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From: ranand <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 05:54:34 -0500


Coromandel actually comes from "Kari Manal" which
means black sand in Tamil. I think there are some famous
black sand beaches along the east coast of India.

R. Anand

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From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Danger Signs et al

Date: 14 Sep 1999 06:07:09 -0500




Dear Apurva,

I have seen two instances of this Danger Sign, which didn't have to do
with
watering, which is by far the most common occurrence.

One was on the Purushottam Exp. at MGS, when they were loading lunch
onto the
pantry car 9the Danger Sign was on the pantry car itself), the other was
on the
Bombay - Madras Mail (as opposed to the Mumbai - Chennai Mail, so you
can guess
the vintage) at GTL, when they were shunting and attaching the GTL - MAS
bogies.
This was at the front end of the train, so the WDM2 itself was doing the
shunting - you couldn't move the rake even if you had wanted to !!


Most stations (even if not electrified) have switched to side filling.
There is
no requirement for extra pressure, after all the main water tanks are
usually 25
feet from ground.

Regards

Raymond

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Train Names

Date: 14 Sep 1999 07:19:36 -0500


> Poorva Express is just the Hindi translation of the earlier name -
Eastern
> Express - part of the trioka of trains, Eastern, Western and Southern
expresses,
> all of which have been translated to Hindi.

As far as I know there never was a train called Eastern Express. The
train that became Poorva Express was always known as Air-conditioned
Express (81up/82dn via Grand Chord and 103up/104dn via Main Line) before
the renaming. Unlike the case of the Bombay train, there never was a
non-airconditioned express on the days on which the Airconditioned
Express did not run. On the Bombay route it is the train that ran on the
non-airconditioned days that was called Paschim Express before the
entire lot was named such.

--
Jishnu

From: ranand <>

Subject: The old 81/82 and 103/104

Date: 14 Sep 1999 07:57:09 -0500


In the old days (1970s), one of the delights of the abstract
timetable pages was this pair of trains (81/82 and 103/104).
On some days the train went via main lines, some days via
chord and some days started from New Delhi and on some
days from Amritsar. The only constant was the Howrah
destination.

Jishnu, do you remember the schules of these trains? It would be
an interesting exercise to plot the movement of the rakes on this
pair of trains.

R. Anand

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From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: Trams of the world

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:07:01 -0500


Dear Annie, Shankar and IRFCA,
Main thing is, trams run on rails. I personally don't think
they're
trains, strictly speaking, but they're just as interesting and just as
much
fun. I reckon that'll do.
And in Calcutta, India has one of the world's most fascinating
systems.
Cheers
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email
To: shankie@emirates.email <shankie@emirates.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: 13 September 1999 10:04
Subject: Re: Trams of the world


>S.Shankar wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Although purists may disagree, I still consider trams to be trains.
>> Basic dc emu sets, thats what they really are.
>>
>
>Model railroader's here in the US certainly consider tram's trains -
>Many model railroad clubs have a 'trolley section'
>
>
>--
>Anniepoo
>Need loco motors?
><A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
>

From: Kartik Pashupati <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:25:34 -0500


I always thought that "Coromandel" is a British corruption of "Chozha Mandalam," (territory of the Chozhas, or Cholas, depending on your transliterational preferences :->). This is akin to Egmore/ Ezhumbur, which was discussed on the list a few months back.


At 08:54 AM 9/14/99 -0400, ranand@us.email wrote:
>Coromandel actually comes from "Kari Manal" which
>means black sand in Tamil. I think there are some famous
>black sand beaches along the east coast of India.


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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:39:27 -0500


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> What a wicked name for a train! Probably done as a tribute for the
birth
> centennial of Kazi Nazrul Islam? Fitting, given that he was from the
> Barddhaman area.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:50 PM
> To: Vijay Balasubramanian
> Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur'; 'irfca@cs.email 'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
> Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
>
> Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
> Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
> "Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!

