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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Turntable fears for WDG4

Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:57:46 -0500


These are not the VHS type Videos used for marriages etc. Some of these
are used to cover blind spots in giant earthmoving equipment, where the
driver would be steering depending on the video camera inputs. So the
resolution must be good. The video is used only to see the blind spots.
Rest is all with good old eyes !

Apurva

"S.B.Mehta" wrote:

> The idea of a video camera does not seem practical. For one the
> attention of the driver will be diverted what with one more gadget to
> look after. The next point is the video camera will not give the
> sense of distance (as viewed by our eyes) correctly to the driver.
> This may cause him to allow just that fractional error of judgment to
> creep in. Further, the video may be useful only in daylight.
>
> This one is for Mr. Shubhranshu :
>
> Sir, I have come to know that WDG4 will be working freights on the
> Vasco-Hospet sector. If that is true, I am looking forward to my Goa
> trip during November. Maybe, I could be able to see this new
> 'sensation' and get to know it better.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Sarosh.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: More questions for DLW

Date: 22 Aug 1999 23:12:12 -0500




shubh@altavista.email wrote:

> A seating position on the left side makes far greater sense since the
driver looks straight at the signal, rather than diagonally. That brings
us to the question as to why it was not done earlier. Probably because
the imported designs were all with driver on the right hand side.

I suppose the seating on the left is the 'Indian standard' as the rest
of electric locos and the EMU/DMU also follow the practice. We still
require a note from you as to why the WDG 2 has a wheel type throttle
rather than a eight point bar. Also what type of power controller (bar,
wheel, T stick) does the WDG 4 have? Are there two driving stations, or
is it like a YDM 4 (the driver just turns around on the same seat) ? Is
the WDG 4 cab air-conditioned ?

> DLW has already been manufacturing WDG2 and WDP2 with the driver seat
looking straight at the signal. the WDP2 cab is a superior cab in all
respects, ergonomics, visibility and even driver comfort. Some of us in
DLW feel that it is even better than the GT46MAC cab.

I am very glad to hear that. Let us know where the WDP 2s will be
deployed (the 1st three powers home at GOC and work TPU - MAS loads ?),
also some newer powers home to KZJ and TKD ? I personally feel very
proud of the WDP 2, which is an Indian effort. Is there any plan to AC -
AC
these loco's transmissions (by lifting the inverter units from CLW and
coupling them to your diesel driven alternator ?)

Apurva

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: WDG2/WDP2 Cab

Date: 22 Aug 1999 23:32:23 -0500


>...the WDP2 cab is a superior cab in all respects,
> ergonomics, visibility and even driver comfort.
> Some of us in DLW feel that it is even better than the
> GT46MAC cab.

Unless I am mistaken, this was the cabin designed at the
National Institute of Design in Ahmedabad. Can anyone
confirm please ?

--
JS
--

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Cameras are no help.

Date: 23 Aug 1999 01:41:41 -0500


Just to whet my curiosity, how long is the long hood of the WDG4 and
can one form a comparison with BG steam loco's frontal portion ? I
feel the drivers of yore must have also faced a similar problem
driving 'long hood'. Whatever the resolution of a camera, nothing to
beat the human eye.

Further, if the blind spot is to be covered why hasn't anyone thought
of installing one at the rear of the train? Rammings are also very
common nowadays.

It is also noticed that even experts cannot pinpoint the reasons
which cause a disaster. Technology used in airplanes such as the CVR
and FDR should be devised for the Railways, too. This will be in
keeping with high standards of engine technology. Pundits, what say
thou?

Sarosh

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 23 Aug 1999 01:56:42 -0500


Hi all,
Thanx Apurva for the examples. I now recollect the discussions we
had
previously. So Raymond, the answer provided to you by the quiz master at
the
quiz is not complete.
Apurva sorry for the confusion. Chennai-Mumbai is 1063/64 and not 23/24.
U
are right. It is not called superfast now but it was when they
introduced
it. 24 hours flat to Mumbai [on paper only]. Since it consistently kept
running late they removed the superfast word from the train name. Now i
guess its far better than what it used to be. Some sort of importance is

also given to the train now-a-days and the timings are also adhered more

often i hear.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 23 Aug 1999 01:56:49 -0500


