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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 00:04:28 -0500


> Anyway, talking of trains, one of the names that I like a lot is the
> "Barak Valley Express."

My favourite too, I remember lovely shots of this YDM 4 hauled train
through
deep Assamese forest in the very last episode of the TV serial Yatra. I
think
Barak is a river in that area. There is also a Pench Valley express
somewhere.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 00:46:33 -0500


What a great site ! Wonder where the NG loco came from to KGP, is
there a NG line near by ? As far as the type and number is concerned
(woh Buffer beam pe likha heh mere Yaar) this is # 32 class ZE
power, Typically the Barsi Light Railway and the Satpura railways
were famous for using this loco. But what is the KGP connection ?
Maybe Satpura railways = SER and KGP is the HQ of SER.

Apurva

Avinash Pandey wrote:

> Hi everyone:
>
> I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
> The website is:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>
> I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
> pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
> maintining the current active IRFCA site
> (<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
> can add a link to my site.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
> Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
> 500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
> Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> What a great site ! Wonder where the NG loco came from to KGP, is
> there a NG line near by ? As far as the type and number is concerned
> (woh Buffer beam pe likha heh mere Yaar) this is # 32 class ZE
> power, Typically the Barsi Light Railway and the Satpura railways
> were famous for using this loco. But what is the KGP connection ?
> Maybe Satpura railways = SER and KGP is the HQ of SER.
>
> Apurva
>
ZE 32 was allocated to Gondia in 1979 (Hughes, Part One). It was
possibly at Ranchi in 1987 ( I'll need to check this).

-John Lacey

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Train Names

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:26:15 -0500




Dear gang,

My two bits...

Poorva Express is just the Hindi translation of the earlier name -
Eastern
Express - part of the trioka of trains, Eastern, Western and Southern
expresses,
all of which have been translated to Hindi.

Gondwana Express - I asked my dad, who is a big honcho geologist (he's
88 now).
He said that the continental drift was discovered by a geologist called
Hughes
(of the Geological Survey of India) back in the 1850's after he compared
fossils
from India, Africa and Australia. He named this large land mass
"Gondwanaland"
after the Gonds, who still inhabit tribal areas in the area around
Nagpur. So
Gondwana and Nagpur - bang on.

Mangala Lakshadweep Express - must be a lot of truth as to have a train
named
after each Indian State - remember our debate about Andaman Express.
Also
Calicut (Kozhikode) was the adminstrative capital of Lakshadweep (in
those days
when they were the Laccadive, Minicoy and Amandivi (?) Islands).

Does any of you know of where these states "have" their trains :

Kashmir
Rajasthan
Uttar Pradesh
Bihar
West Bengal
Sikkim
Mizoram
Nagaland
Orissa (or will Utkal do ?)
Madhya Pradesh
Pondicherry
Dadra and Nagar Haveli
Daman and Diu


Regards

Raymond

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:35:30 -0500




>Re: Delhi-Jodhpur "Mandore" express.
>Mandore was the capital of Marwad State (anglicized to Marker) before
King
>Rao Jodhaji moved it to Jodhpur in 1458. Mandore is about six miles
from
>Jodhpur and has own station on Jodhpur - Rai ka Bagh- Pipar Road line.


Sorry, Mandor is 11 Km on Jodhpur - Jaisalmer route thru' Rai-Ka-Bagh
Palace Jn.
Pipar Road is the other line from the Junction.

Harsh

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Bombay VT (CSTM) remodelling/Churchgate questions

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:47:02 -0500


Hi!

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, T.H.Sanyal. wrote:

> Did they also have to divert some long-distance trains away from VT,
> or did the expansion of VT Main take care of that?

All the main line trains originating from CST ,continued to do so
during the remodelling.

> I remember Thana locals via Harbour branch that would switch to
> the through lines at Kurla, therefore not stop at Vidyavihar,
> then switch to local lines at Ghatkopar, and then run all stop to
> Thana. Running these trains had a serious detrimental effect on
> line capacity. Do these trains still run, or are they discontinued?

