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From: Julian Rainbow <>

Subject: Re: (no subject)

Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:37:22 -0500


Greatly enjoyed a North Borneo page, but be aware that North British is
not
an English company, it is either British or Scottish

Julian
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From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: 25 August 1999 18:25
Subject: (no subject)


>Hello,
>Check out this url:
>
><A HREF="http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~noz/india/eid-idx.html">http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~noz/india/eid-idx.html</A>
>
>Cheers.
>
>Shankar
>

From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: Fw: request for YP photographs

Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:19:15 -0500





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Good Morning,

We produce a Newsletter which mails to over 6,000 subscribers in =
Australia and New Zealand.

We are doing an article on Indian Railways. The YP engine looks =
fascinating.

We require good quality High Resolutiono JPEG images (and your =
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and background history on the YP.

I have seen the Mhow - Jan 1998 sit on the net. These pictures are =
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From: Klaus Hollinetz <>

Subject: message from a european irfca watcher

Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:21:02 -0500


Folks!

There is even somebody from Austria reading the IRCFA email discussions!
I subscribed some months ago, read most of the stuff, not all I must
admit,
because it is such a lot. Although sometimes quite exotic, sometimes a
little too detailed (at least for me), I am very glad that I can
participate. I personally would prefer more general and atmospheric
detail,
but an unusual high level of communication and insight - so it seems -
is
kept anyway. That is great, thank you all.
Sorry, I have very little to contribute here. My interest in railways is
worldwide, the more far out the better (from my point of view). The last
time I was in India is now quite a long time ago, I spent many days in
trains in 1978 and 1981/82, travelling the country from Calcutta to
Jaisalmer, from Hardwar to Trivandrum - more or less. I have good
memories
of looking out of these endless trains in foggy mornings, watching the
sun
rise, coal dust in the sleepy face, drinking tea out of one of these
undescribable clay cups, which scented the tea with that unforgettable
aroma, these big rusty engines and the invisible trackbed, green with
grass (I could go on with that...). In 1994 I came near, as I travelled
to
Sri Lanka, again lots of these great train rides...
What I generally hope to get from IRFCA is more information about nearly
everything concerned with IR.
But, as a music composer, who works a lot with Electroacoustic Music,
making music with computers, sound installations, radio programs and the
like, I am specially interested in train sounds (I already used train
sounds in musical pieces) from India (the Great). Any ideas? There is a
lot
mp3s in the Net these days, but many people have more in the backhand I
am
sure. It would be nice to have not only (train)sounds on my forthcoming
webpages but also some "sound-collages".

Sincerly
Klaus Hollinetz

p.s.: To all who are concerned: Please NEVER send attached pics or scans
in
a serious mailing list like IRFCA. They might be funny or interesting,
but
not to everybody. Put them in your homepage and submit the URL.



xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Klaus Hollinetz
Steinhumergutstraße 1
A-4050 Traun
tel/fax +43 7229 62900
klaus.hollinetz@servus.email

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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Narrow gauge luxury train.

Date: 25 Aug 1999 19:37:57 -0500


On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> Would this be the first (contemporary) narrow gauge luxury train on
IR?
> Read on....
>

Hello Vijay,

The Shivalik Deluxe has been introduced on the lines of Shatabdi
Express.
This train has only one stop - Barog. The journey time is 4hrs 45 mins.
The amenity fittings match the modern times. Wall to wall carpet, wide
glass windows, reversible cushioned chairs, improved toilet facilities,
cabin for the couple, tables for meals, tube lights, music system, micro
phones for communication with the guard to name just a few. With a
sitting
capacity of 120 it connects the Howrah - Kalka Mail. The fare is
Rs.305/-
per ticket. Breakfast is served in Up & dinner in Dn direction.

For an exciting & charming journey for the elite class tourist between
Kalka & Shimla there is a Shivalik Palace Tourist Coach. The Shivalik
Palace has an board catering with exclusive range of kitchen ware.
Special
features include - decorative lights, musical cordless bell, music
system,
variety of indoor games, magazines & books, most ultra-modern amenity
fittings in bathroom, artificial decorative plant, dinning table with
beautiful cushioned chairs, folding beds etc. Shivalik Palace is meant
normally for a party of 6 persons. The fare is Rs.8225 (both ways).
Meals
are provided onboard as well as two retiring rooms at Shimla for one
day.

This info is as per the brochure issued by the Directorate of Tourism,
Ministry of Railways.


==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments; other questions

Date: 25 Aug 1999 23:14:46 -0500


Hi Gang! After an extended trip to India, and much other work, I'm back.
I am the guy developing the IR Simulator. As a memory jogger, check out
the statistics at the end of the post. It is coming along (I am
broadening the scope a bit). Vijay Balasubramanian, Apurva Bahadur,
Rajan Mathew, Poras Saklatvala and Rangachari Anand all had helpful
input.

