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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Want History Lessons?

Date: 10 Oct 1999 19:08:43 -0500


>
> Can i know the history of Frontier MAil(Golden Temple Mail), Punjab
Mail,
> Amritsar Howrah mail and Howrah-Mumbai mail via Allahbad !!!!
>
> Sandeep

Dear Sandeep & gang,

I have some old newspaper cuttings & articles on the history of the
Frontier Mail, Punjab Mail, The Deccan Queen & The Flying Ranee. Send me
your address & I will mail you the xeroxes.

Regards

Viraf.


==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Want History Lessons?

Date: 10 Oct 1999 19:15:07 -0500


Hello Viraf,
Thank you, you have made my day!!
My snail mail address is:

S.Shankar, P.O.Box 2144, Dubai, UAE.

Cheers, and thanks again!

Shankar




VIRAF P.. MULLA wrote:
>
> >
> > Can i know the history of Frontier MAil(Golden Temple Mail), Punjab
Mail,
> > Amritsar Howrah mail and Howrah-Mumbai mail via Allahbad !!!!
> >
> > Sandeep
>
> Dear Sandeep & gang,
>
> I have some old newspaper cuttings & articles on the history of the
> Frontier Mail, Punjab Mail, The Deccan Queen & The Flying Ranee. Send
me
> your address & I will mail you the xeroxes.
>
> Regards
>
> Viraf.
>
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
> ==========================

From: Donald L. Bryan <>

Subject: BOOK

Date: 10 Oct 1999 20:38:47 -0500


I recently watched a program about the rail systems throughout the
world and of particular interest was the rail system in India and the
amount of people that the trains carry through Bombay?? - I am trying
to locate a book about this and I thought the name was Great Train
Bizarre, however, I cannot locate a book of this name - is this the
correct name and if not, what would it be and where can I fine it ?

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Cattle guard.

Date: 10 Oct 1999 23:47:13 -0500


> Snowplows are ordered on all new US power, regardless of where it will
> be operating. Primary reason is that the plow helps shunt the
vehicles
> of idiot motorists out of the way, helping keep the vehicle from
getting
> under the loco and derailing the train. Keeps the train crew from
being
> injured due to the actions of fools who try to beat the train to a
level
> crossing.

In India the danger is really the cattle that can jam under the
locomotive severely damaging
the underframe. Actually the solid cattle guard / snow plow (in the
tropical heat !) must be
an afterthought. The strip type item invariably gets damaged when
confronted with cattle. So
a solid item stands greater chance of remaining intact.
Please note the presence of a 'stone guard' which hangs below the cattle
guard, hopefully
clearing the rail of smaller obstacles before they come under the
wheels. The drivers
religiously check the clearance of this stone guard and the rail before
accepting the loco
at the shed.
The loco often becomes immobilized as the brake pipes also get damaged.
However I saw a picture of a 'new' WCM 5 (picture dated 1963) and that
had a solid cattle
guard.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Thames Turbo ?

Date: 11 Oct 1999 00:01:25 -0500


> It is more than just the coroners that they are waiting for. Coach H
was in an
> unstable condition and was deemed to be dangerous to enter.

Here too the instructions on the IR are quite clear - topple the
carriage and clear
the line first. The ghat sections (where derailments are frequent) are
littered with
toppled wagons by the side of the track. The wrecks lie there for many
years before
any attempt is made salvage the rakes. The tracks are too busy to stop
the traffic to
recover these fallen vehicles. I think the BR was caught napping about
the
possibility of such an accident. While the breakdown crew are almost
always on the
alert on the IR. I have seen the inside of the BD rake at Hotgi Jn
(Viraf was there
too) - they have pneumatic bags to lift the derailed rakes (I think this
equipment is
known as 'Lucas') and hydraulic jacks too. There is a complete facility
for the crew
of stay on site for a long period. We saw the tins of sugar, tea, sacks
of potatoes,
onions etc.
The newer accident relief rakes are self contained and self propelled
and will reach
the accident site faster. This includes the self propelled diesel
powered Gottwald
crane made at Jamalpur.

