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From: Suresh Mutuswami <>

Subject: Re: Shatabdi does a Indrayani?

Date: 30 Mar 1999 07:00:43 -0500


On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Are there separate Shatabdi's for KLK and CDG (don't have a NR tt at
hand) ?
> The newspapers mention that this rake was being shunted from KLK to
CDG. Are
> there C&W and TXR posts at both the stations ?
>
> Apurva
>

There do appear to be two separate Shatabadi's. The KLK Shatabdi is
2005
down/2006 up while the CDG one is 2011 down/2012 up.

Suresh

From: FyffesFL <>

Subject: Re: Earthquake

Date: 30 Mar 1999 07:11:55 -0500


U.S. media are reporting an earthquake in the Kumaon Hills, with
extensive
damage.
Has this affected any of the Hill railways ?

Regards to all

Richard Yudin

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: IR links

Date: 30 Mar 1999 14:17:05 -0500


Here are some IR links for your perusal:

<A HREF="http://www.iricen.com/">http://www.iricen.com/</A>

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9542/indian_railways.html">http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9542/indian_railways.html</A>

<A HREF="http://www.software.digital.com/rtr/htm_docs/railways.htm">http://www.software.digital.com/rtr/htm_docs/railways.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html</A>

<A HREF="http://gosouthasia.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa082398.htm">http://gosouthasia.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa082398.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.nic.in/indiabudget/es97/CHAP9.HTM#RAI">http://www.nic.in/indiabudget/es97/CHAP9.HTM#RAI</A>

<A HREF="http://www.barsyl.com/main.htm">http://www.barsyl.com/main.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.nic.in/indmin/rail.htm">http://www.nic.in/indmin/rail.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://maharashtra.allindia.com/chap304.html">http://maharashtra.allindia.com/chap304.html</A>

<A HREF="http://www.festrail.co.uk/news17.htm">http://www.festrail.co.uk/news17.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.ashokgroup.com/train.htm">http://www.ashokgroup.com/train.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://business.vsnl.com/cpmrems/cpmrems.html">http://business.vsnl.com/cpmrems/cpmrems.html</A>


Here is a extensive set of travel links (useful info. for the FAQ?)
<A HREF="http://www.khoj.com/travel/index.html">http://www.khoj.com/travel/index.html</A>


Vijay

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: IR links

Date: 30 Mar 1999 16:33:56 -0500


I scanned the headlines in Indian newspapers as reported in Khoj
website. Did
not find any report on railway damage in the earthquake.

From: D.G.Goswami <>

Subject: Tapti Ganga Exp.

Date: 30 Mar 1999 18:01:03 -0500


Hi Gang,
Some time back I had been to Varanasi by the Tapti Ganga
Exp.This train goes to Varanasi via Cheoki and does not touch
Allahabad.But
everyday there are about 100-150 passengers for Allahabad in it.The
problem
starts here.These passengers get down at Cheoki(Its on the outskirts of
Allahabad),cross the tracks(there is no platform) and board the
autoriks.When these people cross the tracks many superfasts like the
Brahmaputra Mail,Kalka Mail,Kurla-Patna Exp. and Purshottam Exp. pass
thru
Cheoki at around the same time(about 7 in the morning) at 90+speeds.On
that
very day when these 100-150 people were crossing the tracks the
Brahmaputra
Mail suddenly arrived at the spot (There's a turn on the Allahabad
side)at
90-100 kmph and they were caught unaware.At the same time Kurla-Patna
exp.came from the other side.On seeing the two trains coming on them at
speeds chaos prevailed.In the chaos one passenger left his luggage on
the
tracks and ran for his life .The Brahmaputra Mail ploughed thru his
luggage.
My coach attendant said that this tamasha was a daily
affair
at Cheoki.My point is that if there are so many passengers for
allahabad,
the TG exp.should touch allahabad.Whenever such a demand is raised the
Railways say that touching allahabad would increase the running time by
1-1.5 hours.I would say that taking the train to allahabad would be
viable
both from the safety point of view and from the commercial point of
view.Or
else someday someone would surely loose his life at Cheoki.


