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From: Siddhartha Joshi <siddha@cyberspace.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 07 Jun 1998 10:10:00 -0500


Apurva,

> WDS 6 heavy shunter homing at Pune. The Indian locos are built quite
> crudely. And they are maintained in the same crude standard. I am not in
> the least deriding the Indian system. But the Indian locos all lack a
> factory finished look about them.

Incorrect. The WCAM series are beautifully built ( esp the 2 and 3 ) as
are the new WAP1e( the earleir batch of WAP1e's were rater tacky, but just
check the new ones out ) and WAP4's as you will see soon on our site.
Ditto for WDM2's. The locos that do look poorly are the WCM series but you
have to renmember that 4 of the series were not built here( and they WERE
built very long back, and have been heavily used ) and the WCM5, which
was, is one of the nicest looking locos on our tracks.

Don,

> > It looks as if they keep them in excellent
> > shape. Don in WV

Yes, the sheds do take great pride in maintaining their locos and keeping
them looking good. I believe that this is a tradition that has survived
from the days when steam prevailed on our tracks. In particular the
Rajdhani WDM2a's ( which you can find on our site at "
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~railinindia/index.htm</A> " )

which were shedded at Ratlam and outstationed at Bandra ( BAMY )
illustrate this perfectly. Ditto for the Shatabdi WDM2a's and WAP4's.

Even on the lesser lines, the YDM's and surviving YP's are kept looking
great.

Siddhartha.

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: My webpage

Date: 08 Jun 1998 09:24:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

I have put up the Karad departure photos up on the webpage:

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/7384Dn.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/7384Dn.htm</A>


There are some additional notes as well. Give me a feedback and
suggestion. This is my first attempt at webpages and any guidance is
most welcome.

Apurva Bahadur

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Alco

Date: 09 Jun 1998 01:53:00 -0500


Hi gang,
Previously I was asked by Apurva to talk a little on the
locomotives in this part of the world.
For most Alco information you are directed to my website
Alcos International
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html">http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html</A>

One unit which will look familiar to all railfans in India is the
World Series DL500 (picture attached). These units were first introduced
in 1957 and 100 such units were built over the years. They were used all
over New South Wales and on all types of service from express passenger
runs to slow coal drags and pick up freights. They were truely a
versatile unit and saw extensive use until the last were withdrawn and
sold in 1994.Although most were scrapped quite a few were held for
preservation while the railways witheld 5 units for their own purposes.
Off these 5 held units one has been restored (class leader 4401) and
sees occasional special use. At one stage a shortage of locomotives saw
her return to regular operations for nearly two weeks running usually
with another Alco of the 442 class.
The model was also represented on the South Australian railways with
the 37 strong 930 class. One of this class still sees occasional use
when the new owners "Australia Southern" are short on power. The unit
961 is now the last one in regular service and it is amazing how she has
survived.
For updates on the Aussie Alco scene or where the DL500s are preserved
check out the site.
Best Wishes
Brad Peadon
P.S- I would be very interested in hearing from any member of this group
who may have shots or information on the World Series in India or indeed
the ones in Spain, Peru, Argentina and Greece.

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Alco

Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:25:00 -0500


Doug Cummings wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email
> To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
> Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Aussie Alco
>
> Hi gang,
> Previously I was asked by Apurva to talk a little on
> the
> locomotives in this part of the world.
> For most Alco information you are directed to my website
> Alcos International
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html">http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html</A>
>
> One unit which will look familiar to all railfans in India
> is the
> World Series DL500 (picture attached). These units were
> first introduced
> in 1957 and 100 such units were built over the years. They
> were used all
> over New South Wales and on all types of service from
> express passenger
> runs to slow coal drags and pick up freights. They were
> truely a
> versatile unit and saw extensive use until the last were
> withdrawn and
> sold in 1994.Although most were scrapped quite a few were
> held for
> preservation while the railways witheld 5 units for their
> own purposes.
> Off these 5 held units one has been restored (class leader
> 4401) and
> sees occasional special use. At one stage a shortage of
> locomotives saw
> her return to regular operations for nearly two weeks
> running usually
> with another Alco of the 442 class.
> The model was also represented on the South Australian
> railways with
> the 37 strong 930 class. One of this class still sees
> occasional use
> when the new owners "Australia Southern" are short on power.
> The unit
> 961 is now the last one in regular service and it is amazing
> how she has
> survived.
> For updates on the Aussie Alco scene or where the DL500s
> are preserved
> check out the site.
> Best Wishes
> Brad Peadon
> P.S- I would be very interested in hearing from any member
> of this group
> who may have shots or information on the World Series in
> India or indeed
> the ones in Spain, Peru, Argentina and Greece.
>
>
>
> At last report one SeK unit was still working, some were
> working in Argentina in the mid-90's and then they got some
> from Spain, the Peru ones are long gone.
Doug,
Thanks for this.I had suspicions that the Peru ones were no longer
with us and I dont suppose one has been preserved. The Argentina one I
am still waiting for confirmation on, a friend recently travelled there
for a few weeks but did not see any.
A302- I wonder how much longer she can soldier on for?????
Best Wishes
Brad Peadon

