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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrejnet.email
Subject: Re: The "Wonder Years" of SF Expresses
Date: 14 Feb 1998 16:50:00 -0500
Pushkar,
I remember that Jammu Tawi Superfast had light blue and cream livery and
not blue and green.
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From: sank <sank@telco.email
Subject: Re: The "Wonder Years" of SF Expresses
Date: 14 Feb 1998 19:09:00 -0500
> All this talk of SF trains..........-Pushkar
Much of the train travel I undertook in thelate 70s and the 80s was between
New Jalpaiguri
and New Delhi on the Tinsukia Mail (running up to
New Bongaigaon in Assam then). For a brief, all
too brief period (in early 1979, I think) this train was
actually classified as a SF; stops between NJP and
NDLS were, Bhagalpur, Patna, Mughalsarai, Allahbad,
and Kanpur.
Through the 80s, this train declined absolutely, and
finally disappeared altogether. Today there is a
weekly NDLS-Guwahati Rajdhani Exp, though, so
I guess I cannot complain TOO much..............
--
Jayant S*ID Studio*TTIL*TELCO
Pimpri*Pune 411 018*INDIA*tel:91-212-774261 exn 2534
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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <coolsundar@hotmail.email
Subject: Re: Superfast Trains
Date: 14 Feb 1998 05:33:00 -0500
Dear Auro..
Keeping my message in the superfast trains thread was deliberate. :-)
Just 2 show, there's a flip side among "express" trains on IR!!!
>
> Your message title is wrong and confusing.
>
> It should have been "Superslow Trains"
>
> - Auro
>
Sundar Krishnamurthy
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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <coolsundar@hotmail.email
Subject: Re: Superfast Trains
Date: 14 Feb 1998 07:19:00 -0500
That's right Kumar, but it beats me, what it infers for the passenger.
The poor fellow has be at Shahabad by 12:00 while a guy at Wadi can
reach the station at 13:20?? If the train really runs on time (very
highly improbable) and departs Shahabad by 12:05, it would reach Wadi by
say, 12:20 and then depart by 13:30??? I read somewhere that a train can
NEVER depart before time from a station, even though many Shatabdis
reach their final destination a few minutes early.
Ergonomics is a feature deplorably lacking in time table design. I don't
know of many stations where such a *huge* time interval is allowed.
>This is exactly the reason why the Mumbai-Chennai mail is scheduled
>to take more than an hour between Shahabad and Wadi. This is
>standard practice on IR especially on arrivals to stations where
>there is a zone change or where the train terminates.
>
>Kumar
Sundar Krishnamurthy
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From: Vijay.Balasubramanian <Vijay.Balasubramanian@xula.email
Subject: New Train Pix
Date: 14 Feb 1998 14:50:00 -0500
>Hello All!
>
>It's been a busy life with no time for trainspotting or other pursuits
>(like sending mail). Well, I've found time to scan a few recent
>photographs and put them up at
><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html</A>
>Send me the reviews.
These photos are superb!!!! And the descriptions are very
thorough!!! Keep up
the good work. My comments:
- This is the first time that I am seeing Bangalore City (and vicinity)
with electrified tracks. I did get a chance to travel from Chennai
to Bangalore (and reverse), way back in summer of '85. This was
on the Brindavan Exp., the only superfast
train between Chennai and Bangalore at that time. The train changed
locos. at
Katpadi; electrification was in progress between Katpadi and
Jolarpettai.
- I noticed that the Pallavan Exp. is now hauled by a YAM1 instead of a
YDM4A.
When did this happen? Does the same apply to the Vaigai as well?
- How is a WAM4 able to haul the Mysore-Chennai Shatabdi Exp.? As far
as I
know, the WAM4 does not have air-braking capability and the Shatabdi
exp.
rake is air-braked. Would that pose any problems?
- You have a snap of the Brindavan Exp. overtaking a freight train. Is
this between
Chennai Central and Tiruvallur? As fas as know, the quadruple-track
section
ends at Tiruvallur (or before?)
- Pune-Renigunta is probably one of the most barren stretches, IMHO. I
would
always look forward to the arrival of Renigunta where a WAM4 (my
favorite loco.)
would take over. It also meant that the train would encounter
numerous curves
in its passage through the Eastern Ghats and give me upteen chances to
see
the WAM4 in action with its quaint pantograph licking the wires! Of
course, there
are a few other 'scenic' moments such as the bridges over the Krishna
and
Tungabhdra. And the thermal power plant south of the Krishna.
A couple of scan requests:
- A shot of the WCAM3, preferrably, hauling the Mumbai-Pune Shatabdi
exp.
- I am curious to see the Vidarbha Exp. with its new livery. Can you
get a shot of
this, as well?
>
>Around 22nd Feb (I'll confirm tomorrow when I visit Chennai central
stn)
>SR plans to terminate all services out of Egmore on the MG corridor, to
>make way for BGisation. BG Madurai trains would now proceed via
>Erode-Karur-Trichy, till Villupuram is re-gauged. That spells the
>death-knell for the feminine YAM1 locomotives.