That seems a plausible explanation for this name.

Jishnu.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: The old 81/82 and 103/104

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:42:31 -0500


The 81/82 AC Deluxe exp. used to be tri-weekly and go via
Varanasi-Gaya - on two days a week, this would all the way to Amritsar
and be terminted at New Delhi on the other day. The 103/104
AC exp. used to be biweekly and go via Mirzapur-Patna - once
a week this would go till Amritsar. Later on, the frequency of
the 103/104 was increased to four days a week, and the extensions
till Amritsar where withdrawn. That still doesn't make sense to me
since the 81/82 Exp. was the only train to connect stations on the
Amritsar-Ambala-Delhi route with stations on the MGS-Dhanbad-Asansol
route. Now, this link has gone. Have to dig into my old TTs to find
out
the exact schedules.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ranand@us.email [SMTP:ranand@us.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:57 AM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: The old 81/82 and 103/104
>
> In the old days (1970s), one of the delights of the abstract
> timetable pages was this pair of trains (81/82 and 103/104).
> On some days the train went via main lines, some days via
> chord and some days started from New Delhi and on some
> days from Amritsar. The only constant was the Howrah
> destination.
>
> Jishnu, do you remember the schules of these trains? It would be
> an interesting exercise to plot the movement of the rakes on this
> pair of trains.
>
> R. Anand
>
> Internet: anand@watson.email
> External tel: (914) 784 7054
> Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> Tie-line: 863 7054
>

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:52:55 -0500


Harsh,

Agniveena was the first major (and, by far, the best) work written by
Kazi
Nazrul Islam. In some circles, it's considered the second most important
work of recent Bengali literature, after the Gitanjali (which also has a
train named after it).

My guess is, they named the train after it to commemmorate Nazrul's
100th
birth anniversary. They had a lot of festivities there, the PM visited,
etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harsh Vardhan [mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:56 AM
To: IRFCA
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance


Agniveena - wicked ?
Agniveena - Kazi Nazrul Islam ??

Literally Agniveena is Agni=fire + veena=a sitar like musical instrument
which again makes no sense. Perhaps it is a name of one of Indra's
Apsaras
as is so for many of these complex titles?!!?

DRM Asansol better have a good explanation for this weird name!!!

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'Jishnu Mukerji' <jis@fpk.email Vijay Balasubramanian
<VBalasubramanian@softrax.email
Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur' <iti@vsnl.email 'irfca@cs.email
<irfca@cs.email
'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email <pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: IR train names and their significance


>What a wicked name for a train! Probably done as a tribute for the
birth
>centennial of Kazi Nazrul Islam? Fitting, given that he was from the
>Barddhaman area.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:50 PM
>To: Vijay Balasubramanian
>Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur'; 'irfca@cs.email 'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
>Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
>
>
>Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
>Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
>"Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!
>
>--
>
>Jishnu.
>

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:53:07 -0500


Thanks again, Harsh. Everything I have snipped I have agreed with and
incorporated.

Harsh Vardhan said:

>>>>NER,MG,Sitapur Jn.,Thompsonganj
>>> No such line.
>>Little spur marked on 1980 map. I have now marked it as
inactive/absent.
> Even I've seen that map. But let me tell you, Sitapur is our native
place.
> I've never heard (nor my parents) of Thomsonganj in my life.
> Could that be some kind of TT virus?!

<very big grin>

The problem is that one person (responsible for TT, Guide Book, Map,
web) copies wrong information from another, and perpetuates a mistake.
Getting reliable data is my big problem in this project. I have found
(estimate AT LEAST) two hundred TT/map errors so far...



>>>>NR,BG,Daraganj,Prayag
>>> No such dirct link.
>>It is clearly shown in Lonely Planet sketch for Allahabad (and another
>> guide book's - but they may have copied from LP). The alleged link
allows
>> Phaphamau-Varanasi link bypassing Allahabad City and Jn. Sounds
plausible?
> My LP is July '93 and doesn't show any such link(It doesn't even show
> Phaphamau or the other bank of the Ganges. In your copy do they show
another
> railway bridge over Ganga for this link for there isn't any!


