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From: Steven Brown <>
Subject: Privatization in Pakistan
Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:49:56 -0500
Privatization of the Railways is producing bad financial results on top of the service cutbacks that have already occured. The following article is from today's (10 Sept) issue of Dawn.
Steve
PR suffers loss in first two months of fiscal 1998-99
By Mahmood Zaman
LAHORE, Sept 9: The element of uncertainty in Pakistan Railways privatization plan has taken its toll as the organization has suffered a loss of Rs 492.13 million in the first two months of fiscal year 1998-99.
The income from passenger, goods and parcel traffic and other sources has been Rs 1.287 billion by August 31 as against a budgetary target of Rs 1.78 billion. This shows a decline in earnings by about 28 per cent only during July and August, 1998.
This is believed to be the biggest revenue loss in PR's recent history. The reason behind this income decline is said to be uncertain conditions which have been prevailing in railways at a time when new budget allocations were made.
A senior officer contends that different steps towards railways' "unbundling and restructuring" as part of privatization plan were being taken during the period when new fiscal year began. Various events in the process had overtaken the entire administration so badly that it paid almost no attention to the operational activity.
Officers responsible for passenger and goods traffic, were so heavily involved in seeking their posting in the three independent business units in infrastructure, passenger and freight sectors that they became more or less indifferent towards their official obligation. These units were established through a federal government notification on July 16 and were made functional from September 1. As such, the take-off period was almost lost causing a revenue shortfall which may not be easy for the three units to make up in remaining 10 months.
Sources say goods transportation has suffered the most though this sector has lately shown signs of improvement. Revenue from this source has been about Rs 455.87 million as against a budgetary target of Rs 777 million. As such, there is about 41 per cent decline of income from this activity.
As for passenger sector, the revenue earnings have been Rs 737 million as against a budgetary target of Rs 870 million. This shows a shortfall of 15 per cent.
Another major income decline comes from rents, leases and sundry sources. A target of Rs 38.3 million was set against which actual income has been Rs 21.1 million. As such, income from this source is 44.7 per cent less than the target.
Parcel transportation has shown a major decline of 21 per cent. Actual earning from this sector has been Rs 73.4 million as against a target of Rs 94.4 million.
Even during these two months of previous fiscal year, the things were not so bad though the privatization plan had then unleashed to create a feeling of uncertainty among senior and subordinate staff. Loss coming from goods transportation was about 33 per cent and that from passenger sector about 5 per cent.
Parcel traffic had shown a remarkable activity as income from this sector was almost at par with the budgetary target last year. More or less the same was the case of sundry income which was less than the target by 7 per cent.
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>
Subject: Re: Walkie Talkies
Date: 10 Sep 1998 09:07:01 -0500
>IN RAJDHANI LIVELRY ACCORDING TO SOME OF THEIR STAFFERS. YESTERDAYS
>AFTERNOON NEWSPAPER CARRIED AN ARTICLE THAT MR. RAM NAIK HAS REJECTED
THE
>DEMANDS OF THE YOUTH CONGRESS COMMITTEE, REQUESTING THE RAILWAYS TO
HALT
>THE 2951/52,2953/54 RAJDHANI AND AK EXPRESSES AT BORIVALI STATION,
SAYING
>THAT GIVING A HALT TO THESE TRAINS WOULD MEAN DELAYING 13 LOCAL TRAINS
>IN THE PEAK HOURS, THEREBY HOLDING 65000 COMMUTERS TO RANSOM. HOWEVER
IN
>NO CIRCUMSTANCES THE RAJDHANI OR THE A.K. SHOULD BE HALTED AT BORVALI
OR
>ELSE THE CHARM WILL GO. THE YOUTH CONGRESS IS GOING TO HAVE A RAIL
ROKO
>ON 13TH SEPT AT BORIVALI. THESE BASTARDS MUST LEARN TO REALISE THAT
THESE
>ARE TRAINS WHICH ARE THE COUNTRY'S PRIDE, AND NO WAY CAN THESE TRAINS
TAKE
>ADDNL HALTS. AS IT IS THEY HAVE GIVEN A NO. OF HALTS TO AK EXPRESS.
>
>PLEASE SEND IN YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS AND LET THE DISCUSSION CONTINUE.
>
I can fully understand your frustation, Poras. Pushkar and I have had
many a discussion about how Mumbai trains have been systematically given
the axe. I have a feeling that it's because of selfish idiots like the
Youth Congress Committee. Imagine a train such as the Shatabdi having 7
halts during its 492 km. run between Mumbai Central and Ahmedabad.
