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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 28 Sep 1999 14:45:25 -0500


Hello Gang

> What is being meant here is that the type of insulators and all the
> support hardware is of the AC type but the voltage to which the OHE
> is connected to is still 1.5 KV DC type.

Well Apurva - you're right about that part - but its real fun to give
that
curve a look-see! Diva-Panvel was once a single-track affair... now
there
are two lines radiating out of Diva station southwards... and the newer
line is the one with the AC supports and wires. Two parallel lines with
different sets of catenaries - should be a rare sight on IR! Makes me
all
the more wanna promote Diva on the trainspotting jaunt list.

In fact - a lot of stretches on WR like the Khar BA Marshalling Yard
(BAMY), Mumbai(?) Central terminus, the Jogeshwari-Goregaon yard and
even
the Wadala BPT lines have the AC catenary supports - perhaps Prakash
could
enlighten me on this... are these tracks AC electrified for the
contemporary WCAM1 locos??

Sundar

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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: Visit to South Station

Date: 28 Sep 1999 15:01:29 -0500


Hello Jishnu, VIjay and Gang

> > I doubt whether Amtrak will be able to introduce
> > its high-speed ACELA service by October of
> > this year.
<*snip*>
> ... Firts train using HH8s will be sometime rearly
> next year, and Acela Expresses using TGV derived
> trains in early second quarter 2000.

I had been to meet up a mate in Philadelphia this weekend and had a
surprise waiting for me at the 30th street station. There is an Acela
power
car on the yard tracks below the SEPTA platforms.. and it stands heading
a
normal set of Amtrak passenger cars. To get a better view - I got down
and
went to the top of a parking lot bordering the yard there - it looks
very
TGV-ish. I had no Amtrak official to ask, but my train freak boss here
tells me it has been some time since its parked there. Anyone heading
that
way can have a peek at it.

Amtrak is doing a media blitzkrieg promoting the Acela - huge banners
and
cut-outs - with the keywords.. Life on Acela! Lets see them bring back
the
golen age of American train travel ! All the best to them ....

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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 28 Sep 1999 15:07:36 -0500


Hello Gang

> What is being meant here is that the type of insulators and all the
> support hardware is of the AC type but the voltage to which the OHE
> is connected to is still 1.5 KV DC type.

Well Apurva - you're right about that part - but its real fun to give
that
curve a look-see! Diva-Panvel was once a single-track affair... now
there
are two lines radiating out of Diva station southwards... and the newer
line is the one with the AC supports and wires. Two parallel lines with
different sets of catenaries - should be a rare sight on IR! Makes me
all
the more wanna promote Diva on the trainspotting jaunt list.

In fact - a lot of stretches on WR like the Khar BA Marshalling Yard
(BAMY), Mumbai(?) Central terminus, the Jogeshwari-Goregaon yard and
even
the Wadala BPT lines have the AC catenary supports - perhaps Prakash
could
enlighten me on this... are these tracks AC electrified for the
contemporary WCAM1 locos??

Sundar

------------------------------------------------------
Sundar Krishnamurthy Datamatics-ASCOM, Somerset NJ
sundar@spyring.email <A HREF="http://sundar.cjb.net">http://sundar.cjb.net</A>
ICQ: 3159776 Tel (O): 1-800-400 8686 x 118
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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: Visit to South Station

Date: 28 Sep 1999 15:09:41 -0500


Hello Jishnu, Vijay and Gang

> > I doubt whether Amtrak will be able to introduce
> > its high-speed ACELA service by October of
> > this year.
<*snip*>
> ... Firts train using HH8s will be sometime rearly
> next year, and Acela Expresses using TGV derived
> trains in early second quarter 2000.

I had been to meet up a mate in Philadelphia this weekend and had a
surprise waiting for me at the 30th street station. There is an Acela
power
car on the yard tracks below the SEPTA platforms.. and it stands heading
a
normal set of Amtrak passenger cars. To get a better view - I got down
and
went to the top of a parking lot bordering the yard there - it looks
very
TGV-ish. I had no Amtrak official to ask, but my train freak boss here
tells me it has been some time since its parked there. Anyone heading
that
way can have a peek at it.

Amtrak is doing a media blitzkrieg promoting the Acela - huge banners
and
cut-outs - with the keywords.. Life on Acela! Lets see them bring back
the
golen age of American train travel ! All the best to them ....

------------------------------------------------------
Sundar Krishnamurthy Datamatics-ASCOM, Somerset NJ
sundar@spyring.email <A HREF="http://sundar.cjb.net">http://sundar.cjb.net</A>
ICQ: 3159776 Tel (O): 1-800-400 8686 x 118
------------------------------------------------------
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From: s.shankar <>

Subject: Re: links

Date: 28 Sep 1999 19:44:56 -0500


Hello,
Unfortunately not yet.
One appears to be under construction though, as part of the irieen site,
the
url for which is:

<A HREF="http://www.irieen.com/">http://www.irieen.com/</A>

Scroll right down to the bottom and select CLW. It says
file not found.

