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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?!

Date: 28 Aug 1999 07:32:44 -0500


>AMBERNATH
>BADLAPUR
>VANGNI
>NERAL
>SHELU

>PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA

I believe correct and in sequence is:

AMBARNATH
BADLAPUR
VANGANI
SHELU
NERAL

:)

>PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA


Regards

Larry


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From: Klaus Hollinetz <>

Subject: Re: message from a european irfca watcher

Date: 28 Aug 1999 09:36:28 -0500


Dear all,

thank you for the warm welcome and also for the URLs.
I hope you would not be very disappointed when you will hear my music,
which does not sound very "Strauss"like (or classic) at all.

As I already wrote to Don Mills:
I recently made a 15 days trip with amtrak (San Francisco - Sacramento -
Denver - Santa Fe - Los Angeles - San Francisco), I also read american
railway mags quite regularly. Alas there is no one or no any other
publication concerning the IR available here...

And - I am also interested in model railways. From time to time I am
working on a Kettle Valley (a very interesting region and train route in
the south of British Columbia, Canada) inspired layout in N scale called
"Coquihalla", with CPR, CN and BN trains. And I also work on another
layout
called "Orsinian Tales", which is inspired by books from Ursula K.
LeGuin,
subject is a fictive balkan country. I actually did a lot of train
travelling in the balkan region in the last years, even during the
different periods of war (!) as far it was possible. I probably know a
few
about that region and the railways there.
But since my last travels in India I always wanted to make at least a
small
(narrow gauge?) layout which is situated in India. I was not very
succesful
in finding useful contruction drawings (there were a few interesting
articles in the Continental Modeller), as long as one has to build all
the
rolling stock from scratch. Maybe there is better (scalable) material in
the web? Any suggestions about a location, except the Darjeeling
railway?
(I am also very curious about hearing more of Ken Walker's Barfi Light
layout...)

greetings
Klaus



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From: Sankaran Kumar <>

Subject: Re: howrah-madras express

Date: 28 Aug 1999 16:41:32 -0500



Dear Raymond and Anand:

The Howrah-Madras Express became the Tata-Madras Express which became
the
Bokaro-Madras and then the Bokaro-Alleppey Express. I missed the Tata
part.

The Howrah-Madras Janata was the third Howrah-Madras train in those days
(of
course the HWH-MAS Mail was the other train). This has become the
HWH-Tirupati Express.

Both the Express and the Janata Express were miserable trains. The
Express
used to be overtaken by the Mail in both directions. The Express used
to
take the Nidadavole-Bhimavaram-Gudivada-Vijayawada loop. Note that the
Bokaro-Alleppey Express does not take the loop; it goes on the trunk
line
via Tadepalligudem.

By the way, the morning run of the southbound Mail between Khurda Rd and

Berhampur is one of the most scenic runs on IR. One can for about an
hour
or so watch the glorious sunrise over Chilka Lake.

Regards
Kumar

>From: ranand@us.email
>To: "Sankaran Kumar" <sankaran_kumar@hotmail.email
>CC: irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: howrah-madras express
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:26:13 -0400
>
>The actual progression was like this:
>1. There used to be a train the 89/90 Madras-Tatanagar express.
>2. It became the Madras Bokaro Steel City express
>3. It then became the Alleppy-Bokaro express.
>
>Incidentally, when did the old 41/42 Kerala express (Madras Cochin HT)
>vanish?
>
> I traveled by this train in 1971 to Thrichur (enroute to Guruvayur).
On
>the
>retun
>trip we came back by the Cochin Mail (now the Trivandrum Mail).
>
>Anand
>
>Internet: anand@watson.email
>External tel: (914) 784 7054
>Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
>Tie-line: 863 7054
>
>

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From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Rail safety (Times of India)

Date: 28 Aug 1999 20:33:21 -0500


The following item is from today's Times of India:
 
Pills aplenty, patient reluctant

Vinay Pandey

NEW DELHI: Why have trains become an unsafe mode of travel? Nobody knows the answer better than the railways themselves. After all, numerous inquiry and review committees have gone into the issue in fine detail.

