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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: My Meter Guage webpage

Date: 10 Jun 1998 09:27:00 -0500


Hello fellow railfans !

Have a look at my new MG homepage. It will be upgraded very soon with
more pictures (and better grammer ?). Your comments are what I desire
most.

Catch the site at: <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/MG.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/MG.htm</A>

Apurva Bahadur

From: Auroprem Kandaswami <kandaswa@apple.email

Subject: Three trains renamed

Date: 09 Jun 1998 11:57:00 -0500


Courtesy: The Hindu

NEW DELHI, June 9.

The Railways had decided to rename three important trains by
adding names of those States or Union Territories, whose names
do not figure in the map of the railways.

Announcing the new names while replying to the discussion on the
Railway Budget in the Lok Sabha, the Railway Minister, Mr.
Nitish Kumar, said three train names had been changed keeping
the sentiments of the people in mind.

He said the Hazrat Nizamuddin-Cochin Mangala Express had been
renamed as Mangala Lakshadweep Express; the New Delhi- New
Jalpaiguri Mahananda Express would be called Mahananda Sikkim
Express. Likewise, the Jammu Tawi-Chennai Express had been
renamed as Andaman Express.

From: GlynThomas <GlynThomas@aol.email

Subject: Web Site

Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:08:00 -0500


Hi all,
I have recently added some new links to my web site:

1) Rather poor photos of my own HOm models of Indian locos (YP and YDM4).
BTW, when I built the YDM4, I took a lot of dimensions from an Australian SG
Alco, since these seem almost identical (and much smaller than Aussie SG
loading gauge).

2) Some scans of Indian steam in 1982. I may add to this as I get the chance.

3) A diagram and notes on the Kalka-Simla K class 2-6-2Ts. (Paul if you want
to copy the diagram for your site, go ahead).

It's at <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/glynthomas/irail.html">http://members.aol.com/glynthomas/irail.html</A>

Glyn

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: My Meter Guage webpage

Date: 10 Jun 1998 18:18:00 -0500


> Have a look at my new MG homepage.

These photos are just TOO scrumptious.
The YP should be immortalised as one of the
most beautifully-proportioned locomotives
ever made anywhere.

--
Jayant S : ID Studio
Tata Technologies India Limited
Telco Premises : Pimpri TEL: 91 (212) 774261 ex 2534
PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA FAX: 91 (212) 773191

From: Shrinivas Bhatwadekar <shrinivas@rocketmail.email

Subject: Re: LOCO SPECIAL

Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:06:00 -0500


---"poras p.saklatwalla " <pps@godrejnet.email wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,

> I believe there used to be a
> Rajdhani type AC express earlier and then on some days it used to be
> Paschim Express. Probably my senior colleagues will definetely give
me some info on all this .
>
> Bye,
>
>
> PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
> TEL :5773535/3636
> EXT :4226/4232/4237
>
>

Hello Poras,

Paschim Express was AC( Air-conditioned ) express ( 25 dn/ 26 up )in
pre-Rajdhani days.It had almost all coaches air-conditioned.
(except I one ordinary second-class ( then called third-class) coach.)

The train did not operate daily.I think it operated bi or
tri-weekly.Out of these days,once in a week the train used to run only
upto New Delhi and on remaining days it used to go upto
Amritsar.Subsequently when passengers increased and also for economic
reasons, WR started operating another train on the same timings on
rest of the week days, but with more second class coaches.They named
this train as Paschim Exp. & it had the same train number.The Paschim
Exp. also used to terminate at New Delhi once a week & on rest of the
days it used to go upto Amritsar.
The WR timetable in those days used to mention AC/Pascim Exp. for the
25 Dn/26 Up train.The AC Exp/Paschim used to have the same brilliant
red/white painted coaches that Rajdhani has.The AC Exp lost its charm
and glory after Rajdhani was introduced.Subsequently the railways
removed most of the AC coaches and named the train as Paschim Exp.

Incidentally there used to be many AC expresses in pre-Rajdhani era.
There used to be one between Howrah and Amritsar and also one between
Madras and New Delhi.( & possibly, Madras - Howrah )

Similar to the N.Delhi-Bomaby AC exp, the Howrah-N.Delhi AC exp also
used to go upto Amritsar on certain weekdays.So between Amritsar & N.
Delhi one had AC exp. services 3 to 4 times a week.I don't know
whether the same train is now 'Poorva' Exp.

In 1970, WR also introduced an AC exp. between Ahmedabad and Bombay
Central.They operated it for 8-10 months and then removed it from
service as it was uneconomical to operate the train.

