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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: conveyor belts

Date: 08 Nov 1998 19:12:21 -0500




> >2-20-20-2 Virginian < good GOD! This isn't a locomotive, it's a
> >conveyor belt! >

Uhm... my reference books aren't here, and my memory fails, but this is
a typo.

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: NRM Update

Date: 08 Nov 1998 20:49:57 -0500


Hi, fellow IR fans:

Just back after 3 weeks in Delhi.

I visited the National Railway Museum to pay my
respects. Good to see that the stock has been painted
and in generally better shape compared to last
year. A new addition is an ex-NR WAP1,
nameplated "Jagjivan Ram".

Wish the plaques would carry more technical and
chronological information rather than vaguely
worded buffer text.

To my astonishment, the indoor displays had been
augmented with several Hornby 00 layouts. While
I quite enjoyed watching these trains, based on British
prototypes, chase their tails all over the layouts,
(rather unimaginatively designed with sectional track),
I am a little mystified about the reason they have
been put there. I mean, an HST, or a Eurostar, or
even an A4 Gresley Pacific.....what do these have
to do with the purpose of the NRM ? They have spent
a small fortune on these trains, but why ?

There is a sense of cynicism still in the way the
NRM is run (I was unable to obtain forms for the
FNRM simply because of the apathetic staff). Setting
up a Hornby layout is, sadly, an echo of the attitude
that surrounds the NRM: put up "toy trains" to keep
the kids occupied, and becuase Hornby now has a
convenient dealership in Delhi......

I wonder what it will take for the NRM to realise its
full potential: as one of the most remarkable industrial
heritage sites anywhere in the world, with priceless
authentic resources; and not a mere amusement park.

Oh, and I did have a look at the MG couplers. the earliest
MG stock had simple choppers (as Dr Walker said) without
tensioners (but they still use wire to tie down the
choppers on the NFR : why ?)

--
Jayant S
--

PS: The trip to Delhi was undertaken on the August Kranti
Rajdhani express. These trains reinforce my belief in IR.
Unfortunately, rain seems to have damaged the west coast
WR route, and the ride at speed was AWFUL, with springs
bottoming out frequently. Is it likely that IR passenger
stock will ever have pneumatic suspension ?

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Through trains in Termini

Date: 08 Nov 1998 20:58:20 -0500


> I was thinking about how many through trains use termini like Chennai
> Central or Howrah. Let me simplify. There are many trains which come
to
> Chennai central on their dead end platform, then a loco is attached on
> the other end and then the trains goes elsewhere. I have seen a
Rajdhani
> (Trivandrum - NDLS I think) do this at Chennai before the advent of
> Konkan rail. This sort of trains never have used the Mumbai CSTM. Can
> the gang list any other trains and termini which fit this description
?

While not strictly a terminus, Siliguri used to feature reversals
on MG trains travelling between Guwahati and Katihar.
One possibly unique station move is that of trains on the
DHR at Kurseong station. Trains to Darjeeling move into the
platform roads which are on spurs. To resume their journey
they have to REVERSE back out on the main line. Trains from
Darjeeling reverse into Kurseong station, and then move
straight out again to continue. I can't think of any other place
with this kind of operation.

--
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Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
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From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: Through trains in Termini

Date: 08 Nov 1998 21:22:40 -0500


Hi Jayant,
Dorchester (South?) on the Southern Railway/Region in England:
through
trains in the Up direction had to draw forward and then set back into
the Up
platform. I think the whole thing was rebuilt about 20 years ago.
NB that the Darjeeling used to work freight trains straight through
at
Kurseong. They could water in the yard by the goods shed, and of course
access to the passenger platform wasn't necessary.
Cheers
Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: Jayant S <sank@telco.email
To: IR List <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, 9 November 1998 3:07
Subject: Re: Through trains in Termini


