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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:44:41 -0500


HVC said to S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email

> Mahuva is still very much on IR! In fact it is a fairly big coaching
Depot.
>
> The 30 Km line from Rajula Jn. to Mahuva sees three passenger trains a
day
> in each direction.
>
> Ahemedabad - Mahuva(via Dhola, Dhasa) is under the gauge conversion
plan
> although actual work had not started till late '98.


Absolutely correct, and I knew this.. So why does the "Jn." status
STILL remain for Mahuva?? (Current bradshaw, recent WR TT)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
> To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email lwebber@planetmail.email
> <lwebber@planetmail.email
> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?
>
> Regarding Mahuva Jn.; the complete NG line between Bhavnagar and
> Mahuva Jn. was closed down in the late eighties and later the tracks
> were also removed thus Mahuva Jn. may no longer be there on the
> railway map of India or maybe even if it is mentioned in the map the
> railway line will be non-existent.
> Sarosh.

This is not correct.



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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:46:44 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji said:

> Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:

> > > My large GOI rail map shows a junction-point station
> > > called "Juhi" a few kms west of Kanpur Central. I can
> > > find no trace of it in other sources... What is it? Is it
> > > an alternative name for Kanpur Anwarganj? (Just a guess).

> > Juhi is the point where the line to Jhansi bifurcates from
> > the mainline (Kanpur-Delhi). It is not a passenger halt.
> > The Central Railway Zone starts from Juhi onwards.
> > From Kanpur, towards west, the first station is Govindpuri.
> > Then comes Juhi (not a station), the line bifurcates.
> > The next station towards Jhansi is Bhimsen, and the
> > next station towards Delhi is "Panki". So Govindpuri
> > is a junction according to your strict definition.
>
> Interestingly in times past, the name of the station also was Juhi. It
> was changed to Govindpuri circa 1970s.


And this is why my GOI map shows "Juhi", I think. Thanks, Dheeraj &
Jishnu!


> > The line to Anwarganj bifurcates from Kanpur Central itself.
> > This is the MG line, and the stations are Central, Anwarganj,
> > Rawatpur, Kalyanpur, etc. (And IIT is located near Kalyanpur
station.)
>
> Also interesting factoid from my hazy recollection (I am sure Dheeraj
> will correct me if I am wrong:)) ... Kanpur Central is strictly
speaking
> not on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line. It is on a spur that is
> aligned in the direction of Lucknow(?). A single track line connects
> Kanpur Central to Chandari on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line, and
> has always been a cause for delays. All Delhi - Mughal Sarai goods
> trains bypass Kanpur Central along the line that connects Govindpuri
> with Chandari.
> Jishnu.


I would really like to know this.




Also, Prateep Chatterjee wrote:

>Isn't Juhi supposed to be the yard of Kanpur Central and is located
near
>Govindpuri because of lack of space availability at Kanpur Central
>station itself ?


I think that is the current position. But in the old days, Govindpuri
was called Juhi too.


>And, doesn't the line to Jhansi bifurcate after
>Govindpuri (just after the overbridge) ? As one travels from CNB
towards
>NDLS, Juhi comes first, then Govindpuri and then Panki.


Still would make Govindpuri the effective Junction, per my strict
program definition (exactly as Dheeraj said).





The other two questions (re Lucknow and Barauni) remain:-

In Lucknow, the GOI map shows a key station called "Dilkusha", just NW
of Utraitiya Jn. As before, no trace elsewhere... What is it? Could
someone give me a rough idea of relative positions/tracks between
Lucknow Jn., City, Aishbagh, Utraitiya, Daliganj and this "Dilkusha".
Whether or not this Dilkusha exists, at Daliganj (on Lucknow-Sitapur NER
line) is there also a bypass line which joins the Lucknow-Barabanki
route?


Lastly, a few kms east of Barauni Jn., the map shows a little loop.

BARAUNI-------!!!---------------SAHEBPUR KAMAL
\ /
\ /
??? What is the "???" and "!!!" ?



Regards & thanks to all

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:48:37 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian said:

> A junction in IR is where three or more lines meet - parallel MG/BG is
> considered as one line. Zonal changeover points
> are not junctions unless they meet the above criterion.


I concur.


> Balharshah is not a junction.


I completely agree. But the GOI map does not, it shows it capitalized
in a way which is for junctions only (not just changeover points from
one railway to another)... I'll assume it was just a map error.


> Chopan is a junction. Lines to Chunar, Garwa Rd. and Singrauli.


I do NOT agree. The line from Chopan to the last two goes to Billi
Junction (identified as such in the Bradshaw) and only THEN bifurcates
to Garwa Road and Singrauli.

So, why is Chopan a Junction? :-)