No, there is no second bridge. The bridge over the Ganges is on the
East of Daraganj, and is shared with other lines. The link is just a
bypass of A-City.


>>Many thanks! Wouldn't happen to have any more regional TTs lying
around
>>then, would you? :) Anyone else, please?
> I do have some more TTs stashed away somewhere. But I can;t say when
I'll be
> able to fish them out and get the info. Usual excuse is that I don't
seem to
> have the TTs and maps around when I have the time. Hence I started
with the
> area which is most well known to me.
> Maybe I can take care of net balance outstandings. Just give me some
time.

Sure - thanks... but don't forget. We can't have Vijay and I doing all
the work ;)


> Regards,
> Harsh


Regards to all

Larry

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:57:36 -0500


This is great stuff. My favorite ones are the Gondhwana Exp. cruising
through Adhartal
and the Bhubaneswar Rajdhani exp. I remember Adhartal station very well
since I have
traveled between Mumbai and Varanasi on a number of occasions. While
traveling
towards Mumbai, Adhartal would be a welcome sight since it would signal
the
proximity of
Jabalpur. It used to irritate me no end that, for a while, the only
superfast from Jabalpur was the
Delhi-bound Gondwana Exp. Now, we have two more superfasts through
Jabalpur
- the
Kurla-Varanasi superfast exp. and the Kurla-Patna superfast exp.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avinash Pandey [SMTP:apandey@us.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:52 AM
> To: IRFCA
> Subject: My IR pictures website
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
> The website is:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>
> I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
> pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
> maintining the current active IRFCA site
> (<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
> can add a link to my site.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash
>
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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 14 Sep 1999 08:58:47 -0500


[Thanks Vijay! - the list below is what remains (SR?WR to be added)
after I have used the information you gave yesterday]
Could someone with Regional Railway Timetables, pre-1998 Bradshaws,
reasonable maps or other sources, please provide inter-station distances
(approximate will do) and/or any missing stations in the sequence?
It is simplest to just insert the km-distance between the station names
when replying. Please, answers to irfca.
I will repeat this message as updates are received, as necessary
removing lines (because I have been given the data, or received
confirmation that the track is now scrapped) or adding some (while I
have finished inter-station distances for CR/ER/KR/NEFR/NER/NR/SCR/SER
subject to the below and SR and WR will be addressed over the
forthcoming few days) - about 80% of the total has been done so far.