Now, I need a little data I am missing. AND SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION
RE ELECTRIC SUPPLY IN THE ACC1 COMPARTMENTS.


(A) What are the names of these (4?) intermediate CR Suburban stops?
----------
Thane
??
??
??
??
Turbhe
-----------


(B) What WR Suburban stations am I missing?
Are they in the correct sequence?
-----------
Churchgate
Charni Road
Marine Lines
Grant Road
Mumbai Central
Dadar Jn.
Mahim Jn.
Bandra
Khar Road
Santacruz
Vile Parle
Andheri
Jogeshwari
Goregaon
Malad
Kandivli
Borivali
Mira Road
Bhayander
Vasai Road
Virar
-----------


(C) What are the gauges (BG/MG/NG) of the following:
ER Rajgir - Bakhtiyarpur Jn.
NEFR New Bongaigaon - Goalpara Town
WR Jambusar Jn. - Bodeli


(D) URGENT!! I will be taking a friend to India in a few weeks,
travelling ACC1. While in the compartment, he needs to use a device that
needs 'mains' electricity to run (no chance of it working on a battery).
The device can cope with voltages anywhere from 105-250 Volts A.C.,
consumes at most 20 Watts (like a dim bulb or a shaver), and is very
fault tolerant (does not matter if the power is poor) and safe.
I believe that even where there are electrical sockets provided in the
compartment by IR, they usually do not work.
Is this correct? If they do work, is it a standard Indian 2-round-pin
socket, or a flat-pinned shaver-type socket? I imagine it is A.C. - what
is the voltage?
If my belief is right (most sockets won't work) I intend to plug the
device into a light-bulb fitting. Does anyone know what the fitting
diameter & type (bayonet/screw) is for the (a) overhead compartment
lights; and (b) the "bedside" reading lamps? That way I can get a safe
cord made up to fit. Obviously I can't ask IR about this... :( I'm
competent with electricity.
PLEASE, HELP!


Regards to all

L Webber


I'm using a new browser; sorry if the format is not OK.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Longest Point-to-Point "Shortest Distance" on IR
LIKHAPANI(0) LEDO(10) MARGHERITA(17) DIGBOI(31) MAKUM(56) TINSUKIA(64)
SRIPURIAGAON(68) SIMALUGURI(165) AMGURI(191) MARIANI(219) TITABAR(232)
FURKATING(258) DIMAPUR(328) LUMDING(397) CHAPARMUKH(486) GUWAHATI(578)
KAMAKHYA(584) BARPETA(639) JOGIGHOPA(694) NEW BONGAIGAON(727)
FAKIRAGRAM(765) NEW ALIPURDUAR(834) NEW COOCH BEHAR(852) DHUPGURI(913)
RANINAGAR JALPAIGURI(952) NEW JALPAIGURI(979)***
NEW JALPAIGURI(0) ALUBARI ROAD(55) KISHANGANJ(85) BARSOI(141)
MUKURIA(146) KUMEDPUR(172) HARISHCHANDRAPUR(179) SAMSI(199) EKLAKHI(215)
MALDA TOWN(234) CHAMAGRAM(265) R GANGA 10(267) NEW FARAKKA(268)
TILDANGA(274) BARHARWA(285) GUMANI(292) NALHATI(349) RAMPURHAT(363)
SAINTHIYA(391) SIURI(410) BHIMGARA(442) ANDAL(464) RANIGANJ(471)
ASANSOL(490) DAMODAR(499) ANARA(534) PURULIA(560) BARABHUM(590) R KASAI
1(593) BIRAMDIH(596) CHANDIL(614) KANDRA(628) SINI(640) RAJ
KHARSAWAN(655) CHAIBASA(676) PADAPAR(734) BANSPANI(774) DAITARI(864)
JAKHAPURA(904) R BRAHMANI 2(907) JENAPUR(912) KOPILAS ROAD(953)***
KOPILAS ROAD(0) NERGUNDI(4) R BERUPA(8) KENDRAPARA ROAD(11) R MAHANADI
3(13) CUTTACK(15) R KHATJURI(18) GOPALPUR BALIKUDA(19) R KUAKHI(21)
BARANG(27) BHUBANESHWAR(43) KHURDA ROAD(62) BALUGAN(133) CHILKA(140)
RAMBHA(161) GANJAM(178) CHATRAPUR(187) BERHAMPUR(209) PALASA(283)
NAUPADA(308) SRIKAKULAM ROAD(355) VIZIANAGRAM(424) KOTTAVALASA(458)
SIMHACHALAM(476) GOPALAPATNAM(483) DUVVADA(499) ANAKAPALLE(515)
TUNI(578) ANNAVARAM(595) SAMALKOT(632) RAJAHMUNDRY(683) GODAVARI(688) R
GODAVARI 6(689) KOVVUR(692) NIDADAVOLU(705) TADEPALLIGUDEM(725)
ELURU(773) VIJAYAWADA(832)***
VIJAYAWADA(0) R KRISHNA 7(2) KRISHNA CANAL(6) TENALI(32) NIDUBROLU(54)
BAPATLA(75) CHIRALA(90) ONGOLE(139) BITRAGUNTA(221) PADUGUPADU(251) R
PENNER 3(253) NELLORE(255) MANUBOLU(284) R KANDLERA(290) GUDUR(294)
SULLURUPETA(349) ELAVUR(379) GUMMIDIPUNDI(384) PONNERI(397) ENNORE(415)
CHENNAI BEACH(431) CHENNAI EGMORE(434) TAMBARAM(459) CHENGALPATTU(490)
PADALAM(503) R PALAR 2(506) KARUNGHUZI(511) MADURANTAKAM(514)
TINDIVANAM(555) VILLUPURAM(593) KANDAMBAKKAM(601) R PONNIAR 1(604)
TIRUVENNAINALLUR(609) VIRDHACHALAM(648) PENNADAM(667) R VELLAR(668)
MATHUR(676) LALGUDI(745) UTTAMARKOVIL(757) R KOLLIDAM 1(758)
SRIRANGAM(760) R KAVERI 5(761) TIRUCHCHIRAPPALLI TOWN(763) PONMALAI(768)