That's sad!! This is my favorite MG route. How do they plan to
provide
connections to intermediate stations on this route - Tindivanam,
Villupuram, Vriddhachalam, etc. ? Is Villupuram-Thanjavur-Tiruchi also
being converted
to BG?
Vijay
From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <coolsundar@hotmail.email
Subject: Re: New Train Pix
Date: 14 Feb 1998 17:08:00 -0500
Hi Vijay!
SORRY for not finding time to reply. THANX for the compli's. There's a
lot more jpegs coming out of my machine to the web!!
I'm in Chennai right now, and would be visiting Mumbai for a day - on
25th Feb for a presentation. Even though my company is willing to pay
plane fare, I'm travelling IInd AC!! Never miss out on trains..
I'll get your Vidharba snaps. They should be there by this month end!
Its coaches resembles the new Mumbai Central-Ahmedabad Karnavati.
>I noticed that the Pallavan Exp. is now hauled by a YAM1 instead >of a
YDM4A. When did this happen? Does the same apply to the >Vaigai as
well?
I spend some time at Chennai Egmore, and the only diesels there are a
couple of YDM2's that do shunting work to haul empty trains from the
Chetpat sidings and back. All express trains, for the remaining few
days, would be hauled by YAM1's (WAM4 & WAP3's after a few months!!).
The Vaigai got a forcible divorce from its striking yellow YDM4 a few
years ago (any details??) Also, it lost its elated position - superior
livery, yellow colors et al; and looks no different from other trains.
But it is still the fastest MG train in South India (I'm NOT opening the
Pink City debate).
> How is a WAM4 able to haul the Mysore-Chennai Shatabdi Exp.?
> As far as I know, the WAM4 does not have air-braking capability
> and the Shatabdi exp. rake is air-braked. Would that pose any
>problems?
Well, the regular WAP3/1 was unavailable on the fateful day I undertook
this journey from Bangalore to Chennai. It was a WAM4P/6DP - the WAM is
Broad Gauge AC Mixed - subclass 4;
the P extension (very common nowadays) is for the Passenger slant
- its a mixed locomotive, designed for passenger train hauling.
The 6DP - according to the Motorman, was for 6 series motors - all
high power. I don't believe him, though! WAM4p/6DP are brute locomotives
- wolf in cattle attire :-) that made nothing out of averaging 100kmph
on lots of stretches on my route. In fact, we reached Chennai early by
10 minutes!!
Nowadays, IR gives WAG's preference for superfast trains over WAM's -
Example : the Ahmedabad Chennai Navjeevan and the Howrah Coromandel.
WAG's abound where WAP services are unavailable. Its usually a SC WAG5
from Vijaywada (BZA) or Lallaguda (LGD) - a suburb outside Hyderabad,
for these trains and their kilometer-crunching abilities are admirable.
> You have a snap of the Brindavan Exp. overtaking a freight train.
> Is this between Chennai Central and Tiruvallur? As fas as know, >
the quadruple-track section ends at Tiruvallur (or before?)
Yes. You're right. I get a massive thrill out of watching another train
move in the same direction. Me and my brother normally race slow trains
when we travel fast from Dadar to Borivli, Dadar- Kalyan or from
express trains. However, the slow train usually wins between Kanjurmarg
and Sion, when the fast local starts crawling on pathetic CR tracks.
The first WCAM2/3 photographs are on their way.. I'll let U know in a
few days.
Now, SR plans to suspend train travel to many intervening stations for
MG conversion. For Chengalpattu, the Arrakkonam - Chengalpattu MG line
would function until the Tambaram trunk is coverted. Same for the
Katpadi - Villupuram. Madurai trains are functioning through the
Erode-Karur-Trichy corridor.
Regards,
Sundar
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From: BHARAT VOHRA <bharat@giasbma.email
Subject: Re: New Train Pix
Date: 15 Feb 1998 11:43:00 -0500
My friends,
most WAM4's are air braked in the country today! Allthe non Rajdhani air
braked trains are more often than not hauled by WAM4's ater Baroda, very
rarely by a WAP1! I am reffering to Frontier, Paschim, Swaraj and so on!
Obviously it is a suprise to any of us that a Shatabdi would be hauled by
a WAM4 but SRly has a shortage or possible non existense of WAP's amongst
there holdings neccesisitating WAM4's to be deployed on ther Shatabdi run!
Shatabdis accross the country are either hauled by WAP1, 3 , 5 , WCAM 2,3
or WDM2's!
Regards
Bharat Vohra
On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 Vijay.Balasubramanian@xula.email wrote:
> >Hello All!
> >
> >It's been a busy life with no time for trainspotting or other pursuits
> >(like sending mail). Well, I've found time to scan a few recent
> >photographs and put them up at
> ><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html</A>
> >Send me the reviews.
>
> These photos are superb!!!! And the descriptions are very
> thorough!!! Keep up
> the good work. My comments:
> - This is the first time that I am seeing Bangalore City (and vicinity)
> with electrified tracks. I did get a chance to travel from Chennai
> to Bangalore (and reverse), way back in summer of '85. This was
> on the Brindavan Exp., the only superfast
> train between Chennai and Bangalore at that time. The train changed
> locos. at
> Katpadi; electrification was in progress between Katpadi and
> Jolarpettai.
