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From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Cameras are no help.

Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:50:27 -0500


>It is also noticed that even experts cannot pinpoint the reasons
>which cause a disaster. Technology used in airplanes such as the CVR
>and FDR should be devised for the Railways, too.

Dear Sarosh,
For your info, the ABB locos do have rail
version
of FDR. There is presently no need for a CVR as there are no means for
the
driver to talk to the traffic controllers.

Harsh

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: More questions for DLW

Date: 26 Aug 1999 11:09:11 -0500



>I am very glad to hear that. Let us know where the WDP 2s will be
deployed
(the 1st >three powers home at GOC and work TPU - MAS loads ?), also
some
newer powers >home to KZJ and TKD ? I personally feel very proud of the
WDP
2, which is an Indian >effort.

The WDP 2s are here at TKD shed. I have seen a few of them(150002/3/5/7)
although none working a train yet. They don't look exactly out of the
world
from outside (the camel livery is very dull too) but the cabs are indeed
very good. A bit like the WAP 1s indeed.

Also spotted two brand new WCAG 1s (No.s not seen) near Bina last week.
Looked like they were on way to Bombay side from CLW. But taking a very
peculiar route no doubt.

Harsh

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: More on slow trains

Date: 26 Aug 1999 11:22:07 -0500



> So I'm to understand that there is a 12 hour law in India? What
happens
> when the crew hits that 12 hour limit? Does the train stop where it
is
> and a relief crew come to the train?

I was told by one IR officer that there is a 12-hour law, that is
a driver cannot be on duty for more than 12 hours continuously.
(One can play around with this number slightly by showing
that the driver reported for duty just a few minutes before
he took charge of the loco, while in reality they may be
expected to report half-an-hour to one hour in advance.

He also told me that the drivers are never assigned duties for
more than 8 hours. It is too tiring to drive even 8 hours. But
if the train gets delayed upto 4+ hours while he is driving it,
the crew change will still occur at the usual place. In case
the train is getting very late, for example, some accident and
the line gets blocked for 5-6 hours, then control people are
supposed to keep track of the duty hours of the drivers, so that
alternate crew can be arranged on an earlier station. He also
told me that it can also happen that a train might stop at a
station because of engine failure or some other major problem,
and the duty hours may exceed 12 hours, and there is no crew
available at that station, in such situations the crew will be
sent from the nearest "big" station to relieve the current crew.

But such a situation is extremely rare. It can almost always be
predicted that the crew will exceed 12 hours, and changed at a
proper place.

-dheeraj
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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?! (Suresh, Raymond, Apurva)

Date: 26 Aug 1999 11:45:57 -0500


This was sent to me for comment by Apurva (it makes fascinating reading,
thanks)... Could you forward it to the original writers (I am not sure
who they are from their first names, Suresh and Raymond), Apurva?

>A couple of years, I was going through Bill Aitken's "Exploring Indian
>Railways." One of the fascinating accounts in that book is the travel
by
>the narrow gauge 1 Satpura Express from Chanda Fort to Jabalpur. Since
my
>father was stationed in Jabalpur in the late fifties (he was in the
>Telecommunications service, and the Telecommunication Training Centre
was
>located there), I asked him whether he had ever travelled by the 1
Satpura
>Express. Somewhat to my surprise, he said that he had, and proceed to
>explain:
>In the fifties, the Government rules stated that in order to get
>compensation for travel, you had to not only perform the journey
>(documentation required) but you had to do so by the shortest path.
>Apparently, some bureaucrat (according to my father, "probably a south
>indian brahmin") had determined that the shortest path from Madras to
>Jabalpur was Madras-Nagpur-Gondia-Jabalpur and it involved catching the
1
>Satpura Express at Gondia. My father told me that the 1
>Satpura Express would typically come crowded into Gondia with all doors
>and windows locked in the middle of the night. A furious banging would
>result, and sure enough, some "idiot" in the train would partially open
>his window to see what the commotion was all about. This was what the
>passengers at Gondia were waiting for: the moment a window was
partially
>open, they would immediately put their hand in and open the window
>completely. They would then physically haul themselves into the train
via
>the open window. (I guess there were no bars then!) It was also well
>understood that once you did get into the train, then you became an
>"insider" and it was your duty to make sure that others did not enter
the
>train.
>On hearing this story, I was struck by the fact that the 1 Satpura
Express
>starts from Chanda Fort, and any Madras-Delhi train would have stopped
at
>Chandrapur (this was the late fifties). So, someone must have computed
>that Madras-Chanda Fort-Jabalpur was NOT the shortest path. Of
course,
>the most "sensible" way of getting to Jabalpur would probably have been

