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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: double decker coaches.

Date: 07 Sep 1998 23:25:12 -0500




Poras,

You missed out on Valsad Fast passenger which is also a double deckered
train.

Viraf
On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, poras p.saklatwalla wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:
>
> >
> > What trains have double-decker rakes these days ?
> >
> > -dheeraj
> > --------------
> > Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
> > Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627
(Res)
> > Indian Institute of Technology (0512)
59-0725/0413 (Fax)
> > Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA.
dheeraj@iitk.email
> >
>
> PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> TEL :5773535/3636
> EXT :4226/4232/4237
>
>
> Only 9021 dn flying ranee running between Surat and Mumbai Central
> Other train I know of is Pune Daund Passenger on CR.
>
>

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: Vivek Prakash <>

Subject: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 03:45:20 -0500


Hi all,
I've always wondered why IR cant have double decker EMU's in service in
the mumbai sector since overcrowding is such a problem... they are in
operation in a number of other places in the world - sydney, chicago,
etc.. why not mumbai?

Regards
Vivek

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 06:50:35 -0500




Vivek Prakash wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've always wondered why IR cant have double decker EMU's in service
in
> the mumbai sector since overcrowding is such a problem... they are in
> operation in a number of other places in the world - sydney, chicago,
> etc.. why not mumbai?

The Mumbai EMU's compensate by being the widest rail vehicles in the
world
at 12 feet. I think the Sydney, Chicago etc are push pull trains and not
EMUs. But correct me if I am wrong

Apurva

>
>
> Regards
> Vivek

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA Websites

Date: 08 Sep 1998 08:14:20 -0500


>A hopefully complete set of links to all the IRFCA members websites is
>available at <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm">http://www.trainweb.com/indiarail/irfca.htm</A> . If I have
left
>anyone out I certainly want to hear about it .
>

Here is my fifth photo page:

<A HREF="http://www.xula.edu/~vbalasub/train5.html">http://www.xula.edu/~vbalasub/train5.html</A>

Also, I have a set of IR links at: <A HREF="http://www.xula.edu/~vbalasub">http://www.xula.edu/~vbalasub</A>

Vijay

P.S. I wonder why these pages are still active, since I don't work at
Xavier anymore!!!

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: double decker coaches.

Date: 08 Sep 1998 08:19:47 -0500




>HI!
>Not so sure about CR but WR definetly runs 2 services with Douvle Deck
>coaches! The two trains are -
>Bombay-Surat Flying Ranee and
>Bombay-Valsad Fast Passenger
>
>Till not so,long ago, the Saurashtra Mail used to have a single double
>deck coach attatched to it and so did the Gujarat Express!
>
>Regrads,
>Bharat Vohra

The last time I saw the Mumbai-Pune Sinhagad Exp. and the Mumbai-Manmad
Panchavati Exp. they were double-deckered. Has that changed? In fact,
I had a chance to travel on the Sinhagad Exp. from Mumbai CST to Pune -
an interesting experience. Is the Kurla-Manmad Exp. also
double-deckered?

I have also seen the Deccan Queen with a couple of these coaches. In
fact, I have such a coach on my web-page. The Trivandrum-Ernakulam
Vanchchinad Exp. used to be a double-deckered train. Is that still the
case? How about the Venad Exp.?

They also tried these on Calcutta trains such as the Asansol Exp.(?)
but that has been withdrawn.

Vijay


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From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 08:53:09 -0500


Why not have more double decker suburban trains in India? Possibly
because
the double deckers have much less room for standees.

From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: Re: double decker coaches.

Date: 08 Sep 1998 09:35:18 -0500


> The last time I saw the Mumbai-Pune Sinhagad Exp. and the
Mumbai-Manmad
> Panchavati Exp. they were double-deckered. Has that changed? In
fact,
> I had a chance to travel on the Sinhagad Exp. from Mumbai CST to Pune
-
> an interesting experience. Is the Kurla-Manmad Exp. also
> double-deckered?

> I have also seen the Deccan Queen with a couple of these coaches.
In
> fact, I have such a coach on my web-page.

All Mumbai-Pune trains now have regular coaches - including Sinhagad.
Can
someone post as to when the double-decker coaches were removed from
Sinhagad?

-Pushkar
-------

From: Prakash Tendulkar <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:17:48 -0500


Apurva is right. Chicago is push - pull train, so is the CalTrain
in San Francisco. They all have, and so does Portage - Whittier
shuttle, double deck coaches. I cannot say about Chicago train but
CalTrain and Alaska Rail Road double deck coaches have two isles
on upper deck with one seat each and open space in-between. This
allows passengers on lower deck to stand when all seats are occupied.