>
> - I noticed that the Pallavan Exp. is now hauled by a YAM1 instead of a
> YDM4A.
> When did this happen? Does the same apply to the Vaigai as well?
>
> - How is a WAM4 able to haul the Mysore-Chennai Shatabdi Exp.? As far
> as I
> know, the WAM4 does not have air-braking capability and the Shatabdi
> exp.
> rake is air-braked. Would that pose any problems?
>
> - You have a snap of the Brindavan Exp. overtaking a freight train. Is
> this between
> Chennai Central and Tiruvallur? As fas as know, the quadruple-track
> section
> ends at Tiruvallur (or before?)
>
> - Pune-Renigunta is probably one of the most barren stretches, IMHO. I
> would
> always look forward to the arrival of Renigunta where a WAM4 (my
> favorite loco.)
> would take over. It also meant that the train would encounter
> numerous curves
> in its passage through the Eastern Ghats and give me upteen chances to
> see
> the WAM4 in action with its quaint pantograph licking the wires! Of
> course, there
> are a few other 'scenic' moments such as the bridges over the Krishna
> and
> Tungabhdra. And the thermal power plant south of the Krishna.
>
> A couple of scan requests:
> - A shot of the WCAM3, preferrably, hauling the Mumbai-Pune Shatabdi
> exp.
> - I am curious to see the Vidarbha Exp. with its new livery. Can you
> get a shot of
> this, as well?
>
> >
> >Around 22nd Feb (I'll confirm tomorrow when I visit Chennai central
> stn)
> >SR plans to terminate all services out of Egmore on the MG corridor, to
> >make way for BGisation. BG Madurai trains would now proceed via
> >Erode-Karur-Trichy, till Villupuram is re-gauged. That spells the
> >death-knell for the feminine YAM1 locomotives.
>
> That's sad!! This is my favorite MG route. How do they plan to
> provide
> connections to intermediate stations on this route - Tindivanam,
> Villupuram, Vriddhachalam, etc. ? Is Villupuram-Thanjavur-Tiruchi also
> being converted
> to BG?
>
>
> Vijay
>
>
From: Sankar <shankie@emirates.email
Subject: Re: New Train Pix
Date: 16 Feb 1998 07:36:00 -0500
Brilliant! Thanx a heap for a visual feast in the early morning of Friday
the thirteenth!
Just one thing: I've been photographing trains extensively since 1979,and
have done some pretty adventurous things myself,like doing it on the sly
and braving the odd busybody nosy official.(For this reason I always use
an instantly pocketable zoom compact!).
But however friendly, no driver has ever allowed me to photograph inside
the shed or in the locomotive's cab.
How on earth did you manage to catch that wheelside view of the YDM (this
photographer is only 165 cm----),and the cab interior?
I'm impatiently awaiting the arrival of your next lot of pictures.In the
meantime,would you care to share with me some of the photography aspects,
like which camera you usually use, what has been your modus operandi etc.
Sort of compare notes!
Best regards,and keep'em rollin' in!
Shankar.
At 01:39 PM 2/12/98 PST, you wrote:
>Hello All!
>
>It's been a busy life with no time for trainspotting or other pursuits
>(like sending mail). Well, I've found time to scan a few recent
>photographs and put them up at
><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics1.html</A>
>Send me the reviews.
>
>Its 3 am in Chennai, India now, and this is the only time I find off
>coding and work. Regarding the recent discussion on train speeds, I
>would like to mention 6009 Mumbai Chennai Mail. According to the time
>table (I'll confirm this in 7 hours time), the train leaves Shahabad at
>12:00 pm and arrives at Wadi at 13:20 pm. The catch - the two stations
>are separated by a mere 10 kms!!!! This would rate the SUPERSLOW stretch
>(all time) on any route. An fast man walking at 7 kmph can do the same
>distance in a similar time. The railways follow the 2xxx nomenclature
>for SF trains. They should start a -1,-2 etc. series for slow trains
>(Mail should be -2609 - super slowest of 'em all)
>
>Around 22nd Feb (I'll confirm tomorrow when I visit Chennai central stn)
>SR plans to terminate all services out of Egmore on the MG corridor, to
>make way for BGisation. BG Madurai trains would now proceed via
>Erode-Karur-Trichy, till Villupuram is re-gauged. That spells the
>death-knell for the feminine YAM1 locomotives.
>
>Sundar Krishnamurthy
>
>
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From: Sankar <shankie@emirates.email
Subject: Re: New Train Pix
Date: 16 Feb 1998 07:36:00 -0500
At 07:08 PM 2/14/98 PST, you wrote:
>Hi Vijay!
>
>SORRY for not finding time to reply. THANX for the compli's. There's a
>lot more jpegs coming out of my machine to the web!!
I AM IMPATIENTLY AWAITING THOSE!
>
>I'm in Chennai right now, and would be visiting Mumbai for a day - on
>25th Feb for a presentation. Even though my company is willing to pay
>plane fare, I'm travelling IInd AC!! Never miss out on trains..
>
>I'll get your Vidharba snaps. They should be there by this month end!