> Vijay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lwebber@planetmail.email [SMTP:lwebber@planetmail.email
> >
> > "JUNCTIONS" THAT AREN'T?
> >
> > All of the following are called Junctions, but do not meet "my" >2
routes
> > criterion. Is the reason I have given in brackets the correct reason
for
> > their being called Junctions? Please, I am not hung up about
"Junctions"
> > ;-) - but validating Junctions is important to establishing the
integrity
> > of my routing/bradshaw program.
> >
> > Balharshah Jn. (SCR & CR meet point?)
> >
> > Chopan Jn. (NR & ER meet point?)
> >
> > Coimbatore Jn. (Is there some connection to Madukkarai (what is
> > Madukkarai?))
> >
> > Kishanganj Jn. (on NEFR - some BG/MG meeting point (but many other
> > stations have both)?)
> >
> > Mahuda Jn. (No clue, but that whole area I am not 100% confident
about -
> > pl see below for other questions in ER/SER region)
> >
> > Mahuva Jn. (In old days, MG/NG meet here, NG line to Bhavnagar
Terminus I
> > think is out of service)
> >
> > Mettupalaiyam Jn.(MG/BG changeover; should not Kalka also then be
called
> > Junction?)
> >
> > Parasia Jn. (SER & CR meet point?)
> >
> > Pathardih Jn. (OK, Pathardih Bazar is actual meeting point I think -
> > Pathardih Jn. itself is a terminus?)
> >
> > Piplod Jn. (On WR main line near Godhra - I see a little NG spur on
> > several maps - where does it go to? I assume it is inactive)
> >
> > Visakhapatnam Jn. (OK, I know why, actual track meeting is one
station
> > later...)
> >
> > Wadi Jn. (actual meeting point is one station away at Halakatta -
but
> > also, SCR & CR meeting pt)



Regards to all

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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:48:54 -0500


Some more stations for you, on the routes you asked for. I am getting
these
from a combination of a confusing Calcutta municipality map and my
scattered
memory, so if anyone knows otherwise, feel free to correct me.

(xxx) indicates that there are (or may be) stations still missing here.

(b) Dum Dum Jn. - Dum Dum Cantt. - Durganagar - Birati - New Barrackpur
-
Madhyamgram - Hridaypur - Barasat Jn. - (xxxx) - Dattapukur - (xxxx) -
Habra
- (xxxx) - Gobardanga - (xxxx) - Bongaon Jn. - (xxxx) - Patripol

(d) Barasat Jn. - (xxxx) - Basirhat - (xxxx) - Hasnabad.

(e) There is definitely a line from Bongaon to Ranaghat - not sure about
stations.

(f) Baliganj Jn. - Kalighat - Majherhat - Brace Bridge - Akra - Nungi -
Baj
Baj

(h) Sealdah - Park Circus - Baliganj Jn. - Dhakuria - Jadavpur -
Baghajatin
- Garia - Sonarpur Jn. - (xxxx) - Champahati - (xxxx) - Canning

(i) Sonarpur Jn. - Subhasgram - Malikpur - Baruipur Jn. - Kalyanpur -
(xxxx)
- Magra Hat - (xxxx) - Diamond Harbour


That's all I've got so far - hoping to get a suburban timetable.

Shanku

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:01:39 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

> lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> >
> > Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or
> > still under construction; does not matter), or have I got something
> > wrong (e.g., see (p) - does the route from (central) Calcutta to
> > Amta (terminus) go via Andul Jn.?).
> > Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
> >
> > (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
>
> No junction at Kamarkundu, i.e. no connecting tracks between the
> Sheraphuli - Tarakeshwar line (upper level) and the Howrah Burdwan
Chord
> (lower level)


Sure, but this does not stop it being a Junction (per me). Else, for
example, Neral could not also be a Junction - there are no connecting
tracks from the BG to the NG!



Now - many thanks for the help. But are there MISSING STATIONS EN
ROUTE? For example, on the Canning Line there must be.


> > (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra Gobardanga Bangaon Jn.
Patripol
> Far as I remember yes.
>
> > (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
> Don't know that one.
>
> > (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
> Yes, Barasat - Basirhat - Hasnabad
>
> > (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
> Quite sure about Ranaghat - Bagula - Gede. Not certain about the
Bangaon
> - Ranaghat link, but that is jsut my memory not working upto par most
> probably.
>
> > (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
> Yes.
>
> > (g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
> Howrah Maidan - Sheakhala used to be the old Martin Burn Light Railway
> line which was discontinued and then was supposed to be converted to
BG.
> Don't know current status, but will investigate.


Please.


> > (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
> Yes.
>
> > (i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
> Yes.
>
> > (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
> Yes.
>
> > (k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
> Did the Tamluk - Digha portion finally get built? Last time I looked
> that was a station like thing in Digha but there was no connecting
line
> to Tamluk.
>
> > (l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
> Yes.
>
> > (m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
> > (n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
> > (o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
> Don't know
>
> > (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> > (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
> See (g) above. I don't know the excat status of the proposed BG
> conversion.
>
> > (r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
> > (s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
> Don't know about these.
>
> > (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
> Yes.
>
> > (u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
> > (v) Karaila Road Jayant
>
> Don't know about these.


Some were guesses (Andul Jn.-Amta, Andul Jn.-Chanpadanga) as the map is
virtually unreadable and the Bradshaw totally silent. Anyone with an ER
regional TT could REALLY help. Last time I was in India I tried hard to
get regional TTs, but failed except for CR & WR. ER & NR were
unavailable.