>> I was thinking about how many through trains use termini like Chennai
>> Central or Howrah. Let me simplify. There are many trains which come
to
>> Chennai central on their dead end platform, then a loco is attached
on
>> the other end and then the trains goes elsewhere. I have seen a
Rajdhani
>> (Trivandrum - NDLS I think) do this at Chennai before the advent of
>> Konkan rail. This sort of trains never have used the Mumbai CSTM. Can
>> the gang list any other trains and termini which fit this description
?
>
>While not strictly a terminus, Siliguri used to feature reversals
>on MG trains travelling between Guwahati and Katihar.
>One possibly unique station move is that of trains on the
>DHR at Kurseong station. Trains to Darjeeling move into the
>platform roads which are on spurs. To resume their journey
>they have to REVERSE back out on the main line. Trains from
>Darjeeling reverse into Kurseong station, and then move
>straight out again to continue. I can't think of any other place
>with this kind of operation.
>
>--
>Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
>Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
>TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
>--
>

From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: Bombay EMUs &c

Date: 08 Nov 1998 22:00:03 -0500


Hi Apurva,
I guess the missing word is "know". Answer: I have been working for
many
years (as a spare-time thing) on a history of Indian railway rolling
stock.
Locomotives are not included, since Hugh Hughes has done those in minute
detail. I'm concentrating on sketching the development of IR
rollingstock of
all kinds up to about 1970 or so. There's a hell of a lot to find out,
and
it has been a very long business. It has taken me to London, York, and
Birmingham; to the Indian Archives in Delhi; and a lot of Victorian
drawing
offices at regional railway headquarters. Furthermore, I'll never be
able to
cover every item the way Hughes has done. Best I can do is identify
general
design trends, etc. More as we go along!
My general knowledge of railways comes from modelling them since
childhood, and photographing them in adulthood.
Cheers
Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <kjw_meh@powerup.email
Date: Monday, 9 November 1998 3:34
Subject: Re: Tidbits from early IR issues


>Thanks Doc,
>
>How do you so much ?
>
>Apurva
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 08 Nov 1998 22:27:13 -0500


> A new addition is an ex-NR WAP1,
> nameplated "Jagjivan Ram".

Are the WAPs so old that they be sent to the museum ? In the same
light all our older DC locos WCM 1/2/3/4/5, and the WCG 2 are older
than that WAP power and definitely deserve a seat overlooking the WAP.

> been put there. I mean, an HST, or a Eurostar, or
> even an A4 Gresley Pacific.....what do these have
> to do with the purpose of the NRM ? They have spent
> a small fortune on these trains, but why ?

Unless the Model Railway Society of Pune get serious about
commercially producing HO class WDM 2s, WAM 4s, WPs and WGs with
Indian Railway stock we are forced to put up with Hornby and the rest.
Atleast kids (of all ages) would now like to think of trains (even
models) as an enjoyable activity. Maybe the foreign models would help
to highlight the grace of the Indian Railways !
I have always found the TGVs, the ICEs and the Bullet Trains so
tasteless and bland - ANY train on the IR have a greater personality.

> Oh, and I did have a look at the MG couplers. the earliest
> MG stock had simple choppers (as Dr Walker said) without
> tensioners (but they still use wire to tie down the
> choppers on the NFR : why ?)

The chopper comes off when the dynamic brakes are applied on a
gradient ? It happens to the WDM2s where the CBCs couple to the screw
coupler - a fabricated clamp is put over the hook to prevent the
coupling from coming off when the dynamic / loco brakes are applied
during a run.

> PS: The trip to Delhi was undertaken on the August Kranti
> Rajdhani express. These trains reinforce my belief in IR.
> Unfortunately, rain seems to have damaged the west coast
> WR route, and the ride at speed was AWFUL, with springs
> bottoming out frequently. Is it likely that IR passenger
> stock will ever have pneumatic suspension ?

The Mumbai locals are soon coming with pneumatic suspension to cope
with different loads at different times. I believe the new coach from
RCF Kapurthala IRY/IR20 (the one with corrugated sides) has pneumatic
suspension. The Shan e Punjab Exp is already using these coaches.It
would be nice to have a travelogue (Down as well as Up) from you like
the one from Porus some time back.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Homing at Chennai (or rather, foreign terminography).