>Madras-Itarsi-Jabalpur.

Yes and No (here we ignore how many train/gauge changes are required -
more on that later). Use of EGMORE would add 2 kms to everything (so it
is irrelevant).

CHENNAI CENTRAL - ONGOLE - VIJAYAWADA - BALHARSHAH - WARDHA - NAGPUR -
GONDIA - JABALPUR = 1452 kms
is actually the shortest - no Itarsi.

The shortest route via Itarsi is much longer - as it too passes through
Nagpur, we just need to compare:-
NAGPUR - GONDIA - JABALPUR = 357 kms
while
NAGPUR - ITARSI - JABALPUR = 543 kms
So there is an extra 186 kms via Itarsi, making:
CHENNAI CENTRAL - ITARSI - JABALPUR = 1638 kms

However
CHENNAI CENTRAL - CHANDA FORT - JABALPUR = 1741 kms, another 103 kms
longer still.

>The point here is that mathematically speaking, the computation of the
>shortest path is hardly trivial

Correct.

>-- especially given the somewhat
>intricate rail network that we possess. The "hard" way of doing this,
I
>suppose, is to enumerate ALL possible ways of getting from point A to
>point B (this is bound to be very difficult on account of the number of
>diffrent combinations) and then see which of these
>gives you the shortest distance.

No, ALL possible ways would take the life of the Universe to compute,
and then more. There are hundreds of "junction points"....

The algorithm I have written uses probability and trigonometry (to favor
in which direction to head - but remember, sometimes you need to head in
the opposite direction too, so the program uses randomness too) and lots
of permutations are generated. For all the above, tens of millions of
"legs" were considered. The more time you give it, the more probable you
are that the best result found so far is THE best. In practise on a
modern PC, for short distances (under 250 kms) my algorithm generates
>99% results (probability the route is distance-optimal) in a second or
so. For about 1,000 kms routes, in 15 seconds or so. For about 2,000 km
routes, several minutes. For the really long routes
(Likhapani-Kanniyakumari!) it can take several hours to reach near
certainty... Of course, it already displays the best answer found so far
- it is just knowing whether that is the BEST possible answer.

All the results I quote in this email are >99.5% likely to be
distance-optimal.

>Is there any "smart" algorithm available
>which can be used to compute the shortest path between two points in a
>given network? (Most of us use some version of a "smart algorithm."
>For instance, in computing the shortest distance between Delhi and
>Madras, we are not going to consider paths which take us through
>Mumbai, even though there is a path from Delhi to Madras via Mumbai.)
>Does anyone how the "shortest path" is determined in practice in IR?

"Wrongly"

Only kidding, but read below! :)

>Sometime back, I read an article (by J.V. Narlikar?) about teaching
>practices in India. As usual, he condemned the unimaginative teaching
>which goes on in our schools with it's emphasis on rote. As an example
of
>"imaginative teaching" he suggested that students be given a copy of
the
>Railway Time Table and asked to find the shortest path between two
given
>points. One can only hope that this will be put into practice...
>Suresh

>Dear Suresh and gang,
>There is an algorithm that is resident now in the software for the PRS

What is the PRS?

>of IR, but I just have no idea what it is.
>For example, I had wanted to book direct tickets from Chennai to
Kathgodam
>via New Delhi, but the PRS said the direct tickets would be Chennai -
>Mathura - Lalkua - Kathgodam. The PRS does not really bother that we
would
>have to change trains at Mathura and then again at Lalkua.