> In Calcutta area also, there is:
> (i) Princep Ghat - Dum Dum Jn.
> This is eventually going to be connected to Brace Bridge on the
> Baliganja - Baj Baj line to complete the ring railway.
> (ii) Dum Dum Jn. - Baranagar - Bally Halt (upper level no Jn.) -
Dankuni
> Jn.
> Dankuni is on Howrah Burdwan Chord (Howrah - Belur - Bally (lower
level)
> - Dankuni Jn. - Kamarkundu (lower level) - Shaktigarh - Burdwan.
> Incidentally Howrah Burdwan Main Line is Howrah - Bally - Bandel -
> Shaktigarh - Burdwan).
> (v) Bally Ghat - Bally (neither Jn.) The actual Jn is near Belanagar.
> (vi) Shantragachhi - Shalimar
> (vii) Dankuni Jn. - Andul Jn. goods chord.
> (viii) Ramrajatola - Liluah goods chord.
> Ramrajatola is on Howrah - Shantragachhi section of Howrah - Kharagpur
> SER main line. Liluah is on Howrah - Bally section of both HB Main
Line
> and HB Chord.
>
> Note 1) Incidentally the Howrah Burdwan Main Line and Howrah Burdwan
> Chord bifurcate at Bally, but the last point where they are connected
> together is near Belur, and I don't recall whether that connection is
> controlled by Belur or Liluah RRI.
>
> Note 2) Bally Halt is located adjacent to Bally [HBML and HBC] at the
> upper level. At this point the Dum Dum - Dankuni line crosses the HBML
> and HBC on a flyover.
>
> > According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes,
> > it is Baliganja - which has the right "aroma" :) But all
> > TTs / Bradshaws are full of contradictions.
>
> If you were a Bengali you'd pronounce it more like Ballygawnj ('a' as
in
> "after" British pronunciation, 'aw' as in "awful"). If you were a
Hindi
> speaking person you'd pronounce it Ballygunj ('u' pronounced as in
> "cut"). Enter stage left the spelling police bureaucracy, and you get
> Baliganja, which represents no particular pronunciation that any real
> person ever uses.:-(

<VeryBigGrin>

> TAFN.
>
> Jishnu.

A MILLION THANKS for the above. Most of these I had - but not all. I
may come back for more information once I have entered the missing data
(often, more data throws up more questions, or reveals some
inconsistency elsewhere)... Also, I eagerly await the other data you
said you would look up - AND INTERMEDIATE STATIONS I OMITTED FROM MY
ORIGINAL LIST (I gave ALL the stations I had on the specified routes
(a)-(v))



Regards to all

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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Whatta site!

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:06:20 -0500


Hello Sundar.
You are too kind. Anyway, I'm glad you liked the site. I do admit that
the GIF animations add interesting variety to the site.
Reg. the MLR to grace your desktop, be my guest.
As I've always told several irfca colleagues on separate occasions in
the past, please feel free to use any material from any of my
mails/sites for any reason whatsoever. No questions asked.
Cheers.
Shankar



Sundar Krishnamurthy wrote:
>
> Heyyy Shankar!
>
> I disagree with you completely. Your site is a marvel and I seek your
> permission to make the MLR 741 on the steam section as my wallpaper
(will
> dispose off the uninspiring Amtrak AEM-7 that managed to find its way
> here). Gang - this site gets a 5/5 rating from me. Three cheers to
Shankar
> and I think I am fortunate enough to possess some of his photographs
in
> print :-)
>
> My site is nowhere near. I guess there's a real spider website on
mine? My
> <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics</A> directory contains roughly 200
> scans and need some time to write on the pix out there and link them
to my
> site. I was supposed to do it some time back but work always keeps
getting
> the better of me.
>
> Will get back real soon.....
>
> Sundar
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
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> sundar@spyring.email <A HREF="http://sundar.cjb.net">http://sundar.cjb.net</A>
> ICQ: 3159776 Tel (O): +1-732-828 8686
> --------------------------------------------------------
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From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:09:32 -0500


YES RAYMOND - THERE IS SOME FEEDBACK. SRINIVAS.

raymond/Polaris@polaris.email wrote:

> Dear gang,
>
> Just another analogy from roads. There is a maxim to be followed while
driving
> on ghat roads which says that you must use the same gear coming down
the ghat as
> you used going up the ghat. This maxim is basically used only by truck
drivers
> nowadays, most car and bus drivers just zip down the ghats, as if
there was no
> tomorrow.
>
> Transferring this to the Railways, shouldn't banking engines be used
even while
> coming down the ghats, insatead of just using brakes. Bill Aitken
calls one of
> the Kerala bus drivers "Big Chief Smokin' Brakes", because of his
over-zealous
> use of brakes in the ghats. This was in "Travels by a lesser line"
detailing his
> metric pilgrimage around India.
>

THE BANKER IS USED TO ENSURE THAT NO COUPLING CHAINS BREAK AS WOULD
HAPPEN IF ONLY
ONE LOCO (OR EVEN TWO LOCOS) WERE USED TO HAUL A TRAIN UP A HILL FROM
THE FRONT.
WITH A BANKER, THE MAIN POWER IS GIVEN FROM BEHIND. ACTUALLY THE BANKER
IS PUSHING
UP THE TRAIN.NO CHANCE OF ANY CHAIN SNAPPING IN THIS INSTANCE AS THE
FORCE IS ON THE
BUMPERS AND NOT THROUGH THE COUPLING CHAINS.

IF ONE WERE TO USE A LOCO APPLYING BRAKES FROM BEHIND WHILE THE TRAIN
WAS COMING
DOWN THE GHATS, ONE WOULD BE RISKING THE SNAPPING OF THE COUPLING CHAIN.
HENCE ALL
TRAINS COMING DOWN A SLOPE NEED TO HAVE ONLY ONE LOCO IN THE FRONT AND
WHEN THE
BRAKE IS APPLIED, THE BUMPERS TAKE THE STRAIN AND NOT THE COUPLING
CHAIN. YES, BRAKE
IS APPLIED TO ALL THE WHEELS BUT THE LOCOS DO HAVE EXTRA BRAKING POWER -
HENCE THE
BUMPERS PASS ON THE FORCE.

