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From: Sridhar Shankar <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 25 Oct 1999 14:24:03 -0500


Anurag,

It is probably time for such a move. IRFCA has graduated from being a
small
special interest discussion group to some thing far more substantial,
and
the digest format is well suited for such a forum.

I feel that the IP issue is a 'non-issue' for this group. Thanks for
administering the group.
-Sridhar


At 11:48 AM 10/25/99 -0700, Anurag Acharya wrote:

>Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
>list from its current home at the University of Maryland. Its been two
>years since I left UMD and it is getting harder to keep track of the
>status of the machine(s) the list lives on. I am also trying to see if
>I can set up a digest version of the mailing list. One of the
>alternatives I am considering is moving IRFCA to a public mailing list
>server such as egroups.com. The advantages are: outages are less
>likely, the list archive would be maintained at the server and would
>be available to members and subsequent moves would probably be needed
>less frequently. The disadvantages are: these servers usually attach a
>short text ad at the bottom of the message and the intellectual
>property issues (they can keep a copy of the content royalty-free if
>they like).
>
>I would like to hear from members on this issue.
>
>anurag
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>Sample Intellectual property text from egroups.com:
>
>You agree that upon posting any material within a group open to the
>public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
>assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
>non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual
>property rights, if any, in such material, to use, distribute,
>display, reproduce, and create derivative works from such material in
>any and all media, in any manner, in whole or part, without any duty
>to account to you. You further agree that upon posting any material
>within a private, members-only group on the Service, you grant
>eGroups, and its successors and assigns, a non-exclusive worldwide,
>royalty free, perpetual, non-revocable license under your copyrights
>or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to
>distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other members of
>that group. You also grant eGroups the right to authorize the
>downloading and printing in whole or in part of any material that you
>have posted to a group on the Service, by endusers for their personal
>use.

From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Re: Maps

Date: 25 Oct 1999 14:45:49 -0500


Hi

There was available until recently a map of all India railways done
by the Indian Govt survey dept. It was at 55 miles to the inch and
quite a large map in 6 colours. Mine shows stations, number of
tracks, electrification , gauge etc.....it is 1993 and the 16th
Edition.

I have tried to get some more but without success....someone in Delhi
may have more luck!

Cheers

Iain

Aerolite Booktraders(UK)
Railway Book Specialists
<A HREF="http://www.aerolite.u-net.com">http://www.aerolite.u-net.com</A>

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Maps

Date: 25 Oct 1999 14:55:44 -0500


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello Annie,
> Wow, that sounds fascinating.
> When you say maps, do you mean IR maps or US railroad maps?
> Man, the irfca could use an interactive IR map!
> Why don't you go ahead and make it anyway?
> I know collating and collecting info can be difficult, but you could
> make a start, and put up a 'this site is still under construction'
sign.
>
> No one has responded to my maps requests yet. NOnetheless, I intend
> going ahead with the site anyway, putting up the CR, SR,SE, SC, KR and
> IR maps, and keeping my fingers crossed aobut the others.
>
> Yoo hoo! Any one with ER, NR, NF, NE,SE and historical IR maps out
> there?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Shankar
>
Shankar,

I think it would be a great idea. I always have to refer to a paper map
to figure out where places are you all are talking about!

Tim

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 25 Oct 1999 19:21:57 -0500



Anurag, it sounds like a good idea. I just looked at the egroups.com
web
site, and they have some interesting features to spice up plain old
email
lists, such as the possibility of organizing chat boards for the list,
storing images and other files online, and maintaining group calendars
of
interesting events, etc. The only potential downside I see is that it's
a
new company and like many Internet firms it's not clear that it will be
around in a year's time, of course. :-)

(Another alternative is to make it an old-fashioned Usenet newsgroup,
which
gets rid of a lot of the burdens of administration, but introduces new
problems of its own (i.e., spam or the burden of moderation). The IP
problem is, if anything, worse with a public newsgroup, of course.)

Sridhar wrote:

> I feel that the IP issue is a 'non-issue' for this group. Thanks for
> administering the group.

Well, there are two things to keep in mind.

1. Material we come up with. There is a simple solution. If you
believe
you have material which you would not want someone else to gain
rights
to, don't post it to the list -- mail a URL describing how one can
access it, and keep the files themselves at some other site.