TIRUCHCHIRAPPALLI(771) DINDIGUL(864) KODAIKANAL ROAD(886) MADURAI(926)
VIRUDUNAGAR(969) KOVILPATTI(1017) VANCHI MANIYACHI(1054)
TIRUNELVELI(1083) NAGERCOIL(1157) KANNIYAKUMARI(1173)***
TOTAL: LIKHAPANI - KANNIYAKUMARI = 3973 kms

East-West Extreme "Shortest Distance" on IR
LIKHAPANI(0) NEW JALPAIGURI(979) [as above] ***
NEW JALPAIGURI(0) ALUBARI ROAD(55) KISHANGANJ(85) BARSOI(141)
MUKURIA(146) KATIHAR(184) KURSELA(223) R KOSI 2(226) KATAREAH(230)
NAUGACHIA(241) THANA BIHPUR(257) MANSI(300) SAHEBPUR KAMAL(308)
BEGUSARAI(335) BARAUNI(351) SEMARIA(359) R GANGA 9(363) RAJENDRA
PUL(364) RAMPUR DUMRA(367) HATHIDAH(371) MOKAMA(379) BAKHTIYARPUR(424)
PHATUHA(447) PATNA(469) DANAPUR(479) BIHTA(501) R SON 15(509)
KOELWAR(510) ARA(523) RAGHUNATHPUR(559) BUXAR(592) CHAUSA(603) R
KARAMNASA(605) BARA KALAN HALT(608) DILDARNAGAR(628) MUGHAL SARAI(686)
CHUNAR(719) MIRZAPUR(750) VINDHYACHAL(757) MEJA ROAD(801) R TONS(806)
BHEERPUR(812) NAINI(832) SHANKARGARH(873) MANIKPUR(928) SATNA(1006)
PATWARA(1096) R SON 3(1097) KATNI(1104) R SON 2(1112) HARDUA(1121)
SALAIA(1154) DAMOH(1215) SAGAR(1292) BINA(1367)***
BINA(0) BARETH(35) GANJ BASODA(45) SUMER(71) VIDISHA(85) R BETWA 1(90)
SANCHI(95) BHOPAL(139) SEHORE(178) SHUJALPUR(219) MAKSI(282) UJJAIN(323)
NAGDA(378) R CHAMBAL 2(379) BERAWANIYA(386) RATLAM(419) RAOTI(446) R
MAHI 1(451) BHAIRONGARH(458) BAMNIA(464) MEGHNAGAR(500) DAHOD(533)
PIPLOD(574) GODHRA(607) TUWA(630) R MAHI 2(633) TIMBA ROAD(634)
DAKOR(659) ANAND(686) KANJARI BORIAVI(694) NADIAD(705) MEHMADABAD KHEDA
ROAD(721) NENPUR(726) R VATRAK(728) KANIJ(729) AHMEDABAD(751) R
SABARMATI(754) SABARMATI(756) VIRAMGAM(816) SURENDRANAGAR(881) THAN(929)
WANKANER(955) RAJKOT(997) HADMATIYA(1033) HAPA(1073) NEW JAMNAGAR(1078)
KANALUS(1083) KHAMBALIYA(1111) DWARKA(1195) MITHAPUR(1214) OKHA(1224)***
TOTAL: LIKHAPANI - OKHA = 3570 kms