> The trains coming down the Bhor Ghat from Khandala to Karjat have the
same
> problem. You can smell boiling grease when the train passes through
the tunnels
> on the way. Why shouldn't trains coming down the Ghat use banking
engines with
> their regenerative braking rather than just the engine in front using
brakes.
>

REGENRATIVE BRAKING WAS INDEED BEING USED IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN DC
LOCOS WERE
USED. BBVT- PA IS 1500 V DC TRACTION. NOWADAYS,ONE FINDS THE AC/DC
VARIETY LOCOS. I
DO NOT HAVE THE INFO ON WHETHER THESE NEW BREED OF LOCOS HAVE
REGENRATIVE BRAKES.
WILL BE NICE IF SOMEONE WHO HAS THE INFO COULD SHARE IT WITH ALL
FRIENDS. ALSO, DO
THE AC LOCOS HAVE REGENERATIVE BRAKES OR ONLY REHOSTATIVE BRAKES ?


MOREOVER, REGENERATIVE BRAKING ALONE IS NEVER ADEQUATE IN STEEP SLOPES
OF 1:35 IN
BHOR GHATS. THE BURNING SMEEL OF METAL IS INEVITABLE.

TECHNICALLY, THE LOCO IN FRONT OF A TRAIN ON ITS JOURNEY DOWN A HILL IS
A "BANKER"!

CHEERS.

> Any feedback, gang ?
>
> Raymond

From: Bharat Vohra <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:13:16 -0500


I have noticed these yellow zebra stripes as well..not only on WR but on

some CR stock as well. These stripes have been spotted on GS coaches
only...maybe it is some kind of standardisation IR is trying out to mark
out
GS coaches from the rest of the rake??
Regards
Bharat

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:16:13 -0500


Shanku Niyogi said:
> There are actually three stations at Kalyani - the main station,
Kalyani
> Ghoshpara (I think), and Kalyani Shimanto. The so-called "Kalyani
Local"
> trains actually enter Kalyani station on a separate platform, then
take a
> single line to the other two stations before returning on the same
track.
> Effectively, Kalyani is a junction without being called one.

Many thanks for the info.

Do I understand you correctly that it is trains **FROM** Dum Dum that go
Kalyani -> Kalyani
Ghoshpara(sp?) -> Kalyani Shimanto -> Madanpur ?

And (to me) Kalyani Shimanto sounds Japanese!


> There is also a second station at Kanchrapara (Kanchrapara Workshop, I
> think) for the huge rail workshop there - very few locals stop there,
and
> the station may not even be listed in the timetable.

Is the Workshop Stn on the Halisahar or Kalyani side?


Thanks, and regards to all

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:16:13 -0500


Shanku Niyogi said:
> There are actually three stations at Kalyani - the main station,
Kalyani
> Ghoshpara (I think), and Kalyani Shimanto. The so-called "Kalyani
Local"
> trains actually enter Kalyani station on a separate platform, then
take a
> single line to the other two stations before returning on the same
track.
> Effectively, Kalyani is a junction without being called one.

Many thanks for the info.

Do I understand you correctly that it is trains **FROM** Dum Dum that go
Kalyani -> Kalyani
Ghoshpara(sp?) -> Kalyani Shimanto -> Madanpur ?

And (to me) Kalyani Shimanto sounds Japanese!


> There is also a second station at Kanchrapara (Kanchrapara Workshop, I
> think) for the huge rail workshop there - very few locals stop there,
and
> the station may not even be listed in the timetable.

Is the Workshop Stn on the Halisahar or Kalyani side?


Thanks, and regards to all

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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:25:27 -0500


shankar,

apart from the ones you mentioned there is also a third station.
the order is as follows

kalyani (jn)
shilpanchal
ghoshpara
kalyani simanta

samit


----- Original Message -----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: <lwebber@planetmail.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 23:00
Subject: RE: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?


> There are actually three stations at Kalyani - the main station,
Kalyani
> Ghoshpara (I think), and Kalyani Shimanto. The so-called "Kalyani
Local"
> trains actually enter Kalyani station on a separate platform, then
take a
> single line to the other two stations before returning on the same
track.
> Effectively, Kalyani is a junction without being called one.
>
> There is also a second station at Kanchrapara (Kanchrapara Workshop, I
> think) for the huge rail workshop there - very few locals stop there,
and
> the station may not even be listed in the timetable.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lwebber@planetmail.email [mailto:lwebber@planetmail.email
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:01 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Cc: Shanku Niyogi
> Subject: RE: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?
>
>
> Shanku Niyogi said:
>
> > If these are the only stations you have on the suburban lines,
you're
> > missing several of them.
>
>
> No, these are the lines (or what I *think* are lines) where I only
have
map
> data (which is confusing where lines are crowded together -
specifically
in
> the Calcutta and Rajabehra/Dhanbad/Andal/Adra region) and NOT detailed
TT
> data.
> What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
> (1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
> Titagarh Barrackpore Palta Ichhapur Shyamnagar
> Kankinara Naihati Jn. Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
> Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha Payradanga
> Ranaghat Jn.
> (2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
> Dakshineswar Baranagar Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road
> Sealdah
> etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)
>
>
>
> > For example, in (b), you're probably missing about 15-20 stations.
The
> > Bongaon line is one of the two main suburban lines coming out of
Sealdah
> and
> > separating at Dum Dum. The other one goes towards Ranaghat.
(Actually,
> > technically the two suburban lines don't separate at Dum Dum, since
they
> run
> > on separate tracks and use separate platforms at Bidhannagar Rd, the
> > previous stop.
> > I don't own an ER timetable, unfortunately - I'll see what I can do.
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> > It's Baliganj, not Baliganja.
>
>
> According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
> Baliganja - which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws
are
full
> of contradictions.
>
>
>
> > There are some significant suburban lines missing from this list - I
take
> it
> > this list doesn't include all suburban lines?
>
>
> Correct. It is a list ONLY of routes (for which I give start and end
> stations, and any intermediate stations I know)
> where my data is incomplete or uncertain.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
> > construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong (e.g.,
see
> (p)
> > - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via
Andul
> Jn.?).
> > Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
> >
> > (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
> > (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
> > Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol
> > (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
> > (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
> > (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
> > (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
> > (g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
> > (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
> > (i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
> > (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
> > Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
> > (k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
> > (l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
> > (m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
> > (n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
> > (o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
> > (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> > (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
> > (r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
> > (s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
> > (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
> > (u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
> > (v) Karaila Road Jayant
>
>
> Regards to all
>
> LW
>
>
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From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

>> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar

>No junction at Kamarkundu, i.e. no connecting tracks between the
>Sheraphuli - Tarakeshwar line (upper level) and the Howrah Burdwan
Chord
>(lower level)

You are correct about the physical layout at Kamarkundu, but I believe
the time table does list it as a junction, and a Tarakeswar - Howrah
journey can be made shorter (km wise) by changing trains there.

>> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
>Quite sure about Ranaghat - Bagula - Gede. Not certain about the
Bangaon
>- Ranaghat link, but that is jsut my memory not working upto par most
>probably.

Actually, Sealdah-Ranaghat-Gede is considered to be the main line, and
Ranaghat-Bangaon is a branch line. This used to be the only link
(Except from DumDum) between EBR's main line to Goalanda/Siliguri
and the Jessore/Khulna line. After 1947 (when?) PER built a link
(between Darsana and Chuadanga?) to replace this lost link. There is
a Khulna-Parbatipur Express on that route, isn't there?

>In Calcutta area also, there is:
>(i) Princep Ghat - Dum Dum Jn.
>This is eventually going to be connected to Brace Bridge on the

or Majherhat ?

>Baliganja - Baj Baj line to complete the ring railway.

>(v) Bally Ghat - Bally (neither Jn.) The actual Jn is near Belanagar.

Should really call it Bally Halt - Bally since emergence of the Halt.
This isn't used by any passenger train. There is a cabin (CC Link)
controlling movement on the Bally Halt side of it.

>(viii) Ramrajatola - Liluah goods chord.
>Ramrajatola is on Howrah - Shantragachhi section of Howrah - Kharagpur
>SER main line. Liluah is on Howrah - Bally section of both HB Main Line
>and HB Chord.

Is there a line between Ramrajatala and Lilua, or are you just
mentioning a chord near SER and ER approaches to Howrah?

>Note 1) Incidentally the Howrah Burdwan Main Line and Howrah Burdwan
>Chord bifurcate at Bally, but the last point where they are connected
>together is near Belur, and I don't recall whether that connection is
>controlled by Belur or Liluah RRI.

Does Belur not have a working cabin anymore?

>Note 2) Bally Halt is located adjacent to Bally [HBML and HBC] at the
>upper level. At this point the Dum Dum - Dankuni line crosses the HBML
>and HBC on a flyover.

How does one get from Bally Halt to Bally? Is there a built walkway,
or is it a makeshift dirt path?

ths.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: doubling of daund-bhigvan line

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:29:45 -0500


This is encouraging news. I would LOVE to hear more about this.
Any doubling activity in the Gooty-Renigunta section? How about
the single line patches in the Wadi-Guntakal section?

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zubin Lee [SMTP:zubin.lee@vsnl.email
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:29 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: doubling of daund-bhigvan line
>
> hi folks,
>
> it seems that doubling work of the DD-bhigvan line is scheduled to
start
> soon. a couple of days ago there was a tender notice asking for
> transportation of railway sleepers and oth. paraphernalia to the
section.
> i'm not sure whether the doubling will go right upto SUR. apurva, can
u
> provide the details ? it appears that there is some activity going on
in
> the
> SUR-GTL section as well. pls. correct me if i am wrong.
>
> ~zubin.
> <A HREF="http://zubin.gen-next.com/">http://zubin.gen-next.com/</A>
>

From: Sridhar Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:39:10 -0500



At 03:53 PM 09/01/1999 +0530, raymond/Polaris@polaris.email wrote:

>Transferring this to the Railways, shouldn't banking engines be used
even
while
>coming down the ghats, insatead of just using brakes. Bill Aitken calls
one of
>the Kerala bus drivers "Big Chief Smokin' Brakes", because of his
over-zealous
>use of brakes in the ghats. This was in "Travels by a lesser line"
detailing his
>metric pilgrimage around India.

I agree with Bill on the "Big Chief Smokin Brakes" and Kerala drivers.
My
folks used to live near Ooty and we frequently travelled to Kerala over
the
weekends. The bus service between Ooty and Palghat was handled by Cheran
(TN) 6 services and KSRTC (Kerala) 1round trip a day. The trip - down
from
Ooty to Palghat by the KSRTC bus used to be an adventure in itself.
Well,
the CTC buses used to take about 5 hours and the KSRTC bus about 4
(sometimes even less), so you get the idea. By the time the bus got down
to
Mettupalayam (at the foot hills) the stench from the disintegrating
break
pads would be over powering.

I believe that KSTRC no longer serves this route, as they were 'losing'
on
avarege a bus a year and have decided that it was not viable to continue
with the service.