The problem lies in the implementation and execution of this body of knowledge, says the Railway Safety Review Committee headed by former Supreme Court judge H R Khanna. The committee's very first prescription: Implement.

The diagnosis could not have been more authoritative. Among the committee's members: former Railway Board chairman C L Kaw and former member (mechanical) L K Sinha. And, the wide-ranging indictment of the railways by the committee - be it over doctoring of accident figures or non-implementation of safety recommendations - also covers the period when they were at the helm of affairs.

In fact, Mr Kaw, himself, headed a high-level safety review committee shortly before he became Railway Board chairman. But, as board chairman, he found it difficult to show the same urgency in implementation.

To jolt the railways out of this indifference, the committee has recommended a three-year moratorium on ceremonial, inaugural and celebratory functions as a mark of respect to the dead and the injured in various accidents. These functions are a ``distraction'' and consume an ``unacceptable amount'' of money.

Surprised that the railways do not have a safety policy document, the committee has recommended formulation of a comprehensive corporate safety plan, spelling out the priorities for investment in safety-related work and setting an agenda for implementation.

The committee has also expressed concern at the ``internecine feuds and hostility'' between various departments within the railways. Departmentalism has adversely affected the safety environment, it says. Nowhere is this unhealthy mindset more blatantly on display than during accident inquiries, it observes. The majority of the officials on inquiry committees have always tried to ensure that their respective departments are not held responsible, according to the panel.

Another disquieting thing, according to the committee, is the state of disrepair of the infrastructure and assets of the railways. The overaged assets would require as much as Rs 15,000 crore to replace. To accommodate growing traffic, assets have just been "overstretched," reducing the safety margin.

Populism has compromised safety, the committee says. The railways should focus on consolidation and expansion of essential infrastructure rather than on network expansion and populist, but financially unviable, project.

The committee has also recommended higher standards for recruitment and promotion, revamp of railway recruitment boards, and introduction of psycho-testing. It says supervisors should not be allowed to join unions and procedures associated with the transfer of union officials should be simplified.

Although the driver is the most vital component of the safety strategy, except for his monetary emoluments, other important aspects, like training and working conditions and job environment, have been neglected, the committee has said.

It has identified train radio-communication facility, train protection and warning system and track circuiting have been identified as critical. Train-actuated warning devices for level crossings and axle counters have also been recommended by the committee.

In the wake of a series of rail tragedies, the railways' credibility is at an all-time low. The latest horrendous accident at Gaisal has shaken the faith of the common man in the reliability of the railways, the committee says. And much needs to be done to restore that faith.

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: railway junction with maximum fan-out - FURTHER CLARIFICATIONS

Date: 29 Aug 1999 03:58:27 -0500


"S.SRINIVAS" said:
> lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> > 6 BATHINDA
> > 7 MATHURA
> > So, the winner is Mathura. My definition of a junction
> > is very rigorous and may not agree with IR's. If a line goes
> > A Jn. - B (minor station) - C etc.
> > and another goes
> > A Jn. - B (minor station) - D etc.
> > I take B to be the junction, not A.
> > > You must consider Bhatinda Jn. as the winner which has six
> > > directions in which rly. tracks go.
> > > all of them from Bhatinda junction itself !!
> >
> > Actually, MATHURA has seven... :-)
> >
> > You missed my original mail, and Apurva snipped the part after
Panvel...

>YES SIR. I DID INDEED MISS YOUR ORIGINAL MESSAGE. SRINIVAS

> > 7 Lines from Mathura Jn.:
> > ACHHNERA
> > BHARATPUR
> > KAMAN/ALWAR
> > KOSI KALAN/BALLABGARH
> > HATHRAS
> > RAJA KI MANDI
> > VRINDAVAN

>AS FAR I KNOW MATHURA ALSO HAS SIX FAN OUTS. SAME AS
>BHATINDA. BUT DO THEY ALL MERGE AT MATHURA JUNCTION
>ITSELF ? IF VRINDAVAN LINE CARRIES PASSANGER TRAINS
>AND IF THIS LINE ALSO BRANCHES OFF MATHURA JUNCTION,
>THEN YES MATHURA WILL BE THE CLEAR WINNER. SRINIVAS.