I AM MISSING DISTANCES FOR THE FOLLOWING RAILWAYS,GAUGES:-

CR,BG,Airoli,Thane
CR,BG,Diva Jn.,Airoli,Ghansoli,Rabale,Mahape,Kopar
Khairane,Pavane,Turbhe
CR,BG,Dativali,Bhivandi Jn.
ER,BG,Sheakhala,Dankuni Jn.,Andul Jn.
ER,BG,Princep Ghat,Eden Gardens,BBD
Bagh,Burrabazar,Ahiritola,Sovabazar,Bagbazar,Tala,Ultadanga
Road,Bidhannagar Road
ER,BG,Ultadanga Road,Dum Dum Jn.
ER,BG,Ranaghat Jn.,Bankim Nagar Halt,Panchberia
Halt,Aranghata,Bahiragachhi Halt,Bhayana Halt,Bagula,Mayurhat,Taraknagar
Halt,Majhdia,Banpur,Harisnagar Halt,Gede
ER,BG,Lakshmikantapur,Namkhana
ER,BG,Malkera,Katrasgarh
ER,BG,Mokama Jn.,Mokama Ghat
ER,BG,Ikra Jn.,Gaurangdih
ER,BG,Damodar Jn.,Kalipahari
ER,BG,Patna Jn.,Digha
ER,BG,Hathidah Jn.,Rajendra Pul,Simaria,Garhara,Barauni Jn.
ER,BG,Sindri Marshalling Yard,1,Sindri Town,Pathardih Jn.
ER,BG,Sindri Marshalling Yard,Pathardih Jn.
NEFR,MG,Domohani,Bhottepatti,Changrabandha
NEFR,MG,Alipurduar Jn.,Alipurduar Court,Alipurduar,Baneswar,New Cooch
Behar,Cooch Behar,Dawan Hat,Bhetaguri,Dinhata College
Halt,Dinhata,Falimari,New Gitaldaha Jn.,Abutara Halt,Bamanhat
NEFR,MG,New Gitaldaha Jn.,Gitaldaha
NEFR,MG,Raja Bhat Khawa Jn.,Jayanti
NEFR,MG,Chalsa Jn.,Matiali
NEFR,MG,Agyathori Jn.,Amingaon
NR,BG,Ramganga Jn.,Chanethi
NR,MG,Bhagat-ki-Kothi,Fedusar Quarry Siding
PVT,NG,Fatuha,Hilsa,Ekangar Sarai,Islampur
SCR,BG,Sulehalli,Halakatta,Nalwar
SCR,BG,Bantanahal,Nancherla
SCR,BG,Kolhapur,Valivade,Rukadi,Hatkanangale,Nimsirgaon
Tamdalge,Jaysingpur,Miraj
Jn.,Vishrambag,Sangli,Madhavnagar,Nandre,Bhilavadi,Amnapur,Kidoskarwadi,
Takari,Bhavani
Nagar,Shenoli,Karad,Shiravade,Masur,Targaon,Rahimatpur,Koregaon,Satara,J
arandeshwar,Palsi,Wathar,Adarki,Salpa,Lonand,Nira,Walha,Daundaj,Jejuri,R
ajevadi,Ambale,Shindawane,Alandi,Phursungi,Savad Road,Ghorpuri,Pune Jn.
SCR,BG,Gudur
Jn.,Kondagunta,Vendodu,Nidigallu,Venkatagiri,Yataluru,Yellakaru,Sri
Kalahasti,Yerpedu,Renigunta Jn.
SCR,BG,Bhimavaram Town,Vendra Jn.
SCR,MG,Tirupati,Tirupati West,Chandragiri,Kotala Halt,Panapakam,Pakala
Jn.
SCR,MG,Pakala Jn.,Putalapattu,Chittor,Siddampalli,Peyanapalli
Halt,Ramapuram,Bommasamudram,Katpadi Jn.
SCR,MG,Namburu,Ladepalle
SER,BG,Santragachi Jn.,Padmapukur,Shalimar
SER,BG,Sarona,Raipur Main Line B.H.,Raipur Branch Line B.H.
SER,BG,Belha,Ghutku
SER,BG,Nagpur Jn.,Kalamna
SER,BG,Bimalgarh Jn.,Kiri Buru
SER,BG,Jakhapura Jn.,Daitari
SER,BG,Kapilas Road Jn.,Charbatia
SER,BG,Nuagaon,Purnapani
SER,BG,Panskura Jn.,Raghunathbari,Rajgoda,Saheed Matengini P.
Halt,Tamluk Jn.,Digha (W.B.)
SER,BG,Tamluk Jn.,Keshabpur,Mahisadal,Barda,Bhulyasutahata,Durga
Chak,Durga Chak Town,Silpaprabesh,Haldia
SER,BG,Gokulpur,Nimpura Jn.
SER,BG,Nimpura Jn.,Hijli Jn.
SER,BG,Rukni,Anara Jn.
SER,BG,Sanka,Joychandipahar,Garh-Dhrubeswar
SER,BG,Talgaria,Tupkadi
SER,BG,Barabil,Balani Khadan
SER,BG,Padapar,Banspani,Jaruri
SER,BG,Ramkanali,Chowka
SER,BG,Damodar Jn.,Kulti
SER,BG,Duman Hill,Darritola Jn.
SER,BG,Bhandaridah,Rajabehra,Dugdawasrery,Jamuniatanr Halt
SER,BG,Amta,Bargachia Jn.,Chanpadanga
SER,NG,Saongi Jn.,Ramrama Tola
SER,NG,Ramakona,Kachchhidhana
SER,BG,Santragachi
Jn.,Bankaranayabaz,Kona,Dansi,Jhaluarber,Makardaha,Domjur,Dakshinbari,Ba
rgachia Jn.
SER,NG,Katangi,Kachewahi Halt,Saongi Jn.,Waraseoni,Balaghat Jn.
SER,NG,Jabalpur Jn.,Howbag,Gowrighat,Jamtara-Paraswara Halt,Charghat
Piparia Halt,Burgi,Sukrimangela,Shikara,Binaiki,Ghunsore,Pindrai,Nainpur
Jn.,Padriganj,Gudru,Nagarwara,Lamta,Charegaon,Samnapur,Balaghat
Jn.,Hatta Road,Birsola,Gatra Halt,Pratap Bagh,Gondia Jn.


