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From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: WAM/WAP and WDM

Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:44:18 -0500


Dear Harsh

I too was surprised (and pleased) to see TKD powers at SBC.
So were the Shunting Drivers. One of them mentioned that
the Mtce. guys at KJM would love to get their hands on the
two MU'ed locos. of the Karnataka Exp.

Regards

S. Srinivas

=======================================


HVC wrote:

> Karnataka Exp. and Banglore Rajdhani on TKD powers! Very unlikely!!!
>
> The diesel change occurs at Itarsi and Secundrabad respectively.

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:44:27 -0500


Thanks a lot Dheeraj. I am all for it.
I hope that all our friends agree.

S. Srinivas

===============================


Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:

> If we can't find a public server which will have acceptable IPR
> policy, I can host the list at IIT Kanpur.
>

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: irfca is 10 years old

Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:45:45 -0500


Dear Gang

What a good thing that Dheeraj has to
announce his presence with some very
happy news. Arrival of "Surabhi".
My best wishes to you - Dheeraj.

Let me give all of you one more happy news.
Raymond was blessed with a daughter on
Wednesday November 03. I was in Madras
yesterday and met Raymond who was very
busy taking care of the new arrival.

This co-incidence makes one eager to see
if there is a similar news from Joydeep
who has been bracketed together with
Dheeraj and Raymond. So speak up
Joydeep.

Regards

S. Srinivas

====================================

Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:

> > P.S: Not many mails now-a-days from Dheeraj, Raymond, Joydeep. Busy
i guess
>
> I have been trying to read all the mails, but not able to respond.
> I am glad to announce the arrival of "Surabhi Sanghi" to this
> world on 30th September. The life has become extremely hectic
> after that.

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: WAM/WAP and WDM

Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:46:04 -0500


Yes Apurva.

We not only need fans from all regions
but we need fans who are able to keep in
touch with the local railway station, its staff
and keep our friends informed about what
is going on. One can gather a lot of info
by keenly observing the IR guys perform
their regular jobs.

I for one would love to hear from others
information about powers used in other
major stations, any major engineering
work being undertaken like track
doubling or re-laying etc., railway
electrification work in progress etc.

I am lucky that I live just five kms from
Bangalore City station, go past SBC
once in a day, I have to enter the station
at least once in three days either to see
off someone or to receive someone which
gives me a good opputunity to observe
things. I feel happy if I have to wait at the
station for some time due to the late arrival
of any incoming train which I have to meet.
This enables me to spend the time talking to
the IR guys. Foot plating is not really possible.
MAS / SBC / ED drivers are not at all friendly.

Regards

S. Srinivas

P.S. I think Rajan can represent both
Mumbai and Kerala. KR just happens
to join the two.

=============================

Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> That is really impressive. The problem here is not being aware rather
than a
> deliberate neglect of the ER and the NER. A part of the study of the
IR is
> largely based on actual observation rather than referring to some
documented
> information. The documents are not easily available in any case. So we
need
> railfans who can represent the region.
> The fact that a HWH shed power works the HWH- JAT or HWH - ASR route
can be told
> only by someone who has seen this, it would hardly be a common
folklore. Pune/
> Gooty/ Guntakal gets maximum mileage because Pune / Mumbai gang is
really loud
> on the IRFCA and we see these powers in our backyard so they are on
top of our
> minds.
> I have always lamented that we have a poor representation on the IRFCA
of the
> North, East and specially the NE region. This is something to do with
the poor
> regional spread of the internet. You could do something about
recruiting
> railfans from that area. I hope you remember this request to you like
I
> remember the thread about the first DLW made WDM 2 from the Andal
shed.
>
> I would like to see railfans from areas like UP (only Dheeraj), MP
(only
> Avinash), Rajastan (none ?), Punjab (none?) Kerala (none !) etc.
>
> Apurva

From: Shankar <>

Subject: HAPPY DIWALI

Date: 05 Nov 1999 12:14:59 -0500


Hello,
I have been a bit out of circulation of late, as I've been terribly
pre-occupied with the construction/expansion/adding to several of my
websies.
Hope to be back with you soon.

HERE IS WISHING YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS AND COLORFUL DIWALI.
(AS COLORFUL AS GOOD OLD IR, I HOPE!!)