2. Material from other sources posted to the list. So far, IRFCA has
been
more like a private group and we have sometimes played fast and loose
with copyright issues, posting images or text from other sources. In
general for a small group one could hand-wave it away as reasonable
educational use, but if we're potentially making it available in a
larger setting, we'll have to be a bit more careful. I don't think
this is a problem, though.

--Satish

From: Shrikant S. Lele <>

Subject: MG Elec loco

Date: 25 Oct 1999 20:06:54 -0500


HI Jayant and others,

Good morning to you all. Sorry an error. YCG-1 has been stated as YCM-1
The arrangement is also B+B and not Bo-Bo or B-B. Some omissions in my
report which I will rectify later.

Thanx to my friend Shrikant for using his Pc.

Bye for now.

is.anand isadeltic @hotmail .com

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 25 Oct 1999 20:29:28 -0500


Anurag,

I was wondering how you managed by remote control. The public mailing
list option
sounds better than some other Univ server.
We live with ads in the footers all the time.
Is it possible to reflect any new subscription request on the old
address to the
public mailing list ?

Apurva

Anurag Acharya wrote:

> Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
> list from its current home at the University of Maryland.

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Maps

Date: 25 Oct 1999 20:31:31 -0500




>There was available until recently a map of all India railways done
>by the Indian Govt survey dept. It was at 55 miles to the inch and
>quite a large map in 6 colours. Mine shows stations, number of
>tracks, electrification , gauge etc.....it is 1993 and the 16th
>Edition.


I have one of those.

From: Zubin Lee <>

Subject: GM-GE G12 model

Date: 25 Oct 1999 21:40:29 -0500


folks,

i located a frateschi model of the G12. look up
<A HREF="http://www.hobbymania.com.br/ferreo/G-12.htm">http://www.hobbymania.com.br/ferreo/G-12.htm</A> for more info. however, the
site is in spanish.

~zubin.

From: Zubin Lee <>

Subject: more frateschi

Date: 25 Oct 1999 21:43:55 -0500


folks,

the frateschi website is <A HREF="http://www.frateschi.com.br/indexi.htm">http://www.frateschi.com.br/indexi.htm</A> (english
version). i couldent find a G16 model, though. this is for you, anne ...

~zubin.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Poona Light Rail

Date: 25 Oct 1999 23:36:29 -0500


> I shall be very interested to see what technology Pune adopts --
over
> to you, Apurva!

Nobody is talking about the technology yet. We are stuck at the argument
whether
the municipality can afford the Rs. 1400 Crores for the project. The
squabble is
about the acquisition of land including some part of the Agricultural
college
which is one of the largest areas of green cover in Pune. Frankly I am
worried
if the Pune light railway were to get ahead. Pune is located in a valley
formed
by tall mountains from most directions. The ring railway would have to
run at
the base of these majestic peaks. Which also means that it would cross
pristine
tracts of land with forest cover. A rail line in the midst of these
lands would
lead to population settling there. Invariably the high level of
corruption and
short sightedness for clear monetary objectives which comes with such
high value
projects. Invariably a lot of ecological sacrifices would be made in the
name of
progress and we would have the concrete slums of Mumbai here too. A few
places
should be made inaccessible so that green cover remains on the land.
Just the
week before a large garbage dump was planned right in the middle of the
hill
tracts by the same corporators.
There are no technical details as of now but the circular route will be
ShivajiNagar, Aundh, Wakad, Balewadi, Katraj, Nagar Road, Shivaji Nagar.
There
was also another circuit which covered Bhosari area upto Chakan. My
guess is
that instead of planning on a light railway a regular railway line
should be
laid on which EMUs could be run.

Speaking of politicians, there was an ugly incident a few days back when
some
politicians and their goons forced their way into the AC sleeper of the
Devagiri
Express at CSTM. The legitimate passengers then detained the train for
over two
hours as a protest till alternate arrangements could be made. Atleast 15
genuine
passengers canceled their tickets and were given refunds. This is what
the scum
of the earth can do to the very people who have elected them in office.
So can
we trust Pune's future with such 'leaders' ?
Today the CR has released an appeal to the speaker of the house of
Maharashtra
Govt to ask their MLAs etc to behave while on railways.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:07:15 -0500


Hi all,
There is one potential problem. I am a part of 3 egroups. Though
there
was no major problem till now(ours was just a alumni list) we did
receive a
lot of external request from strangers pestering us to include us in the

list. E-groups has this option for users to have a look at all the other

groups. Though now we have blocked our list from other users such type
of
problems may very often occur. But the burden of administering comes
down a
lot. An more importantly we could have more than one person with
administrative privileges in egroups and thats less of work and good
news
for Anurag. Shouldnot be a problem in moving. But what will happen to
the
existing mail archives ??