Vrindavan - Masani - Krishna Janmasthan - Mathura Jn.
are all the stations on the Mathura-Vrindavan line (and it carries
passengers, trains listed in Bradshaws). As Krishna Janmasthan does not
lie on any other line (per 3 Bradshaws), any branching must occur
between Mathura Jn. and Krishna Janmasthan - so (per my definition) it
counts as a fan-out from Mathura....

> > # delhi junction has a count of four only now.
> > 5 Lines from Delhi Jn.:
> > DELHI SARAI ROHILLA - THIS IS THE OLD MG LINE. NOW CONVERTED TO BG.

So, there is no BG line from Delhi Jn. to Delhi S.R.?


> > DELHI SHAHDARA
> > NEW DELHI
> > ROHTAK
> > SUBZI MANDI - AND ONWARDS TO AMBALA.
> >
> > # there is no MG line any more.
> >
> > Which one of the above does not exist, please?


>THE ONE TO SARAIROHAILLA.
>SARAI IS NOW THE MG HEAD FOR DELHI.

The Bradshaw combines MG and BG tables here, so it was not clear. :-)

>s. srinivas


Another point re Mr Sanyal's suggestion (it was obvious, no doubt to him
as well as to me, but sometimes one needs to say the obvious) - the
shortest route algorithm as stated generates only shortest distances for
station-pairs - and not the route itself, which is of more interest to
most.

Of course, the big drawback is the (very long - many hours)
initialization must be run in full each time even a trivial correction
is made (like the apparent cut of the MG link from Delhi Jn to Delhi
SR).



Regards to all

L Webber


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From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: Indrail Mols

Date: 29 Aug 1999 05:38:28 -0500


Dear Klaus,
India is a magnificent subject for model railways because so little
has
been done, and there are so many wonderful prototypes and locations
begging
for modelling attention. You probably know of my article on the Barfi
Light
in the Continental Muddler (May 1991); and I presume of other short
pieces
since. There are a couple of pictures of the BLR on my website at
<A HREF="http://www.powerup.com.au/~kjw_meh">http://www.powerup.com.au/~kjw_meh</A>.
If you model in HO, you could use HOm track for Indian MG -- it's
actually a little out, as metre gauge ought to be 11.494mm, but it's
close
enough unless you are modelling to P87 standards. Similarly, HOe track
will
do for 2ft 6in gauge (ought to be 8.75mm). BG is more of a problem: I
have
gone the whole hog in 4mm:1ft scale and adopted 22mm gauge, but for HO
you
really need 19.26mm gauge, which don't come ready-made! One curious
advantage of fine-scale is that since we build a lot of our own track
and
pointwork anyway, we tend to be quite easy about changing gauges. I use
10mm, 13.12mm, and 22mm for NG, MG, and BG in 4mm scale. However, one
"mean
and dirty" dodge is to cut ordinary track down the centre and then
re-lay to
a different gauge; you still have to build your own points, though.
For mechanisms, NG in particular poses problems, as there are few
commercial ones having outside frames; from that point of view, MG is
probably more promising. But you may find, as I did, that it's cheaper,
quicker, and easier to build your own from available parts.
As to possible prototypes, in NG alone there are about seven
different
"groups", classifying by the standard practices of each.
Western: parent Railway WR, earlier BBCI. Major cluster: Gaekwar's
Dabhoi
lines.
Central: Parent SER, previously BNR. Major cluster: Nagpur lines.
Northern: parent NR, previously NWR. No major cluster, some lines now in
Pak. KSR, etc.
Eastern: Two groups. Martins: Howrah 2ft lines, sundry in Assam,
Futwa-Islampur, Arrah-Sasaram, Shahdara-Saharanpur. McLeods: Katwa
lines,
Damodar Valley, sundry. Now ER.
South-Eastern: Mayurbanj and Parlakimidi State railways. Delightful. To
SER.
Southern: No real grouping, few similarities. Kolar District Rly;
Tirupattur-Khrishnagiri and Morappur-Dharmapuri-Hosur (all closed);
Bhadravati steel mill.
There are hundreds of stunning locations all over India on BG and
MG,
too, and they need not be neglected. You don't need anything
super-dramatic:
on the scale of a model railway even a small hill is a mountain. I got
most
of the effects on the BLR by modelling actual places (particularly
Chintamani for Kutcha Bazar, and Tirupattur for Chinnapettai) and paying
careful attention to local colour. Also, avoid clutter -- make
everything
spacious.
For motive power details, I'd suggest referring to Hugh Hughes'
books:
if you possibly can, get all eight, as they are quite indispensable. I
have
a large but not very detailed collection of drawings from a wide range
of
sources, and can probably help with specific queries about rollingstock.
IRFCA members "on the spot" may be able to ferrett out specific diagrams
and
data for you.
There is a terrible dearth of information about buildings (I'd advise
all
IRFCA members actually resident in India to photograph EVERY building,
especially old ones, and record details, just so we have a record). The
Indian Railways Track Manual has a lot of information about track, and
used
to be available at the Kitab Mahal (government Bookshop).
Happy modelling
Ken Walker

