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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: RMS

Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:58:17 -0500


Hello,
No, the entire RMS operation is now regarded too cumbersome and has been
almost done away with. None of that glorified sorting en-route, stamp
cancellation on the run etc.
Instead, trains are now used only to convey mail in gunny sacks from A
to B. All sorting, stamp cancellation etc.is done in the main post
office on terra firma, collated, and them loaded onto trains for onward
carriage. THe receiving body at the railway station is still loosely
referred to as the RMS, though.
Which is why you notice three things:
1.The familiar red PO cars are no longer in use. Older ones maybe, but
several trains simply carry mail in requisitioned ordinary second class
cars.
2.More often than not, these cars are the usual IR dull maroon: no
distinctive mark.No rushing down to the 'mail' van to post an urgent
leter.
3.No new Mail trains have been introduced for the past nearly two
decades. And ALL sorts of trains carry mail: mail, express, passenger.




Vdate@aol.email wrote:
>
> Do must run trains have anything to do with the mail carrying status
of the
> train. That is, if a train has RMS, it gets priority to run through.
by the
> way, do they still have RMS on trains and do they still sort the mail
in it?

From: Dr. A. K. Arora <>

Subject: An engine in hand !!!

Date: 27 Aug 1999 22:47:08 -0500



An engine in hand ...........

The word Railways was used for the first time in 14 century when wooden rails were used parallel in European mines to hall coal wagons.  Subsequently cast iron rails were used. After the invention of steam engines by James Watt in 1769, the idea of a self propelled engine cropped up to hall the wagons by railway engines.  So far the wagons were self driven or by catle power.

The mine owners offered research facilities, awards and rewards to their enginners to invent such an engine.  Several enginners were working to invent steam locomotives.  In 1805 Richard Threvitchek demonstrated his engine opposite present Totom court station in London.   The engine really moved by its own power, but it broke the rails.  So, parliament banned his engine.  His statue is still standing with an engine in hand on a square in London.......


====================================================================

Hello Friends !!!

I am a new member of the group.  A Ph.D in History.  Railways is my passion...

Keep poring your emails, i will be happy to answer your questions you may have regarding Indian or World Railways ....

I am author of " History of Subarban Railways" & " Nehru & Indian Railways" & numerous articles.

bye

Dr. Ashok K. Arora




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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: An engine in hand !!!

Date: 27 Aug 1999 23:37:54 -0500


A warm welcome to Dr. Arora, we Indian Railway enthusiast know who you are !
If I remember correctly you work in the operational department of WR ?

Apurva

"Dr. A. K. Arora" wrote:

 
 
An engine in hand ...........

The word Railways was used for the first time in 14 century when wooden rails were used parallel in European mines to hall coal wagons.  Subsequently cast iron rails were used. After the invention of steam engines by James Watt in 1769, the idea of a self propelled engine cropped up to hall the wagons by railway engines.  So far the wagons were self driven or by catle power.

The mine owners offered research facilities, awards and rewards to their enginners to invent such an engine.  Several enginners were working to invent steam locomotives.  In 1805 Richard Threvitchek demonstrated his engine opposite present Totom court station in London.   The engine really moved by its own power, but it broke the rails.  So, parliament banned his engine.  His statue is still standing with an engine in hand on a square in London.......
 

====================================================================

Hello Friends !!!

I am a new member of the group.  A Ph.D in History.  Railways is my passion...

Keep poring your emails, i will be happy to answer your questions you may have regarding Indian or World Railways ....

I am author of " History of Subarban Railways" & " Nehru & Indian Railways" & numerous articles.

bye

Dr. Ashok K. Arora
 
 


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From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: WCAG 1s at Bina

Date: 27 Aug 1999 23:40:45 -0500


Gang,
I also saw 2 WCAG 1 at Vasai station on 20/8/99 at 2.00 pm. The nos of
the locos were 21970 and 21971. 21971 departed at 13.45 hrs whilst I
was
waiting for my local to Mumbai, as the loco was carrying huge container
freight. At last the deadly beasts like WCG's era has ended !