Date: 09 Nov 1998 01:33:12 -0500


Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath wrote:

> Hi Apurva,
> Tippler technology varies rather a lot. There was one design which
used a
> rotary coupler on the train, so that each wagon could be rotated,
emptied,
> and righted again without uncoupling.

I do not think we have any coaches with a rotary coupling - it would
have been big news and we would have heard about it. But tippler
frames we do have - I have seen a picture of that somewhere. My wife
Shyama was involved in a film shooting of some power station in Madhya
Pradesh where she has seen a tippler in action. She remembers that
each coach was pushed in the frame one at a time by a steam engine -
maybe I can get that video and give you the correct procedure.

Apurva

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 09 Nov 1998 01:47:48 -0500


> I visited the National Railway Museum to pay my
> respects. Good to see that the stock has been painted
> and in generally better shape compared to last
> year. A new addition is an ex-NR WAP1,
> nameplated "Jagjivan Ram".

Hi Jayant,

Good to know that the stock in NRM has been painted. But how authentic
is
the livery. I have always lamented the fact that the stock is always
painted in the "Playground" colours to make them look more attractive to
the visitors and the children who come to picnic there. I was shocked to
see horrible unimaginative livery applied to the ex G.I.P. electrics.

> To my astonishment, the indoor displays had been
> augmented with several Hornby 00 layouts. While
> I quite enjoyed watching these trains, based on British
> prototypes, chase their tails all over the layouts,
> (rather unimaginatively designed with sectional track),
> I am a little mystified about the reason they have
> been put there. I mean, an HST, or a Eurostar, or
> even an A4 Gresley Pacific.....what do these have
> to do with the purpose of the NRM ? They have spent
> a small fortune on these trains, but why ?

You answered that "to keep the kids occupied".
>
> There is a sense of cynicism still in the way the
> NRM is run (I was unable to obtain forms for the
> FNRM simply because of the apathetic staff). Setting
> up a Hornby layout is, sadly, an echo of the attitude
> that surrounds the NRM: put up "toy trains" to keep
> the kids occupied, and becuase Hornby now has a
> convenient dealership in Delhi......

There is a lot of potential in railways itself to produce scaled working
models of Indian railways. Also I know of atleast two gentlemen in Pune
who makes wonderful Indian railways models - they have been even
appreaciated abroad. Might be in the future The Railway Museum might use
the skills of these persons to create a authentic Indian Railways
layout.

> I wonder what it will take for the NRM to
realise its > full potential: as one of the most remarkable industrial
> heritage sites anywhere in the world, with priceless
> authentic resources; and not a mere amusement park.


Just for your info I was reading an article on "Mallard and her A4
sisters" in The Railway Magazine - July 1998 issue where the author
pities
that when the BRB presented No.60010 Dominion Of Canada to the Canadians
then why not A4 No.4490 Empire Of India to the Indians.

Regards
Viraf.

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Classical Music

Date: 09 Nov 1998 02:01:50 -0500



Hi,

Any one interested in Western Classical Music - specially that pertains
to
the train?

1. Luigi Denza an Italian composer wrote Funiculi Funicular to celebrate
the opening of the Funicular railway to the top of Mount Vesuvius in
Italy. Later Richard Strauss incorporated it in the finale of his
symphonie fantasy "Aus Italien". I have this piece sung by Pavarotti.

2. Hans Christian Lumbye wrote Jolrndane - railway gallop.

3. Johann strauss Jr. wrote a fast Polka Vergnugungszug - Excursion
Train.

4. Eduard Strauss composed a very lively piece Bahn Frei - a musical
train
ride with guard's whistle and engine whistle. This was played this year
during the opening of the Musical season in Vienna. The conductor Zubin
Mehta dresed himself as an Austrian Guard waving a flag and blowing the
whistle whilst conducting this piece.

