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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 28 Oct 1999 20:02:11 -0500


S Pai wrote:
>
> Tim wrote:
>
> > An address for mailing could be something like
> > IndianRailways@onelist.email.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!
>
> Call me sentimental, but my vote would be to retain "irfca" in the
> name even though the original acronym does not make any sense any
> longer. It'll also give anyone searching for information about the
list
> a better chance if they happen to come from some old web page or
> archive or mail message somewhere and are looking for "irfca".
>
> Besides, we're not IR, why call the list "IndianRailways"?
>
> --Satish


Satish,

I was just using that as an example. Then again, possible new members
were searching the railroads list, IRFCA does not give any indication as
to what the list pretains to.

Tim

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Bad Ride: Pune-CST Section

Date: 28 Oct 1999 20:53:42 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Can you be specific, which section you had a rough ride and I can get
a
> comment from the PWI dept. I remember the section near Neral as being
> really bad.
Yes, it was the Neral-Ambarnath section, but I also
thought it was surprisingly bad somewhere before Kamshet.
the coach was pitching and corkscrewing badly enough to
spill coffee.

> The news I have heard is that in the suburban Mumbai section, the slow
> tracks have had their bed height has been increased to cope with the
> water logging. So the EMU entry height above the platform has become
> excessive.
Funnily, on getting off the Shatabdi at CST, I had the
fleeting impression that the platform was unusually
low. May have something to do with this ?

I read somewhere that waterlogging on Mumbai suburban
routes was compounded by plastic waste dumped on the
track, which prevents evaporation of water.

--
JS
--

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: about wdg4 engines trials.

Date: 28 Oct 1999 21:56:18 -0500


Hello,
I'll second that.
I am now aware of any WDG/4s having come into India prior to the present
lot.
As such, I think the tests in question were proving trials for the
engines: stretching them to their maximum ability, or rather trying to
establish how far the machines could be pushed.
Apparently the journalist was either 1. out for a scoop, or 2.
mininformed or acting upon heresay while writing his story,or 3.one of
the anti swadeshi lobby: trying to prove that anything imported is bad.

Lest I should be misunderstood, let me hasted to assure you that I am
not a WDG/4 propoganda freak. I don't like the engines either, due to
the one cab design. The IR should have been more sensible in their
choice, esp. as a dual cab option is available.

But let us look at the situation logically. Unless you push the machines
to their limit, you can really never establish how far they can be
thrashed.

Cheers.

Shankar



Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > top all members.
> > recently a article has been published in telugu local paper eenadu
that there were four trails conducted on wdg4 engines iwhich were
imported from usa. they were tried with 58 wagons.two trails were
conducted in karnataka and two in
> > andhra pradesh.
>
> Assuming the load is BCN/BOXN or similar 58 wagons results in a
trailing load of 4700 tonnes. A double headed WDM 2 pair haul 3300
tonnes regularly even in the semi ghat section. One WDG 4 is supposed
to replace two WDM 2s, so maybe
> this was a load proving trials of the WDG 4.
> The line in Karnataka is Hospet - Hubli - Castle Rock - to Vasco in
Goa, which is the line in Andhra Pradesh ?
> I remember reading in an IR mag that the heaviest freight train hauled
by a single WAG 9 was nearly 5000 T near Gomoh.
>
> Apurva

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Railway Company Liveries

Date: 28 Oct 1999 22:07:33 -0500


Julian,
Berridge, in the preface of his book says that the NWR
livery
was red and dusty before being altered to green and white following the
formation of PWR after partition.

At NRM, we are presently compiling the records of all the railways that
existed including their crests(but no liveries). The problem is how to
explain these to you!
More coming up shortly.