Well, I see
CHENNAI CENTRAL - NEW DELHI = 2184 kms
NEW DELHI - KATHGODAM = 296 kms
So
CHENNAI CENTRAL - NEW DELHI - KATHGODAM = 2480 kms.

In contrast:-
CHENNAI CENTRAL - MATHURA = 2043 kms
which is shortest, via Nagpur; and
MATHURA - KATHGODAM = 345 kms
via Lalkua, of course. So
CHENNAI CENTRAL - MATHURA - KATHGODAM = 2388 kms.
Which is 92 kms less than via New Delhi.

So PRS were correct about the Mathura-only route (which is via Nagpur)
being faster than the NDLS route - but were they correct about it being
the SHORTEST way from Madras to Kathgodam?

No!

PRS were also wrong.

CHENNAI CENTRAL - NAGPUR - ITARSI - JHANSI - AGRA CANTT - HATHRAS -
MORADABAD - KATHGODAM = 2372 kms.
A further 16 kms saving!

:)

>However, there is an exception that comes readily to mind. The Chennai
-
>Jaipur shortest route according to the PRS is Chennai - Bina - Kota -
>Sawai Madhopur - Jaipur.

>Now however the Chennai - Jaipur Express does not
>go by the shortest route, but you can still get direct tickets
>because it is by a single train.

A sensible exception.

>Now I do wonder what the JAT - TVM shortest route would be, or to make
it
>simpler NDLS - TVM.

I must point out that the shortest JAT-TVM route does not involve NDLS
(instead, Jakhal-Dhuri).

>Is it via BRC and KR, via ET BSL and then KR, or MAS,
>QLN.

See my previous email (subject "Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments;
other questions") where I give some key "shortest" routes including
JAMMU TAWI - KANNIYAKUMARI.

The short answer is the Konkan Railway (KR) route is shortest.

>Regards
>Raymond



Regards to all

L Webber


PS: Please, any answers (needed for my work) to:

(A) What are the names of these (4?) intermediate CR Mumbai Suburban
stops?
Thane - ?? - ?? - ?? - ?? - Turbhe

(B) What WR Mumbai Suburban stations am I missing? Are they in the
correct sequence?
Churchgate
Charni Road
Marine Lines
Grant Road
Mumbai Central
Dadar Jn.
Mahim Jn.
Bandra
Khar Road
Santacruz
Vile Parle
Andheri
Jogeshwari
Goregaon
Malad
Kandivli
Borivali
Mira Road
Bhayander
Vasai Road
Virar

(C) What are the gauges (BG/MG/NG) of the following:
ER Rajgir - Bakhtiyarpur Jn.
NEFR New Bongaigaon - Goalpara Town
WR Jambusar Jn. - Bodeli


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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re:Fw: [IRFCA] please avoid potentially offensive references

Date: 26 Aug 1999 11:56:24 -0500


Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> ok just to set things straight and so that anita get ever more
convinced i'm
> not a feminist ... just wanted to say that I LOVE SHOPPING. :)
>

Samit,

I just want to say that I am rolling on the floor laughing my a$& off!

Anita

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: steam

Date: 26 Aug 1999 12:05:50 -0500


Hello,
I just want to thank you all for your kind and helpful comments on my
first shot at a web page. I consider myself an IWAC(idiot with a
computer) and no very little about this stuff.I am completely blind with
this thing and have been going by trial and error,(more errors). I may
take the offer of help, but have to wait awhile. Work is calling and my
be a few days before I can spend time at it.I love RR photographyand
photography in general), and have many more pics of India I want to
share.

Tim

P.S. I would reply to you all individually but I'm very short on time
this week.

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Shortest Routes, PRS Mistakes..?! - Part 2

Date: 26 Aug 1999 12:27:14 -0500





I forgot to comment on this:-

>However, there is an exception that comes readily to mind. The Chennai
-
>Jaipur shortest route according to the PRS is Chennai - Bina - Kota -
>Sawai Madhopur - Jaipur.