From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email

Subject: Re: Our Picture

Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:56:00 -0500


The Reading Railroad Museum in Schuylkill County, PA has a whole section on
RS3 Alco engines. You might try the Rail Net cite in the Internet. I do
not have access to send pictures. this society has quite a lot of RR
equipment, artifacts and archives. Also you might look on the Internet for
Lehigh Valley Chapter of the National Railroad Historical Society. The
Reading RR was very famous for its use of Alco engines. the problem here is
all the locos look too factory oriented. No individualism is allowed.
The Harrisburg Chapter of NRHS has a WEB Page at
ccpl.carr.lib.md.us/~dwhite/index.htm. They may be able to give you
additional information. Pottstown & Reading
<A HREF="http://home.ptd.net/~rwhite2/nrhs./nrhs.htm">http://home.ptd.net/~rwhite2/nrhs./nrhs.htm</A> this may be your best bet. If
you could send a photo and tell them what you are looking for they would be
happy to oblige. Don In WV

----------
> From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
> To: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email
> Cc: IRIZ <irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Our Picture
> Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 3:40 AM
>
> Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:
>
> > Apurva- Just a note to say Thanks for the Photos. I noticed on the
WMD-2
> > that the type is large and very noticable from a great distance. Over
here
> > you have to wait until the engine is passing then look under the
engineers
> > window before seeing the engine type. Only then it has to be going at
a
> > slower speed. Most railfans of time know the engines, but the novice
> > railfans like myself do not. The front of the WMD2 looks simular to
the
> > RS3 that our RR club has.
>
> Hi Donald !
> Guide us to a pic of the RS3. In India there are not many types of
> locos, atleast on the Pune - Miraj - Kolhapur line you would find only
> the WDM2 (in various colours and homing to many different sheds), and
> WDS 6 heavy shunter homing at Pune. The Indian locos are built quite
> crudely. And they are maintained in the same crude standard. I am not in
> the least deriding the Indian system. But the Indian locos all lack a
> factory finished look about them.
>
> Apurva Bahadur
>
> > It looks as if they keep them in excellent
> > shape. Don in WV
>

From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Alco

Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:58:00 -0500


goodwin- Looks like an E Unit here in the states. don in WV.

----------
> From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Aussie Alco
> Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:53 PM
>
Hi gang,
Previously I was asked by Apurva to talk a little on the
locomotives in this part of the world.
For most Alco information you are directed to my website
Alcos International
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html">http://members.tripod.com/~alcos/index.html</A>

One unit which will look familiar to all railfans in India is the
World Series DL500 (picture attached). These units were first introduced
in 1957 and 100 such units were built over the years. They were used all
over New South Wales and on all types of service from express passenger
runs to slow coal drags and pick up freights. They were truely a
versatile unit and saw extensive use until the last were withdrawn and
sold in 1994.Although most were scrapped quite a few were held for
preservation while the railways witheld 5 units for their own purposes.
Off these 5 held units one has been restored (class leader 4401) and
sees occasional special use. At one stage a shortage of locomotives saw
her return to regular operations for nearly two weeks running usually
with another Alco of the 442 class.
The model was also represented on the South Australian railways with
the 37 strong 930 class. One of this class still sees occasional use
when the new owners "Australia Southern" are short on power. The unit
961 is now the last one in regular service and it is amazing how she has
survived.
For updates on the Aussie Alco scene or where the DL500s are preserved
check out the site.
Best Wishes
Brad Peadon
P.S- I would be very interested in hearing from any member of this group
who may have shots or information on the World Series in India or indeed
the ones in Spain, Peru, Argentina and Greece.

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Alco

Date: 08 Jun 1998 18:32:00 -0500


Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:
> goodwin- Looks like an E Unit here in the states. don in WV.

Strangely, quite true. The Alco PA units in the US looked
very different from the DL500s, with a much longer nose.

Were PA/FA types exported too at any time ?

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From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Big Email

Date: 09 Jun 1998 01:16:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

With reference to Heinrich Hubbert's latest email I feel we should
refrain from sending large emails with pictures. A lot of members may
have slower modems or have text only email connections.
I need all of your opinions on this matter. What do the 'elders' of this
mailing list feel ?
Or you could help to define the limit to the size of a mail, so small
pictures can be sent when spontaneity urges or to highlight a point of
the mail.