Chinmay Goswami,
Surat

From: Krishnan Anand <>

Subject: Virasat/Thevar Magan - YDM/YP

Date: 30 Mar 1999 19:29:53 -0500


Hi all,
The movie "Thevar Magan" which Apurva was mentioning was shot in
Chettinad area which is around 75-80 km South east of Trichy and near
Pollachi which is 45-50 km from Coimbatore. The scenes in that movie
depicted a YDM only. If i remember right it was a normal Red livery.

regds,
Anand

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Harsh Vardhan" <champa@del3.email
Reply-To: "Harsh Vardhan" <hvc@vsnl.email
To: "Apurva Bahadur" <iti@vsnl.email. S. Parthasarathy"
<partha@ifra.email <irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: Beautiful stations
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:32:37 +0530

Apurva,
The station is indeed fantastic(some branch line station in rural TN or
maybe just a special set!! Iam only guessing).

But it is not a terminus as you said and certainly there is no YP or any
other steam loco in that movie.

The reason for this second mail on this subject is :
I have just seen the movie again It has a few YDM 4(deep blue livery)
passings and a rather smoking one at the end. But It sure would have
looked
out of world with a steam locomotive.

Has anyone seen the original `Thevar magan' and can add anything to
this?
Did they use a steam loco there.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Dr. S. Parthasarathy <partha@ifra.email IRFCA
<irfca@cs.email
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 4:35 AM
Subject: Beautiful stations


>> Being from Pune himself (I guess) he is being modest about his own
>> station. The nice thing I remember about Pune Jn (I have visited
there
>> many a times) is that it is perhaps the only station I know which has
>> ramps and not overbridges with steps.
>
>One side has steps and other side a ramp, this must be quite a
>common feature in
>many stations is it not ? The ramp has caused many a nasty
>falls due to it steep
>downgradient, I am sure quite a few wheelchairs must have gone
>out of control.
>
>I'll be very keen to know the name of the sweet MG station
>that is shown at the end of the film 'Virasat'. The film
>itself was pure bullshit but the banyan treed terminus where a
>YP is shown moving a train which takes Anil Kapoor to jail is
>simply out of this
>world.
>
>
>



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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: News in the Indian Express

Date: 30 Mar 1999 22:56:32 -0500


Gang !

The news item in the Indian Express mentions that the IR is
collaborating with GM for modernizing the diesel locos. This
is consistent with the news that the WDG 4 are about to land
at Mumbai any day now and will be transported to Hubli.
They also mention that we would be soon introducing 'four
phase' electric locos (what is THAT ??).

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Tapti Ganga Exp.

Date: 30 Mar 1999 23:02:50 -0500


At last someone has actually seen the entity known as Cheoki. Is there a
board
announcing that this is Cheoki or it it an unmarked stop ?
I have seen a similar scene at Diva Jn where a passengers crossing
tracks were
caught on both sides by speeding mail express trains. One passenger
dropped his
luggage but later went back to rescue it. The problem is that it is
difficult to
tell which of the four (or more) tracks the train would be coming on.
Fortunately no one lost their life or luggage but we as bystanders
thought we
were going to witness a few runovers that day.

D.G.Goswami wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> Some time back I had been to Varanasi by the Tapti Ganga
> Exp.This train goes to Varanasi via Cheoki and does not touch
Allahabad.But
> everyday there are about 100-150 passengers for Allahabad in it.The
problem
> starts here.These passengers get down at Cheoki(Its on the outskirts
of
> Allahabad),cross the tracks(there is no platform) and board the
> autoriks.When these people cross the tracks many superfasts like the
> Brahmaputra Mail,Kalka Mail,Kurla-Patna Exp. and Purshottam Exp. pass
thru
> Cheoki at around the same time(about 7 in the morning) at 90+speeds.On
that
> very day when these 100-150 people were crossing the tracks the
Brahmaputra
> Mail suddenly arrived at the spot (There's a turn on the Allahabad
side)at
> 90-100 kmph and they were caught unaware.At the same time Kurla-Patna
> exp.came from the other side.On seeing the two trains coming on them
at
> speeds chaos prevailed.In the chaos one passenger left his luggage on
the
> tracks and ran for his life .The Brahmaputra Mail ploughed thru his
luggage.
> My coach attendant said that this tamasha was a daily
affair
> at Cheoki.My point is that if there are so many passengers for
allahabad,
> the TG exp.should touch allahabad.Whenever such a demand is raised the
> Railways say that touching allahabad would increase the running time
by
> 1-1.5 hours.I would say that taking the train to allahabad would be
viable
> both from the safety point of view and from the commercial point of
view.Or
> else someday someone would surely loose his life at Cheoki.
>
> Chinmay Goswami,
> Surat