In Mumbai suburban section, overcrowding is an acute problem. Some
25 years back, WR introduced a "Standee" train with very few seats.
It was a set comprised of three units, 701, 702 and 703 with 703
in the middle. It had 4 motorcoaches (against normal 3 for 9 coach
sets), had heavy duty springs and it operated only during peak
periods. It was a great workhorse. During my last trip to Mumbai,
I did not see any additions of this type.

Prakash

From: Shankarnarayan, Sridhar <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:01:29 -0500


Folks,

Chicago has both. The Metra which goes to the suburbs is a push-pull
service, the loco (mostly EMD F40s) on one end and a control cab on the
other end. The coaches are as described by Prakash. In addition, there
is the EL which is an elevated emu type service with in the city and to
the airport. These run lightweight EMU type single deck stainless steel
stock (nowhere near as wide as our Mumbai EMUs).

-Sridhar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prakash Tendulkar [SMTP:prakash@us.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:18 PM
> To: iti@giaspn01.email
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?
>
> Apurva is right. Chicago is push - pull train, so is the CalTrain
> in San Francisco. They all have, and so does Portage - Whittier
> shuttle, double deck coaches. I cannot say about Chicago train but
> CalTrain and Alaska Rail Road double deck coaches have two isles
> on upper deck with one seat each and open space in-between. This
> allows passengers on lower deck to stand when all seats are occupied.
>
> In Mumbai suburban section, overcrowding is an acute problem. Some
> 25 years back, WR introduced a "Standee" train with very few seats.
> It was a set comprised of three units, 701, 702 and 703 with 703
> in the middle. It had 4 motorcoaches (against normal 3 for 9 coach
> sets), had heavy duty springs and it operated only during peak
> periods. It was a great workhorse. During my last trip to Mumbai,
> I did not see any additions of this type.
>
> Prakash
>

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:33:45 -0500


Prakash Tendulkar wrote:
>
> Apurva is right. Chicago is push - pull train, so is the CalTrain
> in San Francisco. They all have, and so does Portage - Whittier
> shuttle, double deck coaches. I cannot say about Chicago train but
> CalTrain and Alaska Rail Road double deck coaches have two isles
> on upper deck with one seat each and open space in-between. This
> allows passengers on lower deck to stand when all seats are occupied.

Such cars are called "Gallery Cars" as opposed to "Double Deckers" which
have two complete floors, like in the Amtrak Superliners or in the Paris
RER and Banlieu trains, to name a few.

As for push-pull, almost all diesel operations and all electric
loco-hauled operations among the various commuter agencies along the
North East Corridor are push-pull with the locomotive at one end of the
train and a cab control car at the other end. This spans the entire
gamut from MBTA in Boston, through Metro-North, LIRR and NJTransit
around New York/New Jersey, SEPTA in Philadelphia and MARC and VRE
around Washington DC/Baltimore.

Incidentally, in the UK the ECML (East Coast Main Line) and WCML (West
Coast Main Line) high speed electric trains are also mostly push-pull
with a locomotive at one end and a DVT (Driving Van Trailer) at the
other end, and they run along happily at 125-130mph.

Jishnu.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:49:34 -0500


Toronto's GO Transit also has double decker trains, and these are also
push-pull. These Canadian-built trains are also used for the Metrolink
service in Southern California - in fact, before painting, some of the
Metrolink trains ran with the GO colors and logo (GO stands for
Government
of Ontario).

There was a lot of talk about these trains in Toronto a few years ago
after
an accident on the GO train - why the trains had to be push-pull because
of
inadequate facilities at Toronto Union Station, the usual advice about
not
sitting in the cab directly next to the loco in push mode, etc.

Incidentally, regarding Chicago's line, one interesting note is that the
most recent of the F40s on the Chicago suburban line, the F40PHM-2s, are
different in appearance than normal F40s. In my opinion, at least, these
models with their forward cab design have a nicer, more European look to
them, and I've been trying to find a good model of one in stores for
some
time. You can check out comparisons on
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/chirailfan/rosmetlp.html">http://members.aol.com/chirailfan/rosmetlp.html</A>.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Shankarnarayan, Sridhar
[mailto:Sridhar_Shankarnarayan@ATKEARNEY.email
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:01 AM
To: Prakash Tendulkar; iti@giaspn01.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email
Subject: RE: Double Decker suburban trains?