I've struck some very intimate friendships here: Apurva, John Lacey,
Vijay, Harsh, to name a few, and am enjoying every second of my time
with the irfca.

Thanks you very much, God bless you all.

Cheers.

From: San-Ind <>

Subject: Rail Fan from Punjab !

Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:42:04 -0500


dear Apurva,
Hi !
I think i'm the only one from Punjab/Himachal Pradesh but now settled at
Delhi......
Nobody know that some part of Pathankot-Mukerian Section lies in
Himachal
Pradesh not in Punjab ....Himachal area starts from Rail over Road
BRidge
after Chakki Bank station, Kandrori(oldest Broad Gauge Railway Station
of
Himachal Pradesh) till Outskirts of Ghiala Halt Station...... and again
from BEas bridge after Mirthal station to next station i think Garna
Sahib........

I'm the one of that land, mix of Punjab & Himachal ... Actually my
village
is Between Kandrori & Chakki Bank station.... unfortunately we don't
have a
Railway Station ......
So I remember my old school days(1982-83).... When i always check all
the
trains going on .... I identify the trains with their Colours.... or
bogie
Composition .... Jammu mail was easiest..... 'coz it has always a Mail
Bogie of Red Colour (unfortunately now it's elemenated).... Jhelum
Express
by Two separate Bogies in front of train......(Pathankot-NDLS section
coaches)........... Sealdah Express with one coach at Front (Sealdah-PTK
Sec. coach)..... Himsagar Exp. with Blue-yellow bogies...... Usually i
visited to the Gateman of Level-crossing at our village to ask about the
tarin timings...... and at that time i was barely 9 years old.....
In our new Built house at that Place My father had Put a Specail window
on
West side of Our house wall for Just on our Demand of Watching the
trains....... I remmber i getup in morning afer Sealdah Express has pass
from there... My father say "Uttho Bete Sealdah Express Chali Gayi
hai"...... I never miss to watch that Jammu Mail at our Breakfast time
and
Jhelum express at our School going time......

Remaining things next time 'coz I've to catch 4033 for Pathankot today &
'll back on 9th morning by 4034 from Pathankot..... On Monday I've also
go
to Kangra.... If i'll get enough time i'll catch return narrow gauge
train
from Kangra to Pathankot.....

Regards
Sandeep Sharma


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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: HAPPY DIWALI

Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:23:14 -0500


It's a bit hard to keep track here in the jungli lands, so
this is a day belated, but

Happy Diwali to all IRFCA-ites and their families. May a
thousand lights brighten the coming year for you.

Annie

From: The Brabyns <>

Subject: Modelling Indian Railways

Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:48:22 -0500


Hello again,

Once more thanks very much for the info re: the North West Railway and
modelling. I was wondering if the passanger coaches at this website,
with some modification, could serve as Indian rolling stock for the
period 1910-1920? I know they're not meant to be run, but I think it
wouldn't be too hard to fit wheels, couplings, and sun shades to them.
Just a thought. I could be completely off, and I will probably will be
scratchbuilding too anyway, but this could make things a little easier.

Cheers,
Trevor

From: The Brabyns <>

Subject: Modelling Indian Railways

Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:52:46 -0500


Oops, sorry. The URL of the picture is

<A HREF="http://www.halcyon.com/shamrock/train/pass1.htm">http://www.halcyon.com/shamrock/train/pass1.htm</A>

Cheers,
Trevor

From: Krishna S. Dhir <>

Subject: Re: Rail Fan from Punjab !