I apologize for bandwidth usage, but I think this is best to avoid
duplication of effort, and to get information from new sources.

BTW, in case anyone is offended when I question the source of the
information they give me - no disrespect is meant at all. It is only
that I (and many others) *know* that a lot of the reference sources are
incorrect or out-of-date (official maps, bradshaws, TTs, and Guide
Books) that knowing the source gives me a way of assessing reliability
(which is the key to my project working sensibly - else we get the
apparent 2,000 kph trains and other absurdities!!)

Thanks in advance

Regards to all

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting, questions and Re: More on train names

Date: 14 Sep 1999 09:21:18 -0500


This is exciting news - IR going for distinctive liveries for
non-Rajdhani/Shatabdi
trains. Spotting rakes with distinctive liveries has always been a major
thrill
for me - capturing them on video adds to the pleasure!! So, what trains
have distintive liveries besides the Rajs/Shatabdis?

Mumbai - Karnavati, Vidharba, DQ, Deccan, Sinhagad, Indrayani,
Panchavati,
Mumbai-Madgaon
Any others?

Chennai - GT, Coromandel, Nilagiri, Sapthagiri. Brindavan? How about
Tamilnadu Exp. - does it continue
to share rakes with GT? Brindavan?

Hyderabad/Secunderabad - Narayanadri, Krishna, Gautami. Any others?

Howrah - Coromandel. Any others? Sri Jagannath? Dhauli? Gitanjali?

Anand, can you describe the dark/light blue livery in further detail?
Better yet, could you scan some
of these photos (assuming that you snapped up these beauties).

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anand Krishnan [SMTP:krish_nand@hotmail.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:10 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Trainspotting, questions and Re: More on train names
>
> Hi all,
> Just returned from a trip to Chennai. My ever reliable 7054Dn
was
> this time very unusually hauled by a WDM2B(~~16007 KZJ). Can anyone
please
>
> list out the differences between 2B and 2C. This loco one could have
> entered
> that Smoke Spewing competition and won it in style. But good work, we
were
>
> 15 min before time at Guntur.
> Now for the second question.
> We were hauled by a WAG-5P(23666 BZA)from Guntur. Now is this
a
> new
> variant of WAG5s. I have not come across 5P. There are
WAG5s,A,B,HA,HB,HAE
>
> etc. Anyone having some insight into this series ??. And good show
again
> we
> were 15 early at MAS. I think it was a rare occassion for SR that day
'coz
>
> the electronic display showed R/T(right time) for all the trains on
the
> Arrival side.
> Erode shed has accquired a hoard of WAG5s and WAG7s (i think a massive