You wrote (snipped)
But since my last travels in India I always wanted to make at least a
small
(narrow gauge?) layout which is situated in India. I was not very
succesful
in finding useful contruction drawings (there were a few interesting
articles in the Continental Modeller), as long as one has to build all
the
rolling stock from scratch. Maybe there is better (scalable) material in
the web? Any suggestions about a location, except the Darjeeling
railway?
(I am also very curious about hearing more of Ken Walker's Barfi Light
layout...)




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Steinhumergutstraße 1
A-4050 Traun
tel/fax +43 7229 62900
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From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: railway junction with maximum fan-out - FURTHER CLARIFICATIONS

Date: 29 Aug 1999 08:14:43 -0500


>>AS FAR I KNOW MATHURA ALSO HAS SIX FAN OUTS. SAME AS
>>BHATINDA. BUT DO THEY ALL MERGE AT MATHURA JUNCTION
>>ITSELF ? IF VRINDAVAN LINE CARRIES PASSANGER TRAINS
>>AND IF THIS LINE ALSO BRANCHES OFF MATHURA JUNCTION,
>>THEN YES MATHURA WILL BE THE CLEAR WINNER. SRINIVAS.
>
>Vrindavan - Masani - Krishna Janmasthan - Mathura Jn.
>are all the stations on the Mathura-Vrindavan line (and it carries
passengers, trains listed in Bradshaws). As Krishna Janmasthan does not
lie
on any other line (per 3 Bradshaws), any branching must occur between
Mathura Jn. and Krishna Janmasthan - so (per my definition) it counts as
a
fan-out from Mathura....
>
Yes, the Vrindavan line does carry passengers. On Jan. 3, 1996 I took a
MG
train between Vrindavan and Mathura. From Krishna Janmasthan station,
it
was only a short walk to the Krishna Janmabhumi temple, on the site
where
Lord Krishna is said to have been born. I am remembering it as we come
to
the celebration of Janmashtami (Krishna's birthday) on Sept. 2. Hari
Bol!

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From: C. Zeni <>

Subject: Image of US Spine Car

Date: 29 Aug 1999 09:33:26 -0500


Further to Apurva's intermodal sighting, I've found an image of a US
type "spine car" at

<A HREF="http://jbrail.railfan.net/FreightCars/Intermodal/NTTX67112.html">http://jbrail.railfan.net/FreightCars/Intermodal/NTTX67112.html</A>
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Image of US Spine Car

Date: 29 Aug 1999 09:54:57 -0500


Craig,

Now I have great doubts about what I saw. I suppose the spine carries
the road going
trailer without any dismantling while the roadrailer requires addition
of rail wheels
and retraction of road wheels. The words I have heard on the Pune
station is
'roadrailer', but then this could be a generic reference. I would get
some pictures
soon. Thanks for the effort that you have taken for me.