>Its coaches resembles the new Mumbai Central-Ahmedabad Karnavati.
>
>>I noticed that the Pallavan Exp. is now hauled by a YAM1 instead >of a
>YDM4A. When did this happen? Does the same apply to the >Vaigai as
>well?
YES,IT APPLIES TO THE VAIGAI AS WELL.ACTUALLY,I NOTICED THAT EVEN IN ITS
HEYDAYS,THE PALLAVAN AND VAIGAI WERE BOTH HAULED BY A YDM/4 RIGHT FROM
MADRAS EGMORE.I WONDERED WHY.
THERE WERE TWO POSSIBILITIES:ONE THERE IS NO STOP AT VILLUPURAM WHERE
EVERY OTHER TRAIN STOPS FOR A TRACTION CHANGE,FROM ELECTRIC TO DIESEL.BUT
NO,THAT WASN'T THE CASE:BOTH TRAINS DO STOP AT VILLUPURAM.
MY ONLY OTHER GUESS WAS THAT THE VAIGAI AND PALLAVAN ARE BOTH BOOKED TO
RUN AT A MAXIMUM SPEED OF 100 KMPH,WHEREAS THE DIMUNITIVE YAM/1S ARE
CAPABLE OF ONLY 75 KMPH (OR PROBABLY 90).WITH THE YDMS BEING CAPABLE OF
120 KMPH (REMEMBER THE ASHRAM EXPRESS?), THEY WERE THE MOST LIKELY
CANDIDATES FOR 100 KMPH HAULAGE,ELECTRIFIED TRACK NOTWITHSTANDING.
WITH THE WHOLE ROUTE UNDERGOING REGAUGING TO BG,SPEED RESTRICTIONS NOW
APPLY,AND THATS PROBABLY WHY THE YAM/1S CAN COPE JUST WELL TODAY.
MY THEORY MAY BE CONCOCTED,BUT THATS THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION I CAN
THINK OF.
>
>I spend some time at Chennai Egmore, and the only diesels there are a
>couple of YDM2's that do shunting work to haul empty trains from the
>Chetpat sidings and back. All express trains, for the remaining few
>days, would be hauled by YAM1's (WAM4 & WAP3's after a few months!!).
>The Vaigai got a forcible divorce from its striking yellow YDM4 a few
>years ago (any details??) Also, it lost its elated position - superior
>livery, yellow colors et al; and looks no different from other trains.
>But it is still the fastest MG train in South India (I'm NOT opening the
>Pink City debate).
>
>> How is a WAM4 able to haul the Mysore-Chennai Shatabdi Exp.?
>> As far as I know, the WAM4 does not have air-braking capability
>> and the Shatabdi exp. rake is air-braked. Would that pose any
>>problems?
MOST OF THE IR ENGINES ARE NOW BEING FITTED WITH DUAL BRAKE CAPABILITY.IN
FACT ALL ENGINES I SAW THIS TIME COULD WORK BOTH TYPE OF TRAINS.
>
>Well, the regular WAP3/1 was unavailable on the fateful day I undertook
>this journey from Bangalore to Chennai. It was a WAM4P/6DP - the WAM is
>Broad Gauge AC Mixed - subclass 4;
>the P extension (very common nowadays) is for the Passenger slant
>- its a mixed locomotive, designed for passenger train hauling.
>The 6DP - according to the Motorman, was for 6 series motors - all
>high power. I don't believe him, though! WAM4p/6DP are brute locomotives
>- wolf in cattle attire :-) that made nothing out of averaging 100kmph
>on lots of stretches on my route. In fact, we reached Chennai early by
>10 minutes!!
THIS ENTIRE SUPERFAST THEORY IS A BIT OF A MYTH REALLY,ESCECIALLY ON THE IR.
WE HAD A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE
SPEED.SO LETS MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN "MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE SPEED" AND
"MAXIMUM SPEED".
BARRING THE DELHI SHATABDI ROUTES,MOST OTHER HIGH SPEED ROUTES ON THE IR
PERMIT A MAXIMUM SPEED OF 110-120 KMPH ONLY,OR AT MOST,130.(RARE).
AS SUCH,WHILE MOST SUPERFASTS NOWADAYS IN ELECTRIFIED TERRITORIES ARE BEING
HAULED BY WAPS, WHICH HAVE A MAXIMUM SPEED CAPABILITY OF 145 KMPH OR EVEN
160,THEY ARE IN EFFECT ULTIMATELY STILL RUNNING ONLY AT 110 TO 120 KMPH,
A SPEED WHICH ANY WAM OR WAG CAN ACHIEVE.SO NO BIG DEAL THERE,ESPECIALLY
ON THIS PARTICULAR ROUTE.
SUCH A SCENE,OF A WAM TAKING OVER A WAP WORKING,MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE SAY A
FEW YEARS FROM NOW,WHEN EXPRESS SPEEDS ARE GEARED UP TO 130-160 KMPH OR
EVEN MORE.OR IN TODAY'S CIRCUMSTANCES,SUCH A SWAP MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE EVEN
TODAY WITH THE N.DELHI-BHOPAL OR N.DELHI-KANPUR SHATABDIS.THE BHOPAL
SHATABDI AS I LAST KNOW IT TOUCHES 145 UPTO AGRA AND 130 BEYOND.