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Earthquake

Date: 30 Mar 1999 23:04:06 -0500


There is no damage to any railways, there are none nearby !

FyffesFL@aol.email wrote:

> U.S. media are reporting an earthquake in the Kumaon Hills, with
extensive
> damage.
> Has this affected any of the Hill railways ?
>
> Regards to all
>
> Richard Yudin

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Indian Railway in Films

Date: 31 Mar 1999 00:32:25 -0500


Gang !

It seems that this thread may take off once again. We have
been dipping into this subject many times before and it has
been a lot of fun. I would think the brachline from Karjat to
Khopoli has been in shot in more films than any other section.
Imtihan (Shreeram Lagu chucking the ransom money bag from the
river bridge to the waiting vamp), Film Name ? (Rajesh Khanna
singing 'Hum dodo, do premi, duniya chod chale' in a open C
wagon with Zeenath Aman (?). Any other ?
I also rememeber seeing a Tamil film with Kamlahassan jumping
his motorbike on a moving MG train (with a steam loco) and
succesfully fighting the villains. If I remember correctly he
rode his bike on top of the moving rake.
I am including a scanned article from the Indian Railway mag
which has uploaded ealier to jog a few memories.

Apurva

From: Dr. S. Parthasarathy <>

Subject: Cheoki, Diva , ++

Date: 31 Mar 1999 00:55:57 -0500


Hello,

This is the kind of material I have been trying to gather for my attempt
to increase awareness and safety in the IR.

Has anyone of you caught these scenes on film ? Please can you scan them
for me ? or, if you lend copies, I will scan them and return them to
you. And of course, if by any chance you have caught photos of people
doing foolish things (e.g. taking their two-wheelers across closed level
crossings), please let me know.

In any case, it is not too late, maybe you can make such pictures even
now and share them with IRFCA members. Our fellow countrymen will give
you many occasions to exhibit their scant respect for safety.

***QUOTE
At last someone has actually seen the entity known as Cheoki. Is there a
board
announcing that this is Cheoki or it it an unmarked stop ?
I have seen a similar scene at Diva Jn where a passengers crossing
tracks were
caught on both sides by speeding mail express trains. One passenger
dropped his
luggage but later went back to rescue it. The problem is that it is
difficult to
tell which of the four (or more) tracks the train would be coming on.
Fortunately no one lost their life or luggage but we as bystanders
thought we
were going to witness a few runovers that day.

D.G.Goswami wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> Some time back I had been to Varanasi by the Tapti Ganga
> Exp.This train goes to Varanasi via Cheoki and does not touch
Allahabad.But
> everyday there are about 100-150 passengers for Allahabad in it.The
problem
> starts here.These passengers get down at Cheoki(Its on the outskirts
of
> Allahabad),cross the tracks(there is no platform) and board the
> autoriks.When these people cross the tracks many superfasts like the
> Brahmaputra Mail,Kalka Mail,Kurla-Patna Exp. and Purshottam Exp. pass
thru
> Cheoki at around the same time(about 7 in the morning) at 90+speeds.On
that
> very day when these 100-150 people were crossing the tracks the
Brahmaputra
> Mail suddenly arrived at the spot (There's a turn on the Allahabad
side)at
> 90-100 kmph and they were caught unaware.At the same time Kurla-Patna
> exp.came from the other side.On seeing the two trains coming on them
at
> speeds chaos prevailed.In the chaos one passenger left his luggage on
the
> tracks and ran for his life .The Brahmaputra Mail ploughed thru his
luggage.
> My coach attendant said that this tamasha was a daily
affair
> at Cheoki.My point is that if there are so many passengers for
allahabad,
> the TG exp.should touch allahabad.Whenever such a demand is raised the
> Railways say that touching allahabad would increase the running time
by
> 1-1.5 hours.I would say that taking the train to allahabad would be
viable
> both from the safety point of view and from the commercial point of
view.Or
> else someday someone would surely loose his life at Cheoki.
>
> Chinmay Goswami,
> Surat

