai wrote:
>>
>> Check this article from Mid-day newspaper.Makes you wonder .
>>
>>
>> Mumbai, 1 Jul A MID-DAY photographer was brutally beaten up by the
>> Kalyan railway police yesterday night.
>>
>> Prashant Nakwe and Indian Express photographer Deepak Joshi got off
at
>> Kalyan station on their way home at around 11.30 pm yesterday.
>>
>> Seeing a long queue of people on the platform, they thought it was
due
>> to the problem along the Central line yesterday morning. While they
>> were clicking photographs of the scene, two plainclothes policemen
>> walked up to them and asked them what they were doing.
>>
>> When Nakwe replied he was a MID-DAY photographer, one cop grabbed his
>> camera bag and started bashing him up. The other grabbed Joshi and
>> started manhandling him.
>>
>> Nakwe was seriously injured in the incident. His right eye is swollen
>> badly and has bruises and swelling all over his body. His camera was
>> badly smashed and his lens broken into three pieces.
>>
>> The atrocity of the cops did not stop with this. The photographers
>> were taken to the railway police station and beaten up again. They
>> were then put in the railway lock up and were released at 4 am today.
>>
>> ??They did not give us a chance to speak. Even before we could tell
>> them why we were taking pictures, they started hitting us,?? says
>> Nakwe.
>>
>> While the two were being beaten up, people thronged to see the
>> spectacle. In fact, while they were being bashed up inside the police
>> station, people climbed on to the windows to see them being abused,
>> kicked and beaten up.
>>
>> The two were alleged booked for ??creating a commotion on the railway
>> platform??. Nowhere was it mentioned that they were taking pictures.
>>
>> Sources say the policemen were irked because the line was for
>> outstation booking, where black-marketeers allegedly work in cohorts
>> with the railway police. ??Out of fear that the two were taking
>> pictures to expose the racket, the cops may have beat up these two,?
>> they say.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the Kalyan railway police are not willing to speak on the
>> iisue. ??Why do you want to write about it? It will unnecessarily
blow
>> up the whole issue. Just forget the thing ever happened,?? said a
>> railway official
>
From: hvc <>
Subject: Re: makke ki roti
Date: 02 Jul 1999 05:43:11 -0500
>On another note, an Andhra speciality (I'm not sure, it might be from
>elsewhere up North to all I know) is poories made from refined 'maida'
>flour. These are called 'loochhies'. I've read somewhere about a
railway
>station that serves up terrific loochhies with vegetable, I cannot
>remember which, which explains why I haven't posted it before.
>
These are called `Bhaturas' and a other variety of names and are
available
everywhere in north, east, west and central India including
stations
as an alternate to `Poories'. Jhansi and Itarsi are two good places for
Bhatoora though I personally prefer the less oily poories.
Harsh
From: hvc <>
Subject: Re: Geometry and IR
Date: 02 Jul 1999 06:12:05 -0500
>> >Any way I don't think that a bend can be technically 360 degrees
also so
it
>> >is better to leave the degrees out of that.
>> >
>>
>> How about a spiral?
>>
>> Tony bailey
>
>For those not in the US, one of the most famous railfanning sites
>here is Tehachapi loop. At one point the track rises 200 ft by
>making a complete loop over itself by running around a small hill.
>Since the approach tracks on
>either end also curve around this hill, the whole "bend" is nearly 600
>degrees.
>
We have three of those on the DHR and one complete double loop. But for
the
the life of me I can't understand how it can be 360 degrees or more in
terms
of the
net angle traversed.
For me, 270 degrees is same as 90 degrees and 315 degrees is same as 45
degrees so the net angles can be only between 0 and 180 degrees(which is
a
straight line).
If we are talking about the loop radius, I can understand it but not
degrees.
Harsh
From: Sridhar Shankarnarayan <>
Subject: I'm out of here
Date: 02 Jul 1999 07:26:52 -0500
Folks,
I will be leaving today for home. Hope to make a few journeys and eat
some
decent food.
Will report back in a month or so. And start real work :-(
-Sridhar
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sridhar Shankar
GSB MBA'99
The University of Chicago
1616 E. 50th Place, Apt. 13A
Chicago, IL 60615
(773) 752 1131
From: Steven Brown <>
Subject: Re: photography and corruption
Date: 02 Jul 1999 10:13:15 -0500
It seems that this is a case of corrupt ticket sales and perhaps this is the reason for the police to be so camera shy. I think that most people are opposed to corruption and would like to find a way to stop it. So I am wondering: does the media have an effect on corruption? and can we influence the railways to crack down on corruption by exposing it?
I hope we will have some follow up reports on the situation in Kalyan station and the injured reporters.
Steve
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From: Viral Desai < anvir@bom5.email <mailto:anvir@bom5.email
To: irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:48 AM
Subject: Risk of taking photography on railway property
Check this article from Mid-day newspaper.Makes you wonder .
Mumbai, 1 Jul A MID-DAY photographer was brutally beaten up by the Kalyan railway police yesterday night.
Prashant Nakwe and Indian Express photographer Deepak Joshi got off at Kalyan station on their way home at around 11.30 pm yesterday.
Seeing a long queue of people on the platform, they thought it was due to the problem along the Central line yesterday morning. While they were clicking photographs of the scene, two plainclothes policemen walked up to them and asked them what they were doing.
When Nakwe replied he was a MID-DAY photographer, one cop grabbed his camera bag and started bashing him up. The other grabbed Joshi and started manhandling him.
Nakwe was seriously injured in the incident. His right eye is swollen badly and has bruises and swelling all over his body. His camera was badly smashed and his lens broken into three pieces.
The atrocity of the cops did not stop with this. The photographers were taken to the railway police station and beaten up again. They were then put in the railway lock up and were released at 4 am today.
They did not give us a chance to speak. Even before we could tell them why we were taking pictures, they started hitting us, says Nakwe.
While the two were being beaten up, people thronged to see the spectacle. In fact, while they were being bashed up inside the police station, people climbed on to the windows to see them being abused, kicked and beaten up.
The two were alleged booked for creating a commotion on the railway platform. Nowhere was it mentioned that they were taking pictures.
Sources say the policemen were irked because the line was for outstation booking, where black-marketeers allegedly work in cohorts with the railway police. Out of fear that the two were taking pictures to expose the racket, the cops may have beat up these two, they say.
Meanwhile, the Kalyan railway police are not willing to speak on the iisue. Why do you want to write about it? It will unnecessarily blow up the whole issue. Just forget the thing ever happened, said a railway official
From: Shankar <>
Subject: Re: I'm out of here
Date: 02 Jul 1999 11:12:23 -0500
Hi Sridhar,
Have a nice trip, and good luck to you.
Look forward to your posts and travelogs after you return.
Best regards.
Shankar
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> Folks,
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> I will be leaving today for home. Hope to make a few journeys and eat
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> decent food.
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> Will report back in a month or so. And start real work :-(
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> -Sridhar
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