Hi all,
Thanx Apurva for the examples. I now recollect the discussions we
had
previously. So Raymond, the answer provided to you by the quiz master at
the
quiz is not complete.
Apurva sorry for the confusion. Chennai-Mumbai is 1063/64 and not 23/24.
U
are right. It is not called superfast now but it was when they
introduced
it. 24 hours flat to Mumbai [on paper only]. Since it consistently kept
running late they removed the superfast word from the train name. Now i
guess its far better than what it used to be. Some sort of importance is

also given to the train now-a-days and the timings are also adhered more

often i hear.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:13:36 -0500


Hi all,
That would be a great idea. Good suggestion Samit. A very brief
profile of 1-2 lines mainly designation+work experience would actually
suffice. Can we just start off with exchanging our profiles to the list
or
everyone send in their profiles to one person and that person compiles
it.
In that case I dont mind compiling this if each one of you can send me a

mail giving a small intro. What say the others. Seniors of the list
please
advice.

Kind regards,
Anand


>From: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
>Reply-To: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
>To: "IRFCA" <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: Turntable fears for WDG4
>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:10:46 +0530
>
>i really need an introduction on who's who... why cant we have
something
>like that please? i had suggested it long back but nothing happened...
but
>its better if its a collective effort rather than just indiciduals
writing
>back.
>
>cheers
>samit
>


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 23 Aug 1999 03:31:50 -0500


>
> Apurva sorry for the confusion. Chennai-Mumbai is 1063/64 and not
23/24. U
> are right. It is not called superfast now but it was when they
introduced
> it.

The Dadar Chennai express was 963/964 when introduced. This was before
this new
fangled unique numbering business. How were superfasts identified in
those good
old days ? It used to be 80 Up for Taj and 59 Down for Geetanjali.

Subsequently the DR -Chennai (This is the first time we heard of the
name
Chennai - the most elegant reverted name amongst all the renamed places
in India
IMHO) was numbered as 6063/64 with a SR rake. Now the number is 1063/64
with a
CR rake.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: WDG2/WDP2 Cab

Date: 23 Aug 1999 03:47:31 -0500


> Unless I am mistaken, this was the cabin designed at the
> National Institute of Design in Ahmedabad. Can anyone
> confirm please ?

I suppose no other group of professionals are more qualified
to handle the ergonomic and other 'human engineering' issues
than the NID gang. Is there a specific course in your
education about workplace design including the design of
vehicle (auto, rail, ship, aircraft) controls ? I remember
that your project also required work with the Sabarmati shed
for redesign of YDM 3 control stand.

Just an observation - 3 out of 6 WDM 2s I saw at Pune Jn. on
Saturday had a large plate on top of the control stand (long
hood) These hold the large sized air pressure gauge and brake
pipe pressure gauge for the air braked rakes (I specifically
observed the Pune power for Jhelum and Kazipet power for 31
Dn.).

Apurva

From: C. Zeni <>

Subject: Re: Roadrailer

Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:53:12 -0500


Jayant S wrote:
>
> > Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > >........and the whole thing had only one marking that
> > > of Wabash USA.
>
> What you describe sounds more like a spine car. However,
> some months ago there was a report that Wabash and Kirloskar
> were tying up to introduce true Roadrailer vehicles to India.
> Wonder how far that is along now.

The Roadrailers in service here are 48 feet long...I'm having problems
picturing an Ashok Leyland maneouvering a 48 foot trailer thru the
traffic in Surat, or up the switchback turns on the ghats on the road
between Mumbai and Pune. I'm inclined to think that what Apurva saw was
indeed a spine car, as a spine car could use existing trailers, while
the Roadrailer requires completely new road vehicles.

I do have a couple of photos taken here back in May or June of a
southbound Roadrailer on the Norfolk Southern...they run these trains at
125 units long...anybody want to see them, let me know.
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From: shubh <>

Subject: Re: WDG2/WDP2 Cab

Date: 23 Aug 1999 05:43:36 -0500


Yes, it is true. The WDP2 cab was designed by the National Institute of
Design, Ahmedabad.

Shubhranshu


Jayant S wrote

> Unless I am mistaken, this was the cabin designed at the
> National Institute of Design in Ahmedabad. Can anyone
> confirm please ?
>
> --
> JS
> --
>


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Roadrailer

Date: 23 Aug 1999 06:25:40 -0500


> The Roadrailers in service here are 48 feet long...I'm having problems
> picturing an Ashok Leyland maneouvering a 48 foot trailer thru the
> traffic in Surat, or up the switchback turns on the ghats on the road
> between Mumbai and Pune. I'm inclined to think that what Apurva saw
was
> indeed a spine car, as a spine car could use existing trailers, while
> the Roadrailer requires completely new road vehicles.