Date: 06 Nov 1999 08:56:41 -0500


Hi Sandeep and other folks,
Sandeep, nay ... you are NOT the only one from Panjab in this goup ...
So
am I ... My roots go to the village of Kamaam in Jalandhar District.
Know
anyone else from there?
Your account of childhood memories are delightful. Thanks for sharing
them.
Growing up, associated with trains, is perhaps the next best thing to
growing up ON the rails. That is what I did, in the late 40s, and
through
50s and 60s (...and I took a loooong time to grow up, you better believe
it!). In my memory, the clickety clack of a fast moving train was music,
to
which about every song I had ever heard could be set. My father served
Indian Railways from 1935 to 1965 before joining TISCO. That generation
of
Railway Officers had the privilege of Officers' Carriage (OC) at ranks
starting from the Assistant Traffic Officer (ATS), through
Superintendent
Traffic (ST) and DOS onward after the reorganization. And I made the
most
of his time in the Railways ... moving into his OC whenever the school
was
closed ... travelling to every nook and corner of India by the time I
was
14. In those days I used to think that "In the beginning God created
Railways ..."
A child sitting at the window, shutters up, absorbs the entire world. I
have memories of scenes that no longer exist even in rural India ...
such
as watching nesting cranes (sarus) in the Gangetic plains well within
view
from a rail line! Anyone seen cranes from a moving train any more? Even
music directors and lyricists of Bollywood, before it was Bollywood,
took
inspiration from their Rail experiences. Such hits as "Apni to har aah
ik
toofan hai ..." from Kalapani; and before that: "Rahi matawale, tu chhed
ik
baar mun ka sitar ..." sung by Talat Mahmood; and going really, really
far
into the past, "Toofan mail, duniya, yeh duniya hai toofan mail ...,"
all
give proof to my claim!
I signed up with irfca only a few months ago, and have been, mostly
silently, witnessing the transactions. Is there a directory of members
indicating who the different members are, and what they do? I suspect
that
I have a very confused picture of what the member occupations are,
mostly
based on guesswork ... Am I reading e-mails from Railway officers?
Engine
drivers? Book publishers? Hobbyists? The letters do suggest a
delightfully
wide range! I, on my part, am a Professor of Business Administration,
teaching at Pennsylvania State University not far from Lancaster,
Pennsylvania, the home of the Toy Train Club of America.
I see considerable interest in technicalities, design and functions of a
range of locomotives. The panoramic and other photographs have been
outstanding!
Are there any history buffs among irfca?
Am I right about the notion that someone among us is writing a book on
Railways? I wonder where I got that impression ...
So ... here you have it ... an e-mail with a assortment of questions.
Field
that, Apurva! And also tell us ignorants, who are you? What do you do?
To
make a living, that is!
Cheers,
Krishna Dhir
==================
At 10:42 AM 11/6/99 +0500, San-Ind wrote:
>dear Apurva,
>Hi !
>I think i'm the only one from Punjab/Himachal Pradesh but now settled
at
>Delhi......
>Nobody know that some part of Pathankot-Mukerian Section lies in
Himachal
>Pradesh not in Punjab ....Himachal area starts from Rail over Road
BRidge
>after Chakki Bank station, Kandrori(oldest Broad Gauge Railway Station
of
>Himachal Pradesh) till Outskirts of Ghiala Halt Station...... and again
>from BEas bridge after Mirthal station to next station i think Garna
>Sahib........
>
>I'm the one of that land, mix of Punjab & Himachal ... Actually my
village
>is Between Kandrori & Chakki Bank station.... unfortunately we don't
have a
>Railway Station ......
>So I remember my old school days(1982-83).... When i always check all
the
>trains going on .... I identify the trains with their Colours.... or
bogie
>Composition .... Jammu mail was easiest..... 'coz it has always a Mail
>Bogie of Red Colour (unfortunately now it's elemenated).... Jhelum
Express
>by Two separate Bogies in front of train......(Pathankot-NDLS section
>coaches)........... Sealdah Express with one coach at Front
(Sealdah-PTK
>Sec. coach)..... Himsagar Exp. with Blue-yellow bogies...... Usually i
>visited to the Gateman of Level-crossing at our village to ask about
the
>tarin timings...... and at that time i was barely 9 years old.....
>In our new Built house at that Place My father had Put a Specail
window on
>West side of Our house wall for Just on our Demand of Watching the
>trains....... I remmber i getup in morning afer Sealdah Express has
pass
>from there... My father say "Uttho Bete Sealdah Express Chali Gayi
>hai"...... I never miss to watch that Jammu Mail at our Breakfast time
and
>Jhelum express at our School going time......
>
>Remaining things next time 'coz I've to catch 4033 for Pathankot today
&
>'ll back on 9th morning by 4034 from Pathankot..... On Monday I've also
go
>to Kangra.... If i'll get enough time i'll catch return narrow gauge
train
>from Kangra to Pathankot.....
>
>Regards
>Sandeep Sharma
>
>
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Professor of Business Administration
Penn State University at Harrisburg
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Middletown, PA 17057-4898