Sometime in 1973-75, the Railways started naming fast trains after
'directions'.That's when they introduced the name Paschim
Exp.Similarly a train introduced that time between N.Delhi & Hydrabad
was named Dakshin Exp.(which is also known as Southern Exp).Both,
Paschim and Dakshin used to be prestigeous trains and were beautifully
coloured.I think Dakshin Exp. had Yellow/Green color combination and
Paschim had
the Rajdhani colour scheme.But with passage of time,both trains have
lost their glory and both have standard red coloured coaches.

I don't recollect any train which is named 'Uttar' exp.
Please provide me further info. if anyone knows such a train.

-- Shrinivas

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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrejnet.email

Subject: Re: LOCO SPECIAL

Date: 11 Jun 1998 00:49:00 -0500


Hi Porus,

You are right, till the late sixties there indeed used to be a train to
Delhi in Rajdhani Livery called "DELUX". It was once a week train to Delhi
leaving Bombay Central on Sunday afternoons. It was a short train
comprising mostly of A/C first and Chair cars and a third class. It didn't
have any second class. The Delux was hauled by WP class Steam locomotive.
>From Bombay Central it's first halt was at Dhanu (for having it's tank
filled) then Bulsar(Valsad), Surat and Baroda(Vadodara) then onwards I
don't recollect. It was a VIP train in those days by which our ministers
and the elite would travel and hence the train often got delayed. Air
travel was in it's infancy.

Later a new train was introduced to Amritsar on the same timings but with
more third class coaches. Initially it was called "The Western Express"
which got changed to "Paschim Express".It too was in the similar Rajdhani
livery.

Can't remember when but then these two trains started running on alternate
days and later Delux was removed from it's services. Nowadays Paschin
Express is a daily train.

Want any more info?

Regards
Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrejnet.email
==========================

From: S Pai <

Subject: Re: Three trains renamed

Date: 10 Jun 1998 10:40:00 -0500


This really sounds like an item from "News of the Weird" or "Ripley's
Believe It Or Not".

> The Railways had decided to rename three important trains by
> adding names of those States or Union Territories, whose names
> do not figure in the map of the railways.

I can't even begin to conceive what the purpose of adding the names of
states that do *not* figure on the IR map is supposed to be!

-Satish

From: T.H.Sanyal. <THS1@PSUVM.EMAIL

Subject: Re: platforms

Date: 10 Jun 1998 11:30:00 -0500


Apurva bahadur wrote:
>VIRAL DESAI wrote:
>> Does anyone know which station in India has got the maximum
>> number of platforms!
>>

>I think it must be Howrah (HWH) with two separate buildings for old and new
>platforms.

The older part of Howrah Station has 16 platforms, though only 14 seem
to be in general use. During my latest trip to India I went over to
the so called New Complex at Howrah. This side has 4 platforms numbered
18 to 21 (what happened to no. 17?). It handles the long distance trains
of SER. I think Delhi Junction used to have a large number of platforms.
Has that reduced due to demise of MG at that station?
The older part of Madras Central used to have 11 platforms. But I hear
there is a new building there too. New Delhi isn't too big by the
number of platforms, I believe. Bombay VT used to have 13, but perhaps
this number is now reduced (because of the work to convert all tracks
in suburban side to double discharge?).
Another metric in comparing stations would be the number of trains
handled. I believe Bombay VT would beat any other station in India
hands down on that score. I am making up a skeleton of a table here.
Please help filling it in, and then it may appear in our FAQ.

Station Platforms Trains (Pass)

Howrah 21 (18?) 400+?
Sealdah (Calcutta) 14 450+?
Bombay VT 13? 1000+?
Churchgate (Bombay) 4 800+?
Delhi Jn ? ?
New Delhi ? ?
Madras Central ? ?
Madras Beach ? ?

It would be also interesting to have info about other stations around
the world.

ths.

From: T.H.Sanyal. <THS1@PSUVM.EMAIL

Subject: Re: Three trains renamed

Date: 10 Jun 1998 11:42:00 -0500


> Announcing the new names while replying to the discussion on the
> Railway Budget in the Lok Sabha, the Railway Minister, Mr.
> Nitish Kumar, said three train names had been changed keeping
> the sentiments of the people in mind.

"Dear Fellow Citizens: We in the Ministry may not
cater to your needs, but we will make sure that we cater to all your
sentiments."

Mr Nitish Kumar has learnt his Orwell pretty good, it seems.

ths.

From: S Pai <

Subject: Re: platforms

Date: 10 Jun 1998 12:54:00 -0500


> It would be also interesting to have info about other stations around
> the world.

I believe Grand Central Terminal in New York City has upwards of 40
operational platforms on two levels. (It had 48 in the glory days of
American long-distance trains.) Today it serves only commuter trains, but
earlier in this century it served more than 600 long-distance passenger
trains a day.