Folks,

Chicago has both. The Metra which goes to the suburbs is a push-pull
service, the loco (mostly EMD F40s) on one end and a control cab on the
other end. The coaches are as described by Prakash. In addition, there
is the EL which is an elevated emu type service with in the city and to
the airport. These run lightweight EMU type single deck stainless steel
stock (nowhere near as wide as our Mumbai EMUs).

-Sridhar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prakash Tendulkar [SMTP:prakash@us.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:18 PM
> To: iti@giaspn01.email
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?
>
> Apurva is right. Chicago is push - pull train, so is the CalTrain
> in San Francisco. They all have, and so does Portage - Whittier
> shuttle, double deck coaches. I cannot say about Chicago train but
> CalTrain and Alaska Rail Road double deck coaches have two isles
> on upper deck with one seat each and open space in-between. This
> allows passengers on lower deck to stand when all seats are occupied.
>
> In Mumbai suburban section, overcrowding is an acute problem. Some
> 25 years back, WR introduced a "Standee" train with very few seats.
> It was a set comprised of three units, 701, 702 and 703 with 703
> in the middle. It had 4 motorcoaches (against normal 3 for 9 coach
> sets), had heavy duty springs and it operated only during peak
> periods. It was a great workhorse. During my last trip to Mumbai,
> I did not see any additions of this type.
>
> Prakash
>

From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: Freight losses

Date: 08 Sep 1998 14:54:25 -0500



Attached is an article from Economic Times.

Why is IR losing money on freight operations? Given India's
not-too-great road infrastructure, I would imagine that IR has a great
thing going on freight operations! Does anyone have a rough
percentage on how much goods transportation in India occurs by rail vs
road?

Note also the conscious policy to "encourage elitist travel". What
does this mean? More tourist, Rajdhani & Shatabdi trains?

Pushkar
-------

From: Pushkar Apte <>

Subject: Article

Date: 08 Sep 1998 14:56:10 -0500


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Sneh Lata Bhatia
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NEW DELHI 8 SEPTEMBER
THE Railways is likely to `marginally hike'
(rationalise) passenger fares again to make up for
the Rs 400-crore loss resulting from the freight
loss in the first five months of the current
financial year. There is, however, no proposal to
raise freight tariff to make good the freight loss.

The Railways also proposes to reduce the 1998-99
freight target from 450 million tonnes to 440
million tonnes. Due to overriding recession in the
first two quarters of 1998-99, the Railways has
loaded ten million tonnes less freight compared to
the projected target.

Even compared to the corresponding five months of
last year, freight loss is 5.4 million tonnes. The
Railways is compelled to resort to passenger fare
hike because there are reportedly no other options.
The proposal to increase budgetary support of Rs
2,200 crore has been turned down. The finance
ministry has also explained that the dividend
liability of over Rs 1,700 crore cannot be even
partially waived as the finance minister has taken
credit for this amount in the general budget.

Determined to keep its revenue targets in place,
there is no hope for a dividend waiver. An
alternative strategy has been worked out to combat
the poor loading trends if the situation does not
improve. Top priority will be given to passenger
traffic specially on the popular routes. Secondly,
attempt will be made to encourage elitist travel.
Passenger traffic has earned a profit of Rs 34
crore. Passenger earnings however, cannot make up
for the revenue loss. Consequently, attempts will
have to be made to increase freight at any cost,
according to officials.

The Railways therefore will undertake massive
marketing drive to pick up sundry traffic. With a
deliberate decision to keep freight rates under
check, the Railways hopes to woo long-distance
traffic from the roadways .

The BJP coalition has taken conscious decision not
to raise freight rates again as the repeated upward
revision in freight rates have become counter
productive.

Freight share of the roadways has gone up from 36
per cent to around 60 per cent. This has resulted
in a serious setback to rail loading. So there is
no plan to increase freight rates even in the long
term. Official sources disclose that even if the
loading trends improve in September, ``it will not
be possible to regain the lost freight". Freight
once lost is lost, they aver.

``To ensure that the downtrend is contained, we
will have to load a minimum of 2 million tonnes of
freight over and above the target in the remaining
period of the current financial year," they say.

The loading has been poor especially on account of
coal, foodgrains and steel. The Railways hopes that
after the government boosts public expenditure in
September as promised, loading will improve. If
this does not happen, it will have to look for
alternate earning sources.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Freight losses

Date: 08 Sep 1998 15:32:56 -0500


I was somewhat amused by that phrase myself - the term "elitist" is
often
used for negative purposes.

Encouraging use of Shatabdis for business day trips rather than airline
flights, and encouraging more upper-middle-class and middle-class
passengers
to "escape 2nd class" by upgrading to A/C 1st class, seem like two
strategies that could fall under this category.