One of our irfca members had send the url a couple of months ago. At
that
time, a couple of pics were there, with Chittaranjan Loco Works written.
But
for the cover sheet, there was nothing else. Now its disappeared
altogether.
I guess they are still working on it!

DO you have any pics or photographs of your tryst with the loco works
in
Chittaranjan? There was an article in a recent issue of the Indian
Railways
magazine with a pic showing how the approach road to the station had
been
cleared of encroachments and hence widened.

Cheers.

Shankar

Cheers.

Shankar



On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:35:49 -0500 (CDT), S. Biswas wrote:

> Is there a web page of CLW (Chittaranjan Locomotive Works)?
>
> I was born in Chittaranjan and did my schooling there. Have very
> many happy memories of the place.
>
> Thanks, and best regards,
>
> Somenath Biswas





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From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: Park Trains

Date: 28 Sep 1999 20:08:30 -0500




>Do remember the 'Fulrani' (flower queen) in the Peshwe park (soo) in
Pune,
this
>must be over 40 - 50 years old ! It was always diesel powered and
worked an
>anticlockwise loop of about 300 meters on top of animal cages in the
zoo.
>However I would love to see this train stopped due to the sheer
nuisance
that the
>poor animals have to put up with. For that matter, I would like to see
the
entire
>zoo section abolished, but that is another story. Do check the item on
the
Baroda
>garden railway on my webpage.
><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>
>Apurva
>
As I recall, the zoo in Baroda's Sayagi Bagh park was rather neglected.
Looked like it had seen better days (as did the animals in it!). I
don't
think the train passed through the zoo, though I may be wrong.

For a review of "Earth" from a Canadian perspective:
<A HREF="http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_09.23.99/film/earth.html">http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_09.23.99/film/earth.html</A>
Deepa Mehta calls Toronto her adopted home, so her films attract a lot
of
attention here.

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(416) 536-7406
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From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Telco terms

Date: 28 Sep 1999 20:28:24 -0500



> Other familiar Telco terms I remember is wheelbase (the distance
between
> the centre of the front and rear wheels) and overhang, ie, how much
the
> body protrudes beyond the (esp. front) wheel.

You are right about the terminology we use here.

> Long wheelbase IR engines are the WCAM/1 and the new GT Mac.The WDS/4
> has a long overhang on either side,doesn't it?
> Cheers.

Yes. It helps the unit to negotiate tight-radius
curves on docks and other yard trackwork.

Overhangs/wheelbase on road vehicles also have an
effect on gradient behaviour: angle of approach,
angle of departure and ramp breakover angle, which
are not of consequence on railway stock (mercifully !).

--
JS
--

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Cab forward, etc.

Date: 28 Sep 1999 20:53:29 -0500


Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> The official term, I think, is "cab forward".
"Cab forward", in the automotive domain, means
something other than "full-forward". It refers
to cars such as the Chrysler LH which have
windshield placed further ahead than usual.
You are right about the railway definition though.

> It would seem to me that, other than for streamlined high-speed locos,
there
> seems little reason not to have a cab forward design for an electric
> locomotive.
Depends if the loco is bidirectional or unidirectional.
A dual cab loco is better off being cab-forward (of course,
the WCM1s were beautiful machines !), but a single-cabber
could well be streamlined at one end (this is seen on
the Class 91 in UK which was designed for high-speed
push-pull operation).


--
JS
--

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Cab forward, etc.

Date: 28 Sep 1999 20:53:29 -0500


Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> The official term, I think, is "cab forward".
"Cab forward", in the automotive domain, means
something other than "full-forward". It refers
to cars such as the Chrysler LH which have
windshield placed further ahead than usual.
You are right about the railway definition though.

> It would seem to me that, other than for streamlined high-speed locos,
there
> seems little reason not to have a cab forward design for an electric
> locomotive.
Depends if the loco is bidirectional or unidirectional.
A dual cab loco is better off being cab-forward (of course,
the WCM1s were beautiful machines !), but a single-cabber
could well be streamlined at one end (this is seen on
the Class 91 in UK which was designed for high-speed
push-pull operation).


--
JS
--

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Trains and names...

Date: 28 Sep 1999 23:19:09 -0500


>
> Mumbai-Bangalore Udyan Exp.
> Udyan = garden. after the Brindavan Gardens near Bangalore?

No. After Bangalore which is also known as the Garden City.
>
> Tenali-Secunderabad Nagarjuna Exp. ??

After Nagarjuna Sagar Dam (on river Krishna) which is close by.

> Mumbai-Kolhapur Sahyadri Exp.
> after the Sahyadri hills around Kolhapur?