> relocation from AJNI 'coz those typical red white stripes have been
> retained). Spotted a KJM WDM2A at Tondiarpet deisel shed.
> I have been observing a few trains that have been using a
> non-maroon, uniform livery during my visits. GT has half of its
coaches
> cream and green.Coromandel has the dark blue-light blue livery now.
These
> rakes are not new evident from their serial number. The existing rakes
> have
> been over-hauled and the new colour given. The other set of rakes for
the
> pairing train is new. Blue mountain Exp. now has typical dark blue
livery.
>
> Narayanadri Exp.has 2 sets off brand new light blue-dark-blue rakes
and so
>
> does Krishna Exp and Gautami Exp.
> So my third quesion. Is IR going in for a new colour
> combination
> for all trains ?.
> My return saw a 22231 LGD WAP4 untiringly pulling the
2759UP
> arriving 20 min before time at Sec'bad. It only showed that all trains
> have
> been given a lot of running time and its nothing to feel excited about

> trains being before time.
>
> >5 PEARL CITY EXP (HEY SOUNDS GOOD !)
> Tuticorin is considerded to be the city of Pearls. BTW please dont
> utter
> this name to the clerk at Chennai Central 'coz U would be quickly
> corrected
> and asked to say "Muthu Nagar Exp". This is the translation of Pearl
City
> in
> Tamil.
>
> >6 RANI CHENNAMMA EXP
> In memory of some Queen or pseudo-Rani jhansi of karnataka ????
>
> Kind regards,
> Anand
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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: The old 81/82 and 103/104

Date: 14 Sep 1999 09:30:10 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
>
> The 81/82 AC Deluxe exp. used to be tri-weekly and go via
> Varanasi-Gaya - on two days a week, this would all the way to Amritsar
> and be terminted at New Delhi on the other day. The 103/104
> AC exp. used to be biweekly and go via Mirzapur-Patna - once
> a week this would go till Amritsar. Later on, the frequency of
> the 103/104 was increased to four days a week, and the extensions
> till Amritsar where withdrawn. That still doesn't make sense to me
> since the 81/82 Exp. was the only train to connect stations on the
> Amritsar-Ambala-Delhi route with stations on the MGS-Dhanbad-Asansol
> route. Now, this link has gone. Have to dig into my old TTs to find
out
> the exact schedules.

All the following is from vague memory of times long gone.

Originally back in the early 60s there was 81up/82dn bi-weekly
Airconditioned Express via Grand Chord. At this time this train did not
run via Varanasi. Also in the early 60s for a period, this train shared
rakes with the New Delhi - Madras AC Express. This led to significant
delays because the New Delhi - Madras AC Express was notorious for
getting delayed. These rakes were pre-integral coach rakes constructed
at Jessops and finished at the Kharagpur workshop, if memory serves me
right. These days it was a 22 hour or so train.

Then around '63/'64 or so came the integral coach rakes. When these
rakes were introduced, 81/82 became tri-weekly, and the rake link with
Madras AC Express was broken and replaced by a link with the Bombay AC
express, including the weekly jaunt to Amritsar. Even at this point
81/82 was Steam hauled all the way. These integral rakes had a neat two
car airconditioned kitchen cum restaurant car combos. It was a lot of
fun having dinner in the restaurant those days.

Then around 1968 or so, I think a little before the Howrah Rajdhani was
introduced, the weekly via Patna 103/104 was introduced, and I believe
for a period 103/104 ran in the same slot west of MGS, and ran in
different slots east of Asansol. Naturally 81/82 was about two hours
faster than 103/104. Then after the introduction of the Rajdhani someone
came up with the idea that 81/82 and 103/104 could use the same slot
east of Asansol if 81/82 could be routed via Varanasi, slowing it down
some, and if 103/104 were speeded up some, around this time 103/104 was
bi-weekly and 81/82 was triweekly, and of course Rajdhani when
introduced was bi-weekly, thus covering all seven days of the week with
a Deluxe train.