Harsh



-----Original Message-----
From: PG JULIAN RAINBOW <J.J.Rainbow@newcastle.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 8:14 AM
Subject: Railway Company Liveries


All,

I have been asked by a friend to see if I can find out the liveries
used by various Railway Companies, including these Indian ones. He
has a collection of Company Crests which he wishes to mount on boards
in an appropiate colour. He needs to know the liveries of both
locomotives, and rolling stock and wethever the Company put its crest
on both loco and rolling stock, or just on one of them. The idea
being that he will then mount the crests on a appropiately coloured
board. The period of most of the crests in from 1919 - 1939. The
Railways concerned are:

W Ceylon
H.E.H. The Nizams State Railway
Pakistan Western Railway
E Bengal Rly India Stores Department
GIP
BBCI
Jodphur Railway

He also has crests from Africa, Australia, and South America so if
any one has any knowledge of these areas can we correspond off line?

Thanks

Julian

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: about wdg4 engines trials.

Date: 28 Oct 1999 22:24:37 -0500




Dear gang,

To my mind the only trip in Andhra for heavy weight diesel freights is
Hospet -
Guntakal - Cuddapah - Chennai. It has to be an iron ore freight, as coal
freights have more tare weight than carrying weight. Coal freights move
off from
Bellampalli or from Bhadrachalam, but those are electrified sections.

Regards

Raymond

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: what about IR services ?

Date: 28 Oct 1999 22:33:52 -0500


Rajeev,
You may call it a chat site(what's the difference?!) if
you
like but the bottomline is that everybody is here by choice. If you wish
to
take up any particular topic why not start it yourself instead of
waiting
for the others to do so. Objectives and achievements of any group depend
on
the members. If you want the others to lead you then obviously you don't
have any right to complain wherever they might take you. If you don't
like a
particular mail easiest way out is to just delete it but please don't
create
another junk mail in response.

By the way the least you could hope to achieve here is to make some
wonderful friends if you wanted to. I did!

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Rajeev Goyal <Rajeev_Goyal@enron.email
To: Anand Krishnan <krish_nand@hotmail.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: what about IR services ?


>
>
>Anand,
>Thanks for your quick response but I am not suggesting to discuss these
kind of
>issues for the sake of discussions, rather I feel we should get the
solutions to
>this kind of problem and suggest that to proper autorities.
>If you do not agree........I would like to understand the objectives of
Railway
>Fan Club.........or it is just a chat site where we do not discuss
serious
and
>meaningful things.
>Would appreciate your guidance.........Thanks,.........Rajeev
>
>
>
>
>"Anand Krishnan" <krish_nand@hotmail.email on 10/28/99 04:12:43 PM
>
>To: Rajeev Goyal/EOG/Enron@Enron, irfca@cs.email
>cc:
>
>Subject: Re: what about IR services ?
>
>
>
>
>Hi Rajiv,
> Welcome to the list. Your concerns are fair enough. If u were
into
>the list 2 days back u could have read about an MLA creating a scene at
>Mumbai station and causing 15 A/c coach passengers to cancel their
tickets
>and the Railway manager sending a letter to the speaker of the assembly
>asking him to request members of his house to behave themselves while
on
IR.
>If u have hooligans like that then what more can u expect ....mind u
>...we(people) have elected them. Topics like these have come up in this
>forum and kindled the emotions of many members of the list and it has
>resulted in exchange of unwanted,controversial mails. On my part i can
lend
>my shoulder to you and support your views and thats it. Lets talk about
IR's
>greatness and leave these issues alone.
>
>Kind regards,
>Anand
>
>
>>From: "Rajeev Goyal" <Rajeev_Goyal@enron.email
>>To: irfca@cs.email
>>Subject: what about IR services ?
>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:00:50 +0530
>>
>>
>>
>>Gentlemen,
>>I recently joined this group.
>>I found nobody is discussing about the services which should be made
>>available
>>by Indian Railways to the passengers in lieu of the fare paid. I am
sure
>>all of
>>us are also travelling by train and are equally aware of the
deteriorating
>>conditions.
>>
>>6 months back, when I spoke to a TTC in sleeper class compartment, he
told
>>me
>>that they can not do anything against the daily passengers as they
beat
>>them up
>>later on.
>>
>>Anybody from this fanclub would like to address these kind of
problems.
>>
>>Thanks,.......Rajeev
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
>

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: about wdg4 engines trials.