The number of platforms becomes a fuzzy concept once you start counting
adjacent or co-located subway or transit tracks. In many cases
long-distance stations and transit stations are close by or in the same
building. The transit complex at Grand Central has numerous subway
platforms within it in addition to the 40+ that serve commuter trains.

-Satish

From: Shriram Revankar <revankar@wrc.email

Subject: Re: Three trains renamed

Date: 10 Jun 1998 07:57:00 -0500


I personally thought it was a great idea, especially if you are politically
inclined. All the regions such as Sikkim, Lakshdweep, Andaman, etc. have
little or no exposure within India and the people in those area have not
had many reasons to feel like being part of India. Other than central
government employees, not many people visit or migrate there. Given all
this I thought it was a very nice and appropriate gesture.

-Shriram

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Re: platforms

Date: 11 Jun 1998 17:37:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

One sure place to get all the regional timetables (except Central and
Northern)
is the AH Wheeler stall in the old building on Howrah. So invariably a
trip has
to be made to the old building from the new buliding (where all the
Mumbai/Pune
trains terminate). It is possible to walk through the tracks rather than
right
outside and there are a number of railway line between the two station
buidings
as well, although not platforms. I was fascinated by the sheer size of
Howrah
station. The tracks in between the two bulidings stabled 'non passenger
yet not
harcore freight' loads such as motor vans and parcel vans etc. In front
of this space btween the buildings is the 'rail yatri niwas' - a hostel,
a facility that every station should have.
I believe there are new platforms are being contructed on the Wadi
Bunder side of VT
(CSTM). Mumbai gang please confirm. Today there are 13 main platforms in
CSTM.

Apurva Bahadur

T.H.Sanyal. wrote:

The older part of Howrah Station has 16 platforms, though only 14 seem

> to be in general use. During my latest trip to India I went over to
> the so called New Complex at Howrah. This side has 4 platforms numbered
> 18 to 21 (what happened to no. 17?). It handles the long distance trains
> of SER. I think Delhi Junction used to have a large number of platforms.
> Has that reduced due to demise of MG at that station?
> The older part of Madras Central used to have 11 platforms. But I hear
> there is a new building there too. New Delhi isn't too big by the
> number of platforms, I believe. Bombay VT used to have 13, but perhaps
> this number is now reduced (because of the work to convert all tracks
> in suburban side to double discharge?).
> Another metric in comparing stations would be the number of trains
> handled. I believe Bombay VT would beat any other station in India
> hands down on that score. I am making up a skeleton of a table here.
> Please help filling it in, and then it may appear in our FAQ.
>
> Station Platforms Trains (Pass)
>
> Howrah 21 (18?) 400+?
> Sealdah (Calcutta) 14 450+?
> Bombay VT 13? 1000+?
> Churchgate (Bombay) 4 800+?
> Delhi Jn ? ?
> New Delhi ? ?
> Madras Central ? ?
> Madras Beach ? ?
>
> It would be also interesting to have info about other stations around
> the world.
>
> ths.

From: Shrinivas Bhatwadekar <shrinivas@rocketmail.email

Subject: Re: Three trains renamed

Date: 10 Jun 1998 17:48:00 -0500


---"T.H.Sanyal." <THS1@PSUVM.email wrote:
>
> > Announcing the new names while replying to the discussion on the
> > Railway Budget in the Lok Sabha, the Railway Minister, Mr.
> > Nitish Kumar, said three train names had been changed keeping
> > the sentiments of the people in mind.
>
> "Dear Fellow Citizens: We in the Ministry may not
> cater to your needs, but we will make sure that we cater to all your
> sentiments."
>
> Mr Nitish Kumar has learnt his Orwell pretty good, it seems.
>
> ths.
>

You said it.

- sbb

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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: WDM2 webpage

Date: 11 Jun 1998 21:23:00 -0500


Dear Gang,

Go through my NEW website of WDM2 near Pune.
Go to: <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/WDM2pix.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/WDM2pix.htm</A>
Any shoot me your comments.

Apurva Bahadur

From: S Pai <

Subject: Re: platforms

Date: 11 Jun 1998 11:07:00 -0500



Craig Zeni asked me to forward this to the list.

-Satish



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From: "C.L.Zeni" <clzeni@mindspring.email
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:28:33 -0400
Subject: Re: platforms

S Pai wrote:
>
> > It would be also interesting to have info about other stations around
> > the world.
>
> I believe Grand Central Terminal in New York City has upwards of 40
> operational platforms on two levels. (It had 48 in the glory days of
> American long-distance trains.) Today it serves only commuter trains, but
> earlier in this century it served more than 600 long-distance passenger
> trains a day.