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Res: (717) 930-9322
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From: Anand I.S. <>

Subject: happy Diwali

Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:51:01 -0500


Hi everybody,

A Happy & Prosperous Diwali to all of us. May our tribe increase !!

anand i.s.

isadeltic@hotmail.email

F/6, BALAKA,
SWASTIK PARK,
CHEMBUR MUMBAI - 400071
INDIA.
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From: Anand I.S. <>

Subject: Matheran Loco

Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:52:53 -0500


Hi Appu & others,

The Matheran loco is DH, by SAN not Bhel, app.450 H>P>. Full details
called
for, will be after diwali.

anand i.s.

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From: Anand I.S. <>

Subject: Bhel diesel & WDG-4

Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:55:09 -0500


Hi HVC

Thereis nothing wrong with the WDP-2 ! The comparison is with WDG-4.Will
get
bach later.

anand i.s.

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Happy Diwali and we are off to Goa

Date: 06 Nov 1999 15:38:31 -0500


Dear Gang,

Will be off to Mumbai by the Deccan Queen in a short while. Tomorrow
morn we will be
on the Mandovi Express to Karmali (old Goa). Will return to Pune via the
SCR on the
Goa Express and the Vasco - Londa link passenger by the 15th morning.
Wishing all the dear friends of IRFCA and their families a joyous and
safe diwali. I
would see you soon.

Apurva

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Who are we?

Date: 06 Nov 1999 21:56:47 -0500



>Is there a directory of members,indicating who the
>different members are, and what they do?


Seems Krishna has an excellent idea. I know I'd like to
know more about my fellow IRFCA'ers. So I guess I'll start
with who I am and ask others to respond.

I'm Annie. I'm American, and didn't have any connection with
India until middle of my life. I was born a hijra, and so when
I learned about the Hijra community, I went to India and joined
a Delhi Hijra house.
I model trains, and of course fell instantly in love with the
railways when I travelled to India. My introduction to India was
to be taken all over to the various houses by a sister in the community.
Of course we travelled on the train, so I spent a lot of time
travelling about on the trains.

From: C. Zeni <>

Subject: Re: Who are we?

Date: 07 Nov 1999 04:41:27 -0500


Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> >Is there a directory of members,indicating who the
> >different members are, and what they do?
>
> Seems Krishna has an excellent idea. I know I'd like to
> know more about my fellow IRFCA'ers. So I guess I'll start
> with who I am and ask others to respond.

Craig Zeni, American in North Carolina (eastern US). Railway enthusiast
and modeler.

I've made a half dozen trips to India for business purposes and done
some traveling there by train. Like Annie, I was smitten by the Indian
Railways and continue to stay in touch with them via IFRCA, though I do
not at this time have the opportunity to travel to India.
--
Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
<A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

From: Shankar <>

Subject: superrailway links page

Date: 07 Nov 1999 07:58:59 -0500


Hello,

Two bits of news:

1. Thanks to our dear Apurva Bahadur, who provided several additional
links, I have almost trebled the number of links on my superrailway
links site. I can now boldly say that it is now the most comprehensive
set of IR links on the planet. The page also has a new look,and a larger
and more easily readable font.
Check it out at:
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrlylinks.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrlylinks.htm</A>

Also, my superrailway links page has been added in the IRAS portal: an
internal e-zine for Indian Railways Accounts Service officers. I hope
out dear irfca and our work gets the attention it deserves in the right
circles. YOu will find a link to the iras portal on the links page
itself.

Do revert with your comments.

Cheers.

Shankar

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: superrailway links page

Date: 07 Nov 1999 09:05:26 -0500


In a message dated 11/7/99 8:12:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
shankie@emirates.email writes:

<< <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrlylinks.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrlylinks.htm</A>
>>
This is one of the best Diwali gift an irfca member has probably
received.
Thanks and Happy Diwali and a prosperous new year.

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: Rail Fan from Punjab !

Date: 07 Nov 1999 09:35:28 -0500


Dear Sandeep and other friends,

I would like to add a few comments to this
mail and, finally, I would like to say something
about a IR fan. So, go ahead and read my
comments.

I welcome comments and views from others.

Regards.