Thank goodness for Mr. Ram Naik who is there to protect the Rajdhani
Exp., the only star train from Mumbai, IMHO. The A.K. has suffered as
well - Bharuch and Valsad, tchah!!
Vijay
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: Runovers
Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:39:26 -0500
Hi Appu ,
A similar incident happened when I was footplating. An old lady tried to
commit suicide. She bowed in respect before our approaching train I
guessed she must have said a prayer and slept between the tracks
instead of sleeping across. The train passed over her, the lady was
unhurt. I was shocked but the driver was cool. He offered me water and
a
sandwich but I was in no mood. He then proceeded to give a lecture on
the
facts of life and death.
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From: Vdate <>
Subject: train stops
Date: 10 Sep 1998 20:53:54 -0500
The commerce departments at divisional and HQ levels have the
information
regarding the passenger traffic and revenue generated between any two
stations. The other variable would be rail traffic on a particular
section.
Ideally one could device a hub and spoke arrangement which will optimize
the
passenger traffic and make it most efficient. For example, one really
must
make Mumbai to Delhi rail travel truly overnight so that it can compete
with
air travel. Perhaps our friends at IITs (i.e., Dheeraj et al. can
create some
computer models to help IR.
From: Jayant S <>
Subject: Re: About 13th. (fwd)
Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:10:55 -0500
Hi, friends:
Sorry can't make it Sunday (work...work...)
but hope to meet you guys the next time.
Have fun talking trains !
--
Jayant S
--
From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>
Subject: Re: train stops
Date: 11 Sep 1998 02:49:14 -0500
> The commerce departments at divisional and HQ levels have the
information
> regarding the passenger traffic and revenue generated between any two
> stations. The other variable would be rail traffic on a particular
section.
> Ideally one could device a hub and spoke arrangement which will
optimize the
> passenger traffic and make it most efficient. For example, one really
must
> make Mumbai to Delhi rail travel truly overnight so that it can
compete with
> air travel.
> Perhaps our friends at IITs (i.e., Dheeraj et al.)
> can create some computer models to help IR.
IR already has an excellent simulation tool which they have developed
inhouse. The tool can be used find current and future bottlenecks in
the existing network, then one could ask it to simulate another
network with say an additional line, or better signalling, or after
electrification, or after some enhancements are made on an alternate
path, and then find out whether that resolves the bottleneck.
Thus, it can be used to find the most cost-effective way to
remove bottlenecks, plan use of alternate paths to decongest
routes, and also do cost-benefit analysis of various investments.
It is truly impressive.
IR had first talked about it in some conference in California
two years ago. I forget the name of the conference or the tool.
-dheeraj
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Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
From: Pushkar Apte <>
Subject: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 07:21:37 -0500
I wanted to compile a list of the coach liveries currently running on
IR. Of course not counting the ubiquitous and terribly boring
maroon/brown ;-). I'll kick this off with the few I know:
No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
-- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
1 Red Red Cream 2 Red Rajdhanis
2 Blue Cream Cream 2 Blue Shatabdis
3 Red Red White 2 Red Old Mumbai AC Deluxe
Exp, Neelanchal, ???
4 Blue Blue White 2 Blue Old Karnavati
(extinct?)
5 Blue White White 1 Red All Mumbai-Pune trains
6 Red Red White None Navjeevan (still
exists?)
Please add others until we have a reasonably comprehensive list -
Thanks!
-Pushkar
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From: ranand <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 07:28:56 -0500
Both of these are from the old days:
Neelagiri express (Madras-Mettupalayam) Blue overall with yellow stripes
above and below windows.
Bombay Howrah mail via Nagpur: Usual brown with black stripe over the
windows.
Anand
Internet: anand@watson.email
External tel: (914) 784 7054
Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
Tie-line: 863 7054
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:41:39 -0500
>
>
>I wanted to compile a list of the coach liveries currently running on
>IR. Of course not counting the ubiquitous and terribly boring
>maroon/brown ;-). I'll kick this off with the few I know:
>
>No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
>-- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
>
>1 Red Red Cream 2 Red Rajdhanis
>
>2 Blue Cream Cream 2 Blue Shatabdis
^^^^^^^
1 Blue
>
>3 Red Red White 2 Red Old Mumbai AC Deluxe
> Exp, Neelanchal, ???
Poorva Exp., trains that used to have this - Himgiri Exp., MG Suryanagri
Exp., Sri Jagannath Exp.
>
>4 Blue Blue White 2 Blue Old Karnavati
> (extinct?)
Hapa-Ahmedabad Intercity Exp., Vidarhba Exp., Nizamuddin-Bangalore Exp.
via Hubli(?)