>
>Nowadays, IR gives WAG's preference for superfast trains over WAM's -
>Example : the Ahmedabad Chennai Navjeevan and the Howrah Coromandel.
>WAG's abound where WAP services are unavailable. Its usually a SC WAG5
>from Vijaywada (BZA) or Lallaguda (LGD) - a suburb outside Hyderabad,
>for these trains and their kilometer-crunching abilities are admirable.
YES,I NOTICED THAT TOO,ESPECIALLY WHEN I TRAVELLED FROM MADRAS TO BANGALORE
BY THE WAG/5HA HAULED LALBAGH EXPRESS.
>
>> You have a snap of the Brindavan Exp. overtaking a freight train.
>> Is this between Chennai Central and Tiruvallur? As fas as know, >
>the quadruple-track section ends at Tiruvallur (or before?)
>
>Yes. You're right. I get a massive thrill out of watching another train
>move in the same direction. Me and my brother normally race slow trains
>when we travel fast from Dadar to Borivli, Dadar- Kalyan or from
>express trains. However, the slow train usually wins between Kanjurmarg
>and Sion, when the fast local starts crawling on pathetic CR tracks.
>
>The first WCAM2/3 photographs are on their way.. I'll let U know in a
>few days.
>
>Now, SR plans to suspend train travel to many intervening stations for
>MG conversion. For Chengalpattu, the Arrakkonam - Chengalpattu MG line
>would function until the Tambaram trunk is coverted. Same for the
>Katpadi - Villupuram. Madurai trains are functioning through the
>Erode-Karur-Trichy corridor.
ISN'T THAT TRAGIC!WE'LL MISS THOSE JUVENILE BEAUTY QUEENS,THE YAM/1S!
>
>Regards,
>
>Sundar
BEST REGARDS.
SHANKAR.
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>
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From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email
Subject: Re: IR magazine.
Date: 17 Feb 1998 23:50:00 -0500
> Anyone knows how to get a subscription or something ? I also
> remember seeing a copy of the house magazine of the DLW:
> quite interesting for the technically inclined. Is is still around ?
You can subscribe to "Indian Railways" magazine by sending your
subscription request to:
Mr. S C Saxena
Business Manager
"Indian Railways"
Room No. 311, Rail Bhavan
New Delhi - 110 001.
Tel: +91 (11) 338-2531, 330-3665
Fax: +91 (11) 338-4481
Subscription charges are:
India:
Rs. 45 for railway employees
Rs. 50 for non-employees
Foriegn:
Rs. 300 (sea mail)
Rs. 700 (air mail)
-dheeraj
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Indian Institute of Technology +91 (512) 59-0725 (Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email
Subject: Locomotive info.
Date: 18 Feb 1998 00:14:00 -0500
The Nov 1997 issue of Indian Railways has the following comparaive
information about various locos built at CLW.
Passenger electric locomotive.
WAP1 WAP3 WAP4 WAP5 WAP6
Horse Power 3900 3900 5000 6000 5000
Max Speed 130 140 140 160 160 kmph
axle weight (tonnes) 18.80 18.88 18.80 -- 18.87
total weight (tonnes) 112 112 112 78 113
Type of Traction Motor TAO659 TAO659 HS15250 6FXA7059 HS15250
Tractive Effort
(continous) 13.8 13.8 19.0 -- 19.0
(at start) 30.8 26
Freigt Locomotives
Horse Max axle total traction TE TE
Power speed weight weight motor cont. starting
WAG1 2900 80 21.3 85 M1420 23.7
WAG4 3150 80 21.9 87 MG1580 23.2
WAM4 3400 100 18.8 112 TAO659 --
WAG5 3900 80 20.0 120 TAO659/HS1520 20.6
WAG7 5000 100 20.5 123 HS15250 27.0 42
WAG9 6000 100 -- 123 FRA6068 -- 47
-dheeraj
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From: S. Kumar <s.kumar@qm.email
Subject: Chennai-Trichy
Date: 17 Feb 1998 18:44:00 -0500
I thought that Chennai-Villupuram was going to be a parallel BG line
with MG services still available to Villupuram and points on the
Villupuram-Trichy main line (via Cuddalore-Thanjavur) and to
Rameswaram (via Trichy or via Mayiladuthurai-Karaikkudi) and to
points south (e.g., Trichy-Manamadurai-Virudunagar-Tenkasi-Quilon).
So I don't understand why MG services from Chennai Egmore are being
shut down (unless Tambaram is to be the new MG terminus).
Do we have an estimated start date for Chennai-Trichy BG services?
What about Trichy-Dindigul conversion?
Kumar
From: S. Kumar <s.kumar@qm.email
Subject: Re: Trivandrum Rajdhani, Mangalore halt
Date: 18 Feb 1998 16:05:00 -0500
Auro writes:
>The schedule does not show stoppages at
> Mangalore & Calicut. Isn't this surprising ?