Waiting for your response

Apurva Bahadur

From: Philip Wormald <PWormald@compuserve.email

Subject: WDM1 ALCO's

Date: 08 Jun 1998 11:03:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur,
>>Gonda is at the other end of the country not easy for me to get to.
Please list the specific info you are looking for of the WDM1 and put it
up on the IRFCA and let us see what comes of it. Even Brad Peadon has
been after WDM1s at Gonda. For a start I will make a list of members who
are nearer to Gonda than I am. I live in Pune (Poona) which is 193 KM
South East of Mumbai (Bombay).
If there is anything I can do for you in these two cities - just ask!<<

Both Brad and I are trying to find out the current situation on
the WDM1's, getting info from the WDM1's is impossible!!

If anyone sees this who knows anything about the current position
on the WDM1 class please tell us via the list.
There were 100 built, are all still in use, are they at Gonda, if
so what do they do, where do they work to? Are they on Express's
still?

Thanks

Phil Wormald
PWormald@compuserve.email

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: One more webpage

Date: 09 Jun 1998 06:09:00 -0500


Hi Gang !

Please visit my new webpage
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/PA-MRJ.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/PA-MRJ.htm</A>
which shows some of the action on the Pune Miraj route.

Feeback is the food that a newbie webpage writer pines for !

Apurva Bahadur

From: Philippe Quiot (TOG Devt. SA) <tog-sa@he.email

Subject: Re: Big Email

Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:56:00 -0500


Hello,

Looks like a "right" (or best) way to do this is...
+- first send the picture to some WEB site,
+- then send a mail with the URL allowing quick download
of the picture by those who want to (and can)

Most "modern" mail software allows clicking on URL to go there
(and possibly get the picture if configured so)

Of course you need a WEB site to do so...

WEB space is free now at
geocities (well known)
also... <A HREF="http://www.fortunecity.com">http://www.fortunecity.com</A> (english UK --- 10Mb)
<A HREF="http://www.mygale.org">http://www.mygale.org</A> (french --- 10Mb)
and probably 100's of others...

And... if you only have text e-mail and no way to
view a picture, well ...
you have a problem with pictures at all !
but you still may ask the guy who offers the picture
to send it to you for off-line viewing...

BTW ... here are 2 pictures from magazine "Dampf und Reise"
do not know precisely yet who the photographer is,
will try to contact him anyway via the magazine ... ?!?!?!

1) A row of Garatts in ex-Burma waiting for scrap or
preservation by some mad european freaks... (1994)
<A HREF="http://www.bahnhofplatz.com/p/garrat_myanmar_730.jpg">http://www.bahnhofplatz.com/p/garrat_myanmar_730.jpg</A>

2) 2 Y units (1994)
<A HREF="http://www.bahnhofplatz.com/p/2y_myanmar_732.jpg">http://www.bahnhofplatz.com/p/2y_myanmar_732.jpg</A>


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Hi Gang !
>
> With reference to Heinrich Hubbert's latest email I feel we should
> refrain from sending large emails with pictures. A lot of members may
> have slower modems or have text only email connections.
> I need all of your opinions on this matter. What do the 'elders' of this
> mailing list feel ?
> Or you could help to define the limit to the size of a mail, so small
> pictures can be sent when spontaneity urges or to highlight a point of
> the mail.
>
> Waiting for your response
>
> Apurva Bahadur

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From: Auroprem Kandaswami <kandaswa@apple.email

Subject: Train bogie plunges into river, sabotage suspected

Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:37:00 -0500


GUWAHATI, June 8 (DHNS)

Suspected sabotage by Bodo militants is thought to have caused the
derailment of a commuter train in lower Assam early on Monday, killing
two passengers and injuring 22.

The 719 UP Sifung passenger running between Faikragram and Guwahati went
off the rails at 6:15 am at the Tarang bridge over the Gaurang river
between Salakati in Bongaigaon district and Kokrajhar, North East
Frontier Railway officials said here.

One bogie of the train fell into the river and seven others derailed, of
which only two got capsized, the officials said.

Two passengers were killed on the spot and 22 injured, four of them
seriously who have been admitted to the Gauhati Medical College Hospital.
Four others were being treated in the Bongaigaon Civil Hospital.

Sabotage is suspected as five pairs of fishplates were found missing at
the spot where the train went off the tracks. Bodo militants have been
targeting rail and road links in lower and north Assam since June 2. Rail
links between the north-eastern region and the rest of the country were
restored only on June 4 after a 48- hour disruption following a bomb
blast on a rail bridge on June 2.

With Monday`s derailment, train services on the broad-gauge section
between the north-eastern region and the rest of the country has once
more been cut off. They are expected to be restored on Tuesday, NF
Railways officials said. Metre gauge services between Assam and Bengal
continue.

Rail services to the Barak valley of southern Assam have also been
disrupted by landslides in the Lumding hill section, and to north- east
Assam by floods in Dhemaji district. The only railway sector open to
traffic is the Guwahati- Dibrugarh sector, oficials said.