Less-than-projected numbers for freight traffic could be the result of
many
factors, not the least of which being the general economic slowdown of
recent months (hence the phrase "overriding recession"). If the railways
budget was counting on a certain level of growth in freight traffic, but
that didn't occur (and was 10 million tonnes below projections), then
the
reaction is to raise freight rates, which makes road-based freight more
attractive, despite it's problems.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Pushkar Apte [mailto:apte@spdc.email
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 2:54 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Cc: apte@epcot.email
Subject: Freight losses



Attached is an article from Economic Times.

Why is IR losing money on freight operations? Given India's
not-too-great road infrastructure, I would imagine that IR has a great
thing going on freight operations! Does anyone have a rough
percentage on how much goods transportation in India occurs by rail vs
road?

Note also the conscious policy to "encourage elitist travel". What
does this mean? More tourist, Rajdhani & Shatabdi trains?

Pushkar
-------

From: PROTIP.DASGUPTA <>

Subject: Re: double decker coaches.

Date: 08 Sep 1998 16:54:43 -0500


HI!
Not so sure about CR but WR definetly runs 2 services with Douvle Deck
coaches! The two trains are -
Bombay-Surat Flying Ranee and
Bombay-Valsad Fast Passenger

Till not so,long ago, the Saurashtra Mail used to have a single double
deck coach attatched to it and so did the Gujarat Express!

Regrads,
Bharat Vohra

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, poras p.saklatwalla wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:
>
> >
> > What trains have double-decker rakes these days ?
> >
> > -dheeraj
> > --------------
> > Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
> > Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627
(Res)
> > Indian Institute of Technology (0512)
59-0725/0413 (Fax)
> > Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA.
dheeraj@iitk.email
> >
>
> PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> TEL :5773535/3636
> EXT :4226/4232/4237
>
>
> Only 9021 dn flying ranee running between Surat and Mumbai Central
> Other train I know of is Pune Daund Passenger on CR.
>
>
>

From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 17:14:53 -0500


Hi folks,
Apurva was right to draw attention to the Sydney double-deck
suburbans,
but wrong to say they're push-pulls. There are no double-deck push-pull
trains on the New South Wales network, and in fact they make very
little, if
any, use of PP technology.
Sydney is into its second generation of double-deck trains, and a
third
is in prospect. They have now completely rpelaced single-deck trains.
There
is ample seating, and quite a lot of space for standees. Also, they are
true
double-deck cars, in that the centre section has a floored upper deck:
they
are not like the "gallery" cars on the Illinois Central in Chicago.
It might pay WR/CR/ER to look at the SYndey designs, since, like IR
the
NSWGR (as it then was) went for a wider laoding gauge in the suburban
area
when they electrified back in the 1920s (1500v DC, overhead current
collection.) They chose 10ft 6ins (3.2m), and the newer double-deck
stock
has had to be made about 9ins (228mm) narrower because of loading gauge
constraints, mainly near near the roof. The IR loading gauge on 5ft 6in
(1600mm) gauge is more generous than the NSW one, and should permit
quite a
big DD car.
The earlier Sydney ones were very similar in layout to the ICF
long-distance
DD vehicles, with two entrance doors over the bogies, and a well section
in
the centre under the upper floor. Sydney provided two large vestibules
at
each end, with longitudinal seeats and a large floor area for standees.
Seating in the DD section was/is 2+3. The later generation moved the
bogies
nearer the end of the car so as to increase seating space in the DD
section,
adopted smaller wheels to increase headroom, and also adopted some
sophisticated electronic control equipment, etc., that's rather outside
this
discussion.
An Indian version could copy the large end vestibules, and probably
(even if width had to be reduced, which may not be necessary) could
support
3+3 seating in the DD section.
Sydney has both short and long runs, hence the mixture of seating
types. The DD programme was a response to overcrowding, and was seen as
an
alternative to expensive investment in additional line capacity: in
short, a
very similar predicament to Bombay's.
Incidentally, NSW also has single- and double-deck interurban trains
serving the towns to the north, south and west of Sydney, over lines
electrified at 1500V DC. There are important similarities to the CR's
problems with Bore and Thull Ghats, since all three of the lines
mentioned
are heavily graded. Nonetheless, multiple-unit operation -- using
Westinghouse air brakes -- is quite successful.
Food for thought?
Cheers from
Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: Vivek Prakash <vivekp@ihug.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, 8 September 1998 11:52
Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?