Yes, that's was the case some years ago. Now there are no harbour trains
coming & going out of Thane.

> Isn't there a foot overbridge across Veer Nariman Road straight out
> of Churchgate?

There is a foot over bridge , not exactly from Churchgate station exit
but it is some distance away towards Purohit Hotel side. But this one
hardly used by pedestrians, as a subway serves the purpose of crossing
the
streets.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:55:56 -0500


Agniveena - wicked ?
Agniveena - Kazi Nazrul Islam ??

Literally Agniveena is Agni=fire + veena=a sitar like musical instrument
which again makes no sense. Perhaps it is a name of one of Indra's
Apsaras
as is so for many of these complex titles?!!?

DRM Asansol better have a good explanation for this weird name!!!

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'Jishnu Mukerji' <jis@fpk.email Vijay Balasubramanian
<VBalasubramanian@softrax.email
Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur' <iti@vsnl.email 'irfca@cs.email
<irfca@cs.email
'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email <pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: IR train names and their significance


>What a wicked name for a train! Probably done as a tribute for the
birth
>centennial of Kazi Nazrul Islam? Fitting, given that he was from the
>Barddhaman area.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:50 PM
>To: Vijay Balasubramanian
>Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur'; 'irfca@cs.email 'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
>Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance
>
>
>Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
>Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
>"Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!
>
>--
>
>Jishnu.
>

From: Suresh Mutuswami <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 01:58:32 -0500



On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> Thanks for your valuable input, Apurva, Prateep, Harsh. Continuing
onto
> 2xxx trains - superfasts -
>
>
> Chennai-Tiruchchi Pallavan Exp.
> Pallavan empire. Details?

The Pallavan Express nomenclature has already been discussed by Shanku.
But on the same Chennai-Tiruchchi route, we have the wonderfully (and
appropriately) named Rockfort Express. Any visitor to Tiruchchi will
testify that the most arresting feature of the place is the "rock" and
the
fort/temple complex atop it.

Incidentally, I don't think that the Tamil Nadu state (road) transport
corporation is named "Pallavan" anymore. Basically, too many
(politician)
names started getting associated with the various state transport
corporations. The Karunanidhi government got rid of all (personal)
names
at one stroke, and renamed them as plain "State Transport Corporation"
(or
equivalent in Tamil). Even the Chennai bus system is now simply called
(the equivalent in Tamil of) "Metropolitan Transport System."

> Chennai-New Delhi Grand Trunk Exp.
> after the Grand Trunk road laid from Punjab to Bengal by Sher
Shah
> Suri. When?

I don't think this has anything to do with the Grand Trunk Road. My
personal feeling (I had made this point sometime back as well.) is that
as
a pre-Independence era train, the name probably reflects the imagination
of some Britisher. One can (with some imagination) think of the
Delhi-Chennai route as a line running down the "middle" of India and
this may have given rise to the name "Grand Trunk." Just my personal
feeling - I have no evidence to back it up. (Possibly similar
considerations may led to the Sher Shah Suri built road being
dubbed "Grand Trunk Road" by the British. Btw, did the road have any
name prior to "Grand Trunk Road"?)

Another interesting name is the Chennai-Howrah Coromandel Express
which I guess is named for the Coromandel coast. Though, I don't see
how
the British managed to take the Tamil "Cholamandalam" which is a
historical term referring to an aspect of the Chola Kingdoms, and
transformed it into the name for the entire East coast! (But then, I
suppose, one can ask how the "Ya Hasan, Ya Hussain" cry of Muharram
became "Hobson-Jobson.")

Lastly, any idea as to why the Lucknow-Jodhpur Marudhar Express is so
named?

Suresh

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Confusion about Gondwana Exp.(was Re: IR train names and their significance).

Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:00:07 -0500


To add further to the confusion, there is no mention of the Mahamaya
Exp. in
the current CR/SER TTs. All parts of this train whether to
Nagpur/Bhusawal,
Jabalpur or Bilaspur are now called Gondwana Exp!

Technically speaking, the nomenclature seems to be correct.

But what a confusion - Calling three different trains by the same name.