I could see the separate frames of the railway and the road vehicle. The
railway vehicle has only one coupler at either end although with four
trucks. Is there a pic of a spine car somewhere ?

> I do have a couple of photos taken here back in May or June of a
> southbound Roadrailer on the Norfolk Southern...they run these trains
at
> 125 units long...anybody want to see them, let me know.

Yes please, pictures speak louder than words. I look forward to seeing
these
on your website.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: More questions for DLW

Date: 23 Aug 1999 07:02:58 -0500


Hi all,

>I am very glad to hear that. Let us know where the WDP 2s will be
>deployed
>(the 1st three powers home at GOC and work TPU - MAS >loads ?), also
some
>newer powers home to KZJ and TKD ?
I am yet to see these powers anywhere near MAS. Raymond did u get
to
see these powers anytime. If that is the case probably these might even
start working passenger traffice in the MAS-MDU stretch. There are
already
2 superfast day-trains (Vaigai and Pallavan EXps.) operating in the
newly
converted stretch towards Madurai. Is there any authentic info if these
powers will be used in this section.

Just a snippet the first train on this section was hauled by a GOC based

WDM2 fondly called "Golden Queen", a 34 year old DLW product that was
the
best maintained and had the most number of trouble free runs in SR. This
was
from "The Hindu" when this line was inaugurated..

>?), also some newer powers home to KZJ and TKD ?
Yes KZJ has been getting some WDP1s off late. Ironically i have only
seen
them hauling branchline and mainline passenger trains than expresses.
SCR
still beleives WDM2Cs are the best bet for their Superfasts and
expresses.
One more question for Mr.Shubranshu.
Is the allocation of new locos at DLW done prior or it is on a need
basis.
What sort of situation is followed at DLW, a make-to-order kind of
scenario
or based on some planning schedules.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 23 Aug 1999 10:14:50 -0500


Hello,
Minor correction:
It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days, but
Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
It was so named to eliminate confusion among the passengers due to the
existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains on the route, though people
still preferred to refer to the Chennai Express as 'Madras superfast'
long after it was de-rated.
Cheers.
Shankar



Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> >
> > Apurva sorry for the confusion. Chennai-Mumbai is 1063/64 and not
23/24. U
> > are right. It is not called superfast now but it was when they
introduced
> > it.
>
> The Dadar Chennai express was 963/964 when introduced. This was before
this new
> fangled unique numbering business. How were superfasts identified in
those good
> old days ? It used to be 80 Up for Taj and 59 Down for Geetanjali.
>
> Subsequently the DR -Chennai (This is the first time we heard of the
name
> Chennai - the most elegant reverted name amongst all the renamed
places in India
> IMHO) was numbered as 6063/64 with a SR rake. Now the number is
1063/64 with a
> CR rake.
>
> Apurva

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 23 Aug 1999 10:30:53 -0500


Hello,
There had been some discussion on this subject in the past, esp. after
someone raised the issue as to how many members we have and from which
countries.
The thread went on for a while, and the bottom line that finally
emerged was the let us preserve the teeny weeny bit of privacy we still
have left, let us stick to e-mails only.
Actually, I beg to differ, but did not raise it at that time, as the
common consensus seemed to support the privacy issue.
Actually, we as a group are so intimately involved with each other that
it would be no intrusion at all, I personally feel. After all, we talk
to each other via e-mail almost daily, sometimes several times a day.
Hence, when I receive mails from say Appu or Dr.Walker or Harsh on an
almost daily basis, what is the problem in my knowing that ok, Appu is
based in Poona, and has a small factory making relays for diesel
locomotives. And I have approached Appu off line by e-mail for tips and
help in the initial days of my webpage construction, entered into
private e-mail correspondence with Don Dickens (now no longer with the
irfca) when he was making his Patiala page, with David Bloyed when he
was looking for Gwalior steam engines, with Larry Russel when I sought
his permission to link my Pakistan Rlys page with the Pak page of his
EMD site, with Harsh regarding the fnrm, of which I also happen to be a
member, with Sundar Krishnamurthy (where on earth is he nowadays) reg.
exchange of photographs, with Vijay Balasubramanian etc. etc.
We are all good friends, a closely knit community. I really do not feel
there would be any problems with our knowing the profile of each other.
At least let us tell each other of our location, so that we can know
where all out members are spread. From the e-mails, I can make out
India, USA, Australia, Dubai (Emirates), UK (rare), and I think I saw
one New South Wales (that would be Australia again) or was it New
Zealand?
Cheers.
Shankar