-Sridhar

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:44:23 -0500


T.H.Sanyal said:

> Larry Webber wrote:
>
> >What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
> >(1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
> >Titagar
> >Barrackpore Palta
> > Ichhapur Shyamnagar Kankinara Naihati Jn.
>
> There is now a new station between Shyamnagar and Kankinara called
> Jagaddal.
>
> >Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
> > Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha
Payradanga
> >Ranaghat Jn.
> >(2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
> >Dakshineswar Baranagar
> > Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road Sealdah
> >etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)
>
> Also, Sealdah DumDum Ranaghat Gede is the main line of ER's Sealdah
> division. DumDum - Dankuni, DumDum - Bangaon are considered branch
> lines.
>
> >According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
Baliganja
> >-
> > which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws are full of
> > contradictions.
>
> This is strange. The ending 'a' in Baliganja is never pronounced.
> So if they had to change it from the erstwhile Ballygunge, they
> should have just made it Baliganj.


IR's unending spelling-tinkering makes my work almost impossible to
automate. My first "level" of work, completed last December, had 2000
stations and was 100% consistent and accurate re routes/junctions
(though obviously omitted some many stations), suburbia excepted.

Now, I have scanned in the whole bradshaw. I have 7,900+ stations, and I
need to validate the junction data against the old consistent data.


> I am trying to provide some more info below.


Many thanks.


> >> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
> >> construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong
(e.g., see (p)
> >> - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via
Andul Jn.?).
>
> The BIG problem with Calcutta's suburban railway system is that
(unlike
> Bombay's and Madras's) the Calcutta termini of Howrah and Sealdah are
> nowhere near the city centre. Having said that, the railway route to
> Amta (from Howrah) does I believe pass through Andul. This is supposed
> to be a replacement for the now defunct Howrah (Maidan) - Amta Light
> railway. There was another light railway to Sheakhala, whose
replacement
> was supposed to start from Dankuni Jn of ER, but now you are saying
> this line starts from Santragachhi Jn of SER? Does anyone know
> the facts about this?


I am probably wrong. The map is nearly impossible to read in this
metropolitan region (why they did not provide expanded sections for
these I cannot tell), and indeed the map's line color indicates it is
SER not ER.

One of the reasons I guessed it was Santragachi Jn. was that otherwise I
have only 2 lines going "to" Santragachi, as shown here:-
Howrah-Tikiapara-Dashnagar-Ramrajatala-Santragachi Jn.-Maurigram-Andul
Jn.
It needs at least one more to be a Junction (and is identified as a Jn
in all literature I have seen).

So, could you tell me please what are the lines into Santragachi Jn.?


> >> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
> >>
> >> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
>
> Singur and Haripal are two intermediate stations, there are more.
> Terkeshwar is misspelling. The first 'e' should definitely be an 'a',
> I don't know the complete spelling as used in IR. One problem is that
> IR usage often varies from local usage.


The map reads "T*rkeshwar".. :) I guessed wrong.

And, are the missing stations between Kamarkundu & Tarkeshwar (not
Seoraphuli & Kamarkundu), and in that sequence?


> >> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
> >> Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol
>
> Between DumDum Jn and Hridaypur: DumDum Cantonment, Birati, and
> Madhyamgram are major stations. There are a few lesser stations.


Can anyone help with names of the minor stations?


> Between Barasat Jn and Habra: Dattapukur, Bira, Guma, Ashoknagar Road,
> and a few more.
> There are some other stations between Habra and Bangaon. Patripol
> is misspelt, it should be Petrapol. This is a station near the border
> with Bangladesh, and as far as I know this station is not in use.
>
> >> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
>
> Phulia and Habibpur.
>
> >> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
>
> Kareya Kadambagachhi, Taki Road are two. There are several more.


Here also, could someone with the regional TT help?


> >> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
>
> Between Ranaghat and Bagula: Taraknagar halt, Aranghata.
> Between Bagula and Gede: Majhdia, Banpur.
> I may be missing one or two here, but probably not.
>
> >> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
>
> Baliganja (sic), Lake Gardens, Taliganja, New Alipur, Majherhat,
> Brace Bridge, Santoshpur, Akra, Nangi(Nungi?), Baj Baj.
>
> >> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
>
> Sealdah (South), Park Circus, Baliganja, Dhakuria, Jadabpur, Garia,
> Sonarpur. I am probably missing something between Jadabpur and Garia.
> Between Sonarpur and Canning, there are Piali, Champahati, Ghutiari
> Sharif and Taldi and possibly a few more and I am not sure about the
> sequence.
>
> >> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
> >> Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
>
> Is the section from Lakshmikantapur to Namkhana complete?

Probably incomplete from what I can see from the maps.


> >> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> >> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
>
> I believe these should be Andul Jn - Bargachia Jn - Amta and
> Bargachia Jn - Chanpadanga.


That makes sense... Bargachia Jn. is totally new to me. A new Junction
is always NEWS. Many thanks.


> >> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
>
> There is probably no intermediate station between these two.
>
> I really think someone with current ER/SER timetables ought to provide
> the correct information. I wrote what I could remember. Sorry.

On the contrary - VERY BIG THANKS!


>
> ths.

What I will do is incorporate all the new ER/SER information (from mr
Sanyal, Jishnu and Shanku), and then state what I think ALL the lines in
the Calcutta region are (together with all stations). That will make it
easier to see what is wrong and what is missing...


Thanks again.