Date: 28 Oct 1999 22:40:14 -0500


Shankar wrote:

> Lest I should be misunderstood, let me hasted to assure you that I am
> not a WDG/4 propoganda freak. I don't like the engines either, due to
> the one cab design. The IR should have been more sensible in their
> choice, esp. as a dual cab option is available.
If a dual cab option was available from GM, then
the IR selection of a single cab is quite mystifying.
Or is it that a dual cab version would have been too long
to negotiate IR trackage ?

> But let us look at the situation logically. Unless you push the
machines
> to their limit, you can really never establish how far they can be
> thrashed.
By all means, yes. And the testing has to be done under real
operating conditions, including grades, braking distances,
running distances and fuel quality. 4700 tonnes drawn by
a single WDG4 sounds quite spectacular for a solo diesel
by any standards, if this is accurate info.

--
JS
--

From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: Re: Rajeev

Date: 28 Oct 1999 23:42:13 -0500



Rajeev Goyal has unsubscribed and is unhappy about the messages he is
recieving from members of this list (and sending me mail about it :)).
Could you guys leave him out of the followups? thanks.

anurag

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: unsubscribe...

Date: 29 Oct 1999 01:37:17 -0500



Dear Anurag,

Please remove my mail id from the list as , I am off on holiday for 2
weeks.

Wishing you A Very Happy Diwali!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Hi! Everbody,

Wishing All The Rail Fans A Very Happy Colourful Diwali!

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: PG JULIAN RAINBOW <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 29 Oct 1999 02:44:43 -0500


Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:02:11 -0700
From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <tmwake@warwick.email
Reply-to: tmwake@warwick.email
To: S Pai <s_pai@bigfoot.email
Cc: irfca <irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: IRFCA mailing list move
All,

I think Satish is right, changing names just causes confusion, I was
off this list for about two years due to lack of email and the only
way I found it again was knowing its name. If the name had been
changed and it was not very clear when you searched for a newsgroup
on Indian Railways to join then it would be missed.

Julian

S Pai wrote:
>
> Tim wrote:
>
> > An address for mailing could be something like
> > IndianRailways@onelist.email.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!
>
> Call me sentimental, but my vote would be to retain "irfca" in the
> name even though the original acronym does not make any sense any
> longer. It'll also give anyone searching for information about the
list
> a better chance if they happen to come from some old web page or
> archive or mail message somewhere and are looking for "irfca".
>
> Besides, we're not IR, why call the list "IndianRailways"?
>
> --Satish


Satish,

I was just using that as an example. Then again, possible new members
were searching the railroads list, IRFCA does not give any indication as
to what the list pretains to.

Tim

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Notes from my weekend rail journey

Date: 29 Oct 1999 02:54:45 -0500


> The lead loco(18973) sported a sparkling
> new livery followed by the KZJ shed. I spotted another KZJ loco with a
> similar livery(and very freshly painted too) on the hussainSAgar
express
> last week.

Yes I saw the new KZJ livery too at Pune, this is actually the Indian
flag's
tricolour. I remember a pair of IMMACULATE WDM 2 from KZJ a few years
back with
dazzling white livery and the 50th Anniversary tricolour logo (the one
seen on
the smoke deflectors of the YP/ YG hauling the Royal Orient / MG Palace
on
Wheels).

> It has a light green coat till half the height of the driver's
> window and then a small 6 inch white band and then red above it.

>
> I talked to the guard and the driver of this BCN formation.
He
> said that there were 2 ways of double heading. First was 2 sets of
loco
> staff on each engine driving the 2 locos in sychronization i.e they
move
> each notch in syc with each other.

I do not know why two sets of drivers on different locos should operate
the
locos together, but I have seen this too. What I saw was a three WDM 2 s
hauling
a BCN load between Khadki and Dapodi (on the Harris bridge actually),
two were
MUes while the third loco was just coupled. The train crawled onto the
bridge
from Khadki end and then on a wave from the leading driver all the locos
notched
up. I guess they were waiting for the Dapodi home aspect to change
favorably.
There was a mail from Joydeep recently stating that all the WDM2 are not
necessarily equal as far as the MUing is concerned, so although you may
have two
or three WDM 2 for a formation, they may not be MUable, hence the
separate
crews.