The railway runs parallel to the Sahyadri Mountain Range which is also
known as The Western Ghats.

>
> Mumbai-Kolhapur Koyna Exp.
> crosses the Koyna river - where?

At Satara it comes quite close to Koyna Dam.
>
> Mumbai-Nanded Tapovan Exp. ??

I believe that Tapovan is an ashram (?)

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: More IR links

Date: 28 Sep 1999 23:29:37 -0500


> THe last I remember of the Bangalore-Mysore YDMs is that they were all
> is mundane IR maroon.
>
Shanker,

I have clicked a Green YDM shunting rakes at Mysore.

Viraf

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Mumbai 400103
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E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Marcelo Benoit <>

Subject: Re: Visit to South Station

Date: 29 Sep 1999 00:34:45 -0500



>I had been to meet up a mate in Philadelphia this weekend and had a
>surprise waiting for me at the 30th street station. There is an Acela
power
>car on the yard tracks below the SEPTA platforms.. and it stands
heading a
>normal set of Amtrak passenger cars.

Well, you saw one of the new electric locomotives, very similar to the
ACELA
power car of the high speed trainsets.


Marcelo

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel

Date: 29 Sep 1999 01:48:48 -0500


Lucky Guy !

KR must give Rajan the most frequent traveler award. How many times have
you
been on the KR in the last year ? I can remember atleast 6 times.
Send your KR travelogue to Lonely Planet as well under the cat of exotic
journeys.

Apurva

Rajan Mathew wrote:

> Gang ...
>
> I didn't mention it earlier ... but I had to make a sudden trip to
Kerala
> for my cousins engagement ....

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Trains and names...

Date: 29 Sep 1999 02:03:18 -0500


> Mysore-Bangalore Chamundi Exp

Chamundi hills (and temple on top) in MYS

> Bangalore-Miraj Chennamma Exp. ??

This is the Rani Chennamma express, (AFAIK warrior queen in the area, I
think
of Kittur fort - The BG Rani Chennamma express replaces the MG Kittur
express
!)

> Hubli/Nanded-Bangalore Hampi Exp. ??

Hampi temples near Bijapur.

> Kurla-Ernakulam Netravati Exp.
> Netravati is a temple?

Netravati River at Mangalore, this train used to terminate at MAQ
earlier, okay
it used to bifurcate/ amalgamate at Shoranur, half went to CHTS and half
went
to MAQ. Now the whole rake goes to ERS.

> Cochin-Indore Ahilyanagri Exp.
> Is Indore known as Ahilyanagri?

After Ahilyadevi Holkar, the queen of Indore.

> Mumbai-Kolhapur Sahyadri Exp.
> after the Sahyadri hills around Kolhapur?

Sahyadri is the entire mountain range of the western ghats

> Mumbai-Kolhapur Koyna Exp.
> crosses the Koyna river - where?

Koyna hydroelectric project near KOP powers parts of Maharashtra
including
Pune. I think the bridge is near Jaisinghpur after Miraj towards KOP.

> Secunderabad-Mudkhed Ajanta Exp.
> restricted version of the Manmad-Kacheguda Ajanta Exp. which used to
pass
> through Aurangabad, a railhead for the Ajanta caves.

Actually this BG train can come all the way to Aurangabad or even upto
Manmad,
but chooses to terminate at Mudkhed. Lack of traffic I guess.

> Nizamabad-Mudkhed Ellora Exp.
> after the Ellora caves. Is Aurangabad again the closest railhead?

I think there is a small station even nearer to the caves, but AWB is
the
nearest large city.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Jhelum rake

Date: 29 Sep 1999 02:16:09 -0500


Some mail that bounced back.

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Subject: Want to be a Member of Yr' Organisation !

Date: 29 Sep 1999 02:17:29 -0500


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From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 29 Sep 1999 02:20:54 -0500




Dear Larry,

Ernakulam Jn. - Kayankulam Jn. distances :

Ernakulam Jn.0, Tirunettur 5, Kumbalam 8, Arur H. 13, Ezhupunna 19,
Thuravur 23,
Vayalar 27, Shertalai 34, Tiruvizha 39, Mararikulam 45, Kalavur H. 48,
Tumboli
H., Allepey 57, Punnapra 65, Ambalapuzha 69, Thakazhi 75, Karuvatta H.
81,
Haripad 87, Cheppad H. 93, Kayankulam Jn. 100.

Regards

Raymond

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Few explanations was Re: Trains and names...

Date: 29 Sep 1999 02:51:50 -0500


Hi all,


>Chennai-Jolarpettai Yelagiri Exp. ??
Around 50-60 km from Jolarpettai there is small hill station
surrounding the Yelagiri hill range. Thats why the train has this name.
It
is quite known for the trekking facilities i heard.