Harsh


>2) Bilaspur/Nagpur-Hazrat Nizamuddin Mahamaya Express
> + Jabalpur Hazrat-Nizamuddin Gondwana Express.
>
>There is a lot of confusion about this train. I can clarify some of
>it, as I am from Jabalpur where half of the train originates
>and I personally have travelled by this train many many times.
>
>The Jabalpur-half of the train is called Gondwana Express,
>a tribute to the tribal areas surrounding Jabalpur.
>These area are include: parts of Jabalpur district,
>Mandla, Balaghat (north of Gondia) , Kanha
>national forest, Dindori, etc. These places (except Kanha)
>are quite low-key and hence unheard of.
>
>The other half of the train originates at Bilaspur
>or Nagpur (depending on the day of the week). Bilaspur
>is famous for the Mahamaya temple and hence the name
>Mahamaya Express.
>
>The two halves of the train meet at Bina junction for
>onward journey to Hazrat Nizamuddin. Note- Niether
>part of the train touches Bhusaval. I've some
>pictures of this train at:
><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>
>Avinash
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
>Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
>500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
>Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho
>
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:04:19 -0500


>
> ZE 32 was allocated to Gondia in 1979 (Hughes, Part One). It was
> possibly at Ranchi in 1987 ( I'll need to check this).

Sorry, I forgot that Rachi was a great center of the ZE class.

>
>
> -John Lacey

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:16:06 -0500


The danger sign near the mighty WAP is to warn the drivers not to
move the train. It is being rewatered right now. This is more
important in the non electrified territory, where a man climbs on
the roof to fill the tanks, so train must not be moved. Although
all the BG passenger rolling stock on the IR seems to have side as
well as top filling of toilet water tanks, in the electrified
section the filling is naturally from the side while in diesel
territory the man usually climbs on the top. There seems to be a
relation here, electric section = high water pressure, hence side
filling. I wonder if the gang has similar observation.

Avinash Pandey wrote:

> Hi everyone:
>
> I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
> The website is:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>
> I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
> pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
> maintining the current active IRFCA site
> (<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
> can add a link to my site.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
> Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
> 500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
> Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: train names

Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:34:16 -0500



Hi Gang,

Here are some names of the trains I like.

1. Frontier Mail.
2. Grand Trunk Express.
3. Punjab Mail.
4. Rock Fort Express.
5. Pink City Express.
6. Delux (now Paschim Express).
7. Taj Express.
8. Deccan Queen.
9. Rajdhani Express.
10. Shetrunji Express.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 02:36:26 -0500


> Kurla-Howrah Samarasata SD Exp. ??
>I can't even figure out which language this might be in, or how it
might
>be pronounced, from the English spelling.


This is 2103/4 Kurla - Nagpur Super Deluxe Exp. Sammrishtra (that's how
it
should be I think) is from Sanskrit and means refined. Maybe denoting in
upper class only status of the train!!!

However hats off to CR for coming up with the tounge twisters and their
funny spellings.

> Patna-New Delhi Magadh Exp.
> after the Magadh empire (near ??) under Chandragupta Maurya?
>Yes, Pataliputra = modern-day Patna.
> Patna-New Delhi Shramjeevi Exp.
> shram = work, jeevi = living being, anything to do with
farmers?
>No idea. A Marxist reference to the proletariat? :-)


Well, if one train is named after the empire(whose?!?) it is probably
right
to name the other after the peasants. Incidently Shramjeevi means `those
who
live off physical labour'.

> Chennai-New Delhi Grand Trunk Exp.
> after the Grand Trunk road laid from Punjab to Bengal by Sher
Shah
> Suri. When?
>I don't recall the dates here. But it is curious that a north-south
>railway (Peshawar-Mangalore, then Delhi-Madras) was named for the more
>east-west route which the road takes. Perhaps the idea was that the
>train would have the same impact and achieve the same fame as the road
>with which it shared a name.