North-South Extreme "Shortest Distance" on IR
KANNIYAKUMARI(0) NAGERCOIL(16) TRIVANDRUM CENTRAL(87) KADAKAVUR(119)
VARKALA(129) QUILON(153) KARUNAGAPALLI HALT(180) KAYANKULAM(194)
MAVALIKARA(202) CHENGANNUR(214) CHANGANACHERI(231) KOTTAYAM(249)
ETTUMANUR(259) TRIPUNITTURA(299) ALWAYE(321) TRICHUR(376) SHORANUR
SOUTH(400) SHORANUR(408) TIRUR(453) TANUR(461) KADALUNDI(480) R
FEROK(484) FEROK(485) CALICUT(494) BADAGARA(541) MAHE(554)
TELLICHERRY(563) CANNANORE(584) VALLAPATANAM(590) KOTIKULAM(660) R
PAYASAVALI(667) KASARAGOD(669) MANJESHWAR(698) R NETRAVATI(704)
ULLAL(707) MANGALORE(715) KANKANADI(720) PANAMBURU(730) SURATHKAL(741)
UDUPI(783) KUNDAPURA(815) BHATKAL(864) MANKI(899) HONAVAR(919)
ANKOLA(954) KARWAR(974) CANACONA(1000) MADGAON(1032) MAPUSA ROAD(1067)
SAWANTWADI ROAD(1111) RATNAGIRI(1271) CHIPLUN(1347) KHED(1390) VEER
DASGAON(1430) ROHA(1476) PEN(1517) APTA(1537) PANVEL(1552)***
PANVEL(0) BHIWANDI(37) VASAI ROAD(62) VIRAR(70) R VAITARNI(93) DAHANU
ROAD(134) SANJAN(159) VAPI(182) UDVADA(192) ATUL(201) R PAR(204)
VALSAD(208) R AURANGA(216) DUNGRI(217) BILIMORA(226) NAVSARI(247) R
PURNA(255) MAROLI(256) SACHIN(262) R MINDHOLA(265) BHESTAN(268)
UDHNA(273) SURAT(277) R TAPI 3(278) UTRAN(279) KOSAMBA(308)
ANKLESHWAR(326) R NARMADA 5(335) BHARUCH(336) MIYAGAM KARJAN(376)
VISHVAMITRI(403) VADODARA(406)***
VADODARA(0) VASAD(20) ADAS ROAD(24) R MAHI 3(25) VADOD(29) ANAND(35)
KANJARI BORIAVI(43) NADIAD(54) MEHMADABAD KHEDA ROAD(70) NENPUR(75) R
VATRAK(77) KANIJ(78) AHMEDABAD(100) R SABARMATI(103) SABARMATI(105)
KALOL(126) AMBLIYASAN(147) MAHESANA(164) UNJHA(186) SIDDHAPUR(200)
PALANPUR(229) ABU ROAD(282) JAWAI BANDH (ERINPURA)(364) FALNA(381)
MARWAR(447) SOJAT ROAD(468) HARIPUR(501) BEAWAR(535) DAURAI(580)
AJMER(587) MADAR(593)***
MADAR(0) KISHANGARH(23) NARAINA(64) PHULERA(74) RINGAS(140) SIKAR(190)
LACHHMANGARH SIKAR(215) FATEHPUR SHEKHAWATI(238) RAMGARH SHEKHAWATI(257)
CHURU(281) SADULPUR(339) SURATPURA(344) HISAR(410) JAKHAL(490)
SANGRUR(550) DHURI(562) MALERKOTLA(584) LUDHIANA(627) LADHOWAL(636) R
SUTLEJ 2(638) PHILLAUR(640) PHAGWARA(663) JALANDHAR CANTT(680) JALANDHAR
CITY(685) MUKERIAN(758) CHAKKI BANK(798) BHAROLI(803) MADHOPUR
PUNJAB(815) R RAVI(817) KATHUA(824) SAMBA(868) JAMMU TAWI(901)***
TOTAL: JAMMU TAWI - KANNIYAKUMARI = 3452 kms


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments; other questions

Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:19:27 -0500


I am forwarding the query yesterday about the 'shortest path algorithm
on the IR' to you. Maybe you have an explanation.


> Now, I need a little data I am missing. AND SOME IMPORTANT
INFORMATION RE ELECTRIC SUPPLY IN THE ACC1 COMPARTMENTS.

> (D) URGENT!! I will be taking a friend to India in a few weeks,
travelling ACC1. While in the compartment, he needs to use a device that
needs 'mains' electricity to run (no chance of it working on a battery).
The device can cope with voltages anywhere from 105-250 Volts A.C.,
consumes at most 20 Watts (like a dim bulb or a shaver), and is very
fault tolerant (does not matter if the power is poor) and safe.