The Rajdhani halts at Kankanadi. Isn't Kankanadi a suburb of Mangalore? I believe that it is the
first station after Mangalore on the Mangalore-Hassan line. Does the
Konkan Rly. bypass Mangalore? I think Calicut will be added as a
halt shortly after politicians from Malabar complain loudly. Also
there is no halt in northern coastal Karnataka. Wonder how long will
this last.
Kumar
From: H.Hubbert <hubbert@cww.email
Subject: CLW to produce next WAG 9 batch
Date: 18 Feb 1998 00:07:00 -0500
CLW to produce next WAG 9 batch.
Chittaranjan Locomotive Works will manufacture another WAG 9 batch with
10 locos of this class.
Adtranz has produced the first 6 locos in Switzerland and delivered
another 16 kits to India. Adtranz will suply the 5 main-components
concerning the traction-subsystem and loco-control-technology.
From:
GLASERS ANNALEN (Berlin) No. 1/98, p. 21.
Heinrich Hubbert
Germany
From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email
Subject: Trivandrum Rajdhani
Date: 19 Feb 1998 09:12:00 -0500
It will be routed via Konkan Railway from 2nd April.
Here are the timings and fares.
TIMINGS FARE
STATION Arr. Dep. AC-3T Ac-2T 1st AC
H. Nizamuddin - 11:00 -- -- --
Vadodra 22:45 23:05 890 1325 2590
Vasai Road 04:05 04:15 1045 1690 2950
Panvel 05:38 05:43 1115 1810 3125
Ratna-giri 09:55 10:05 1220 2065 3630
Madgaon (Goa) 13:00 13:10 1400 2345 4180
Kankanadi 17:10 17:20 1620 2510 4700
Ernakulam-Jn 00:45 00:50 1860 2820 5475
Trivandrum 05:30 -- 1965 3020 5860
It will be bi-weekly, leaving HZN on Thursday and Friday.
The newspaper ad does not give return journey info.
The new timings are 3.5 hours less than the old timings for
end-to-end journey. The fare is only marginally higher.
(Rs 40, 90, and 155 respectively.)
The real time saving is only for Goa and Mangalore bound passengers.
-dheeraj
--------------
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Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering +91 (512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology +91 (512) 59-0725 (Fax)
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From: Auroprem Kandaswami <kandaswa@apple.email
Subject: Re: Trivandrum Rajdhani
Date: 18 Feb 1998 07:16:00 -0500
The schedule does not show stoppages at
Mangalore & Calicut. Isn't this surprising ?
- Auro
>
>It will be routed via Konkan Railway from 2nd April.
>Here are the timings and fares.
>
> TIMINGS FARE
>
>STATION Arr. Dep. AC-3T Ac-2T 1st AC
>
>H. Nizamuddin - 11:00 -- -- --
>Vadodra 22:45 23:05 890 1325 2590
>Vasai Road 04:05 04:15 1045 1690 2950
>Panvel 05:38 05:43 1115 1810 3125
>Ratna-giri 09:55 10:05 1220 2065 3630
>Madgaon (Goa) 13:00 13:10 1400 2345 4180
>Kankanadi 17:10 17:20 1620 2510 4700
>Ernakulam-Jn 00:45 00:50 1860 2820 5475
>Trivandrum 05:30 -- 1965 3020 5860
>
>
>It will be bi-weekly, leaving HZN on Thursday and Friday.
>
>The newspaper ad does not give return journey info.
>
>The new timings are 3.5 hours less than the old timings for
>end-to-end journey. The fare is only marginally higher.
>(Rs 40, 90, and 155 respectively.)
>
>The real time saving is only for Goa and Mangalore bound passengers.
>
>-dheeraj
>--------------
>Dheeraj Sanghi +91 (512) 59-7077 (Off)
>Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering +91 (512) 59-8627 (Res)
>Indian Institute of Technology +91 (512) 59-0725 (Fax)
>Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
>
From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email
Subject: Superfast trains
Date: 19 Feb 1998 23:17:00 -0500
As there is so much discussion going on regarding this topic let me put in
a few of my thoughts on this subject
1. The IR has fixed a deadline of 55 kmph for superfasts. The Mumbai -
Poona Deccan Queen, Pragati Express, Indrayani Express and Ofcourse the
Shatabdi Express, all used to take the same time to reach its destination
Poona. Then Mr Amroliwalla sued IR : the noble soul that he is, and
Indrayani and Pragati were reverted to normal trains. Though Indrayani
has added Kalyan to its halts, The Pragati still goes to Poona in 3 1/2
hrs ? then why is it that Deccan Queen is still a superfast and Pragati is
not ? Ridiculous isn't it.
2. The Punjab Mail takes about 25 hours to reach NDLS BUT IS still a
super fast train its no being 2137 Dn /2138 Up. How is this possible ?
3. The 1063 Dn Dadar Madras Chennai express has very few halts, unlike the
other Madras Express then how come the Speed of Chennai is not 55 Kmph and
above and why is it not designated as a superfast.
4. The Madras Bangalore Brindavan express is really a train which halts
at almost all stns enroute to Bangalore and vice versa, then on what
grounds is it a SF ? for your info even the Kalka howrah mail is a
tortoise then on what grounds is it still a SF
>From my members I had earlier asked that why no more mails are introduced
on IR ? The mails were once considered to be very special trains ! Then
why this sudden dearth of mails. My school days fondly makes me go back
to the days when we used the Poona mail. Can somebody please explain this
to me.