Apurva

"C. Zeni" wrote:

> Further to Apurva's intermodal sighting, I've found an image of a US
> type "spine car" at
>
> <A HREF="http://jbrail.railfan.net/FreightCars/Intermodal/NTTX67112.html">http://jbrail.railfan.net/FreightCars/Intermodal/NTTX67112.html</A>
>

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?! (Suresh, Raymond, Apurva)

Date: 29 Aug 1999 11:02:33 -0500



>> BOMBAY CENTRAL ( NOT MUMBAI PLS NOTE !)
>
>This is correct, even I have noticed that in the renaming frenzy BCT
still
remains
>BCT.


I don't think that is the case. Bombay Central IS now Mumbai Central.
What Poras probably meant was that he prefers to call it Bombay Central.
Fot
that matter, its DITTO here.

Harsh

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 29 Aug 1999 11:06:40 -0500


Delhi Junction has 24 platforms (more coming up) and New Delhi station
has
14(8 of which can accomodate a 24 coach rake). Can anything beat that?


Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Karthikeyan Seetharaman <skeyan@netscape.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia


>
>
>Karthikeyan Seetharaman wrote:
>
>> Some trivia questions that I always wanted to know...
>> Which station has the most number of tracks? Most number of
platforms?
>> And which city has the most number of stations (excluding the metro
trains,
>> i.e. Madras has 5 : Tambaram, Mambalam, Egmore, Central and Perambur,
>> considering Tambaram is in madras)
>> -Karthik
>
>We have discussed this inconclusively earlier - Mumbai CSTM has 15
platforms with more being
>constructed near Masjid Bunder. I guess Howrah has even more platforms
and
many many 'parcel'
>lines between the two buildings.
>
>Apurva
>
>
>
>

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 12:11:16 -0500


Dear Gang
I believe that this name arises from the proximity to Nagarjunakonda,
which
is one of the original Buddhist places. The area has been often refered
to
as "Amravati". the train uses the Guntur - Nandyal - Dronachellam link.
Regards Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Odd names


> Gang !
>
> Why is the 7225/26 Vijaywada - Londa train know as Amravati
> express ?
> Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
> express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
> state or the country ?
>
> Apurva
>
>
>

From: Nitin Joshi <>

Subject: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 12:16:08 -0500


I think that the name Capital Express was probably derived from Kautilya's book
"Das Capitol" who was the administrator during the time of Chandragupta Maurya,
part of the Maurya Empire - which I think I was located somewhere in Bihar. There
Also used to be a train that ran or runs as the Maurya Express.
 
I could be totally wrong on the above, let me know
 
Nitin Joshi

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: 28.August.99 05:35
Subject: Re: Odd names



Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
> express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
> state or the country ?

Sorry about the spelling mistake, in both case the correct
spelling is 'capital'.

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Turbhe line

Date: 29 Aug 1999 12:33:01 -0500


The Thane Turbhe line is likely to materialise soon with the additional
bridge for 2 tracks coming up over the Thane Creek (construction
reaching
and advanced stage of completion ... ), and with two additional
platforms in
Thane.

The work on station buildings is now in progress ... but still seems to
be a
bit slow...
I feel however that the Thane - Turbhe - Juinagar - Seawoods link will
be
used for local commuter trains.

Just back from a trip to Chiplun ... The Diva - Panvel link has been
developed for handling sizeable through passenger and goods train
traffic -
as evident in the doubling and upgradation of the line, setting up of
Dativali Station at Diva Junction - the Y point where trains from Panvel
either move to the Vasai/Kalyan side or to Diwa/Thane side.

Also stations on the way, like Nilaje, Taloja Panchnand and Kalamboli
have
at least 3 lines/platforms to handle crossing and goods traffic headed
for
the Konkan, Thal, Uran/JNPT/Jasai.