Kind regards,
anand

>From: S Pai <s_pai@bigfoot.email
>To: Indian Railways List <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:21:57 -0400
>
>Anurag, it sounds like a good idea. I just looked at the egroups.com
web
>site, and they have some interesting features to spice up plain old
email
>lists, such as the possibility of organizing chat boards for the list,
>storing images and other files online, and maintaining group calendars
of
>interesting events, etc. The only potential downside I see is that
it's a
>new company and like many Internet firms it's not clear that it will be
>around in a year's time, of course. :-)
>
>(Another alternative is to make it an old-fashioned Usenet newsgroup,
which
>gets rid of a lot of the burdens of administration, but introduces new
>problems of its own (i.e., spam or the burden of moderation). The IP
>problem is, if anything, worse with a public newsgroup, of course.)
>
>Sridhar wrote:
>
> > I feel that the IP issue is a 'non-issue' for this group. Thanks for
> > administering the group.
>
>Well, there are two things to keep in mind.
>
>1. Material we come up with. There is a simple solution. If you
believe
> you have material which you would not want someone else to gain
rights
> to, don't post it to the list -- mail a URL describing how one can
> access it, and keep the files themselves at some other site.
>
>2. Material from other sources posted to the list. So far, IRFCA has
been
> more like a private group and we have sometimes played fast and
loose
> with copyright issues, posting images or text from other sources.
In
> general for a small group one could hand-wave it away as reasonable
> educational use, but if we're potentially making it available in a
> larger setting, we'll have to be a bit more careful. I don't think
> this is a problem, though.
>
>--Satish
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: PG JULIAN RAINBOW <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 03:17:19 -0500


To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move
Reply-to: acha@cs.email
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:48:43 -0700
From: Anurag Acharya <acha@cs.email

All,

I am not sure if such a copyright claim on Intellectual Property
rights would stand up in court if any one of us needed to enrich the
lawyers and fight their stance.

Julian

Folks: I am considering the
possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing list from its current home at
the University of Maryland. Its been two years since I left UMD and
it is getting harder to keep track of the status of the machine(s)
the list lives on. I am also trying to see if I can set up a digest
version of the mailing list. One of the alternatives I am considering
is moving IRFCA to a public mailing list server such as egroups.com.
The advantages are: outages are less likely, the list archive would
be maintained at the server and would be available to members and
subsequent moves would probably be needed less frequently. The
disadvantages are: these servers usually attach a short text ad at
the bottom of the message and the intellectual property issues (they
can keep a copy of the content royalty-free if they like).

I would like to hear from members on this issue.

anurag

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sample Intellectual property text from egroups.com:

You agree that upon posting any material within a group open to the
public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual
property rights, if any, in such material, to use, distribute,
display, reproduce, and create derivative works from such material in
any and all media, in any manner, in whole or part, without any duty
to account to you. You further agree that upon posting any material
within a private, members-only group on the Service, you grant
eGroups, and its successors and assigns, a non-exclusive worldwide,
royalty free, perpetual, non-revocable license under your copyrights
or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to
distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other members of
that group. You also grant eGroups the right to authorize the
downloading and printing in whole or in part of any material that you
have posted to a group on the Service, by endusers for their personal
use.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 03:18:17 -0500


Hello Anurag,
I'm actually quite a novice in these matters, but I would like to state
as below;

1. As long as all of us stay united as a family, as members of a
fraternity, I really do not forsee any problem in moving to a common
e-service provider. As you state, it could make life easier for you as
well. BUT WE WILL MISS YOU!!
It will be just like a family moving home: we are intact, only the place
of residence varies.
2. The ad at the bottom might be regarded as a necessary evil.We will
learn to ignore it after a while.
3. Do we really need to worry so much about copyrights etc? No doubt, we
(at least I do) at times pince GIFs or pics from other sites (non-irfca,
I might hasten to add!!), but the understanding always is, you are free
to use it for any non-commercial purpose. The irfca is not a commercial
organization, so I guess it is still OK.
3, Do we have any problem if anyone saves any of our material and then
uses it elsewhere? We could put up that disclaimer as well: feel free to
use it for non-commercial purposes etc.
4. Would it help if we registered the irfca.com site and took it from
there on? By register I do not mean as a domain (for payment), but with
an e-service provider as a mother site.
5. I'd received an offer from a MSN-based body pertaining to Mike's
Railway History site (the link is on the links page of my superrailway
site) asking whether I'd like to join their mailing list, whenever
updates to the site take place.
Here is hte url for the body: listbot.com