I have just recd a qtrly news letter from THE FRIENDS OF THE NATIONAL RAIL
MUSEUM The following are the important points in this news letter.
There is a plan to open rail museums at Mumbai Chennai and Varanasi. This
will enable new entrants to be placed appropriately and provide new vistas
to the enthusiasts who are away from Delhi but are closer to these
places.
DID YOU KNOW THAT : NEW JALPAIGURI is a unique station on the N.E.F. RLY
of the IR by the fact that it has 3 guages present at the same place B.G.
(5'6") M.G. 3'3 3/8" and N.G 2'0". The B.G. TRUNK ROUTE OF N.F.RLY from
Malda town to Guwhati and onwards to Dibrugarh runs thru NPJ. This stn
has a huge marshalling yard and also some spl Indian oil and FCI sidings.
The famous Darjeeling himalyan rail originates from here and the coaches
of the DHR were recently painted in red and yellow livelry and also in
green and white livelry. (must be looking beautiful) It is noted that a
B class 787-0-4-0 saddle tank loco has been frequently put to work.
IMPORTANT TO ALL AT IRFCA.
-------------------------
FRIENDS OF THE NATIONAL RAIL MUSEUM IS AN INFORMAL SOCIETY OF RAILWAY
---------------------------------------------------------------------
ENTHUSIASTS, KEEN TO SHARE A COMMON PLATFORM TO EXCHANGE VIEWS AND FURTHER
THEIR KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT OF RAILWAYS. HON CHAIRMAN, RAILWAY BOARD
IS THE CHIEF PATRON OF FNRM, STEAM TRACTION, THE RAISON D'ETRE FOR MOST
ENTHUSIASTS OCCUPIES A PROMINENT PLACE IN THE INTEREST OF THE FRNM THOUGH
OTHER FORMS OF TRACTION, ROLLING STOCK IS NOT NEGLECTED.
THE FRNM PUBLISHES A QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER WHICH WILL TAKE SHAPE AS A
JOURNAL IN THE FUTURE.
THE FRNM MEMBERS MEET ON SECOND SUNDAYS OF THE MONTH AT 11.OO AM AT THE
LIBRARY OF THE NATIONAL RAIL MUSEUM NEW DELHI.
ENTRY FEE (ONE TIME IS RS 25/- ) AND RS 25/-PER ANNUM AS MEMBERSHIP FEES,
WHICH INCLUDES A NEWSLETTER POSTED AT AN INLAND ADDRESS.
MEMBERSHIP OF THOSE RESIDING OUTSIDE INDIA IS RS 100/ PER ANNUM WITH THE
NEWSLETTER POSTED AT AN OVERSEAS ADDRESS BY AIR MAIL.
FOR FURTHER DETAILS AND MEMBERSHIP FORMS MAY BE COLLECTED FROM MR.
V.K.SIAL, SR LIBRARIAN, NRM OR BY WRITING TO THE SECRETARY, FNRM, B-7,
69/1, SAFDARJUNG ENCLAVE NEW DELHI 110029.
ANSWER PHONE /FAX - 0091-011 6167831.
LOCALLY YOU MAY GET FURTHER DETAILS FROM ME BY CALLING UP ON MY RESIDENCE
TEL NO. 022 2654670 0R EMAIL ME AT pps@godrejnet.email along with your
telephone no and addresss, so that I can post you a copy of the aims and
objectives of the FRIENDS OF THE NATIONAL RAIL MUSEUM .
PLEASE NOTE MY OFFICE TEL NOS.
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O R
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EXTN :4226/4232/4237
From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email
Subject: BOMBAY - MADRAS LINE AND A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS
Date: 19 Feb 1998 23:48:00 -0500
OF All the major trunk routes why is the Bombay - Madras, Bombay
-Bangalore, Bombay -Trivandrum is the most neglected route of the IR ?
why is it so ? The trains go via Branch line in Andhra while the Delhi
Madras route goes via mainline Andhra. Does the Mumbai - Kanyakumari
express go all the way to Arakkonam and then proceed to Trivandrum.
The weeklly Mumbai Trivandrum express goes via Krishna rajapuram i.e very
near to Bangalore. Why different routes are followed by trains going to
same destinations. When will the Mumbai - Madras route will be doule line
and when will it Be having electrified traction. Then we can atleast have
Mumbai Bangalore and Mumbai Madras superfast expresses may be shatabdi's !
This means that the lines beyond Solapur have to be doubled and
electrification has to start from Poona. May be Mr Kalmadi if elected
will do the needful for us. Will the Kanyakumari express be diverted via
Konkan Railway.
What is the Chord route which the Howrah Kalka mail follows ? What is the
alternative route. Some info please.
Thanks,
P.P.SAKLATWALLA.