***UNQUOTE




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From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Indian Railway in Films

Date: 31 Mar 1999 01:37:05 -0500



Hi!

Just adding film name which Apurva has left question mark....


On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Gang !
>
> It seems that this thread may take off once again. We have
> been dipping into this subject many times before and it has
> been a lot of fun. I would think the brachline from Karjat to
> Khopoli has been in shot in more films than any other section.
> Imtihan (Shreeram Lagu chucking the ransom money bag from the

> river bridge to the waiting vamp), Film Name ? (Rajesh Khanna =
AJNABEE
> singing 'Hum dodo, do premi, duniya chod chale' in a open C
> wagon with Zeenath Aman (?). Any other ?


And Apurva, Viraf hates Rajesh Khanna like anything for his acting.
I like him for many popular/mega hit songs Kishore Kumar sang for him.

Shrinivas

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Cheoki, Diva, etc....

Date: 31 Mar 1999 01:49:33 -0500




Hi!

Few more unofficial halts , I have come across.

1) Tunnel Top on the Karjat-Khandala ghat sect.Here Mum-Pune Sinhagad
makes a stop for hardly a minute for people to get off at about 17 PM &
around same time Mumbai bound Deccan Express approaches this spot from
under the tunnel. And it's difficult for new treakers in this area who
get
down from Sinhagad.

2) Umbarmala , on the Khardi-Kasara section. Here too people get in &
off
the up/down trains from the tracks itself. Many carry milk cans, both
filled as well as empty. Here there is a turning on Kasara side & a
overhead bridge for the highway.

Such may be in many sections of IR.

Shrinivas

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Unofficial halts

Date: 31 Mar 1999 05:20:50 -0500




SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Few more unofficial halts , I have come across.
>
> 1) Tunnel Top on the Karjat-Khandala ghat sect.Here Mum-Pune Sinhagad
> makes a stop for hardly a minute for people to get off at about 17 PM
&
> around same time Mumbai bound Deccan Express approaches this spot from
> under the tunnel. And it's difficult for new treakers in this area who
get
> down from Sinhagad.

I suspect that the point known as Tunnel Top is actually a service stop
by
three trains throughout the 24 hours. 1023 Siddheswar Express, 1007
Deccan
Express and 1009 Sinhagad Express serve the needs of the three shifts of
the
substations and other installations in the ghats. Hence the Down trains
(climbing the ghats !) would stop at Jhambrung, Thakurwadi, Monkey Hill
and
Khandala and at any other place seen fit by the railway authorities. But
yes
these are not listed in the public timetable.

> 2) Umbarmala , on the Khardi-Kasara section. Here too people get in &
off
> the up/down trains from the tracks itself. Many carry milk cans, both
> filled as well as empty. Here there is a turning on Kasara side & a
> overhead bridge for the highway.

Maybe a similar reason on the NE ghats also.

Apurva

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Tapti Ganga Exp.

Date: 31 Mar 1999 06:56:39 -0500





>From: "D.G.Goswami" <dgoswami@bom6.email
>To: "irfca" <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Tapti Ganga Exp.
>Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:31:03 +0530
>
>Hi Gang,
> Some time back I had been to Varanasi by the Tapti Ganga
>Exp.This train goes to Varanasi via Cheoki and does not touch
Allahabad.But
>everyday there are about 100-150 passengers for Allahabad in it.The
problem
>starts here.These passengers get down at Cheoki(Its on the outskirts of
>Allahabad),cross the tracks(there is no platform) and board the
>autoriks.