>
>Chennai-Tirunelveli Nellai Exp.
>Nellu = paddy (in Tamil). Something to do with that?
Just as Coimbatore is called "Kovai" in Tamil or Ooty called "Udhagai",
Tirunelveli is called "Nellai" in Tamil

>
>Chennai-Karaikkudi/Nagore Kamban Exp.
>Kamban temple?
Actually this is just to glorify Kamban the great poet. Also this train
is
via the main line passing thru Tanjavur-Kumbakonam and the birth place
of
Kamban (called Therezhundur) is very near.

>Shoranur-Trivandrum Venad Exp. ??
Actually there is a place called Vynad near Shoranur, which is intense
wth
thich vegetation. Probably the name is derived from it.

>Bangalore-Miraj Chennamma Exp. ??
Its Rani Chennamma. In my previous mail on Trains and Goddesses i had
mentioned this train. I guess there was some pseudo-Rani Jhansi
character
who lived here.
>
>Hubli/Nanded-Bangalore Hampi Exp. ??
>At Guntakal, a portion of this train gets detached and goes to Nanded
via
>Raichur, Halakatta, Vikrabad, Bidar, Parli Vaijnath, Parbhani, Purna.
>Earlier this link exp. used to terminate at Bidar itself.
The Hampi ruins are supposed to be a marvel

>Kurla-Ernakulam Netravati Exp.
>Netravati is a temple?
Netravati is a river just outside Mangalore. There is a BIG brigde
across
this river where it meets the sea.

>
>Chennai-Erode Yercaud Exp. ??
Yercaud is a popular hill station 60km from Salem.
>
>7xxx trains
>----------------
>
>Tenali-Secunderabad Nagarjuna Exp. ??
Nagarjuna Sagar Dam is 30km from Nalgonda which is on the route and also
a
popular tourist attraction. It is an important water resource for
Andhra.

>Chennai-Kakinada Circar Exp. ??
Somthing to do with the Nizam rulers/Chalukyas ??

>Guntur-Visakhapatnam Simhadri Exp. ??
The name of the hill at Simhachalam is called Simhadri. In Sanskrit i
beleive "adri" means hill.

>Tirupati-Secunderabad Narayanadri Exp. ??
Each of the seven hills has a name in Tirumala. Rishabadri,
Narayanadri,Garudadri,Anjanadri,Hemadri,and 2 more which i do not
remember.

>
>Hyderabad-Tirupati Rayalaseema Exp.
>after the Rayalaseema region - around Tirupati?
Perfect !!!

>
>Tirupati-Visakhapatnam Tirumala Exp.
>Tirumala refers to the Venkateswara temple at Tirupati?
BINGO

>Kacheguda-Tirupati Venkatadri Exp. ??
Venkata(lord Venkateshwara)+adri = Venkatadri......its getting simpler
and
easier......is'nt it ??

>Palasa-Kacheguda Visakha Exp.
>what does Visakha refer to? Obviously, Visakhapatnam is named after
that.
Yes it is basically derived from the name Vishakapatnam. Vishaka also is
a
month in the Telugu calendar i hear. So this train could have also
started
in that month or Vishakapatnam could have got this name in a similar
fashion
?

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: More IR links

Date: 29 Sep 1999 03:17:06 -0500


Hi Vijay,

><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~subbu97/indexxm.html">http://members.tripod.com/~subbu97/indexxm.html</A>
>Check out the picture of the Green-Yellow YDM4A. If this has something
to
>do with Bangalore, then it could be the exitinct MG Tippu Exp.

This is a GOC YDM4. That clear from the front face print. If i am not
wrong
this loco has figured in one of our sites. I have to check Sundar's snap
at
Chingleput siding. That was also a similar loco.

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: Fw: request for information

Date: 29 Sep 1999 07:26:20 -0500





Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:28:37 +0100
To: irfca-request@CS.email
From: Adam Easton-Claire Wallerstein <ca@pworld.email
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Length: 1103

Hello

This may sound like a strange request, but I wonder if you can help me.
I'm
a journalist re-drafting a report for the Asian Development Bank, which
is
seeking funding to improve and modernise the railway sector in India.

The main prong of the project will be to improve freight traffic between
Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta and Chennai, although a large component will
also
involve improving the sanitation situation for the millions of poor
people
who live along the tracks by installing modern septic tank toilets on
trains and at stations. Currently vast quantities of human waste are
simply
flushed out onto the tracks, causing a considerable health risk. The
project will also introduce modern signalling and safety equipment.

Anyway, I'm trying to add more detail about the living conditions of the
railway colony dwellers, and also about Indian Railways safety. I was
wondering if you could give me any relevant information whether academic
or
anecdotal, or if you could direct me to anyone or any Internet site that
has useful information on these issues.

Many thanks - Claire Wallerstein.

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