EXTN :4226/4232/4237
From: dheeraj <dheeraj@iitk.email
Subject: Re: Superfast trains
Date: 20 Feb 1998 00:18:00 -0500
> 1. The IR has fixed a deadline of 55 kmph for superfasts. The Mumbai -
> Poona Deccan Queen, Pragati Express, Indrayani Express and Ofcourse the
> Shatabdi Express, all used to take the same time to reach its destination
> Poona. Then Mr Amroliwalla sued IR : the noble soul that he is, and
> Indrayani and Pragati were reverted to normal trains. Though Indrayani
> has added Kalyan to its halts, The Pragati still goes to Poona in 3 1/2
> hrs ? then why is it that Deccan Queen is still a superfast and Pragati is
> not ? Ridiculous isn't it.
Well, if you divide 192 KM by 55 KMPH, any train that takes more
than 3:29 is not a SF. Deccan Queen and Shatabdi take 3:25,
and hence SF. Pragati takes 3:45, Deccan Exp takes 3:35, Indrayani
takes 3:45, Sinhgarh takes 4:30.
Pune Bombay times are a few minutes less.
> 2. The Punjab Mail takes about 25 hours to reach NDLS BUT IS still a
> super fast train its no being 2137 Dn /2138 Up. How is this possible ?
Punjab Mail takes 34:10 between CST and Firozpur, a distance of
1928 KM. Avg speed slightly higher than 56 KMPH.
> 3. The 1063 Dn Dadar Madras Chennai express has very few halts, unlike the
> other Madras Express then how come the Speed of Chennai is not 55 Kmph and
> above and why is it not designated as a superfast.
Distance = 1270 KM. Time = 24:30
Avg = 51.8 kmph Hence not SF
> 4. The Madras Bangalore Brindavan express is really a train which halts
> at almost all stns enroute to Bangalore and vice versa, then on what
> grounds is it a SF ? for your info even the Kalka howrah mail is a
> tortoise then on what grounds is it still a SF
I am sure you can do the calculations and see why certain trains are
SF or not.
> >From my members I had earlier asked that why no more mails are introduced
> on IR ? The mails were once considered to be very special trains ! Then
> why this sudden dearth of mails. My school days fondly makes me go back
> to the days when we used the Poona mail. Can somebody please explain this
> to me.
The mail trains used to carry a Railway Mail Service coach.
Now a days, IR does not want to carry an extra coach for RMS.
Hence no more mail trains.
-dheeraj
--------------
Dheeraj Sanghi +91 (512) 59-7077 (Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering +91 (512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology +91 (512) 59-0725 (Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
From: viral desai <virald@giasbma.email
Subject: Re: Trivandrum Rajdhani
Date: 20 Feb 1998 02:29:00 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: dheeraj@iitk.email <dheeraj@iitk.email
To: <irfca@cs.email
Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:43 AM
Subject: Trivandrum Rajdhani
>
>It will be routed via Konkan Railway from 2nd April.
>Here are the timings and fares.
>
> TIMINGS FARE
>
>STATION Arr. Dep. AC-3T Ac-2T 1st AC
>
>H. Nizamuddin - 11:00 -- -- --
>Vadodra 22:45 23:05 890 1325 2590
>Vasai Road 04:05 04:15 1045 1690 2950
>Panvel 05:38 05:43 1115 1810 3125
>Ratna-giri 09:55 10:05 1220 2065 3630
>Madgaon (Goa) 13:00 13:10 1400 2345 4180
>Kankanadi 17:10 17:20 1620 2510 4700
>Ernakulam-Jn 00:45 00:50 1860 2820 5475
>Trivandrum 05:30 -- 1965 3020 5860
DOES THIS MEAN THAT IT WILL RUN NONSTOP FROM HNIZZ. TO VADODRA.?
ARE THIS THE ONLY STOPS FROM HN TO TRIVAND.
THEY DON'T INCLUDE SURAT (I THINK SURAT HAS A LARGE POPULATION OF PEPOLE FRM
KERALA)AS WELL AS ANY OTHER STOP BET. HN TO VADODRA.
ALSO REGARDING THE TIMMING OF BCT-ADI SHATABDI.
IT IS MUCH SLOWER THAN THE RAJDHANI BETWEEN BCT-VADODRA.
BCT-NDI RAJDHANI TAKES 4HRS 32 MINUTES WHERE AS SHATABDI TAKES 5HRS. FOR THE
SAME JOURNEY.ISN'T SHATABDI SUPPOSED TO BE THE FASTEST TRAIN CURRENTLY OR
ATLEAST AT PAR WITH RAJDHANI.
ONLY GUJRAT EXP. COMES IN THE WAY BET. SHATABDI SO THERE IS NO TRAFFIC
COMING IN WAY OF IT.CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY IT IS SO?
>It will be bi-weekly, leaving HZN on Thursday and Friday.
>
>The newspaper ad does not give return journey info.
>
>The new timings are 3.5 hours less than the old timings for
>end-to-end journey. The fare is only marginally higher.
>(Rs 40, 90, and 155 respectively.)
>
>The real time saving is only for Goa and Mangalore bound passengers.
>
>-dheeraj
>--------------
>Dheeraj Sanghi +91 (512) 59-7077 (Off)
>Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering +91 (512) 59-8627 (Res)
>Indian Institute of Technology +91 (512) 59-0725 (Fax)
>Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
>