Regards ... Rajan

From: Tony Bailey <>

Subject: Re: Rail safety (Times of India)

Date: 29 Aug 1999 14:42:19 -0500


I bet it is still far more dangerous to cross the road in India!
This is starting to sound more like Rupert Murdoch has taken over the Indian Press.
 
Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
mecuryworldtvl@one.email <mailto:mecuryworldtvl@one.email

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brooker < aum108@idirect.email <mailto:aum108@idirect.email


The following item is from today's Times of India:
 
Pills aplenty, patient reluctant

Vinay Pandey

NEW DELHI: Why have trains become an unsafe mode of travel?

From: C. Zeni <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 15:27:45 -0500


Muhammed Khan wrote:
>
> Nitin:
> Please check 'Das Capital' was not written by Kautilya but, if I am
> not mistaken, by hitler.

Das Kapital - Karl Marx.
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From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 15:55:40 -0500


Hi

Wasn't "Das Kapital" written by Karl Marx ??

Iain

Aerolite Booktraders (UK)

From: Muhammed Khan <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 18:24:39 -0500


Nitin:
Please check 'Das Capital' was not written by Kautilya but, if I am not mistaken, by hitler.
Muhammed

----- Original Message -----
From: Nitin Joshi <mailto:npjoshi@attcanada.email
To: Apurva Bahadur <mailto:iti@vsnl.email ; IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 12:16 PM
Subject: Odd names

I think that the name Capital Express was probably derived from Kautilya's book
"Das Capitol" who was the administrator during the time of Chandragupta Maurya,
part of the Maurya Empire - which I think I was located somewhere in Bihar. There
Also used to be a train that ran or runs as the Maurya Express.
 
I could be totally wrong on the above, let me know
 
Nitin Joshi

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: 28.August.99 05:35
Subject: Re: Odd names



Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
> express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
> state or the country ?

Sorry about the spelling mistake, in both case the correct
spelling is 'capital'.

From: Muhammed Khan <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 19:00:38 -0500


Sorry guys you are right, I was wrong. Thanks for the correction
Muhammed
----- Original Message -----
From: Iain A Fraser <iain@aerolite.email
To: Muhammed Khan <ashiane@erols.email
Cc: Nitin Joshi <npjoshi@attcanada.email IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Odd names


> Hi
>
> Wasn't "Das Kapital" written by Karl Marx ??
>
> Iain
>
> Aerolite Booktraders (UK)
>

From: Nitin Joshi <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 29 Aug 1999 19:08:52 -0500


Maybe you are right.
 
Back to the issue, I always felt that "Capital Express" had something to do
with the Maurya Empire. Probably Vikramshila was the capital of Chandra Gupta
Maurya hence "Capital Express". There also used to be a train which runs/ran
under the name "Vikramshila Express"!
 
Am I making a fool of myself???????
 
Nitin Joshi

----- Original Message -----
From: Muhammed Khan <mailto:ashiane@erols.email
To: Nitin Joshi <mailto:npjoshi@attcanada.email
Cc: IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: 29.August.99 21:24
Subject: Re: Odd names

Nitin:
Please check 'Das Capital' was not written by Kautilya but, if I am not mistaken, by hitler.
Muhammed

----- Original Message -----
From: Nitin Joshi <mailto:npjoshi@attcanada.email
To: Apurva Bahadur <mailto:iti@vsnl.email ; IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 12:16 PM
Subject: Odd names

I think that the name Capital Express was probably derived from Kautilya's book
"Das Capitol" who was the administrator during the time of Chandragupta Maurya,
part of the Maurya Empire - which I think I was located somewhere in Bihar. There
Also used to be a train that ran or runs as the Maurya Express.
 
I could be totally wrong on the above, let me know
 
Nitin Joshi

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: 28.August.99 05:35
Subject: Re: Odd names



Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
> express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
> state or the country ?

Sorry about the spelling mistake, in both case the correct
spelling is 'capital'.

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