> As alwayswith IR they were very kind and answered my queries
> patiently.

Sweetest community in the world !

> A staff change is effected at DMM. They had good words for the
> facilities at the running room at DMM. On the SBC-CST route staff
change
> takes place at DMM, GTL, SUR and PA.

What is this ? A crew working say 6530 Up Udyan from SBC would get off
at DMM
and the fresh crew would work only 241 kms and after a 3hr 20 minute
run to GTL
? Even DMM - SBC distance is only 235 Kms and the running time approx 4
hours.
Probably in the up direction the SBC division staff would work from SBC
to DMM
and return back (short haul) soon. The GTL division staff then must be
working
the load from DMM to Raichur. I know for sure that Solapur division
staff pick
up trains from RC although it is not CR territory, as the SUR - Wadi run
is too
short to complete duty hours. Thus assume that the GTL division crew
hand the
charge to the SUR division staff at RC, who then work the train to SUR
and
another set of SUR division crew work it to Daund or to Pune. Much of
SUR
division staff at Daund do a short trip to Pune and then work one long
trip to
either Manmad or to Solapur. Of course their monster run is by the 2628
Karnatak
Express (NDLS - SBC) where one set of crew works the train from Manmad
to
Solapur via Daund !

> Just as we were talking a massive BCC load with a twin
WDG2(Gooty)
> rolled in to PF 2(again low leveled). It stopped for its crew change
and the
> new driver joined us in our conversation. He says those new BCC air
brake
> wagons give them almost 100% brake power when they start on their
trip.

What is a BCC wagon ? How does it look ?

> They
> were all praise for the new air brake wagons. I asked them if they
needed to
> undergo a special training to handle WDG2s and WDM2c. They said that
there
> were 2 separate courses run at GOC each consisting of 3 months of
classes
> and 45 days handling exercises.

These guys train at GOC because they were SR staff, the SCR staff train
at GTL
and the CR diesel staff train at Katni.

> TRue true i sided with them......... The max load on this
> stretch was 3275 tonnes.

The load allowed from Mumbai - Pune - Daund is 3500 T (twin WDM 2s or
WDG 2s),
while on the Pune - Miraj section, the limit is 3333 T due to gradients.

> This one info is specially for Apurva's attention. I
remember one
> of the drivers in PA, last week, who said that they had to do
PA-Jejuri in
> one shot without any stoppage otherwise the gradient would pull them
back.

It is not a question of the loco or the train brakes but more of the
rolling
back due to the coupling failure or parting of the rake. The decision to
have
'one run' between Pune - Jejuri is to avoid any stoppages due to the
semi ghat
section. Of course a loco may not have adequate brake power to hold the
rake in
case of a stoppage.

> He seemed very unhappy
> by the way in which loco brakes were maintained. He guarantees that if
the
> loco brakes were perfect rolling backwards is not at all possible.
With just
> the loco brakes on the whole rake formation can be halted. Any second
> opinion on this ????

Most of these heavy trains are braked from cruising speeds to manageable
speeds
(25 - 40 Kmph) by the use of dynamic brakes, thereafter the combined use
of
train and loco brakes are used to bring it to standstill. for a lighter
train,
the loco brakes are quite sufficient. Of course all depends on the
reasons for
the stoppage, i.e the urgency. I remember being in the Goa Express WDM 2
loco a
few years back. The train was admitted at a station at speed with a
clear home
signal on the through line. But on entering the station (it was on a
curve) the
driver sighted a blocking starter signal, so a combined effort of full
dynamic,
train and loco brakes brought the rake to a screeching halt short of the
signal,
but only just about. The driver being an ultra courteous Tamilian had
to say
to me, 'Sir, please excuse me while I curse (the signal man)'
The signal was defective and the station master cleared the Goa Express
with a
paper ticket. The correct procedure would have been to admit the train
with a
caution distant and home signal.

> The second factor he said was the Loco itself. Proper
> maintenace will lead to sufficient haulage power according to him.
> Psssssssst...... he had some bitter words for PA powers.