5. French composer Arthur Honeggar composed Pacific 231.

6. Brazilian composer Heitor Villa lobos wrote "The Little Train of
caipira"

7. Franz Schubert has all the energy of an express train in his Great C
major Symphony No.9




==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 09 Nov 1998 02:01:59 -0500


Hello,
Thats a typo. The engine retired to the NRm last month is a WAM/1, built
to
a French design in Germany.
Best regards.
Shankar

At 11:57 AM 11/9/98 +0530, you wrote:
>> A new addition is an ex-NR WAP1,
>> nameplated "Jagjivan Ram".
>
>Are the WAPs so old that they be sent to the museum ? In the same
>light all our older DC locos WCM 1/2/3/4/5, and the WCG 2 are older
>than that WAP power and definitely deserve a seat overlooking the WAP.
>
>> been put there. I mean, an HST, or a Eurostar, or
>> even an A4 Gresley Pacific.....what do these have
>> to do with the purpose of the NRM ? They have spent
>> a small fortune on these trains, but why ?
>
>Unless the Model Railway Society of Pune get serious about
>commercially producing HO class WDM 2s, WAM 4s, WPs and WGs with
>Indian Railway stock we are forced to put up with Hornby and the rest.
>Atleast kids (of all ages) would now like to think of trains (even
>models) as an enjoyable activity. Maybe the foreign models would help
>to highlight the grace of the Indian Railways !
>I have always found the TGVs, the ICEs and the Bullet Trains so
>tasteless and bland - ANY train on the IR have a greater personality.
>
>> Oh, and I did have a look at the MG couplers. the earliest
>> MG stock had simple choppers (as Dr Walker said) without
>> tensioners (but they still use wire to tie down the
>> choppers on the NFR : why ?)
>
>The chopper comes off when the dynamic brakes are applied on a
>gradient ? It happens to the WDM2s where the CBCs couple to the screw
>coupler - a fabricated clamp is put over the hook to prevent the
>coupling from coming off when the dynamic / loco brakes are applied
>during a run.
>
>> PS: The trip to Delhi was undertaken on the August Kranti
>> Rajdhani express. These trains reinforce my belief in IR.
>> Unfortunately, rain seems to have damaged the west coast
>> WR route, and the ride at speed was AWFUL, with springs
>> bottoming out frequently. Is it likely that IR passenger
>> stock will ever have pneumatic suspension ?
>
>The Mumbai locals are soon coming with pneumatic suspension to cope
>with different loads at different times. I believe the new coach from
>RCF Kapurthala IRY/IR20 (the one with corrugated sides) has pneumatic
>suspension. The Shan e Punjab Exp is already using these coaches.It
>would be nice to have a travelogue (Down as well as Up) from you like
>the one from Porus some time back.
>
>Apurva
>
>
>
>

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 09 Nov 1998 02:11:58 -0500


> then why not A4 No.4490 Empire Of India to the Indians.
I didn't know about 4490: does she still exist ? Where ?

--
Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
--

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update: Apurva

Date: 09 Nov 1998 02:19:52 -0500


> Are the WAPs so old that they be sent to the museum ?
This one is a German-made loco from 1958. Also: I goofed
slightly: it is a WAM1 and not a WAP1.
And you are right: locos such as the Vulcan Foundry-built
WCP1 are more deserving of a place at the NRM !
> I have always found the TGVs, the ICEs and the Bullet Trains so
> tasteless and bland - ANY train on the IR have a greater personality.
I agree completely.
> It would be nice to have a travelogue (Down as well as Up) from you
like
> the one from Porus some time back.
What amazes me about the Rajdhani Exps is that such a standard of
service should not be so difficult to extend to other trains.
Is there any talk of accelerating these trains ? There seem to
be several "technical" halts which do not affect the schedule.
Mathura was, for some reason, a 45 minute halt.

Flew back to Pune: dull.

--
Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
--

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Visit to the station

Date: 09 Nov 1998 03:39:24 -0500


Capital `R' after the engine number means `rebuilt'. The loco probably
met a
serious accident and had to be rebuilt in one of the shops. Sometimes
you
can also locate a plate(on the cabside) which mentions this.