>
>5 Blue White White 1 Red All Mumbai-Pune trains
All? Or just Deccan Queen and Pragati? Add Taj Exp.
>
>6 Red Red White None Navjeevan (still
> exists?)
Not anymore
>Please add others until we have a reasonably comprehensive list -
Thanks!
No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
-- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
7. Green Yellow Yellow 1 Green Sapthagiri Exp.
1 Yellow (zigzag)
A similar livery used to exist on the Kerala-Karnataka Exp. and the
Ganga Kaveri Exp. (the yellow stripe was straight). Vaigai and Pallavan
Exps. used to have a similar livery with an extra green stripe at the
top.
8. Green Green Green 2 Yellow Cholan Exp.
Brindavan Exp. used to have this livery.
9. Blue Blue Blue 2 White Konkan Rly. trains(?)
(light blue)
10. Brown Cream Cream
TN Exp., AP Exp., Kerala Exp.,.... Mumbai-Nagercoil Exp. ?
IMHO, the ones to survive are some important day trains that just have a
single rake and don't share that with any others.
Vijay
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From: S.B.Mehta <>
Subject: Re: Trauma
Date: 11 Sep 1998 18:53:23 -0500
Going thru the several mails covering the suicides/deaths and
subsequent trauma suffered by the loco drivers, I was reminded of
incidents told to me by a loco driver on the Bhavnagar-Ahmedabad
line.
This was years back when steam was prevalent on the metre gauge
section. This particular driver who is an Irani (by the way)
graduated from a coaler to a mail train driver. He used to tell me
that at the time when he was a coaler whenever an accident used to
happen the dirty work of removing the bits and pieces of flesh of
either an animal or a human being sticking to engine parts was
promptly delegated to him. He had to collect these pieces and put
them in a cloth sack if the victim was a human being. This was then
handed over to the authorities at the next station alongwith a report
prepared by the driver and asst.driver.
Ugh! gory isnt it?
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From: poras p.saklatwalla <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:20:40 -0500
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Pushkar Apte wrote:
>
> I wanted to compile a list of the coach liveries currently running on
> IR. Of course not counting the ubiquitous and terribly boring
> maroon/brown ;-). I'll kick this off with the few I know:
>
> No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
> -- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
>
> 1 Red Red Cream 2 Red Rajdhanis
>
> 2 Blue Cream Cream 2 Blue Shatabdis
>
> 3 Red Red White 2 Red Old Mumbai AC Deluxe
> Exp, Neelanchal, ???
>
> 4 Blue Blue White 2 Blue Old Karnavati
> (extinct?)
>
> 5 Blue White White 1 Red All Mumbai-Pune trains
>
> 6 Red Red White None Navjeevan (still
> exists?)
>
> Please add others until we have a reasonably comprehensive list -
Thanks!
>
> -Pushkar
> -------
>
>
PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237
This morning whilst coming whilst coming to Vikhroli I saw a Rajdhani
livered Rake with Super deluxe Express written on it, at the Byculla
yard.
Good to see a Rajdhani coloured train on the otherwise dirty CR. This
is
indeed |The 2101 dn Kurla Howrah AC super DEluxe Express.
Views please, whilst we are discussing livelries.
PORAS.
From: poras p.saklatwalla <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:32:40 -0500
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 ranand@us.email wrote:
> Both of these are from the old days:
>
> Neelagiri express (Madras-Mettupalayam) Blue overall with yellow
stripes
> above and below windows.
> Bombay Howrah mail via Nagpur: Usual brown with black stripe over the
> windows.
>
> Anand
>
> Internet: anand@watson.email
> External tel: (914) 784 7054
> Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> Tie-line: 863 7054
>
>
PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237
ANAND,
NOT ANY MORE BOTH NILGIRI AND 8001 DN CALCUTTA MAIL ARE IN ORDINARY
COLOURS. I REMEMBER GITANJALI AND THE MINAR OF YORE HAD LOVELY
LIVELRIES.
I WAS YOUNG AT THAT TIME, BUT VIRAF OR APPU, MAY BE ABLE TO TELL US.
EVEN
UDYAN EXPRESS AND THE 31DN SECUNDERABAD EXPRESS, ( TODAY 31 DN IS
HYDERABAD EXPRESS)
VIRAF WASNT THE FLYING OF YESTER YEARS THE T N EXP, THE KARNATAKA AND
THE
KERALA EXP HAD BEAUTIFUL LIVELRIES.