<A HREF="http://www.listbot.com/">http://www.listbot.com/</A>


Its free, they say they will put up only a one line ad, and its from
MSN.
Do check it out, if it will meet our requirements.
Cheers.
Shankar




Anurag Acharya wrote:
>
> Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
> list from its current home at the University of Maryland. Its been two
> years since I left UMD and it is getting harder to keep track of the
> status of the machine(s) the list lives on. I am also trying to see if
> I can set up a digest version of the mailing list. One of the
> alternatives I am considering is moving IRFCA to a public mailing list
> server such as egroups.com. The advantages are: outages are less
> likely, the list archive would be maintained at the server and would
> be available to members and subsequent moves would probably be needed
> less frequently. The disadvantages are: these servers usually attach a
> short text ad at the bottom of the message and the intellectual
> property issues (they can keep a copy of the content royalty-free if
> they like).
>
> I would like to hear from members on this issue.
>
> anurag
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sample Intellectual property text from egroups.com:
>
> You agree that upon posting any material within a group open to the
> public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
> assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
> non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual
> property rights, if any, in such material, to use, distribute,
> display, reproduce, and create derivative works from such material in
> any and all media, in any manner, in whole or part, without any duty
> to account to you. You further agree that upon posting any material
> within a private, members-only group on the Service, you grant
> eGroups, and its successors and assigns, a non-exclusive worldwide,
> royalty free, perpetual, non-revocable license under your copyrights
> or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to
> distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other members of
> that group. You also grant eGroups the right to authorize the
> downloading and printing in whole or in part of any material that you
> have posted to a group on the Service, by endusers for their personal
> use.

From: PG JULIAN RAINBOW <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 05:55:46 -0500


Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:18:17 +0400
From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move
To: acha@cs.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email
Reply-to: shankie@emirates.email
All,

further to what I said earlier I have just noticed that Egroup are
claiming a perpetual license to material. As I understand it in
the UK, although the matter is now complicated by European law,
that copyright exists from 50 years after the death of the
creator. I think European copyright is 75 years, so how these
people can be claiming a perpetual licence is beyond me, well
no its not actually, my suspicous mind is imputing base motives
to them. I think that if any problems were to arise it would be if
anyone wished to publish any work for commercial gain which used
material which had been discussed here.

Julian


Hello Anurag, I'm actually quite a novice in these matters,
but I would like to state as below;

1. As long as all of us stay united as a family, as members of a
fraternity, I really do not forsee any problem in moving to a common
e-service provider. As you state, it could make life easier for you as
well. BUT WE WILL MISS YOU!!
It will be just like a family moving home: we are intact, only the place
of residence varies.
2. The ad at the bottom might be regarded as a necessary evil.We will
learn to ignore it after a while.
3. Do we really need to worry so much about copyrights etc? No doubt, we
(at least I do) at times pince GIFs or pics from other sites (non-irfca,
I might hasten to add!!), but the understanding always is, you are free
to use it for any non-commercial purpose. The irfca is not a commercial
organization, so I guess it is still OK.
3, Do we have any problem if anyone saves any of our material and then
uses it elsewhere? We could put up that disclaimer as well: feel free to
use it for non-commercial purposes etc.
4. Would it help if we registered the irfca.com site and took it from
there on? By register I do not mean as a domain (for payment), but with
an e-service provider as a mother site.
5. I'd received an offer from a MSN-based body pertaining to Mike's
Railway History site (the link is on the links page of my superrailway
site) asking whether I'd like to join their mailing list, whenever
updates to the site take place.
Here is hte url for the body: listbot.com

<A HREF="http://www.listbot.com/">http://www.listbot.com/</A>


Its free, they say they will put up only a one line ad, and its from
MSN.
Do check it out, if it will meet our requirements.
Cheers.
Shankar