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:44:23 -0500


T.H.Sanyal said:

> Larry Webber wrote:
>
> >What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
> >(1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
> >Titagar
> >Barrackpore Palta
> > Ichhapur Shyamnagar Kankinara Naihati Jn.
>
> There is now a new station between Shyamnagar and Kankinara called
> Jagaddal.
>
> >Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
> > Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha
Payradanga
> >Ranaghat Jn.
> >(2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
> >Dakshineswar Baranagar
> > Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road Sealdah
> >etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)
>
> Also, Sealdah DumDum Ranaghat Gede is the main line of ER's Sealdah
> division. DumDum - Dankuni, DumDum - Bangaon are considered branch
> lines.
>
> >According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
Baliganja
> >-
> > which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws are full of
> > contradictions.
>
> This is strange. The ending 'a' in Baliganja is never pronounced.
> So if they had to change it from the erstwhile Ballygunge, they
> should have just made it Baliganj.


IR's unending spelling-tinkering makes my work almost impossible to
automate. My first "level" of work, completed last December, had 2000
stations and was 100% consistent and accurate re routes/junctions
(though obviously omitted some many stations), suburbia excepted.

Now, I have scanned in the whole bradshaw. I have 7,900+ stations, and I
need to validate the junction data against the old consistent data.


> I am trying to provide some more info below.


Many thanks.


> >> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
> >> construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong
(e.g., see (p)
> >> - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via
Andul Jn.?).
>
> The BIG problem with Calcutta's suburban railway system is that
(unlike
> Bombay's and Madras's) the Calcutta termini of Howrah and Sealdah are
> nowhere near the city centre. Having said that, the railway route to
> Amta (from Howrah) does I believe pass through Andul. This is supposed
> to be a replacement for the now defunct Howrah (Maidan) - Amta Light
> railway. There was another light railway to Sheakhala, whose
replacement
> was supposed to start from Dankuni Jn of ER, but now you are saying
> this line starts from Santragachhi Jn of SER? Does anyone know
> the facts about this?


I am probably wrong. The map is nearly impossible to read in this
metropolitan region (why they did not provide expanded sections for
these I cannot tell), and indeed the map's line color indicates it is
SER not ER.

One of the reasons I guessed it was Santragachi Jn. was that otherwise I
have only 2 lines going "to" Santragachi, as shown here:-
Howrah-Tikiapara-Dashnagar-Ramrajatala-Santragachi Jn.-Maurigram-Andul
Jn.
It needs at least one more to be a Junction (and is identified as a Jn
in all literature I have seen).

So, could you tell me please what are the lines into Santragachi Jn.?


> >> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
> >>
> >> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
>
> Singur and Haripal are two intermediate stations, there are more.
> Terkeshwar is misspelling. The first 'e' should definitely be an 'a',
> I don't know the complete spelling as used in IR. One problem is that
> IR usage often varies from local usage.


The map reads "T*rkeshwar".. :) I guessed wrong.

And, are the missing stations between Kamarkundu & Tarkeshwar (not
Seoraphuli & Kamarkundu), and in that sequence?


> >> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
> >> Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol
>
> Between DumDum Jn and Hridaypur: DumDum Cantonment, Birati, and
> Madhyamgram are major stations. There are a few lesser stations.


Can anyone help with names of the minor stations?


> Between Barasat Jn and Habra: Dattapukur, Bira, Guma, Ashoknagar Road,
> and a few more.
> There are some other stations between Habra and Bangaon. Patripol
> is misspelt, it should be Petrapol. This is a station near the border
> with Bangladesh, and as far as I know this station is not in use.
>
> >> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
>
> Phulia and Habibpur.
>
> >> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
>
> Kareya Kadambagachhi, Taki Road are two. There are several more.


Here also, could someone with the regional TT help?


> >> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
>
> Between Ranaghat and Bagula: Taraknagar halt, Aranghata.
> Between Bagula and Gede: Majhdia, Banpur.
> I may be missing one or two here, but probably not.
>
> >> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
>
> Baliganja (sic), Lake Gardens, Taliganja, New Alipur, Majherhat,
> Brace Bridge, Santoshpur, Akra, Nangi(Nungi?), Baj Baj.
>
> >> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
>
> Sealdah (South), Park Circus, Baliganja, Dhakuria, Jadabpur, Garia,
> Sonarpur. I am probably missing something between Jadabpur and Garia.
> Between Sonarpur and Canning, there are Piali, Champahati, Ghutiari
> Sharif and Taldi and possibly a few more and I am not sure about the
> sequence.
>
> >> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
> >> Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
>
> Is the section from Lakshmikantapur to Namkhana complete?

Probably incomplete from what I can see from the maps.


> >> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> >> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
>
> I believe these should be Andul Jn - Bargachia Jn - Amta and
> Bargachia Jn - Chanpadanga.


That makes sense... Bargachia Jn. is totally new to me. A new Junction
is always NEWS. Many thanks.


> >> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
>
> There is probably no intermediate station between these two.
>
> I really think someone with current ER/SER timetables ought to provide
> the correct information. I wrote what I could remember. Sorry.

On the contrary - VERY BIG THANKS!


>
> ths.

What I will do is incorporate all the new ER/SER information (from mr
Sanyal, Jishnu and Shanku), and then state what I think ALL the lines in
the Calcutta region are (together with all stations). That will make it
easier to see what is wrong and what is missing...


Thanks again.

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From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 11:56:00 -0500


Larry Webber wrote:

>> Effectively, Kalyani is a junction without being called one.

Yes.

>Do I understand you correctly that it is trains **FROM** Dum Dum that
go i
>Kalyan
> -> Kalyani
>Ghoshpara(sp?) -> Kalyani Shimanto -> Madanpur ?