Now the shortest routes for these legs are:-
CHENNAI CENTRAL - BINA = 1623 kms
This route is via Wardha and Itarsi and then follows the CR Mumbai-Delhi
main-line track.
BINA - JAIPUR = 542 kms
This is via Kota & Sawai Madhopur.
So, according to PRS, the shortest Chennai-Jaipur route is 2165 kms.

But, PRS are wrong (again)!

I can improve on this by avoiding Bina and instead going from Wardha to
Akola, cutting that CR route at Khandwa, then to Indore and Nagda
following the WR Mumbai-Delhi main-line to Sawai Madhopur.
CHENNAI CENTRAL - WARDHA = 1017 kms
WARDHA - SAWAI MADHOPUR = 939 kms
SAWAI MADHOPUR - JAIPUR = 133 kms
Making a shortest route of:-
CHENNAI CENTRAL - WARDHA - SAWAI MADHOPUR - JAIPUR = 2089 kms
which is a saving of 76 kms over the PRS "shortest" route.


Regards to all

L Webber

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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 26 Aug 1999 13:34:50 -0500


Sorry about that, that's what I meant - my sentence should have read
"ABB staff don't allow IR MAINTENANCE crews to work on the WAP5".

-----Original Message-----
From: HVC [mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 10:39 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi; irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re:




>1) There are special facilities maintained by ABB folks at GZB that
don't
>exist anywhere else. (I believe Harsh mentioned that the ABB staff
don't
>allow IR crews to work on the WAP5).


No, Iam afraid it is only for the maintenance that ADtranz has its own
loco
shed and bay at GZB. Of course it is IR crews which work the trains
regularly. Maintainance by ADtranz is a part of the contract with ABB. I
believe it would be a similar arrangement with GE for the WDG 4s.


>BTW, Does anyone have a list of trains that run with the WAP5?


Delhi - Bombay Rajdhani (upto BRC)
Delhi - Bhopal Shatabdi
Delhi - Allahabad Prayagraj Exp.
Delhi - Howrah Rajdhani Exp.
Delhi - Puri Puroshottam Exp.(occasionally)
Delhi - Lucknow Gomti Exp. (occasionally upto CNB)


Harsh

From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Book news

Date: 26 Aug 1999 14:17:58 -0500


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I have a book here which may well be of interest to list members so
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It will go in the catalogue at probably GBP35 in a few weeks time but
deserves a good and appreciative home.

Regards

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From: Sankaran Kumar <>

Subject: howrah-madras express

Date: 26 Aug 1999 18:32:16 -0500


In response to a comment about the Howrah-Madras Express being scrapped
and
repleced by the Coromandel Express, the HWH-MAS express was not
scrapped; it
became the Bokaro-Madras Express and then the Bokaro-Alleppey Express
(or
Bullock Cart, if you prefer).

So the Delhi-Howrah Janata Express is back eh? Does it stop at
Chittaranjan? It didn't use to before; whereas faster trains like the
Howrah-Amritsar Mail stop at Chittaranjan.

Kumar


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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: SUPER SLOW?

Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:29:52 -0500



> Also Saurashtra Janata Express, Bombay-Ferozepore Janata,and so on and
> so forth.

Hello Shankar,

I am taking Saurashtra Janta Express today evening for Wankaner. I
don't find this this train Super slow. Do you Appu, Sarosh & Shri? We
took
the same train to Wankaner in January. Yes it did halt for 10/15 minutes
at Palghar & Bulsar (OOps! Valsad I mean) but that was to let both the
Rajdhanis pass.

Shankar I am sure you are meaning 9215 Saurashtra Express - 7.45hrs dep.
from Bombay Central which stops at almost all the stations & not 9017
Saurashtra Janta Express - 16.25 dep. from Bandra Terminus.

Anyways I am going to enjoy this weekend at Wankaner & Morbi with
Steaming
Black Beauties.

Regards
Viraf.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:30:33 -0500


> No, Iam afraid it is only for the maintenance that ADtranz has its own
loco
> shed and bay at GZB. Of course it is IR crews which work the trains
> regularly. Maintainance by ADtranz is a part of the contract with ABB.
I
> believe it would be a similar arrangement with GE for the WDG 4s.