>
>
>Vivek Prakash wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I've always wondered why IR cant have double decker EMU's in service
in
>> the mumbai sector since overcrowding is such a problem... they are in
>> operation in a number of other places in the world - sydney, chicago,
>> etc.. why not mumbai?
>
>The Mumbai EMU's compensate by being the widest rail vehicles in the
world
>at 12 feet. I think the Sydney, Chicago etc are push pull trains and
not
>EMUs. But correct me if I am wrong
>
>Apurva
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Vivek
>
>
>
>

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: double decker coaches.

Date: 08 Sep 1998 18:53:18 -0500




> Till not so,long ago, the Saurashtra Mail used to have a single double
> deck coach attatched to it and so did the Gujarat Express!

Till a few years back even Gujarat Mail used to have one and so did
Deccan
Queen. But then they were on experimental basis.

Viraf.

From: Vivek Prakash <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 22:06:07 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> The Mumbai EMU's compensate by being the widest rail vehicles in the
world
> at 12 feet. I think the Sydney, Chicago etc are push pull trains and
not
> EMUs. But correct me if I am wrong
>
> Apurva
>

Apurva, if memory serves me correctly Chicago has both Push-pull and
EMU's. I
don't know if this has changed recently -- perhaps some of our American
friends may want to confirm? Also Chicago makes use of "Gallery" cars as
opposed to proper double deckers.

I'm also pretty certain that CityRail in Sydney makes very little use of
push-pull types. On my last visit to Australia (last year), 95% of
suburban
trains were double-deckers, with more than enough room for standees as
well as
ample seating. In fact I was told last year by staff at Sydney's
Central
station that a new generation of double deckers was in the works as it
has
proved extremely successful in reducing overcrowding. These are genuine
double
deckers as opposed to the gallery type used in Chicago.

Regards
Vivek

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: About 13th. (fwd)

Date: 08 Sep 1998 22:32:42 -0500


On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:

>
>
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> ==========================
>
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> From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
> To: "VIRAF P.. MULLA" <sncf@godrejnet.email
> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:18:31 +0530
> Subject: Re: About 13th.
>
> Hi Viraf,
>
> 13th is fixed. I am definitely coming, so will Dinyar, I will talk to
Jayant
> (from Telco) if he would come. Tell me your schedule - what time would
you
> arrive at KJT and we would fix ours. One trains convenient for us to
go back
> is the 1617 Karjat Pune Shuttle which leaves KJT at around 1500 Hrs,
so keep
> that in mind. Or the 1009 Sinhagad is fine too.
>
> Apu
>
> VIRAL P.. MULLA wrote:
>
> > Hi Appu, Good Morning,
> >
> > Are we meeting this Sunday at Karjat?
> >
> > If we are do let me the time so that we can plan from here. Who else
will
> > be joining us from Pune?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > ==========================
> > Viraf Mulla
> > C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> > Borivali (West)
> > Mumbai 400103
> > Tel: +91-22-8954510
> > E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
> > ==========================
>
>
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237


Hi Appu,
The meeting for 13th is fixed and we will be arriving from Mumbai by the
Deccan Express which arrives at Karjat at 9.00 am approximately. Viraf
and myself would like to be in Mumbai by 2.00 p.m. as we have some other
work here. for those coming from Poona you all can catch 1010 up
Singhad
express which departs Poona at 6.05 am. Please confirm via return mail.



Poras.

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Double Decker suburban trains?

Date: 08 Sep 1998 22:45:45 -0500




Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

> Prakash Tendulkar wrote:
> >
> > Apurva is right. Chicago is push - pull train, so is the CalTrain
> > in San Francisco. They all have, and so does Portage - Whittier
> > shuttle, double deck coaches. I cannot say about Chicago train but
> > CalTrain and Alaska Rail Road double deck coaches have two isles
> > on upper deck with one seat each and open space in-between. This
> > allows passengers on lower deck to stand when all seats are
occupied.
>
> Such cars are called "Gallery Cars" as opposed to "Double Deckers"
which
> have two complete floors, like in the Amtrak Superliners or in the
Paris
> RER and Banlieu trains, to name a few.
>

CalTrain uses Gallery Cars. They put out a little newsletter for riders,
and
once there was the question, "Why not use full double decker cars like
Amtrak". The answer they gave was that
this would mean the conductor (TTE in India) couldn't collect as easily.
Having watched how
quickly they work, I believe it.

One problem has been noted with the control cabs on CalTrain. CalTrain
runs
through city it's whole course, and there is a suicide on the tracks
every
month or two.
The driver has a very clear view, so hitting one of these poor souls is
particularly traumatic for the drivers in the control cabs. This has
actually become a point of some concern for the RR.

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