This confirms that Chheoki does not have any platforms. I have been
through Chheoki once (winter '89) while traveling on the Madras-Patna
Exp. - it was in the middle of the night and visibility was poor due to
dense fog. They did announce that Allahabad-bound passengers should
detrain here - so it looks that Chheoki is meant for such folks. Why
then indicate this halt only in the working TT and not in the regular
TTs?



When these people cross the tracks many superfasts like the
>Brahmaputra Mail,Kalka Mail,Kurla-Patna Exp. and Purshottam Exp. pass
thru
>Cheoki at around the same time(about 7 in the morning) at 90+speeds.On
that
>very day when these 100-150 people were crossing the tracks the
Brahmaputra
>Mail suddenly arrived at the spot (There's a turn on the Allahabad
side)at
>90-100 kmph and they were caught unaware.At the same time Kurla-Patna
>exp.came from the other side.On seeing the two trains coming on them at
>speeds chaos prevailed.In the chaos one passenger left his luggage on
the
>tracks and ran for his life .The Brahmaputra Mail ploughed thru his
luggage.
> My coach attendant said that this tamasha was a daily
affair
>at Cheoki.My point is that if there are so many passengers for
allahabad,
>the TG exp.should touch allahabad.Whenever such a demand is raised the
>Railways say that touching allahabad would increase the running time by
>1-1.5 hours.I would say that taking the train to allahabad would be
viable
>both from the safety point of view and from the commercial point of
view.Or
>else someday someone would surely loose his life at Cheoki.
>
>
>Chinmay Goswami,
>Surat
>

Foolish behavior by passengers is no justification for re-routing the
train via Allahabad and causing it to lose 1 1/2 hrs. IMHO, a better
solution is to provide a platform with a foot overbridge at Chheoki.
There are quite a few trains via Chheoki to justify this - Tapti Ganga,
Surat-Patna, Dadar-Guwahati, Chennai-Patna.

Vijay

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Indian Railway in Films

Date: 31 Mar 1999 07:16:50 -0500





>From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
>To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Indian Railway in Films
>Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:02:25 +0530
>
>Gang !
>
>It seems that this thread may take off once again. We have
>been dipping into this subject many times before and it has
>been a lot of fun. I would think the brachline from Karjat to
>Khopoli has been in shot in more films than any other section.
>Imtihan (Shreeram Lagu chucking the ransom money bag from the
^^^^^^^^^
>river bridge to the waiting vamp)

This is "Inkaar", the film that I mentioned recently. Imtihaan was
another Vinod Khanna film of the 70s with Tanuja (remember the song "ruk

jaan nahin.....").

I recently saw Kuchche Dhaage with Ajay Devgan and Saif Ali Khan. Has
some good shots of a YDM4A-headed frieght train somewhere in Rajasthan.

The train is supposed to be headed for a dead-end and our heroes are
trying to decouple the guard van (caboose) from the train. This
educated me on how MG couplers work. The primary coupling is via a
rotating screw-with-lever-arrangement (for lack of a better term). The
secondary coupling is the hook that latches into a slot from above. The

decoupling occurs just before the train hits a tunnel - it was very
obvious that models have been used for this shot.

Another pet peeve of mine is that WDS shunters are liberally used for
many of the train scenes especially when a train is pulling into a
station - it would be so much nicer to see a WDM2/WAM4/WAPx in action.


Vijay
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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: More IR links!

Date: 31 Mar 1999 10:19:25 -0500


<A HREF="http://www.palaceonwheels.net/">http://www.palaceonwheels.net/</A> - Palace on Wheels has its own site.

<A HREF="http://www.spantours.com/luxurytrains.html">http://www.spantours.com/luxurytrains.html</A>


Vijay

From: Anil Balchandani <>

Subject: The forgotten track to Pakistan

Date: 31 Mar 1999 17:05:00 -0500


On the lighter side of things:-anb

The forgotten track to Pakistan
Friday 19 February 1999 - Times Of India
By Prakash Bhandari

The Times of India News Service

JAIPUR: With the Delhi-Lahore bus about to
become a reality, the people of west Rajasthan are
now hoping for the reopening of the closed rail link
between Munabao and Khokhraparkar, the last
railway station on the Pakistani side.