Anurag Acharya wrote:
>
> Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
> list from its current home at the University of Maryland. Its been two
> years since I left UMD and it is getting harder to keep track of the
> status of the machine(s) the list lives on. I am also trying to see if
> I can set up a digest version of the mailing list. One of the
> alternatives I am considering is moving IRFCA to a public mailing list
> server such as egroups.com. The advantages are: outages are less
> likely, the list archive would be maintained at the server and would
> be available to members and subsequent moves would probably be needed
> less frequently. The disadvantages are: these servers usually attach a
> short text ad at the bottom of the message and the intellectual
> property issues (they can keep a copy of the content royalty-free if
> they like).
>
> I would like to hear from members on this issue.
>
> anurag
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sample Intellectual property text from egroups.com:
>
> You agree that upon posting any material within a group open to the
> public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
> assigns, a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty free, perpetual,
> non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual
> property rights, if any, in such material, to use, distribute,
> display, reproduce, and create derivative works from such material in
> any and all media, in any manner, in whole or part, without any duty
> to account to you. You further agree that upon posting any material
> within a private, members-only group on the Service, you grant
> eGroups, and its successors and assigns, a non-exclusive worldwide,
> royalty free, perpetual, non-revocable license under your copyrights
> or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to
> distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other members of
> that group. You also grant eGroups the right to authorize the
> downloading and printing in whole or in part of any material that you
> have posted to a group on the Service, by endusers for their personal
> use.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 09:37:48 -0500


Hello,
In that case, I think my MSN listbot url is worth taking a good look at.

<A HREF="http://www.listbot.com/">http://www.listbot.com/</A>

At least this is by MSN.

Cheers.

Shankar



PG JULIAN RAINBOW wrote:
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:18:17 +0400
> From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
> Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move
> To: acha@cs.email
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Reply-to: shankie@emirates.email
> All,
>
> further to what I said earlier I have just noticed that Egroup are
> claiming a perpetual license to material. As I understand it in
> the UK, although the matter is now complicated by European law,
> that copyright exists from 50 years after the death of the
> creator. I think European copyright is 75 years, so how these
> people can be claiming a perpetual licence is beyond me, well
> no its not actually, my suspicous mind is imputing base motives
> to them. I think that if any problems were to arise it would be if
> anyone wished to publish any work for commercial gain which used
> material which had been discussed here.
>
> Julian
>
> Hello Anurag, I'm actually quite a novice in these matters,
> but I would like to state as below;
>
> 1. As long as all of us stay united as a family, as members of a
> fraternity, I really do not forsee any problem in moving to a common
> e-service provider. As you state, it could make life easier for you as
> well. BUT WE WILL MISS YOU!!
> It will be just like a family moving home: we are intact, only the
place
> of residence varies.
> 2. The ad at the bottom might be regarded as a necessary evil.We will
> learn to ignore it after a while.
> 3. Do we really need to worry so much about copyrights etc? No doubt,
we
> (at least I do) at times pince GIFs or pics from other sites
(non-irfca,
> I might hasten to add!!), but the understanding always is, you are
free
> to use it for any non-commercial purpose. The irfca is not a
commercial
> organization, so I guess it is still OK.
> 3, Do we have any problem if anyone saves any of our material and then
> uses it elsewhere? We could put up that disclaimer as well: feel free
to
> use it for non-commercial purposes etc.
> 4. Would it help if we registered the irfca.com site and took it from
> there on? By register I do not mean as a domain (for payment), but
with
> an e-service provider as a mother site.
> 5. I'd received an offer from a MSN-based body pertaining to Mike's
> Railway History site (the link is on the links page of my superrailway
> site) asking whether I'd like to join their mailing list, whenever
> updates to the site take place.
> Here is hte url for the body: listbot.com
>
> <A HREF="http://www.listbot.com/">http://www.listbot.com/</A>
>
> Its free, they say they will put up only a one line ad, and its from
> MSN.
> Do check it out, if it will meet our requirements.
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>
> Anurag Acharya wrote:
> >
> > Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
> > list from its current home at the University of Maryland. Its been
two
> > years since I left UMD and it is getting harder to keep track of the
> > status of the machine(s) the list lives on. I am also trying to see
if
> > I can set up a digest version of the mailing list. One of the
> > alternatives I am considering is moving IRFCA to a public mailing
list
> > server such as egroups.com. The advantages are: outages are less
> > likely, the list archive would be maintained at the server and would
> > be available to members and subsequent moves would probably be
needed
> > less frequently. The disadvantages are: these servers usually attach
a
> > short text ad at the bottom of the message and the intellectual
> > property issues (they can keep a copy of the content royalty-free if
> > they like).
> >
> > I would like to hear from members on this issue.
> >
> > anurag
> >
> >
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> > Sample Intellectual property text from egroups.com:
> >
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> > public on the Service, you grant eGroups, and its successors and
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> > display, reproduce, and create derivative works from such material
in
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> > or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to
> > distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other members of
> > that group. You also grant eGroups the right to authorize the
> > downloading and printing in whole or in part of any material that
you
> > have posted to a group on the Service, by endusers for their
personal
> > use.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Cyprus Railway

Date: 26 Oct 1999 09:39:27 -0500


Hello,
Check out this fascinating url I just came across about the Cyprus
Railway, which is now no longer in existence.
One of the engines very closely resembles the ZA of the Dholpur line.