I have never seen a shaver socket in an IR coach. But cannot be sure
about the ACC1. If the train has a HOG or EOG (i.e. genset at either
end) then 715 V 3 phase @ 50 Hz. is transmitted throughout the train.
There is a transformer in each of these non self generated coaches and
they step the 715 V to 110 VAC (not sure). If the ACC1 is a self
generated type then the axle driven brushless alternator charges
batteries to 110 VDC. This supply if locally inverted to run the tube
lights. The fans are run on DC while the whole air conditioning system,
is powered off a massive inverter (located opposite the washbasin near
the door) which converts 110 VDC to 415 VAC. There is one more
electrical load in the newer coaches with packaged AC units, and that is
the water pump used to
pressurize the plumbing. That is an ELGI unit fitted under floor near
the water tanks and has a DC motor. All Diesel locos also have a similar
fuel lifting 'priming pump' fitted near the expressor (the part with a
blue motor).

> I believe that even where there are electrical sockets provided in the
compartment by IR, they usually do not work.
> Is this correct? If they do work, is it a standard Indian 2-round-pin
socket, or a flat-pinned shaver-type socket? I imagine it is A.C. - what
is the voltage?
> If my belief is right (most sockets won't work) I intend to plug the
device into a light-bulb fitting. Does anyone know what the fitting
diameter & type (bayonet/screw) is for the (a) overhead compartment
lights; and (b) the "bedside" reading lamps? That way I can get a safe
cord made up to fit. Obviously I can't ask IR about this... :( I'm
competent with electricity.
> PLEASE, HELP!

I am curious of what this device can be ? Do not take any risk with a
life critical medical device like a nebulizer. It is better that your
friend does not take the train at all. The reading lamp (the one with
the flip top) may contain 110 VDC or AC depending on the type of the
coach. I think that is a bayonet lamp. There is an RCF website where you
could post a question like that.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html</A>
Maybe there is an answer somewhere.

I'll try to find out this info from the coaching section of Pune Jn.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Electric fittings in ACC1 compartments; other questions

Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:19:27 -0500


I am forwarding the query yesterday about the 'shortest path algorithm
on the IR' to you. Maybe you have an explanation.


> Now, I need a little data I am missing. AND SOME IMPORTANT
INFORMATION RE ELECTRIC SUPPLY IN THE ACC1 COMPARTMENTS.

> (D) URGENT!! I will be taking a friend to India in a few weeks,
travelling ACC1. While in the compartment, he needs to use a device that
needs 'mains' electricity to run (no chance of it working on a battery).
The device can cope with voltages anywhere from 105-250 Volts A.C.,
consumes at most 20 Watts (like a dim bulb or a shaver), and is very
fault tolerant (does not matter if the power is poor) and safe.

I have never seen a shaver socket in an IR coach. But cannot be sure
about the ACC1. If the train has a HOG or EOG (i.e. genset at either
end) then 715 V 3 phase @ 50 Hz. is transmitted throughout the train.
There is a transformer in each of these non self generated coaches and
they step the 715 V to 110 VAC (not sure). If the ACC1 is a self
generated type then the axle driven brushless alternator charges
batteries to 110 VDC. This supply if locally inverted to run the tube
lights. The fans are run on DC while the whole air conditioning system,
is powered off a massive inverter (located opposite the washbasin near
the door) which converts 110 VDC to 415 VAC. There is one more
electrical load in the newer coaches with packaged AC units, and that is
the water pump used to
pressurize the plumbing. That is an ELGI unit fitted under floor near
the water tanks and has a DC motor. All Diesel locos also have a similar
fuel lifting 'priming pump' fitted near the expressor (the part with a
blue motor).

> I believe that even where there are electrical sockets provided in the
compartment by IR, they usually do not work.
> Is this correct? If they do work, is it a standard Indian 2-round-pin
socket, or a flat-pinned shaver-type socket? I imagine it is A.C. - what
is the voltage?
> If my belief is right (most sockets won't work) I intend to plug the
device into a light-bulb fitting. Does anyone know what the fitting
diameter & type (bayonet/screw) is for the (a) overhead compartment
lights; and (b) the "bedside" reading lamps? That way I can get a safe
cord made up to fit. Obviously I can't ask IR about this... :( I'm
competent with electricity.
> PLEASE, HELP!

I am curious of what this device can be ? Do not take any risk with a
life critical medical device like a nebulizer. It is better that your
friend does not take the train at all. The reading lamp (the one with
the flip top) may contain 110 VDC or AC depending on the type of the
coach. I think that is a bayonet lamp. There is an RCF website where you
could post a question like that.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/2285/index.html</A>
Maybe there is an answer somewhere.