The distance between Munabao in Barmer district
and Khokhraparkar in Sindh is barely 11 km and the
railway line is lying unused since the 1965 war. The
rail link was established by a former maharaja of
Jodhpur and provided access to people right upto
Karachi and Hyderabad in Sindh.

Last year, the issue of reopening the
Munabao-Khokhraparkar route came up during the
talks Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee had with
his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif.

``When in operation, the metre- gauge railway line
used to ferry about 1,500 passengers from both sides.
People from Sindh who wanted to come to erstwhile
Rajputana would travel by this route,'' said Ram
Chandra Bora, a veteran freedom fighter who once
worked in the area as a signal inspector.

A number of Hindus who opted to live in Pakistan
availed the train facility while a number of Sindhi
Muslims and Miranis from the Indian side travelled
to Pakistan.

A migrant from Pakistan remembered having seen
in 1964 the table of the station master of Hyderabad
railway station in Sindh using the same large wooden
table which had the seal `JR' (Jodhpur Railway)
inscribed on it. The erstwhile Jodhpur Railway
territory extended upto Hyderabad.

``We came from Hyderabad in Sindh to Jodhpur by
this rail route. A majority of Sindhis who migrated to
India also came by this route and then spread to
various parts of the country,'' said Sewaram
Poptiani, a foodgrain trader here.

After the 1971 war, Pakistan signed an agreement to
open the rail links. But while the Wagah- Atari
route was opened, the Munabao-Khokhraparkar rail
link remained closed.

In 1986, the then Pakistan prime minister
Mohammed Khan Junejo had announced that the
Sindh-Rajasthan link would be re-started. After
this, Indian Railways speent Rs 15 lakh on renovating
Munabao station. But all this went in vain. During
Benazir Bhutto's prime ministership, Sindhis and
Mohajirs had also demanded the reopening of the
link. But Ms Bhutto came under pressure from the
army which was said to be against the move. The
Mohajir migrants from UP, MP, Rajasthan and Delhi
who have relations in India had said it would be
economical for them to travel via Sindh and reach
India from where they could board a train from
Jodhpur for their respective destinations. The present
Samjhauta Express train that runs between Lahore
and Delhi is not very covenient for people from
Sindh.

If the rail line is reopened, the large number of
Pakistanis who visit Ajmer to offer prayers at the
Dargah will benefit as the distance they have to
travel will be halved.

As for industrialists, they too want the link reopened.
``It will encourage trade between the two countries.
Earlier also, trade between the two countries
flourished because of the rail link,'' said Arun
Agarwal, an industrialist from Jodhpur.
Anil Balchandani
anil.balchandani@fnc.email
(pls note the new email format)

From: Dipl.-Ing. Nikolaus Sbarounis <>

Subject: Re: More IR links!

Date: 31 Mar 1999 23:25:47 -0500


On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:19:25 -0500, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> <A HREF="http://www.palaceonwheels.net/">http://www.palaceonwheels.net/</A> - Palace on Wheels has its own site.

Just had a look at their frontpage. Their loco looks notoriously
Canadian.
Didn't they have a picture of their own train?!


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From: Suresh Mutuswami <>

Subject: Re: The forgotten track to Pakistan

Date: 01 Apr 1999 01:44:47 -0500


One correction regarding the Times of India article posted by Anil
Balchandani: the name of the station on the Pakistan side is
"Khokhrapar"
and not "Khokhraparkar."

Also, the Pakistan foreign minister is reported (March 17 1999, see
<A HREF="http://www.paknews.org/newsflash/messages/2143.html)">http://www.paknews.org/newsflash/messages/2143.html)</A> as saying that
there
is not much possibility for the reopening of the Munabao-Khokhrapar line
as proposed by India.

For those interested, there is a photograph of the Khokhrapar Railway
Station in the book "The Lightning Campaign" (or is it "The Lightning
War?") by Maj. Gen. Palit. Apparently, the Indian Army had taken the
station in the 1971 war.

Suresh

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