<A HREF="http://www.ipw.com/cyprus/The_Railway/the_railway.html">http://www.ipw.com/cyprus/The_Railway/the_railway.html</A>

Cheers.

Shankar

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 09:50:17 -0500


Dear Anurag

I see no problem if the IRFCA list is moved to a public
mailing list server. After all, we can always not read
the last line of Advt. message ! Or read it and ignore.

It is ok if the move will be convenient to you. The main
point is that we should continue the IRFCA's exchange
of messages. Not allow it to close down. Personally,
I have become addicted to reading the messages.

As regards the IPR issues, all of us should feel happy
if someone reads our ideas and propagates it further.

So the final decision should be yours.

Regards to all.

S. SRINIVAS

P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but what
is a Digest version of the Mailing list.

=================================

Anurag Acharya wrote:

> Folks: I am considering the possibility of moving the IRFCA mailing
> list from its current home at the University of Maryland. Its been two
> years since I left UMD and it is getting harder to keep track of the
> status of the machine(s) the list lives on.

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: NMR elecfn.

Date: 26 Oct 1999 09:51:34 -0500


Hello everybody.

There has been a lot of views exchanged on the
likely hood/desirability/novelty of NMR electrification.

I do not think that this will be done in the near future.
Maybe, by Y2.1K only, if at all.

The cost will not be limited to the OHE installation.
A lot of tunnels will have to be widened (to enable
masts to erected) and increased in height (to permit
enough clearances). The cost is so prohibitively high
and the traffic so low that Railway Board would never
approve.

The passenger traffic still exists just for the sake of
the charm of travelling in NMR. The goods traffic
has been taken over by trucks a long time ago.
Given an option, IR would like to close the line.

Carrying on with steam is the best one can hope for.

Regards to all.

S. SRINIVAS

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] considering IRFCA mailing list move

Date: 26 Oct 1999 10:09:15 -0500


Listbot seems pretty good. And I don't say that as a Microsoft employee
:) -
I just now learned that it is by run MSN - actually, by the LinkExchange
guys they bought.

I'm not sure what the storage limits of such a site are (how many
maximum
messsages the archives can hold). In the meantime, I'll still run the
archiving stuff on my site, and I can even add some code to my archiver
to
weed out the ad line for messages archived on my site.

I think the #1 issue should be whether everyone can still receive (i.e.
have
sent to them) and send messages to the list in ordinary email.

Regarding Shankar's suggestion of irfca.com, note that we already have
irfca.org registered. Presently, my home does not have DSL service -
once I
have such service, I'll have a dedicated server running 24 hours a day
with
the irfca.org name. We could then use it even for the list service. BTW,
if
anyone else on the list has DSL service and would be willing to host
such a
service (it would probably also require a spare computer) earlier, that
would be fine by me! :)

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: GM-GE G12 model

Date: 26 Oct 1999 10:37:43 -0500


This website seems to imply that all these models, while being HO, are
also
standard gauge (they seem to sell and use standard US Atlas HO track).

G12s are a fairly common export of EMD - check out Larry's EMD export
page
for details. But I'm not sure if G12s are the best place to start on a
WDM2.
While it is true that there are some similarities, particularly with the
Brazilian G12s, there are also a lot of differences, including
significantly
different trucks.

It may be better to start with an Alco C-628 and pieces from an Alco
C-420
and/or SD7/SD9 and go that route. I am considering trying this soon
(although I am presently busy on a WAP1, and have an SD24 waiting to be
WDM4-ized).

-----Original Message-----
From: Zubin Lee [mailto:zubin.lee@vsnl.email
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 9:40 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: GM-GE G12 model


folks,

i located a frateschi model of the G12. look up
<A HREF="http://www.hobbymania.com.br/ferreo/G-12.htm">http://www.hobbymania.com.br/ferreo/G-12.htm</A> for more info. however, the
site is in spanish.

~zubin.

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