I'll try to find out this info from the coaching section of Pune Jn.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: More on slow trains

Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:46:38 -0500


A few years ago when the then MOSR (as the railways would like to call
their
political bosses) Suresh Kalmadi had just introduced the Mumbai Pune
Shatabdi
Express, it ran in the slot allotted to the Pragati Express.
Pragati's normal time is CTSM - 1620 dep, PA 2005 arr. So the Pragati
was
shifted to the Sahyadri slot CSTM 1750 dep, PA 2225 arr. The Sahyadri
was
shifted to the Konark slot CSTM 1505 dep, PA 1930 arr. The Konark ran
just after
7031 slot CSTM 1300 dep, PA 1730 arr.
Now although the Sahyadri Express left Pune for Kolhapur at 1950 hrs, it
arrived
at KOP only at the correct arrival time of 0640 hrs. Thus it covered 327
Kms in
11 hrs which is a speed of 30 Kmph ! No scheduled BG train on the IR
runs any
slower than that. The drivers had a lot of resentment about the long
duty
hours. Many a time the drivers exceeded the duty hours at Miraj itself
which
reduced their 'running allowance'. The Up Sahyadri had the same time as
before.
The Down Sahyadri apart from several stops like Nandre (where the senior
drivers
swear to have never seen a single passenger entrain or detrain) had to
wait for
all the upline crossings including the freighters. There were long
detentions at
Satara and Nira.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:Fw: request for YP photographs

Date: 26 Aug 1999 01:00:14 -0500



Hello Les,

Please take any picture you wish from my website:
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
There will be many more soon (135 more !) as soon as I can launch the
new
pages on Wankaner/ Morbi with Viraf/ Sarosh and Shrinivas's pictures
(one week
max).
Also have a look at the latest YP picture on the net, Tim Wakeman's
site:
<A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964</A>
The html has some bugs but even when run separately, the text and pics
are
great.

Apurva

Anurag Acharya wrote:

> Good Morning,
>
> We produce a Newsletter which mails to over 6,000 subscribers in =
> Australia and New Zealand.
>
> We are doing an article on Indian Railways. The YP engine looks =
> fascinating.
>
> We require good quality High Resolutiono JPEG images (and your =
> permission to publish them)
> and background history on the YP.
>
> I have seen the Mhow - Jan 1998 sit on the net. These pictures are =
> perfect.
>
> Can anybody help?
>
> Regards
>
> Les Herbert
> Desktop Direct
> desktop@nsw.email

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: message from a european irfca watcher

Date: 26 Aug 1999 01:15:52 -0500




Anand Krishnan wrote:

> Hello Klaus,
> Nice to hear from you. Good to read a contribution from a
person
> that far from India. There are a few Mp3 sounds of Indian Deisels in
> Apurva's site at <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~APuB/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~APuB/index.htm</A> [with due
> permission from Apurva]. Please let us know some good sites with rail
Mp3s.
> We would just be glad to have them.

Thanks Anand for forwarding the link to my webpage.
There are more sites which focus on the diesel prime mover sounds:
Phil Wormald's <A HREF="http://www.alco.freeserve.co.uk/">http://www.alco.freeserve.co.uk/</A>
Mark Briswtow's <A HREF="http://www.flamingstack.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm">http://www.flamingstack.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm</A>
also some sounds on the Rolf Stumpf's site:
<A HREF="http://alcoworld.railfan.net/">http://alcoworld.railfan.net/</A>
Also check out: <A HREF="http://www.spikesys.com/webville.html">http://www.spikesys.com/webville.html</A>

I often play these files in a continuos loop and that is a great mood
elevator.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: message from a european irfca watcher

Date: 26 Aug 1999 01:58:40 -0500


Hello Klaus,
Nice to hear from you. Good to read a contribution from a
person
that far from India. There are a few Mp3 sounds of Indian Deisels in
Apurva's site at <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~APuB/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~APuB/index.htm</A> [with due
permission from Apurva]. Please let us know some good sites with rail
Mp3s.
We would just be glad to have them.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Narrow gauge luxury train.

Date: 26 Aug 1999 02:11:19 -0500



Hi all,
Today's article in "The Hindu" says that the Palampur-Pathankot
luxury
train has been cancelled for a month owing to heavy rainfall
and track damages at many places.
Just an info

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: More on slow trains

Date: 26 Aug 1999 02:16:17 -0500


Hi all,

> >
> > You forget the following trains, which are called expresses, but are
in
> > reality a cruel joke on the poor travellers:
Please also include Yercaud Exp. between Chennai-Erode. As
it is
it gets a royal 8-1/2 hours for a paltry 370 odd km. To top it all this
is a
regular late arrival. Probably the least preferred train on the CBE-MAS
line.
Did any one of you give a thought to the Allepey-Bokaro
bullock
cart ??

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: C. Zeni <>

Subject: Re: More on slow trains

Date: 26 Aug 1999 04:36:04 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Now although the Sahyadri Express left Pune for Kolhapur at 1950 hrs,
it arrived
> at KOP only at the correct arrival time of 0640 hrs. Thus it covered
327 Kms in
> 11 hrs which is a speed of 30 Kmph ! No scheduled BG train on the IR
runs any
> slower than that.

*groan*...30 kmph...

>The drivers had a lot of resentment about the long duty
> hours. Many a time the drivers exceeded the duty hours at Miraj itself
which
> reduced their 'running allowance'.