Anand Krishnan wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> That would be a great idea. Good suggestion Samit. A very brief
> profile of 1-2 lines mainly designation+work experience would actually
> suffice. Can we just start off with exchanging our profiles to the
list or
> everyone send in their profiles to one person and that person compiles
it.
> In that case I dont mind compiling this if each one of you can send me
a
> mail giving a small intro. What say the others. Seniors of the list
please
> advice.
>
> Kind regards,
> Anand
>
> >From: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
> >Reply-To: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
> >To: "IRFCA" <irfca@cs.email
> >Subject: Re: Turntable fears for WDG4
> >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:10:46 +0530
> >
> >i really need an introduction on who's who... why cant we have
something
> >like that please? i had suggested it long back but nothing
happened... but
> >its better if its a collective effort rather than just indiciduals
writing
> >back.
> >
> >cheers
> >samit
> >
>
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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 23 Aug 1999 10:45:05 -0500


you got it absolutely right...

exactly my sentiments too

what we need is a common format... a set of fieldds or questions which
we
can send to everyone to fill up..

anyone desirous of maintaining their privacy need not fill it but please
put
your name onto it... so we can have a count.

so any ideas anyone on what all we need?

samit


----- Original Message -----
From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Anand Krishnan <krish_nand@hotmail.email
Cc: <samr@vsnl.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 23:00
Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who


> Hello,
> There had been some discussion on this subject in the past, esp.
after
> someone raised the issue as to how many members we have and from which
> countries.
> The thread went on for a while, and the bottom line that finally
> emerged was the let us preserve the teeny weeny bit of privacy we
still
> have left, let us stick to e-mails only.
> Actually, I beg to differ, but did not raise it at that time, as the
> common consensus seemed to support the privacy issue.
> Actually, we as a group are so intimately involved with each other
that
> it would be no intrusion at all, I personally feel. After all, we talk
> to each other via e-mail almost daily, sometimes several times a day.
> Hence, when I receive mails from say Appu or Dr.Walker or Harsh on an
> almost daily basis, what is the problem in my knowing that ok, Appu is
> based in Poona, and has a small factory making relays for diesel
> locomotives. And I have approached Appu off line by e-mail for tips
and
> help in the initial days of my webpage construction, entered into
> private e-mail correspondence with Don Dickens (now no longer with the
> irfca) when he was making his Patiala page, with David Bloyed when he
> was looking for Gwalior steam engines, with Larry Russel when I sought
> his permission to link my Pakistan Rlys page with the Pak page of his
> EMD site, with Harsh regarding the fnrm, of which I also happen to be
a
> member, with Sundar Krishnamurthy (where on earth is he nowadays) reg.
> exchange of photographs, with Vijay Balasubramanian etc. etc.
> We are all good friends, a closely knit community. I really do not
feel
> there would be any problems with our knowing the profile of each
other.
> At least let us tell each other of our location, so that we can know
> where all out members are spread. From the e-mails, I can make out
> India, USA, Australia, Dubai (Emirates), UK (rare), and I think I saw
> one New South Wales (that would be Australia again) or was it New
> Zealand?
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>
>
>
>
> Anand Krishnan wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > That would be a great idea. Good suggestion Samit. A very
brief
> > profile of 1-2 lines mainly designation+work experience would
actually
> > suffice. Can we just start off with exchanging our profiles to the
list
or
> > everyone send in their profiles to one person and that person
compiles
it.
> > In that case I dont mind compiling this if each one of you can send
me a
> > mail giving a small intro. What say the others. Seniors of the list
please
> > advice.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Anand
> >
> > >From: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
> > >Reply-To: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
> > >To: "IRFCA" <irfca@cs.email
> > >Subject: Re: Turntable fears for WDG4
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:10:46 +0530
> > >
> > >i really need an introduction on who's who... why cant we have
something
> > >like that please? i had suggested it long back but nothing
happened...
but
> > >its better if its a collective effort rather than just indiciduals
writing
> > >back.
> > >
> > >cheers
> > >samit
> > >
> >
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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 23 Aug 1999 10:47:15 -0500


thank you anand

i thought everybody was mired down by the privacy factor :), which i
realise
is very important in a place like the usa where giving out your email
address can be catastrophic. luckily we in india havent reached that
extreme
stage yet... though i can safely say we're getting there.

samit

From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 23 Aug 1999 12:14:58 -0500