HARSH

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Visit to the station


>
>
>Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
>> Gang !
>>
>> Just back from the station to pick up some guests arriving for the
>> holiday season. I saw a Guntakal WDM 2 with a number '17660R'. There
was
>> nothing unusual about the loco but this is the first time I have seen
>> the number of a loco with an addition. Anyone with a clue to the
>> additional 'R'. I asked the assistant driver about the 'R' and he
told
>> me seriously that 'R' probably stood for 'Railways'. I gave up
instantly
>> any further attempt to derive knowledge from him.
>> Usually a derivative of a loco will have an additional letter it its
>> type text like WDM 2A or a WAM 4P.
>
>I forgot to add - this 'R' loco had unique handles of the engine and
>generator doors. Normally the WDM 2 has a protruding handle which has
to be
>turned left about 30 degrees to unlock and then the door can be opened.
This
>loco had flush door handles - a finger would have to be inserted below
the
>handle and lifted upwards - then the door could be swung open. Maybe
'R'
>stood for 'recessed' !
>
>Apurva
>
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Barsi Light Loco

Date: 09 Nov 1998 03:43:17 -0500


Rail washing valve is used to put off ash/fire dropped from the loco.
With
wooden sleepers there is a serious chance of them getting burnt out.
Nearly
all locos have this feature though the name might differ.

HARSH


-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:07 PM
Subject: Barsi Light Loco


>Gang !
>
>Prakash has sent me a photo and an engineering drawing of a Nasmyth G
>class Barsi Light loco of 1928. From this profile it is quite evident
>that the F class no 724 is also a Nasmyth product. I would request
>Prakash to upload those pics to his website so that others may also
>have a look. In the engineering view there is a 'rail washing valve'.
>Can anyone explain what function that may have ?
>
>Apurva
>
>
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Classical Music

Date: 09 Nov 1998 05:18:55 -0500


Sorry for being so insensitive - but I cannot help admiring the way the
Chaiya
Chaiya song (from the current top Hindi film Dil Se) has been shot. For
those
who have not had a look - it a rake consisting of a X class (tender
foremost
! - what do you call a tank loco going in reverse ?), two flat wagons, a
couple of covered coaches and again a couple of flat wagons. Are these
standard MG flat wagons - no I do not think so - the passenger coaches
are
wooden items meant for that section only. Anyway the cameraman woos the
train
in many nice pan shots (many over viaducts) and shots on aboard the
moving
rake to show the actors gyrating. I think they missed out on continuity
- I
could have sworn they showed the rake once with two flat cars after the
loco
and then again with two passenger coaches after the loco. Clearly the
song
was shot at different times. The film makers expected everyone to be
engrossed
with Shah Rukh Khan or the shapely lady but they did not bargain upon
the odd
railway enthusiast looking up scene with a totally different meaning !

Apurva

From: ranand <>

Subject: Re: Suri transmission/ indigenous technology (and model trains)

Date: 09 Nov 1998 05:53:57 -0500



> Voith has its Indian collaborator 'Kirloskar Pneumatics' in Pune who
> make trannys for many railway projects like the DHMU, OHE car and the
> WDS 4. Hindustan Motors (in Mysore ?) make the hyd packs required for
> the railbus and smaller track/OHE maint vehicles.

I have a question about the WDS4: Is this based on the famous German
V.60
shunting locomotive?
I believe that the class is now called 360 (after their renumbering in
the
late 60s). The general layout
is almost identical. When were WDS4s produced in India.

I have fond memories of the ring railway train in Delhi being hauled by
a
WDS4 (with three yellow
coaches). On many occasions, my brother and I (joyriding) were the only
passengers on the entire
train.

Incidentally, I have been building a model train layout (with Marklin)
now
for the past few years. Marklin
is a German manufacturer of model trains (although purists describe them
as
toy trains :-) I have
a Class 360 shunting engine (described above) as well as a few old
German
diesels. I have implemented
a simple block system with colored lights signalling which permits me to
run two trains at once.