S. Srinivas

==============================

San-Ind wrote:

> dear Apurva,
> Hi !
> I think i'm the only one from Punjab/Himachal Pradesh but now settled
at
> Delhi......
> Nobody know that some part of Pathankot-Mukerian Section lies in
Himachal
> Pradesh not in Punjab ....Himachal area starts from Rail over Road
BRidge
> after Chakki Bank station, Kandrori(oldest Broad Gauge Railway Station
of
> Himachal Pradesh) till Outskirts of Ghiala Halt Station...... and
again
> from BEas bridge after Mirthal station to next station i think Garna
> Sahib........

One cannot make out clearly from the IR map.
But, if one takes the train to Jammu, which travels
on the Jullandhar - Pathankot section during
daylight hours, one can very easily make out
that the rail line criss-crosses between the states
of Punjab and H.P. So also the highway.

I have travelled on this section many times.
The route is full of greenery. You can also
see the distant hills of the himalayan range
on a clear day. The track is well maintained.


> I'm the one of that land, mix of Punjab & Himachal ... Actually my
village
> is Between Kandrori & Chakki Bank station.... unfortunately we don't
have a
> Railway Station ......
> So I remember my old school days(1982-83).... When i always check all
the
> trains going on .... I identify the trains with their Colours.... or
bogie
> Composition .... Jammu mail was easiest..... 'coz it has always a Mail
> Bogie of Red Colour (unfortunately now it's elemenated).... Jhelum
Express
> by Two separate Bogies in front of train......(Pathankot-NDLS section
> coaches)........... Sealdah Express with one coach at Front
(Sealdah-PTK
> Sec. coach)..... Himsagar Exp. with Blue-yellow bogies...... Usually
i
> visited to the Gateman of Level-crossing at our village to ask about
the
> tarin timings...... and at that time i was barely 9 years old.....
> In our new Built house at that Place My father had Put a Specail
window on
> West side of Our house wall for Just on our Demand of Watching the
> trains....... I remmber i getup in morning afer Sealdah Express has
pass
> from there... My father say "Uttho Bete Sealdah Express Chali Gayi
> hai"...... I never miss to watch that Jammu Mail at our Breakfast time
and
> Jhelum express at our School going time......
>

Yes. When your home is very near a main line
track, your life gets synchronised to the train
timings. Your life centers around the passing
of the trains. If any particular train runs behind
schedule, you have to first come to terms with
the fact that the train is running late and then that
you still have to get on with your daily chores.

I am also quite sure that you would have very
regularly had your dinner just after the Jammu
Delhi Mail passed your home in the evenings.


> Remaining things next time 'coz I've to catch 4033 for Pathankot today
&
> 'll back on 9th morning by 4034 from Pathankot..... On Monday I've
also go
> to Kangra.... If i'll get enough time i'll catch return narrow gauge
train
> from Kangra to Pathankot.....
>
> Regards
> Sandeep Sharma
> *

And, if you did travel by the Kangara Vally NG train, please send
us all a
report. Finally, something about a IR fan.

I firmly believe that a IR fan considers the
whole of IR as his territory. IR is one of
the binding forces which keeps this
country together. The reason the British
created Railways in India in the 19th
century is still good for India today.

Of course, our exposure to different parts
or oppurtunities to travel on IR is certainly
limited. That is why it is always nice to hear
from friends who give out reports on their
travels on sections which they have travelled.

Others who did not get an opputunity to take
a train on that particular section will get to
know about the "un-chartered" section.

Some others who did travel by that section
will be able to compare notes or, maybe,
add something to the report.

I am sure that it was with this idea in mind
that Apurva wanted other railfans to be
more active. I feel more of our members
should speak up about their travels on IR,
about their observations of IR and its
working and any other details they may have.

When more members from different parts of
the country (and abroad) convey information
to irfca members, we will trully have a very
active all India organisation or fan club.

Cheers.

From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: [IRFCA

Date: 07 Nov 1999 10:53:44 -0500





Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 07:20:07 +0500
From: "s.h.zaidi" <oldgold@cyberaccess.email
Reply-To: oldgold@cyberaccess.email
To: irfca-request@cs.email
Subject: Total length of Indian railways and suggestion for reading
books, if any on Indian Railways

Can you give me the above information please via e-mail, purely
forinformation and research purposes.
Reply via e-mail please.

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