PORAS
From: poras p.saklatwalla <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:51:06 -0500
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
> >
> >
> >I wanted to compile a list of the coach liveries currently running on
> >IR. Of course not counting the ubiquitous and terribly boring
> >maroon/brown ;-). I'll kick this off with the few I know:
> >
> >No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
> >-- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
> >
> >1 Red Red Cream 2 Red Rajdhanis
> >
> >2 Blue Cream Cream 2 Blue Shatabdis
> ^^^^^^^
> 1 Blue
>
> >
> >3 Red Red White 2 Red Old Mumbai AC Deluxe
> > Exp, Neelanchal, ???
>
> Poorva Exp., trains that used to have this - Himgiri Exp., MG
Suryanagri
> Exp., Sri Jagannath Exp.
>
>
> >
> >4 Blue Blue White 2 Blue Old Karnavati
> > (extinct?)
>
> Hapa-Ahmedabad Intercity Exp., Vidarhba Exp., Nizamuddin-Bangalore
Exp.
> via Hubli(?)
>
>
> >
> >5 Blue White White 1 Red All Mumbai-Pune trains
>
> All? Or just Deccan Queen and Pragati? Add Taj Exp.
>
>
> >
> >6 Red Red White None Navjeevan (still
> > exists?)
>
> Not anymore
>
>
> >Please add others until we have a reasonably comprehensive list -
> Thanks!
>
> No. Bottom Top Middle Stripe(s) Trains
> -- ------ --- ------ -------- ------
>
> 7. Green Yellow Yellow 1 Green Sapthagiri Exp.
> 1 Yellow (zigzag)
>
> A similar livery used to exist on the Kerala-Karnataka Exp. and the
> Ganga Kaveri Exp. (the yellow stripe was straight). Vaigai and
Pallavan
> Exps. used to have a similar livery with an extra green stripe at the
> top.
>
>
> 8. Green Green Green 2 Yellow Cholan Exp.
>
> Brindavan Exp. used to have this livery.
>
>
> 9. Blue Blue Blue 2 White Konkan Rly. trains(?)
> (light blue)
>
> 10. Brown Cream Cream
> TN Exp., AP Exp., Kerala Exp.,.... Mumbai-Nagercoil Exp. ?
>
>
> IMHO, the ones to survive are some important day trains that just have
a
> single rake and don't share that with any others.
>
> Vijay
>
>
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~
NOT NAGERCOIL EXPR NOR BRINDAVAN NOR CHOLAN EXPRESSES HAVE ANY LIVELRY.
YES VAIGAI EXPRESS OF SOUTHERN RAILWAY DOES HAVE ONE.
I DONT THINK THESE SOUTH BOUND SUPERFASTS LIKE T.N. KARNATAKA AND KERALA
AND A.P. EXPRESSES HAVE ANY LIVELRY.
MUMBAI NAGERCOIL, MUMBAI TRIVANDRUM (NOT 1081DN) MUMBAI TIRUPATI, AND
MUMBAI MADRAS EXPRESS( NOT CHENNAI EXP) ARE ONE OF THE DIRTIEST CR
TRAINS.
THE WR HAS ITS DIRTY TRAINS AND ACCORDING TO ME THESE ARE AS FOLLOWS.
MUMBAI GANDHIDHAM EXPRESS, FLYING RANEE (DOUBLE DECKER)VALSAD PASSENGERS
AND ALL SHUTTLES STARTING FROM VIRAR. Any more Viraf and other Mumbai
gang can give their info.
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>
Subject: Re: Liveries
Date: 11 Sep 1998 22:22:58 -0500
Hi,
> > Bombay Howrah mail via Nagpur: Usual brown with black stripe over
the
> > windows.
During 1970's the Bombay Howrah Mail via Nagpur used to be brown with a
somewhat purplish band on the windows bodered with black strips.
> VIRAF WASNT THE FLYING OF YESTER YEARS THE T N EXP, THE KARNATAKA AND
THE
> KERALA EXP HAD BEAUTIFUL LIVELRIES.
Yes "The Flying" as we Bawas used to lovingly call Flying Ranee was
painted blue with a matching coloured "WP". Wow what a sight it used to
be
seeing this train steam into Bombay Central Station.
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Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
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From: Sachin P Keshavan <>
Subject: TXR staff ?
Date: 12 Sep 1998 01:17:50 -0500
Hi all,
Can any one explain the term TXR staff used in the IR jargon.
And at
Erode Jn. I saw a strange way of giving instructions to these TXR staff.