Hello

After a very long hiatus (almost a year) I'm back on the IRFCA. Well - I

moved from Chennai to Mumbai, changed jobs and lost my mail access for
some
months. Now, for a short period, I am far away from Indian Railways
geographically, displaced to Edison in New Jersey. Well, I regained my
Internet access... got added back to the list a few days ago and have
been
following the threads quite keenly. I had been in touch with Shankar
last
year on ICQ - we traded pix... and Apurva early this year thro' phone
calls. I missed him in Pune as I lost his address and phone number in
transit :-( But I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. I. S. Anand who stays
in
Chembur and sacrificed matrimony for railfanning. Dunno how long I'll be

able to push distraction and do the same ;-)

Anyways, coming back the topic of turntables.. there exists a turntable
in
Khar BAMY diesel shed on the WR tracks in Mumbai. The only way you can
spot
this old elusive contraption is to take the harbour local between Khar
and
Bandra in either direction - that mounts a fly-over over the Western
railway mainline and is visible on the eastern side of the tracks just
before crossing the lines. I couldn't figure any good use for this
turntable as all Rajdhani Ratlam/Vatva WDM2s of yore were in pairs and
MUed. I guess its preserved from the old steam days - but is the Khar
BAMY
shed a very old one? BTW, just after this turntable - u can get the
ariel
view of a Hindu cemetry adjacent to an Islam graveyard. This is India
and
its diversity.

Hope to significantly increase traffic now. I commute to the office by
train :-) NJTransit push-pull trains and the MU Comet emu sets. There
is
no fear of railway policemen trying to snatch your camera away and its a

pleasure watching the Amtrak Metroliners whizz past at speeds in excess
of
160 kmph (100 mph) through the stations. Amtrak is moving away from
locomotive-carriages to the Europe model of train sets (watch for the
Acela
- <A HREF="http://www.acela.com">http://www.acela.com</A> debuting late '99. The website has a video of the

new trainset in motion - great animation).

But what American trains lack is romance. There is no way you can hang
out
of the door and click the engine taking the curve - or get the "smell"
of
these trains here - if you know what I mean. It seems more like a
corporate
airline with people minding their own business and no chaiwallas and
vadas
and kaapi.

I guess there are many people on the list in New Jersey - will try and
get
in touch out here. Or trudge a weekend to Massachusetts to meet another
Indian railfan who's been an inspiration for me ;-)

Sundar

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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 23 Aug 1999 12:42:04 -0500


Hello Shankar

I did Chennai-Mumbai-Chennai once a month all through 98 - well, and had

the first hand experience of the confusion regarding station names. I
used
to take the 6010 up Chennai Mumbai Mail... the announcers at Chennai
Central station used to refer to it as the Chennai - Bombay mail.. once
I
heard the guy announce it as the Chennai - Bombay VT mail - long after
Bombay become Mumbai and VT had a gender change to CST.

On the route - in AP and Karnataka, the announcers at major stations
(Guntakal, Raichur) used to call it correctly - the Chennai Mumbai mail.

When the train used to pull into Kalyan early morning, the announcer at
the
station would baptize and announce the train as Madras - Mumbai CST mail

!!! Same for the announcements at Dadar... new travellers on the train
would go crazy trying to find out which train this one was.... I am yet
to
hear an announcer calling the train with the older name - Madras Bombay
Mail.

I rate 6009/6010 Chennai mail as the most leisurely train out of CST.
There
would be very few main line express trains in India that have a schedule

speed lower than this one - 43 kmph !

Regards

Sundar

>Hello,
>Minor correction:
>It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days,
>but Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
>It was so named to eliminate confusion among the passengers
>due to the existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains on the
>route, though people still preferred to refer to the Chennai
>Express as 'Madras superfast'
>long after it was de-rated.
>Cheers.
>Shankar

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Attention those visiting Hyderabad

Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:25:47 -0500


Hi all,
A very peaceful and calm place for Trainspotting in hyderabad is
the
newly opened Necklace road. Those visiting Hyd can spend a nice evening
on
beside the Hussainsagar lake and more importantly adjacent to the
Hyd-Sec'bad track. The best time is between 5.00 and 7.00 pm or 6.00 to
8.00
am. One can spot 24 coach trains like Godavari, Charminar in the
evenings.
Late evening visitors can spot the all important A.P Exp, Krishna,
Narsapur,
Mumbai expresses between 8.00 and 9.30p.m. The whole train can be
visible
for a full 1 km section of track and since the max booked speed in this
curved track is 25kmph its a treat for any railfan. This is just an info

regards,
Anand


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