Poras:-)

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?! (Suresh, Raymond, Apurva)

Date: 27 Aug 1999 23:50:55 -0500


WR stations SUBURBAN.
CHURCHGATE
MARINE LINES
CHARNI ROAD
GRANT ROAD
BOMBAY CENTRAL ( NOT MUMBAI PLS NOTE !)
MAHALAXMI
LOWER PAREL ( NOT ELPHINSTONE AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED
ELPHINSTONE ROAD
DADAR
MATUNGA
MAHIM JUNCTION
BANDRA
KHAR
SANTACRUZ
VILE PARLE
ANDHERI
JOGESHWARI
GOREGAON
MALAD
KANDIVILI
BORIVALI
DAHISAR
MIRA ROAD
BHAYENDAR
NAIGAON
VASAI ROAD
NALLASOPARA
VIRAR
VAITARNA
SAPHALE
KELVE ROAD
PALGHAR
BOISAR
VANGAON
DAHANU ROAD


------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

CR SUBURBAN STATIONS MAIN LINE\
VICTORIA TERMINUS (WE PARSIS ARE MORE LOYAL TO BRITS THAN INDIANS ISN'T
IT
HA !)
MASJID BUNDER
SANDHURST ROAD
BYCULLA
CHINCHPOKLI
CURREY ROAD
PAREL
DADAR
MATUNGA
SION
KURLA
VIDYAVIHAR
GHATKOPAR
VIKHROLI
KANJURMARG
BHANDUP
MULUND
THANE
KALWA
MUMBRA
DIVA
DOMBIVALI
THAKURLI
KALYAN
VITHALWADI
ULHASNAGAR
AMBERNATH
BADLAPUR
VANGNI
NERAL
SHELU
BHIVPURI
KARJAT.

I DO NOT KNOW THE NE LINE THAT IS KALYAN KASARA



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From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: WCAG 1s at Bina

Date: 27 Aug 1999 23:54:00 -0500


On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, HVC wrote:

> >> Also spotted two brand new WCAG 1s (No.s not seen) near Bina last
week.
> >> Looked like they were on way to Bombay side from CLW. But taking a
very
> >> peculiar route no doubt.
> >
> >Maybe not from CLW but from BHEL Bhopal ? Some of the WCAM 3s are on
lease
> from BHEL
> >to CR.
>
>
> Bina is North of Bhopal. And I think I just noticed the CLW builder
plate.
>
> Harsh
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237
I SAW THE BHEL PLATE ON 21970/71

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 27 Aug 1999 23:56:45 -0500


> Also, how do you define a platform? On NDLS I recall one stretch
being called 2 different platforms on the same side.

Pune has the same continuous structure labeled as Platform 1 (on which
the station master's office is) and platform 7 (the extension of the
platform towards Daund/ Miraj). I guess if another train can operate
independently from the second platform, it must be defined separately.
For this purpose a
crossover point exists in both directions between road 2 and road 1 on
platform 1. Is the platform on which the SM's office exists always the
platform no 1? The track nearest to the SM's office is always the road
1.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Odd names

Date: 28 Aug 1999 00:12:27 -0500


Gang !

Why is the 7225/26 Vijaywada - Londa train know as Amravati
express ?
Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
state or the country ?

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 00:18:41 -0500




Karthikeyan Seetharaman wrote:

> Some trivia questions that I always wanted to know...
> Which station has the most number of tracks? Most number of platforms?
> And which city has the most number of stations (excluding the metro
trains,
> i.e. Madras has 5 : Tambaram, Mambalam, Egmore, Central and Perambur,
> considering Tambaram is in madras)
> -Karthik

We have discussed this inconclusively earlier - Mumbai CSTM has 15
platforms with more being
constructed near Masjid Bunder. I guess Howrah has even more platforms
and many many 'parcel'
lines between the two buildings.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: railway junction with maximum fan-out

Date: 28 Aug 1999 00:49:34 -0500


> The line from Panvel to JNPT has a branch to Jasai and Uran. That
branch occurs --BEFORE-- there is any other listed station/halt, and my
program is wholly station-driven. So Panvel-JNPT and Panvel-Jasai count
as two lines... I wondered if anyone would notice... :)

There would be one more towards the new proposed alignment to Karjat.
There is a minor road that runs between Panvel and Karjat, I guess the
new track would take a similar path. I was told that there is some
serious tunneling to be done in this section. Another person
told me that there is just ONE valley which would allow the PNV - KJT
track without any tunnels. In future you could see Mumbai - Pune trains
taking a right turn at Kurla (thereby blocking all the Up lines ?) and
using the New Mumbai route upto Panvel, then using the
Panvel - Karjat road to come to Karjat, thereby saving almost 1 hour
from their old timing. The enormously complex Kalyan is avoided this
way.