No. The line from Kalyani to Kalyani Simanta is a spur from the
Sealdah - DumDum Jn - Naihati Jn - Kalyani - Madanpur - Ranaghat Jn
main line. Only trains from Sealdah called Kalyani locals use this spur.

>And (to me) Kalyani Shimanto sounds Japanese!

The word is transliterated as Simanta, but pronounced like Shimanto!
(Bengali writing is less phonetic compared to Hindi).
Also, the stations on that spur are: Kalyani, Kalyani Silpanchal,
Kalyani Ghoshpara, and Kalyani Simanta.

>> There is also a second station at Kanchrapara (Kanchrapara Workshop,
I
>> think) for the huge rail workshop there - very few locals stop there,
and
>> the station may not even be listed in the timetable.

Only around Workshop shift change times do trains stop there, and it is
not an official station (no ticket office, no station staff), just a
raised platform. But there is a sign that reads "Kanchrapara Workshop
Gate".

>Is the Workshop Stn on the Halisahar or Kalyani side?

Halisahar side.

ths.

From: Prateep Chatterjee <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 01 Sep 1999 12:36:41 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

> Also interesting factoid from my hazy recollection (I am sure Dheeraj
> will correct me if I am wrong:)) ... Kanpur Central is strictly
speaking
> not on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line. It is on a spur that is
> aligned in the direction of Lucknow(?). A single track line connects
> Kanpur Central to Chandari on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line, and
> has always been a cause for delays. All Delhi - Mughal Sarai goods
> trains bypass Kanpur Central along the line that connects Govindpuri
> with Chandari.

There are 2/3 tracks going off towards Chandari from Govindpuri and the
rest of the tracks go to Kanpur Central. The single track (which
definitely
is the cause of delay for all trains on the NDLS - HWH trunk route)
meets
the other tracks at Chandari. There were some rumors of making Panki a
stop
for fast trains like the Rajdhani in the late 80s/early 90s (so that
they
could then take the direct route to Chandari) and the Panki station was
also supposed to be redesigned. Most probably the plan has been shelved.


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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 13:01:18 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>
> T.H.Sanyal said:
>
> > Larry Webber wrote:
> >

> I am probably wrong. The map is nearly impossible to read in this
metropolitan region (why they did not provide expanded sections for
these I cannot tell), and indeed the map's line color indicates it is
SER not ER.
>
> One of the reasons I guessed it was Santragachi Jn. was that otherwise
I have only 2 lines going "to" Santragachi, as shown here:-
> Howrah-Tikiapara-Dashnagar-Ramrajatala-Santragachi Jn.-Maurigram-Andul
Jn.
> It needs at least one more to be a Junction (and is identified as a Jn
in all literature I have seen).
>
> So, could you tell me please what are the lines into Santragachi Jn.?

The other line at Shantragacchi is Shantragacchi - Shalimar. SER's main
goods yard in the Calcutta area is at Shalimar. SER headquarters is just
across the river from Shalimar in Garden Reach.

> Can anyone help with names of the minor stations?

As soon as I can locate my Newman's Calcutta Suburban Timetable.:-) It
could take a while 'cause I might have left it in Calcutta:-(.

> What I will do is incorporate all the new ER/SER information (from mr
Sanyal, Jishnu and Shanku), and then state what I think ALL the lines in
the Calcutta region are (together with all stations). That will make it
easier to see what is wrong and what is missing...

Sounds good! Looking forward to it.

Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 13:26:11 -0500


Prateep Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Hello !
>
> > (viii) Ramrajatola - Liluah goods chord.
> > Ramrajatola is on Howrah - Shantragachhi section of Howrah -
Kharagpur
> > SER main line. Liluah is on Howrah - Bally section of both HB Main
Line
> > and HB Chord.

The chord conneting SER and ER near Liluah is distinct from the Dankuni
- Andul goods chord, which is what you seem to be alluding to below.

> I was wondering if you would be able to help me to solve a
> doubt I have had for a long time. While working in
> KTPP (Kolaghat), I used to frequently travel on the
> SER KGP-HWH line. I had noted a track going over
> the 3 KGP-HWH tracks near Andul and then coming into
> Andul (or was it Mourigram ?). Is it supposed to be a
> Dankuni-Andul goods link ? The idea of Dankuni-Andul
> link comes into my mind because of a possible faster
> route of coal supply to the SER line from the
> ER HWH-Bardhaman chord.

Yes, that is the Dankuni - Andul link. It actually connects at Andul or
thereabouts (the overal junction stretches between Mourigram and Andul)
in both directions on SER. i.e. trains from both Kharagpur and
Shantragacchi/Shalimar can transfer towards ER.

The junction at Dankuni consists of a confusing collection of flyovers
and junctions that allows trains from the SER side to go towards Burdwan
via HB Chord or onto CC Railway towards Dum Dum. Of course trains coming
from Dum Dum on CC Railway can additionally go towards Burdwan via HB
Chord, and towards Howrah via the other leg of the Dankuni triangle.
This other leg meets the HB Chord just to the HWH side of Belanagar
station. It is a straight double track merge. The original Dankuni
triangle (i.e. Dum Dum/Howrah/Burdwan) has existed for a long long time.
Trains originating in Shealdah and headed for Burdwan (e.g. Darjeeling
Mail, the late unlamented Upper India Express) that cross the river on
the Bally (Vivekananda) Bridge use the Dankuni leg of this triangle. The
Andul connection was overlayed on top of it more recently.

Jishnu.

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