It is generally accepted that ED, GOC, KJM and GY powers are really
good, both
in appearance and in performance. Pune powers are okay from the hauling
power
and economy but are frequently dirty. The powers that Pune drivers find
detestable are Itarsi, Jhansi, Ratlam and Ludhiana (yes we get those too
!). I
feel that most of these powers so far away from home are actually on a
late or
missing link working freight trains. Hence the beat up appearance and
the poor
performance.
A few days back a Ratlam power hauling a CRT rake from the Mumbai end
treated
our American railfan guest to a grand display of Alco smoke combined
with a
really delicious loud horn.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 29 Oct 1999 04:13:27 -0500


Hi Gang,

>
>I was just using that as an example. Then again, possible new members
>were searching the railroads list, IRFCA does not give any indication
as
>to what the list pretains to.

I too feel a bit sentimental about insisting on the list being
called "irfca". Infact i associate all railfans only by this name. Well
all
these can be kept in mind when we actually move. But when is this move
being
planned. Anurag any inputs on this.

regards,
Anand

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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: about wdg4 engines trials.

Date: 29 Oct 1999 04:20:48 -0500


Hi Gang,

>Apparently the journalist was either 1. out for a scoop, or 2.
>mininformed or acting upon heresay while writing his story,or 3.one >of
>the anti swadeshi lobby: trying to prove that anything imported is
>bad.
Being in AP for almost 2 years now , i would like to inform you

that there are a couple of newspapers which give u news with a pinch of
salt
and pepper, a little bit of mirchi and masala and some jeera powder, mix
it
well and serve it as masala news. This is one of them. Sensationalism to
the
core. May be 30% "possiblility" that it "could" be true. When the chief
engineer of DLW says its good how can the media conclude that way. I
totally
agree with that 2 point and "story" is the punch word.

regards,
anand

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: WCAM-3 on shunting duties ?

Date: 29 Oct 1999 04:38:41 -0500


> i returned on sunday by 2123 dn dq. i saw a couple of WCAM-3's in a
> different colour scheme. they were basically dark blue, but there was
a
> mustard yellow stripe going down the cooling vents on the sides. at
the top
> and bottom of the yellow stripe were two thin red strips. seems that
cr is
> trying out a new colour scheme. one of the WCAM-3's (21960) was at
CSTM trip
> shed, while the other was at CLA(T).

I saw the WCAM 3 # 21959 with the same colour scheme on the 7308 Up
Koyna today.

>From the side these are the colours:
(from top)

Dark Blue (almost black)
Broad yellow (mustard as Zubin puts it)
thin red at 30 % of yellow from the bottom
Dark blue till the bottom

>From the front the loco looks like this:
(from top)

Yellow on top (roof and the headlight section)
Wind shield
Yellow band ending in a 'V' of a chevron
Blue on the sides of the chevron
Red buffer beam with black (normal) buffers
black cattle guard

This is a striking looking scheme, the paint work is quite crude though
(applied
by hand ?).

Our American railfan Geert is back from a footplate ride to Kolhapur and
back.
He is bleary eyed and unsteady on his feet and I could almost hear him
say
'enough of railways'. He did footplate the full night on the Sahyadri
and from
Satara to Pune on the Koyna. I tried to taunt him whether he would like
to go
further to Mumbai on the same train, and he did not reply, instead just
glared
at me !

Apurva

From: Shantanu Sen <>

Subject: unsubscribe

Date: 29 Oct 1999 07:17:21 -0500


Hi Anurag,

I shall be away on holiday for a month, so please remove me from the mailing list temporarily

Cheers to all

From: San-Ind <>

Subject: Re: Maps !!!!

Date: 29 Oct 1999 09:24:18 -0500


Dear Mr. Shankar,
Its nice to collect the Old + Contemporary Maps....

I've an Old Historical Map of 1925 .... I'd got it from some book from
Chandigarh Library i forgot the name of book......when i was studying
there....... Actually i'd stolen it from that book.... I really feel
guilty
that i'd stolen it.... but at that time i was a foolish School student
who
do things like that....