>The original G.T. was from peshawar to Calcutta so the train did share
some
of its >route. Even otherwise it was the Grand Trunk route/train of the
railways in those days.
>The "SD" in some of the names stands for "Super Deluxe", I presume.
>Is there any systematic way that this term is applied? Is there any
>difference in the facilities or accommodations between an "SD" and a
>non-"SD" express? (If not, does it run faster, at least, or have
>fewer halts?)


SDs in other words Rajdhani Exp.s which do not touch Delhi. i.e. they
have
only 1A, 2A and 3A accomodation.

Harsh

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 03:11:03 -0500


Hello Avinash,
Nice pictures, esp. the real real closeup of the mighty WAP/1 with the
danger sign. The Coromandel coasting leisurely was nict too, save for a
light-ish band running along the bottom of the pic.
Bravo,Keep them rolling in: we want more and more and more!!!
Only, next time, try saving the pics in jpeg or jpg format. Gif are
usually meant for low resolution images, eg. for banners etc.

Cheers.
Shankar



Avinash Pandey wrote:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
> The website is:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>
> I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
> pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
> maintining the current active IRFCA site
> (<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
> can add a link to my site.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
> Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
> 500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
> Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 03:31:50 -0500


Thanks for the great inputs :-

>> Patna-New Delhi Magadh Exp.
>> after the Magadh empire (near ??) under Chandragupta Maurya?
>The official title is "Magadh Vikramshila Exp", which is an ancient
>university near Bhagalpur, in the Magadh district of Bihar.
>> Patna-New Delhi Shramjeevi Exp.
>> shram = work, jeevi = living being, anything to do with farmers?
>A reference to poor working people. Probably a populist title for a
train.


Well if one train is named after the empire(whose?!) then perhaps it is
right to name the other one after the poor peasants. Literally
Shramjeevi
means `those who live off physical labour'(as opposed to those who live
off
their wit - `Buddhijeevi')

>> Mumbai-Jammu Tawi Swaraj Exp.
>> swaraj = independence
>Another generally coined train.


This was simply known as Superfast Express and was renamed to Swaraj
Exp. in
1992 - the 50th anniversary of Quit India Movement.


>> New Delhi-Amritsar Shan-e-Punjab Exp.
>> shan = pride, Shan-e-Punjab = Punjab's pride
>Shan-e-Punjab may also be a Sikh folk festival?


No such thing.

Harsh

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 04:06:41 -0500


Hi Gang !
Another of my famous train name is Toofan EXpress, though I hope it
also
ran like toofan !
Falaknama Express too sounds good !
Just saw the new TAAG copy that I have and saw the Name "KONKAN STAR
EXPRESS" It is the 2nd train on the train index page. Coramandel
Express
too sounds really sweet !

what about Nauchandi Express folks between Allahabad and Shahranpur ?
and Sexiest name Shalimar Express !
AND ALSO CHETAK EXP.

There are many unheard names like the ones that follow
1 Baidyanathdas Exp - PURI- PATNA
2 NARAYANADRI EXP - TIRUPATY -SECUNDERABAD
3 SIMHADRI EXP
4 KAGAZNAGAR EXP
5 PEARL CITY EXP (HEY SOUNDS GOOD !)
6 RANI CHENNAMMA EXP
7 KANPUR KASGANJ PAWAR EXP ( DESCENDANT OF SHARAD OR LALITA PAWAR FROM
THESE PLACES !)

THERE COULD BE MANY THAT I CAN LIST BUT THESE ARE WITH QUAINT NAMES.

MUMBAI DIV FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION ( OF COURSE IT IS
OPEN TO ALL)

WHICH IS THE OLDER TRAIN A) FRONTIER MAIL B) PUNJAB MAIL C) CALCUTTA
MAIL
(1 DN)

THERE WAS ALWAYS A SORT OF COMPETITION BETWEEN BB AND CI AND GIP (WR AND
CR) PARSEES USED TO HAVE AN ABBREVIATED CODES FOR BOTH THESE RLYS
( THE PARSEES OF YORE AND THIS DAY WERE AND ARE FAMOUS FOR IT. MAJORITY
PARSI POPULATION IN EARLY DAYS WERE EMPLOYED WITH RLYS)

BB AND CI = BADI BAANCHOD AND CHOR INDIA RAILWAY
GIP = GHATI ITHU PANDU RAILWAY.