Apurva

> Per my data, Ghorpuri is *NOT* on the line to Daund... am I wrong?
Pune-Hadapsar does not pass Ghorpadi?

The lines to Daund and Miraj leave Pune and continue in the SE direction
upto Goods Intertranshipment Yard (GIT yard- term from the time Pune had
a MG line from Miraj in the late 60s) at Ghorpadi. Then the Miraj line
flanks the south border of GIT yard, touching the
diesel loco shed and Ghorpadi station to go a separate way towards
Saswad Road. The Daund line flanks the North border of the GIT yard and
has a halt there called as (take a guess) - 'GIT' and then proceeds
towards Hadapsar. So it is Pune Jn itself which is the 'junction'
as per your definition. In any case all the train handling points
(switches ) upto Ghorpadi and Hadapsar are controlled from the Pune main
route relay interlock. The GIT yard has its own controller.

Apurva

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Y2K Compliance in IR

Date: 28 Aug 1999 00:53:12 -0500



a BUSINESS LINE article


Rly reservation system to be Y2K ready by Oct
NEW DELHI, Aug. 26

THE extended passenger reservation system (PRS) of the Indian Railways
will
be fully Y2K compliant by October 1, 1999, a Ministry release said.

Therefore, railway reservations for trains operating from January 1,
2000, will
begin on schedule from November 2 this year, the Railway Ministry said
here.

The Ministry, which made a presentation to the Y2K Task Force headed by
Dr. M. S. Ahluwalia, Member, Planning Commission, has said that it would
be fully Y2K compliant by end September this year.

The five mainframe computers running the PRS, which handles around 6.5
lakh reservation transactions daily, are already Y2K compliant (both
hardware and software), a Ministry press release said. The operating
system, which handles applications for reservation and cancellations has
been tested and this will be replicated throughout the entire system.

The extended 500-centre system, consisting of the remoteu
reservation counters, will be made fully compliant by October 1,
1999. ``Contingency plans have also been drawn up to use the
railway communications lines, if necessary, in case of failure
of Department of Telecom (DoT) leased lines'', the release said.

Also planned is an integrated Y2K audit of railways, telecommunications
and
power sectors for the Mumbai and Calcutta suburban railway sections.
Such
external audits have also been prepared for other critical areas.
Signalling
systems and maintenance equipment are already compliant, the statement
said.

However, out of the 42 supervisory control and data acquisition
(SCADA) systems which are being used for traction power distribution,
36 have been found to be non-compliant. The statement said that
efforts would be made to ensure smooth functioning of these systems.
``As a contingency measure, all major installations would be
manned from December 30, 1999 to ensure disruption-free service.''

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 00:58:23 -0500


> Could depend on definition. Mumbai, for example, has regular
long-distance trains that start/terminate from all these stations:-
Mumbai CT, Mumbai CST, Dadar, Kurla and Kalyan (OK, Kalyan is stretching
it, but 38 kms from Kurla...) - but maybe also Mahim/Bandra (this is
from memory - am I correct?).

No mail/express/passenger starts from Kalyan. CTSM, Dadar, Kurla, BCT
and Bandra terminus is correct. I hope you are not talking of EMU
starting stations here.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:21:36 -0500




Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> No mail/express/passenger starts from Kalyan. CTSM, Dadar, Kurla, BCT
and Bandra terminus is correct. I hope you are not talking of EMU
starting stations here.

I forgot Diva Jn. (and also Panvel Jn. ?) from where some passengers
trains towards Konkan Rly start. A passenger train towards Pune starts
from Karjat.