Its title is :
INDEX MAP
showing
LINE SURVEYED OR PROJECTED
IN THE KANGRA DISTRICT

Its consist of Kangra Valley Railway........
East Punjab etc.

If u want i'll scan & send it to u......

Regards
Sandeep
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From: San-Ind <>

Subject: Udhampur-Baramula Link....

Date: 29 Oct 1999 09:28:42 -0500


Dear Vijay,
Its a long time to see u.......
I've to ask one thing..........that can i get all the mails which are
posted to IRFCA website.....?

Can u tell me something about it...... I'd got some details of this rly.
line upto Qazigund..... I'd got it from a Rly. report in NRM
library....
They had given all stations upto Qazigund...... But further details are
missing ??? Can someone Help me out ??????????????

Regards
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From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: irfca is 10 years old !

Date: 29 Oct 1999 10:39:04 -0500


Anand Krishnan wrote:

> BTW this list has been functioning from 1989.

> regards,

> AK
>

Hello gang

this only means that railfans like me have been
missing quite a lot of action and fun for quite
sometime now.

How about celebrating the completion
of ten years. Meetings - yes. Planning some
rail journey together - yes. Maybe some
footplating too. Say around December end !
Don't worry about y2k bug. It won't affect
our IR.

AND CONSIDERING THE INFLUENCE
WHICH APURVA SEEMS TO COMMAND
IN PUNE, LET THE LOCATION BE PUNE.
(See the following mail from Apurva)

Anand and Apurva and all other senior /
founder members - can you at least
give us some info on the origins of irfca.
Thanks in advance.

Regards

S. SRINIVAS

============================

Gang !

Yesterday I had the good fortune of meeting Geert Marien who is married
into an Indian family from Pune. After the customary round of the
electric loco shed, Dr. Yande and I saw him off on the 7308 Up Koyna
Express footplate (WCG 2). Geert and father in law Hari Athawale
footplated to Karjat and came back on the 7303 Sahyadri to Pune. Today
they will footplate 7303 to Kolhapur (overnight run) and footplate back
to Pune on the 7308 Koyna tomorrow where after 16 hours in the loco he
should return back to New Jersey very tired but hopefully happy.

Apurva

======================================

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: Notes from my weekend rail journey

Date: 29 Oct 1999 10:39:30 -0500


Dear Apurva and other friends,

Let me add some bits.

S. Srinivas
=================

Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> >> A staff change is effected at DMM.

The section SBC to DMM is covered both by SR and SCR staff.
Mostly, they
are assigned to & fro duties (i.e) SBC-DMM-SBC.
They get a short break at DMM. SCR staff get some rest in SBC.

> It is generally accepted that ED, GOC, KJM and GY powers are really
> good, both
> in appearance and in performance. Pune powers are okay from the
hauling
> power
> and economy but are frequently dirty. The powers that Pune drivers
find
> detestable are Itarsi, Jhansi, Ratlam and Ludhiana

When it comes to mtce. of WAM and WAP locos, Ghaziabad stands
out. Drivers
generally inspect the Ghaziabad locos very thoroughly before taking
over.

> Apurva

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: irfca is 10 years old !

Date: 29 Oct 1999 11:45:54 -0500


Folks,

We are exactly 2 months past the 10th anniversary - the very first email
to
this list was sent on August 29, 1989.

You can read the first email at
<A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/mail/msg1.html">http://www.irfca.org/mail/msg1.html</A>

Interestingly, now that we are thinking of moving the list to a new
server,
it is funny to note Dheeraj's comment in the first mail:

"But beware, this can be a temporary mailing list, since the
system-staff
may not like the idea. But until that time,...."

Well, "...." indeed! We are now close to reaching 10,000 messages!

Just to give you an idea of how the list has grown in the last while,
here
are approximate messages by year:

1989: 155
1990: 241
1991: 351
1992: 261
1993: 74 (hmmm... slow year?)
1994: 283
1995: 115
1996: 228
1997: 365
and then the dramatic leap, to
1998: 2830
1999 (to date): 3372

and the last few months alone:

July 1999: 410
August 1999: 657
September 1999: 818!
October 1999 (to date): 457

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