A similar situation exist about the Cummins and Caterpillar engines used
for railway
purposes (DMUs, Rajdhani power cars etc). The railwaymen are glad that
someone else is
responsible for maintaining those engines. Please remember that the CLW
has stopped
making 800 HP MAK engines (including stopping of the manufacture of WDS
4 range ?) so
private engine manufacturers would have increasing participation in the
IR. I remember
a repower of a WDS 4 with a Cummins VTA 1710 last year (700 - 800 HP) in
the Matunga
workshops. What will be the future shunting power of the IR, the WDS 6 ?

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:30:33 -0500


> No, Iam afraid it is only for the maintenance that ADtranz has its own
loco
> shed and bay at GZB. Of course it is IR crews which work the trains
> regularly. Maintainance by ADtranz is a part of the contract with ABB.
I
> believe it would be a similar arrangement with GE for the WDG 4s.

A similar situation exist about the Cummins and Caterpillar engines used
for railway
purposes (DMUs, Rajdhani power cars etc). The railwaymen are glad that
someone else is
responsible for maintaining those engines. Please remember that the CLW
has stopped
making 800 HP MAK engines (including stopping of the manufacture of WDS
4 range ?) so
private engine manufacturers would have increasing participation in the
IR. I remember
a repower of a WDS 4 with a Cummins VTA 1710 last year (700 - 800 HP) in
the Matunga
workshops. What will be the future shunting power of the IR, the WDS 6 ?

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: WCAG 1s at Bina

Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:23:16 -0500



> Also spotted two brand new WCAG 1s (No.s not seen) near Bina last
week.
> Looked like they were on way to Bombay side from CLW. But taking a
very
> peculiar route no doubt.

Maybe not from CLW but from BHEL Bhopal ? Some of the WCAM 3s are on
lease from BHEL
to CR.

Apurva

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: howrah-madras express

Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:29:39 -0500



> the HWH-MAS express was not scrapped; it became
> the Bokaro-Madras Express and then the Bokaro-Alleppey Express
> (or Bullock Cart, if you prefer).

I was told by DRM, Sambalpur, recently that Bokaro-Alleppey Exp.
may be slow, but it is one of the most reliable train.
It is an "MR" train. Let me explain that.

There is a set of trains whose details are given to the Minister
of Railways every day (like delays, or any other serious problem).
The staff calls these trains the "MR" trains, and everybody tries
their best to make sure that they don't get delayed.

In Nitish Kumar's time, Bokaro-Alleppey Exp. was one of the "MR" trains.

-dheeraj
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Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: SUPER SLOW?

Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:37:07 -0500


> I am taking Saurashtra Janta Express today evening for Wankaner. I
> don't find this this train Super slow. Do you Appu, Sarosh & Shri?

On the contrary I was very very impressed with the pace that the train
was taking.
After all I had just arrived from Pune on the Pragati express, and that
IS slow in
comparison.

> Anyways I am going to enjoy this weekend at Wankaner & Morbi with
Steaming
> Black Beauties.

I feel a twinge of envy here, lucky fellow. Have a nice time, get us
more pictures. Do
write a trip report.
At Morbi, find out how the NG alignment to Ghantila shared the Machu
river bridge. Was
this a gauntleted track? Also find out where the NG rake was stabled as
Morbi as there
is only one platform. Are you also doing Dahinsara/ Maliya Miyana ?

Apurva

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: message from a european irfca watcher

Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:45:46 -0500



Guten Tag Klaus,

It nice to have a music composer from the land of J.Strauss on our list.

I am very fond of listening to Western Classical music and last year had
posted a list of musical pieces of various composers depicting trains in
motion. And now you have incorporated Indian train Sounds in your music.
THATS GREAT.

I also happen to be an SNCF freak and am dying to lay my hands on
Honneger's "Pacific 231".

WELCOME ABOARD.

Regards

Viraf.