In Erode, I don't think Walkie Talkies are used. In the yard, there are
loud speakers kept in different places in the yard. The control is done
using announcements on these loud speakers. I heard an announcement like
"Attention TXR staff, beware of an Electric Loco parked on Road No:16".
Does this practise exist in any other Junction?
Thanks,
Sachin.
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: TXR staff ?
Date: 12 Sep 1998 04:48:55 -0500
Hey Sachin,
Welcome to the world of Indian Railway jargon seekers. When you hear two
railwaymen talk to each other - it is a familiar language that you know
- but
full of words you cannot understand. It is a dialect by itself. The
'TXR' is the
train inspector and his gang. They are responsible for the running,
brake and
draw gear of the carriages. They issue a 'TXR certificate' without which
a train
will not leave the starting point. They also issue BPC (brake power
certificate)
and the newly introduced VCC (vacuum continuation certificate). They are
held
responsible for the safe running of the rake under in their charge till
the the
rake returns to the home shed. Example: 1011 Dn / 1012 Up Mumbai CSTM -
Kolhapur
Mahalaxmi Exp. is under the Mumbai TXR while the 7303 Dn / 7304 Up CSTM
-
Kolhapur Sahyadri Exp. is under the Kolhapur TXR. If a mishap like
coupling
failure or derailment occurs anywhere where this rake may be - the
appropriate
TXR and his staff attend the investigation and file a report.
TXR staff are distinct from the 'C&W' staff which are the 'Carriage and
Wagon'
guys who are responsible for the coach amenities, fittings,
electricals and
plumbings.
Just curious - why was a warning issued to the TXR for the electric loco
on road
16 ? Give us your best guess.
Apurva
Sachin P Keshavan wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can any one explain the term TXR staff used in the IR jargon.
And at
> Erode Jn. I saw a strange way of giving instructions to these TXR
staff.
> In Erode, I don't think Walkie Talkies are used. In the yard, there
are
> loud speakers kept in different places in the yard. The control is
done
> using announcements on these loud speakers. I heard an announcement
like
> "Attention TXR staff, beware of an Electric Loco parked on Road
No:16".
> Does this practise exist in any other Junction?
>
> Thanks,
> Sachin.
>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Re: TXR staff ?
Date: 12 Sep 1998 10:42:26 -0500
Yes the TXR stands for train examiner not train inspector - my mistake.
Apurva
PROTIP.DASGUPTA wrote:
> Sachin and Apurva...
> TXR stands for 'Train Examiner' and of course all his staff somes
under
> him...most big sdtations have a TXR office. U may also notice the
board
> TXR pass and TXR goods. Obviously one os for Passenger trains and the
> other is on Frieght trains.
> Also both the C&W and TXR staff come under the mechanical department.
> Regards,
> Bharat Vohra
>
From: PROTIP.DASGUPTA <>
Subject: Re: TXR staff ?
Date: 12 Sep 1998 20:09:29 -0500
Sachin and Apurva...
TXR stands for 'Train Examiner' and of course all his staff somes under
him...most big sdtations have a TXR office. U may also notice the board
TXR pass and TXR goods. Obviously one os for Passenger trains and the
other is on Frieght trains.
Also both the C&W and TXR staff come under the mechanical department.
Regards,
Bharat Vohra
From: Sachin P Keshavan <>
Subject: Regarding TXR Staff
Date: 12 Sep 1998 22:54:54 -0500
Hi all (and specially for Apurva)
Thanks for the meaning and info on TXR staff. Now why they gave a
message warning the TXR staff about Loco on Road No:16.
1. Is the TXR staff in any way connected with the shunting of Rakes.
Then it might be in that sense.
2. I heard this message when I was on board 6526 Island Exp. It reaches
Erode Jn, at 3 am, so I was quite sleepy (got down just to get a cup of
coffee). So I might have mistaken TXR staff for some short form for the
shunting staff.
Thanks,
Sachin
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>
Subject: Pune Mumbai Gang did not do it (yet !)
Date: 12 Sep 1998 23:09:12 -0500
Hi Gang,
Due to illnesses, other pressing commitments the Pune Mumbai chapter of
IRFC could not meet on the 13th at Karjat. It is postponed to next week
or the one after that. S. Jayant, Shirish Yande and Sundar Krishnamurthy
sent us regret emails and gave the blessing for the event. As the event
has not occurred yet, they are requested to give their blessings in
person in the coming weeks. Also the people are unwell should also get
well soon.
On a serious note - have we ever contemplated renaming IRFCA (A =
America) to just IRFC ? As many of the members are not physically in
America (and all of you are spiritually in India ?). What do the elders
of the mailing list feel about this ?
Apurva Bahadur