Are any other IRFCA readers building train layouts?

Anand

Internet: anand@watson.email
External tel: (914) 784 7054
Notes: Rangachari Anand/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
Tie-line: 863 7054

From: Doug Cummings <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 09 Nov 1998 06:12:07 -0500



-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: NRM Update


With all the discussion about preservation, has anyone ever thought of
forming an Indian Railroad Historical Association, or Society, or
whatever
the Indian equivilant would be, to try and preserve some of the history
of
Indian railways, outside of the NRM?

You would likely get members from outside of India.

From: Madhav Acharya <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update: Apurva

Date: 09 Nov 1998 06:22:30 -0500


Hi

I agree with the fact that IR trains have a character to them
that is missing in trains in other countries. I've travelled only
once on Amtrak and that experience has been enough to keep
me away from it for the past 4 yrs ! The only trains I travel on out
here
are the subways. Speaking of which, what is the state of the calcutta
metro ? I saw it when it first opened and it was really neat and clean.
Is it still the same ?

I believe that IR should be made the dominant mode of transport in
the country like most countries in Europe. then the great automobile
boom
that leads to congestion and pollution in the US will not affect Indian
roads
which are already in bad shape. If only the general public would keep
the
trains clean and help maintain them by not trashing the place, it would
do
wonders
and make IR at par with railways around the world. We already transport
more
people in any case - we just need the added service element that can
push
it to
the top. Perhaps a dose of privatization ?

Madhav





Jayant S <sank@telco.email on 11/09/98 05:19:52 AM

Please respond to sank@telco.email

To: IR List <irfca@cs.email
cc: (bcc: Madhav Acharya/EastCoast/Mobil-Notes)
Subject: Re: NRM Update: Apurva





> Are the WAPs so old that they be sent to the museum ?
This one is a German-made loco from 1958. Also: I goofed
slightly: it is a WAM1 and not a WAP1.
And you are right: locos such as the Vulcan Foundry-built
WCP1 are more deserving of a place at the NRM !
> I have always found the TGVs, the ICEs and the Bullet Trains so
> tasteless and bland - ANY train on the IR have a greater personality.
I agree completely.
> It would be nice to have a travelogue (Down as well as Up) from you
like
> the one from Porus some time back.
What amazes me about the Rajdhani Exps is that such a standard of
service should not be so difficult to extend to other trains.
Is there any talk of accelerating these trains ? There seem to
be several "technical" halts which do not affect the schedule.
Mathura was, for some reason, a 45 minute halt.

Flew back to Pune: dull.

--
Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(212)774261 ext 2534 : FAX 91(212)773191
--

From: Don Dickens <>

Subject: Re: NRM Update

Date: 09 Nov 1998 07:42:55 -0500


Please forgive this "Yankee" his ignorance but where does the funding
for the NRM come from. In other words, are they accountable to anyone
for how the museum activities are conducted?
Don Dickens

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Alarm(Chain) Pulling

Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:27:23 -0500


Well my Friends,
                         Excuse me for this unscheduled interruption. I sent an email for joining around 25.10.98 and you must have thought that I have become a part of the gang. Well so did I but some computer glitch ensured that it was not to be.
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I was not receiving any mail from IRFCA directly and only what was either sent to me either directly or as a Cc copy. So I checked with Anurag today and found that I had almost missed the train as my name did'nt figure in the mailing list. Well here Iam again but having missed some action in between. Anurag has kindly sent me the backlog of mail of these 16-17 days. But the file is so big that I gave up after 3 efforts.
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So anyone who had specifically directed anything for me in their mail in the meantime(and did not mark a Cc to me) expecting a response and thought that I was too busy(or upright) to reply will have to send their mails again. My contact is champa@del3.email <mailto:champa@del3.email or vardhan_harsh@hotmail.email <mailto:vardhan_harsh@hotmail.email
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Well, there we go again. Chug Chug Chuk Chuk
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HARSH VARDHAN
FNRM
NEW DELHI
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