So I'm to understand that there is a 12 hour law in India? What happens
when the crew hits that 12 hour limit? Does the train stop where it is
and a relief crew come to the train?
--
Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>

The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: More on slow trains

Date: 26 Aug 1999 05:40:20 -0500




"C. Zeni" wrote:

> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > Now although the Sahyadri Express left Pune for Kolhapur at 1950
hrs, it arrived
> > at KOP only at the correct arrival time of 0640 hrs. Thus it covered
327 Kms in
> > 11 hrs which is a speed of 30 Kmph ! No scheduled BG train on the IR
runs any
> > slower than that.
>
> *groan*...30 kmph...

Fortunately this was an overnight journey.

>
>
> >The drivers had a lot of resentment about the long duty
> > hours. Many a time the drivers exceeded the duty hours at Miraj
itself which
> > reduced their 'running allowance'.
>
> So I'm to understand that there is a 12 hour law in India? What
happens
> when the crew hits that 12 hour limit? Does the train stop where it
is
> and a relief crew come to the train?

Nothing like that - the driver have to carry on till a big station with
crew resting
facility. There is not such a mystery about this. The driver's are after
all the
expert's experts and can predict where this train would be after such
and such period.
They can predict casually, 'Miraj arrival at 0445' while Miraj is still
150 Kms away
and chances are that they would be at Miraj at 0445 on the dot.

Apurva

From: Nitin Joshi <>

Subject: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 26 Aug 1999 06:19:48 -0500


The illusion of the word Express for short distance trains can be lived with,
but when it comes to long distance journeys
I would rate the Sabarmati as the most agonising journey.
 
Bye
Nitin Joshi

----- Original Message -----
From: Samit Roychoudhury <mailto:samr@vsnl.email
To: IRFCA <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: 25.August.99 15:57
Subject: Fw: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

what aboutthe yucky howrah - ahmedabad express? lived many a night and day
in that...

----- Original Message -----
From: S.Shankar < shankie@emirates.email <mailto:shankie@emirates.email
To: < sundar@spyring.email <mailto:sundar@spyring.email
Cc: < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 00:29
Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down


> Sundar Krishnamurthy wrote:
> >
> I rate 6009/6010 Chennai mail as the most leisurely train out of CST.
> There
> > would be very few main line express trains in India that have a schedule
> > speed lower than this one - 43 kmph !
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sundar
>
>
>
>
> Hello Sundar,
> You think the Madras-Bombay Mail is slow?
>
> You forget the following trains, which are called expresses, but are in
> reality a cruel joke on the poor travellers:
>
> 1 Dadar-Amritsar Express
> 2 Kolhapur-Gondia Maharashtra Express
> 3 & 4 Bombay Kolhapur Koyna Express and Sahyadri Express
> 5.Ahmedabad-Gorakhpur Sabarmati Express
> 6.Bombay Central-Dehradun Express
> 7.Narmada Express (from Jabalpur to I forget where)
> 8.The now resurrected Howrah-Delhi Janata Express
> 7.H.Nizamuddin-Agra Intercity Express
> 8.Madras-Jolarpettai Yelagiri Express
> 9.Tirupati-Howrah Express
> 10.Secunderabad-Guntur Golconda Express
> 11.Secenderabad-Sirpur Kagaznagar Bhagyanagar Exp. (OK, its part
> passenger)
>
> There used to be some superslow express trains on the mg in Bihar (in
> the Darbhanga-Jogbani belt), and in Gujarat (Girnar Express?)
>
> Need I name any more?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Shankar.
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >Minor correction:
> > >It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days,
> > >but Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
> > >It was so named to eliminate confusion among the passengers
> > >due to the existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains on the
> > >route, though people still preferred to refer to the Chennai
> > >Express as 'Madras superfast'
> > >long after it was de-rated.
> > >Cheers.
> > >Shankar
>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 26 Aug 1999 07:44:57 -0500


Hello,
Other super slow 'express' trains are:

Udyan Abha Toofan Express
Kurla Howrah Express
There used to be a super slow Madras-Howrah Express till the early
80s,which was scrapped and replaced with the superfast Coromandel.
Also Saurashtra Janata Express, Bombay-Ferozepore Janata,and so on and
so forth.
Cheers. (or is it?)
Shankar