Then progressively the frequency of 103/104 (and of 101/102 Rajdhani)
was increased, and finally 105/106 Rajdhani via Patna was introduced
etc.

Please do take the dates in this message with a pinch of salt since I
don't exactly remember. But the general alignment of the schedules is
more accurate I think.

Jishnu.
--
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Systems Architect

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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Trainspotting, questions and Re: More on train names

Date: 14 Sep 1999 10:09:31 -0500


Hi all,
Just returned from a trip to Chennai. My ever reliable 7054Dn
was
this time very unusually hauled by a WDM2B(~~16007 KZJ). Can anyone
please
list out the differences between 2B and 2C. This loco one could have
entered
that Smoke Spewing competition and won it in style. But good work, we
were
15 min before time at Guntur.
Now for the second question.
We were hauled by a WAG-5P(23666 BZA)from Guntur. Now is this a
new
variant of WAG5s. I have not come across 5P. There are
WAG5s,A,B,HA,HB,HAE
etc. Anyone having some insight into this series ??. And good show again
we
were 15 early at MAS. I think it was a rare occassion for SR that day
'coz
the electronic display showed R/T(right time) for all the trains on the
Arrival side.
Erode shed has accquired a hoard of WAG5s and WAG7s (i think a massive
relocation from AJNI 'coz those typical red white stripes have been
retained). Spotted a KJM WDM2A at Tondiarpet deisel shed.
I have been observing a few trains that have been using a
non-maroon, uniform livery during my visits. GT has half of its coaches
cream and green.Coromandel has the dark blue-light blue livery now.
These
rakes are not new evident from their serial number. The existing rakes
have
been over-hauled and the new colour given. The other set of rakes for
the
pairing train is new. Blue mountain Exp. now has typical dark blue
livery.
Narayanadri Exp.has 2 sets off brand new light blue-dark-blue rakes and
so
does Krishna Exp and Gautami Exp.
So my third quesion. Is IR going in for a new colour
combination
for all trains ?.
My return saw a 22231 LGD WAP4 untiringly pulling the 2759UP
arriving 20 min before time at Sec'bad. It only showed that all trains
have
been given a lot of running time and its nothing to feel excited about
trains being before time.

>5 PEARL CITY EXP (HEY SOUNDS GOOD !)
Tuticorin is considerded to be the city of Pearls. BTW please dont
utter
this name to the clerk at Chennai Central 'coz U would be quickly
corrected
and asked to say "Muthu Nagar Exp". This is the translation of Pearl
City in
Tamil.

>6 RANI CHENNAMMA EXP
In memory of some Queen or pseudo-Rani jhansi of karnataka ????

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Agniveena Exp.(was Re: IR train names and their significance).

Date: 14 Sep 1999 10:46:03 -0500


Oh, uh, uh! Caught on the wrong foot!
Didn't know about this at all.

It is appropriately named then all right. Thanks for the info.

Harsh

P.S. Is Agniveena the name of some character in the book?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'Harsh Vardhan' <hvc@vsnl.email IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: IR train names and their significance


>Harsh,
>
>Agniveena was the first major (and, by far, the best) work written by
Kazi
>Nazrul Islam. In some circles, it's considered the second most
important
>work of recent Bengali literature, after the Gitanjali (which also has
a
>train named after it).
>
>My guess is, they named the train after it to commemmorate Nazrul's
100th
>birth anniversary. They had a lot of festivities there, the PM visited,
etc.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Harsh Vardhan [mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:56 AM
>To: IRFCA
>Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
>
>
>Agniveena - wicked ?
>Agniveena - Kazi Nazrul Islam ??
>
>Literally Agniveena is Agni=fire + veena=a sitar like musical
instrument
>which again makes no sense. Perhaps it is a name of one of Indra's
Apsaras
>as is so for many of these complex titles?!!?
>
>DRM Asansol better have a good explanation for this weird name!!!
>
>Harsh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
>To: 'Jishnu Mukerji' <jis@fpk.email Vijay Balasubramanian
><VBalasubramanian@softrax.email
>Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur' <iti@vsnl.email 'irfca@cs.email
<irfca@cs.email
>'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email <pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
>Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:18 PM
>Subject: RE: IR train names and their significance
>
>
>>What a wicked name for a train! Probably done as a tribute for the
birth
>>centennial of Kazi Nazrul Islam? Fitting, given that he was from the
>>Barddhaman area.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
>>Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:50 PM
>>To: Vijay Balasubramanian
>>Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur'; 'irfca@cs.email 'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
>>Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
>>
>>
>>Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
>>Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
>>"Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!
>>
>>--
>>
>>Jishnu.
>>
>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: ]Mail from OVPL

Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:32:00 -0500

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Battery locomotives

Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:32:19 -0500


Hello Mr. Dhanapaul,
COunt me in too!
I think one battery locomotive was tried out on the Gwalior lines a few
years back.
What came of it? Was it manufactured by you? Any photos of these battery
locos, as well as the S & N and Ventra locomotives of the past? I can
scan and upload them for all to see.
Cheers.
Shankar.
PS: And thanks for your compliments on my memory! I'm so very obsessed
with trains and the IR that things simply stick in my mind forever! :-)
Cheers.
Shankar
S Pai wrote:
>
> Dear Sri Dhanapaul,
>
> Your contact information was forwarded by Apurva Bahadur. I am
interested
> in learning about the battery locomotives you produce. Are they in
use
> by Indian Railways, or are they manufactured for other countries? I
presume
> they are meant for use as shunters, mostly? What gauges, horsepower,
etc.?
> What kind of batteries are in use (number and capacity)? What are the
> wheel and bogie arrangements? What is the distance range and top
speed?
>
> Thanks in advance for any information you can provide on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Satish

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:32:30 -0500


Hello,
Indeed. In fact, some Howrah-Amritsar trains bypass Delhi completely and
go via Lucknow-Sahranpur instead.
Is the line electrified now? It was one of those diesel pockets in
electric territory as I last know, though electrification work was in
progress.
Cheers.
Shankar



Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Saharanpur is about 200km north of New Delhi. It's on the line between
> Lucknow-Ambala-Kalka line, just north of Laksar, where the line for
Dehradun
> branches off.
>
> You can get to Saharanpur from New Delhi by taking the Dehradun
Shatabdi (2
> hrs. 40 minutes) or Mumbai-Dehradun Exp. (5 hrs. 15 minutes).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [mailto:tmwake@warwick.email
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:50 PM
> To: Apurva Bahadur
> Cc: irfca
> Subject: Re: BG Steam.
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> The locos will
> > be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
> > shed can take BG and has a TT /T.
>
> Apurva,
>
> Where is Saharanpur located?
>
> Tim

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 14 Sep 1999 13:32:30 -0500


Hello,
Indeed. In fact, some Howrah-Amritsar trains bypass Delhi completely and
go via Lucknow-Sahranpur instead.
Is the line electrified now? It was one of those diesel pockets in
electric territory as I last know, though electrification work was in
progress.
Cheers.
Shankar



Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Saharanpur is about 200km north of New Delhi. It's on the line between
> Lucknow-Ambala-Kalka line, just north of Laksar, where the line for
Dehradun
> branches off.
>
> You can get to Saharanpur from New Delhi by taking the Dehradun
Shatabdi (2
> hrs. 40 minutes) or Mumbai-Dehradun Exp. (5 hrs. 15 minutes).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [mailto:tmwake@warwick.email
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:50 PM
> To: Apurva Bahadur
> Cc: irfca
> Subject: Re: BG Steam.
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> The locos will
> > be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
> > shed can take BG and has a TT /T.
>
> Apurva,
>
> Where is Saharanpur located?
>
> Tim

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