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Aussie Alco

Date: 10 Jun 1998 01:32:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Hi Brad,
>
> The class 44 reminds me of a spoilt and pampered Bulldog, the same 'I
> don't care' looks. What is the column of smoke at the back ? Is it from
> a loco ? A diesel loco ?
>
> Have you seen my nascent website ?
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/7384Dn.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/7384Dn.htm</A>
> Please comment and suggest changes.
>
> I also need your opinion whether to send or not send large emails with
> pictures. Apparently some members have slower modems or text only email
> accounts.
>
> Apurva Bahadur

Apurva,
The smoke above the 44s was from 4486. Yes that is one of the
reasons I love Alco soooooooooo much. This is by no means the worst
smoke I have seen from an Aussie Alco though.
About large files. I have not been able to work out how to recieve
shots by email, just how to send them. So I cant see them anyway but if
it an interesting shot I definitly believe it is worth it.
Best Wishes
Brad Peadon
Alcos International
PS- Did the newsletter arrive yet?

From: GOODWIN ALCO <alco@planet.email

Subject: Re: Big Email

Date: 10 Jun 1998 01:34:00 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Hi Gang !
>
> With reference to Heinrich Hubbert's latest email I feel we should
> refrain from sending large emails with pictures. A lot of members may
> have slower modems or have text only email connections.
> I need all of your opinions on this matter. What do the 'elders' of this
> mailing list feel ?
> Or you could help to define the limit to the size of a mail, so small
> pictures can be sent when spontaneity urges or to highlight a point of
> the mail.
>
> Waiting for your response
>
> Apurva Bahadur

Perhaps do it for very major events. Not just for the sake of posting a
shot. Only on the odd occasion.
Brad Peadon
Alcos International

From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email

Subject: Collection of my webpages

Date: 09 Jun 1998 17:54:00 -0500


Hi Gang !,

Our fellow railnut Prakash Tendulkar has worked on my plain webpages and
spruced them up into things of beauty in their own right. Please go
through them. It is great ! Thanks Prakash, I really appreciate it.

The URL is <A HREF="http://www.jps.net/prakash/apurva/">http://www.jps.net/prakash/apurva/</A>

Apurva Bahadur

From: Anne O. <anniepoo@netmagic.email

Subject: Re: Big Email

Date: 08 Jun 1998 17:26:00 -0500


I'd suggest we not put images inline in email, but put them up on web
pages instead.

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: Apurba Bahadur's Home Page

Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:30:00 -0500


Hi:

Just went through your new homepage: Great Work !!
Are you putting up more in the future ?

More power to the WDM2s of India.

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From: Don Dickens <ddickens@e-z.email

Subject: And the weather at the NRMI is....

Date: 08 Jun 1998 18:30:00 -0500


The Patiala State Monorail Tramway site now has:
A continual update of the weather in New Delhi and at Patiala.
A second on-site observation.
A firedoor on the O&K engine's side porch.
<A HREF="http://www.e-z.net/~ddickens/monorail">http://www.e-z.net/~ddickens/monorail</A>

From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrejnet.email

Subject: LOCO SPECIAL

Date: 10 Jun 1998 00:35:00 -0500


Hi Gang,
A few years back when I was in college and then when I started my work at
Godrej, I used to see a shunting loco On which it was written SIR LESLIE
WILSON IN MUMBAI AT V.T. I always wondered what type of engine was this ?
Its wheels were similar to the steam and the piston used to move back and
forth. Almost all trains from Byculla yard to V.T. and vice versa were
hauled by these locos. I used to see the Deccan Queen because that was my
time of return, from office. I am sure the Pune gang or the Mumbai gang
must have seen this locos. These were Electric locos much similar to WCM 1
but had long hoods.
Please give me some info regarding these locos and can I see them at the
Rail Museum in Delhi ? Probably Shankar or Viraf can give me a brief
history of these locos.

Whilst we were discussing the various Superfasts on the Indian railways we
mentioned PrayagRaj and Paschim and various other trains but we completely
forgot Poorva Expressses via Gaya and Via Patna between Delhi and Howrah.
I think these are really the prestigious trains on the Indian Railways
superfast trains list. When I saw it in Calcutta it was the Gaya train
with the WAP 5 in the front. It also has a beautiful Livelry more like
the erstwhile Deccan Queen and has a few AC coaches including !st AC.
If Poorva express is such a beautiful colourful train then why isn't our
WR Paschim given a good look. ( 2925 Dn) I believe there used to be a
Rajdhani type AC express earlier and then on some days it used to be
Paschim Express. Probably my senior colleagues will definetely give me
some info on all this .

Bye,


PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: sank <sank@telco.email

Subject: [Fwd: LOCO SPECIAL

Date: 10 Jun 1998 01:40:00 -0500


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