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Tel: +91-22-8954510
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From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: WCAG 1s at Bina

Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0500


>> Also spotted two brand new WCAG 1s (No.s not seen) near Bina last
week.
>> Looked like they were on way to Bombay side from CLW. But taking a
very
>> peculiar route no doubt.
>
>Maybe not from CLW but from BHEL Bhopal ? Some of the WCAM 3s are on
lease
from BHEL
>to CR.


Bina is North of Bhopal. And I think I just noticed the CLW builder
plate.

Harsh

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments; other questions

Date: 26 Aug 1999 22:05:45 -0500


All IR AC passenger coaches(new) use 110 V DC but there is no provision
of a
user's socket.

As far as I know, only the palace on Wheels and Royal Orient have got
110 V
AC sockets for shavers.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: lwebber@planetmail.email <lwebber@planetmail.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments; other questions


>I am forwarding the query yesterday about the 'shortest path algorithm
on
the IR' to you. Maybe you have an explanation.
>
>
>> Now, I need a little data I am missing. AND SOME IMPORTANT
INFORMATION
RE ELECTRIC SUPPLY IN THE ACC1 COMPARTMENTS.
>
>> (D) URGENT!! I will be taking a friend to India in a few weeks,
travelling ACC1. While in the compartment, he needs to use a device that
needs 'mains' electricity to run (no chance of it working on a battery).
The
device can cope with voltages anywhere from 105-250 Volts A.C., consumes
at
most 20 Watts (like a dim bulb or a shaver), and is very fault tolerant
(does not matter if the power is poor) and safe.
>
>I have never seen a shaver socket in an IR coach. But cannot be sure
about
the ACC1. If the train has a HOG or EOG (i.e. genset at either end) then
715
V 3 phase @ 50 Hz. is transmitted throughout the train. There is a
transformer in each of these non self generated coaches and they step
the
715 V to 110 VAC (not sure). If the ACC1 is a self generated type then
the
axle driven brushless alternator charges batteries to 110 VDC. This
supply
if locally inverted to run the tube lights. The fans are run on DC while
the
whole air conditioning system, is powered off a massive inverter
(located
opposite the washbasin near the door) which converts 110 VDC to 415
VAC.
There is one more electrical load in the newer coaches with packaged AC
units, and that is the water pump used to
>pressurize the plumbing. That is an ELGI unit fitted under floor near
the
water tanks and has a DC motor. All Diesel locos also have a similar
fuel
lifting 'priming pump' fitted near the expressor (the part with a blue
motor).
>
>> I believe that even where there are electrical sockets provided in
the
compartment by IR, they usually do not work.
>> Is this correct? If they do work, is it a standard Indian 2-round-pin
socket, or a flat-pinned shaver-type socket? I imagine it is A.C. - what
is
the voltage?
>> If my belief is right (most sockets won't work) I intend to plug the
device into a light-bulb fitting. Does anyone know what the fitting
diameter
& type (bayonet/screw) is for the (a) overhead compartment lights; and
(b)
the "bedside" reading lamps? That way I can get a safe cord made up to
fit.
Obviously I can't ask IR about this... :( I'm competent with
electricity.
>> PLEASE, HELP!
>
>I am curious of what this device can be ? Do not take any risk with a
life
critical medical device like a nebulizer. It is better that your friend
does
not take the train at all. The reading lamp (the one with the flip top)
may
contain 110 VDC or AC depending on the type of the coach. I think that
is a
bayonet lamp. There is an RCF website where you could post a question
like
that.
><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html</A>
>Maybe there is an answer somewhere.
>
>I'll try to find out this info from the coaching section of Pune Jn.
>
>Apurva
>
>
>
>

From: HVC <>

Subject: Slow trains of IR.

Date: 26 Aug 1999 22:17:55 -0500


Personally, I love slow trains that stop at every other station. I wish
there was more opportunity for me to take these instead of those which
just
whiz past the small, beautiful and clean countryside stations. Also
preferred is a single line unelectrified track.

What I however do not like is too much crowding in the coaches but
inspite
of that 2nd class sleeper/ general is always preferred over the 1st. WR
and
SR trains are the best from that point of view. NR and ER the worst.

Some of the slow trains mentioned by others are my all time favourites!

Harsh

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