>
>
> Apurva

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:21:48 -0500




howrah has upto platform 21 (which is on the new SER side). of course i
havent counted the parcel sheds.

samit

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Karthikeyan Seetharaman <skeyan@netscape.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:48
Subject: Re: Questions on IR trivia


>
>
> Karthikeyan Seetharaman wrote:
>
> > Some trivia questions that I always wanted to know...
> > Which station has the most number of tracks? Most number of
platforms?
> > And which city has the most number of stations (excluding the metro
trains,
> > i.e. Madras has 5 : Tambaram, Mambalam, Egmore, Central and
Perambur,
> > considering Tambaram is in madras)
> > -Karthik
>
> We have discussed this inconclusively earlier - Mumbai CSTM has 15
platforms with more being
> constructed near Masjid Bunder. I guess Howrah has even more platforms
and
many many 'parcel'
> lines between the two buildings.
>
> Apurva
>
>
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Odd names

Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:35:25 -0500




Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Also why is 3245/46 Katihar - Danapur train called as Capitol
> express where it does not come near any capitol of neither the
> state or the country ?

Sorry about the spelling mistake, in both case the correct
spelling is 'capital'.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:Fw: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:39:55 -0500




Samit Roychoudhury wrote:

> howrah has upto platform 21 (which is on the new SER side). of course
i
> havent counted the parcel sheds.

I have always wondered what is on the left of the HWH SER platform
facing KGP.
There seem to be many lines there as well. Can you identify the plithed
tank
loco outside the station ?

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw:Fw: Questions on IR trivia

Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:46:41 -0500


i'll have a look the next time i'm there


----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Samit Roychoudhury <samr@vsnl.email
Cc: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 15:09
Subject: Re: Fw: Questions on IR trivia


>
>
> Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> > howrah has upto platform 21 (which is on the new SER side). of
course i
> > havent counted the parcel sheds.
>
> I have always wondered what is on the left of the HWH SER platform
facing
KGP.
> There seem to be many lines there as well. Can you identify the
plithed
tank
> loco outside the station ?
>
>
>

From: Dr. A. K. Arora <>

Subject: Re: An engine in hand !!!

Date: 28 Aug 1999 03:14:22 -0500



Dear Apurva,

Thank you for the warm welcome..

I was motorman on the Western Railway, now i have taken retirement (
voluntary ) at the age of 50 years..

Now i am devoting time on Railway studies...

Dr. A. K. Arora

>From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
>To: "Dr. A. K. Arora" <doctorarora@hotmail.email
>CC: irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: An engine in hand !!!
>Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:07:54 +0530
>
>A warm welcome to Dr. Arora, we Indian Railway enthusiast know
>who you are !
>If I remember correctly you work in the operational department
>of WR ?
>
>Apurva
>
>"Dr. A. K. Arora" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> An engine in hand ...........
>
> The word Railways was used for the first time in 14 century
> when wooden rails were used parallel in European mines to
> hall coal wagons. Subsequently cast iron rails were used.
> After the invention of steam engines by James Watt in 1769,
> the idea of a self propelled engine cropped up to hall the
> wagons by railway engines. So far the wagons were self
> driven or by catle power.
>
> The mine owners offered research facilities, awards and
> rewards to their enginners to invent such an engine. Several
> enginners were working to invent steam locomotives. In 1805
> Richard Threvitchek demonstrated his engine opposite present
> Totom court station in London. The engine really moved by
> its own power, but it broke the rails. So, parliament banned
> his engine. His statue is still standing with an engine in
> hand on a square in London.......
>
>
> ====================================================================
>
> Hello Friends !!!
>
> I am a new member of the group. A Ph.D in History. Railways
> is my passion...
>
> Keep poring your emails, i will be happy to answer your
> questions you may have regarding Indian or World Railways
> ....
>
> I am author of " History of Subarban Railways" & " Nehru &
> Indian Railways" & numerous articles.
>
> bye
>
> Dr. Ashok K. Arora
>
>
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: An engine in hand !!!

Date: 28 Aug 1999 04:17:17 -0500


welcome to IRFCA dr arora

nice to have you here :)

samit

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: [Fwd: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?! (Suresh, Raymond, Apurva)

Date: 28 Aug 1999 05:59:24 -0500

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