Nitin Joshi wrote:
>
> The illusion of the word Express for short distance trains can be
> lived with,
> but when it comes to long distance journeys
> I would rate the Sabarmati as the most agonising journey.
>
> Bye
> Nitin Joshi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Samit Roychoudhury
> To: IRFCA
> Sent: 25.August.99 15:57
> Subject: Fw: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down
>
> what aboutthe yucky howrah - ahmedabad express? lived many a
> night and day
> in that...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
> To: <sundar@spyring.email
> Cc: <irfca@cs.email
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 00:29
> Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down
>
> > Sundar Krishnamurthy wrote:
> > >
> > I rate 6009/6010 Chennai mail as the most leisurely train
> out of CST.
> > There
> > > would be very few main line express trains in India that
> have a schedule
> > > speed lower than this one - 43 kmph !
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Sundar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Sundar,
> > You think the Madras-Bombay Mail is slow?
> >
> > You forget the following trains, which are called
> expresses, but are in
> > reality a cruel joke on the poor travellers:
> >
> > 1 Dadar-Amritsar Express
> > 2 Kolhapur-Gondia Maharashtra Express
> > 3 & 4 Bombay Kolhapur Koyna Express and Sahyadri Express
> > 5.Ahmedabad-Gorakhpur Sabarmati Express
> > 6.Bombay Central-Dehradun Express
> > 7.Narmada Express (from Jabalpur to I forget where)
> > 8.The now resurrected Howrah-Delhi Janata Express
> > 7.H.Nizamuddin-Agra Intercity Express
> > 8.Madras-Jolarpettai Yelagiri Express
> > 9.Tirupati-Howrah Express
> > 10.Secunderabad-Guntur Golconda Express
> > 11.Secenderabad-Sirpur Kagaznagar Bhagyanagar Exp. (OK,
> its part
> > passenger)
> >
> > There used to be some superslow express trains on the mg
> in Bihar (in
> > the Darbhanga-Jogbani belt), and in Gujarat (Girnar
> Express?)
> >
> > Need I name any more?
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Shankar.
> > >
> > > >Hello,
> > > >Minor correction:
> > > >It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days,
> > > >but Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
> > > >It was so named to eliminate confusion among the
> passengers
> > > >due to the existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains
> on the
> > > >route, though people still preferred to refer to the
> Chennai
> > > >Express as 'Madras superfast'
> > > >long after it was de-rated.
> > > >Cheers.
> > > >Shankar
> >

From: Paul Midgen (Exchange) <>

Subject: Re: MIME Sample

Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:29:15 -0500


Jim, you'll want to check out the online docs for what used to be the InetSDK and is now just part of the MSDN Workshop stuff.
 
Start looking at:
 
<<A HREF="http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/networking/pluggable/overview/overview.asp>">http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/networking/pluggable/overview/overview.asp></A>
 
regards,
pmidge

-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Hilmo
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 12:27 PM
To: Jim Li; Internet Server API Discussion
Subject: RE: MIME Sample


This question might be better addressed to the IE folks.
 
When IIS sends the response, it just includes the typical HTTP stuff, including content-type and other headers, and the entity body.  What the client chooses to do with it is pretty much determined by the client.  I'm not familiar with any pluggable MIME filter for the client, but if you can find out what it looks for in the response, it'd be pretty easy to send it from IIS.
 
I hope this helps,
-Wade

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Li
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:31 AM
To: Internet Server API Discussion
Subject: MIME Sample


One of my customer is looking for a MIME filter sample demonstrating IE pass the downloaded data to the pluggable MIME filter for filtering. Anybody knows where I can get a sample like this ? Thanks.

Jim Li
Application Development Consultant
Microsoft Premier Support for Developers
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Pager: 1 (800) SKYTEL2 PIN# 1195464

 

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: steam

Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:27:24 -0500


Hello Tim,
DOn't be so hard on yourself Tim, we all started that way.
Computer whizkids on the irfca help you stretch your talents further,and
give you valuable tips, but in the end,you need to keep working at it,
thats all.
Its only a question of time.
Cheer up, and continue to get inspired by your comerades at the irfca.
Cheers.
Shankar



Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I just want to thank you all for your kind and helpful comments on my
> first shot at a web page. I consider myself an IWAC(idiot with a
> computer) and no very little about this stuff.I am completely blind
with
> this thing and have been going by trial and error,(more errors). I may
> take the offer of help, but have to wait awhile. Work is calling and
my
> be a few days before I can spend time at it.I love RR photographyand
> photography in general), and have many more pics of India I want to
> share.
>
> Tim
>
> P.S. I would reply to you all individually but I'm very short on time
> this week.

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:39:20 -0500




>1) There are special facilities maintained by ABB folks at GZB that
don't
>exist anywhere else. (I believe Harsh mentioned that the ABB staff
don't
>allow IR crews to work on the WAP5).


No, Iam afraid it is only for the maintenance that ADtranz has its own
loco
shed and bay at GZB. Of course it is IR crews which work the trains
regularly. Maintainance by ADtranz is a part of the contract with ABB. I
believe it would be a similar arrangement with GE for the WDG 4s.


>BTW, Does anyone have a list of trains that run with the WAP5?


Delhi - Bombay Rajdhani (upto BRC)
Delhi - Bhopal Shatabdi
Delhi - Allahabad Prayagraj Exp.
Delhi - Howrah Rajdhani Exp.
Delhi - Puri Puroshottam Exp.(occasionally)
Delhi - Lucknow Gomti Exp. (occasionally upto CNB)


Harsh

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