PLS NO OFFENCES TO ANYONE ON THIS. DELETE IF IT HURTS ANYONES
SENTIMENTS

BNR USED TO BE BADI NALAAYAK RAILWAY !





PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 04:12:24 -0500


KGP is the biggest w/s of SER but it is not the HQ(which is Garden
Reach,
Calcutta).
KGP w/s used to overhaul the locos of the NG lines on the east coast.
The
loco in question (although Iam yet to browse the website) is from Ranchi
-
Lohardaga line and it was earlier working on the Satpura lines.


Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Avinash Pandey <apandey@us.email
Cc: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: My IR pictures website


>What a great site ! Wonder where the NG loco came from to KGP, is
>there a NG line near by ? As far as the type and number is concerned
>(woh Buffer beam pe likha heh mere Yaar) this is # 32 class ZE
>power, Typically the Barsi Light Railway and the Satpura railways
>were famous for using this loco. But what is the KGP connection ?
>Maybe Satpura railways = SER and KGP is the HQ of SER.
>
>Apurva
>
>Avinash Pandey wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
>> The website is:
>>
>> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>
>>
>> I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
>> pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
>> maintining the current active IRFCA site
>> (<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
>> can add a link to my site.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Avinash
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
>> Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
>> 500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
>> Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> "Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject:

Date: 14 Sep 1999 04:29:40 -0500


Dear Anurag,
                    Can you please add Rob to the mailing list.
 
He is probably the most knowledgeable person on the subject current steam scenario world-wide and does have a wonderful webpage.If you haven't visited yet, please do.
 
Rob, when you are online, can you please send a brief note ( to irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email ) introducing yourself and your activities for the benefit of all members.
 
Regards,
 
Harsh

From: Avinash Pandey <>

Subject: My IR pictures website

Date: 14 Sep 1999 04:51:47 -0500



Hi everyone:

I've posted my humble collection of IR pictures on the web.
The website is:

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>

I welcome your questions, comments, suggestions about the
pictures or the website. It would be great if the person who is
maintining the current active IRFCA site
(<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm)</A>
can add a link to my site.

Thanks
Avinash

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Avinash Pandey ~ Phone: 650 607 3717
Oracle Corporation ~ Fax : 650 506 7800
500 Oracle Parkway 3OP7 ~ Email: apandey@us.email
Redwood Shores CA 94065 ~ URL : www.oracle.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Life has no obligation to meet your expectations." -Osho

From: Avinash Pandey <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 14 Sep 1999 05:39:32 -0500



My contributions to this interesting discusiion:


1) Gwalior-Hazrat Nizamuddin Taj Express:

It has been rightly noted earlier, when introduced the train ran
between New Delhi-Agra (Cantt). Madhav Rao Scindia as Railways
Minister got it extended upto Gwalior, his home constituency until
the current general elections.

2) Bilaspur/Nagpur-Hazrat Nizamuddin Mahamaya Express
+ Jabalpur Hazrat-Nizamuddin Gondwana Express.

There is a lot of confusion about this train. I can clarify some of
it, as I am from Jabalpur where half of the train originates
and I personally have travelled by this train many many times.

The Jabalpur-half of the train is called Gondwana Express,
a tribute to the tribal areas surrounding Jabalpur.
These area are include: parts of Jabalpur district,
Mandla, Balaghat (north of Gondia) , Kanha
national forest, Dindori, etc. These places (except Kanha)
are quite low-key and hence unheard of.

The other half of the train originates at Bilaspur
or Nagpur (depending on the day of the week). Bilaspur
is famous for the Mahamaya temple and hence the name
Mahamaya Express.

The two halves of the train meet at Bina junction for
onward journey to Hazrat Nizamuddin. Note- Niether
part of the train touches Bhusaval. I've some
pictures of this train at:
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3793/irpix.html</A>

Avinash
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