Allow me to add to Grand Central trivia here as I don't get to India any
more:
- Two levels of track, upper originally for long distance trains, lower
for suburban, comprising 33 miles of track (55 km);
- NONE of which are visible from the street as all are 100% underground,
in an excavation that required 3,000,000 cubic yards or earth and rock
to be removed;
- Headhouse is at 42nd Street, terminal yards extend north to 50th St.,
some 2000 feet(609 metres), the upper and lower levels merge together to
form a four track main line that emerges from undergound at 96th St.;
- Terminal complex has 50 platforms, independent of the New York City
Subway/Underground;
- In 1946, at its apex, over 63,000,000 passengers used GCT. 550 trains
used the terminal daily. Certainly not the world's busiest station and
built to accomodate project passenger traffic of 100,000,000 that never
materialized.
- The Terminal is currently being restored to its 1913 Beaux Arts
splendor - any of you who get to New York simply must see GCT as it is a
jewel.

> The number of platforms becomes a fuzzy concept once you start counting
> adjacent or co-located subway or transit tracks. In many cases
> long-distance stations and transit stations are close by or in the same
> building. The transit complex at Grand Central has numerous subway
> platforms within it in addition to the 40+ that serve commuter trains.

The NY Subway has two lines cross at Grand Central that are 100%
separate from the Terminal trackage - these two lines add 6 more
platforms, by the way.
--
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<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>

BLADDER CONTROL - Could you hold please?

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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Webpage of action at Daund

Date: 12 Jun 1998 10:05:00 -0500


Am I making webpages too fast ?

Another one - Karnatak Express at Daund.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm</A>
Atleast send me a email with a 'huh' in it, so I know I am not talking
to a blank wall.

Apurva Bahadur

From: Prakash Tendulkar <prakash@us.email

Subject: Re: Webpage of action at Daund

Date: 11 Jun 1998 16:22:00 -0500


Apurva,

No, you are not talking to a blank wall. I am amazed at the
marvelous pictures that you have posted so far and I am sure,
I am not alone. Please keep it up.

Prakash

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iti@giaspn01.email on 06/11/98 12:10:43 PM
Please respond to iti@giaspn01.email
To: able@ricochet.email irfca@cs.email
cc:
Subject: Webpage of action at Daund


Am I making webpages too fast ?

Another one - Karnatak Express at Daund.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm</A>
Atleast send me a email with a 'huh' in it, so I know I am not talking
to a blank wall.

Apurva Bahadur

From: GlynThomas <GlynThomas@aol.email

Subject: Web pages

Date: 11 Jun 1998 17:00:00 -0500


Apurva,
I found your Web pages very interesting. The countless details of the railway
surroundings are as evocative as the locomotives themselves. I found your
detailed comments very informative.

One plee I'd make is can you provide an index page with hyperlinks to the
individual pages, so that we don't have to trawl through old IRFCA notes to
find what you've posted. I'd also like to see dates for the photographs (at
least the year): it's important if they're used as reference for modelling
etc. (so that we can work out what variations were applied to what
locomotives, when).

Glyn

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Alco Addict

Date: 13 Jun 1998 03:57:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Hi Brad,
>
> Its just come in the mail. The picture of the 4461 is just GREAT ! Are
> there any back issued I could have ?
> Please go through my new WDM2 webpage at
>
> and let me have your comments.
>
> Apurva Bahadur

Dear Apurva,
I have very much enjoyed all your interesting web pages.
Another comment was made today about linking them together with a title
page. I think this would be a great idea so people could easily get
around the site all the time. Please keep the pages coming!!!
I cannot actually give proper back copies as all computer work is
wiped out after each issue. I can however do you photocopies of these
issues for you from my own personal copies which should be virtually
just as good. There has been three other issues of Alco Addict and I
will send these in future letters if you wish this.
Thanks also for putting up a request for info on you WDM1. I really
hope that any list member will be able to help both Phil and myself with
these locomotives.
Best Wishes
Brad Peadon

From: Shrinivas Bhatwadekar <shrinivas@rocketmail.email

Subject: Re: Webpage of action at Daund

Date: 11 Jun 1998 18:12:00 -0500


> Am I making webpages too fast ?
>
> Another one - Karnatak Express at Daund.
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/Diesels_at_Daund.htm</A>
> Atleast send me a email with a 'huh' in it, so I know I am not talking
> to a blank wall.
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
>

No, you are definitely not talking to blank wall.
Excellent pictures !!
Interesting to see chqange in colour of WDM2s of Karnataka Exp.
Earlier it used to be the same Red color used for Rajdhani WDM2s.

-- Shrinivas Bhatwadekar

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