Apurva

From: Royston Ellis <>

Subject: Re: BOOK

Date: 11 Oct 1999 00:26:04 -0500


At 22:38 10/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I recently watched a program about the rail systems throughout the
>world and of particular interest was the rail system in India and the
>amount of people that the trains carry through Bombay?? - I am trying
>to locate a book about this and I thought the name was Great Train
>Bizarre, however, I cannot locate a book of this name - is this the
>correct name and if not, what would it be and where can I fine it ?
>

You will probably get lots of replies to this. Of course, I'd like to
recommend my own book INDIA BY RAIL, Bradt Travel Guides (41 Nortoft
Road,
Chalfont St Peter, Bucks SL90LA, England, fax: 44 1494 873478; email
<bradtpublications@compuserve.email also available through amazon.com.

The Great Train Bazaar which you mention (by Paul Theroux) does include
narrative (fictitious???) accounts of rail travel in India but not such
facts that you seem to be seeking.

Regards
Royston Ellis

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Return to Katpadi

Date: 11 Oct 1999 01:13:40 -0500


Ahh !

Just the correct size. Please redo your site with this size of the
pictures. Gang check out the
pic of the YDM doing the curve out of Katpadi.

Apurva

Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:

> Apurva,
> I can only scan prints at 150dpi, this is a color slide. I did it at
> 1200dpi and tried to get as close as possible to the 800x600. If you
> want it done again, please let me know.
>
> Tim
>
> <A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/katpado.jpg">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/katpado.jpg</A>
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > I would like you to scan them to 150 DPI and 800 X 600 and reupload
them to your website.
> > Keep the name remains the same, hence the HTML would work just as
well. If you have
> > framed the vertical picture with just the YDM 4 nose and the lower
quadrant signal, the I
> > would request you to scan it full without cropping. I would like
that picture in full to
> > be on my desktop for many weeks. Also the telephoto of the rake at
the opposite end of
> > the 180 degrees curve is mind blowing.
> > My mailbox is too small to receive pictures by mail, hence the
request to reupload on the
> > same site.
> >
> > Apurva
> >
> >
> >

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: BOOK

Date: 11 Oct 1999 01:17:27 -0500




Royston Ellis wrote:

> At 22:38 10/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I recently watched a program about the rail systems throughout the
> >world and of particular interest was the rail system in India and the
> >amount of people that the trains carry through Bombay?? - I am trying
> >to locate a book about this and I thought the name was Great Train
> >Bizarre, however, I cannot locate a book of this name - is this the
> >correct name and if not, what would it be and where can I fine it ?

The name just cannot be 'Bizarre', however terrible the Indian Railway
is !
Welcome back to Royston. There was an inquiry about railways in Sri
Lanka a
couple of days back. If you have not seen it, I could forward it to you.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: libraries in trains

Date: 11 Oct 1999 01:23:25 -0500


Unofficial libraries exist from time to time on the Sinhagad, Deccan
Queen etc
A person sells old mags at scrap price and buys them back from you at
the end
of the journey for 'time pass'.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Diesel - Electric ?

Date: 11 Oct 1999 01:27:51 -0500


Gang !

Check out the picture of a Diesel Electric loco which has been converted
for pure electric operation by adding a panto.
<A HREF="http://www.560.simplenet.com/html/pc_photos_7.html">http://www.560.simplenet.com/html/pc_photos_7.html</A>
Any details on this power ? Must be a to beat the noise and smoke
pollution laws in the US. Was the diesel prime mover removed totally ?
Or is this an electro - diesel ?

Apurva

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Diesel - Electric ?

Date: 11 Oct 1999 02:08:04 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Any details on this power ?

Despite the startling appearance, the PRR
E-types were actually designed and built as
dedicated electric locos, and not converted
from diesel.

--
JS
--

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: RM Railways

Date: 11 Oct 1999 02:28:50 -0500


> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:50:13 +0400
> From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
> Subject: Re: RM Railways
> To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
> Cc: Malcolm MacKillop <mdmackillop@zetnet.email IRFCA
<irfca@cs.email
> Reply-to: shankie@emirates.email

> Hello,
> I think RMR stands for Rajputana-Malwa Railway.
> Cheers.
> Shankar

Yes, thats right. And you will find a steam loco bearing the
original livery of RMR at NRM. Viraf, I think we saw and photographed
this loco.

Sarosh

>
>
>
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> >
> > Malcolm,
> >
> > Thanks for visiting my website. I take liberty to forward your mail
to
> > my 'support group' (for Indian Railway addiction :-)) the Indian
> > Railway Fan Club Association (the IRFCA) where a more comprehensive
> > answer to your query may be found.
> >
> > Dear Gang,
> >
> > What is the RM Railways ? The Rajsthan and Marwar ? There was a link
> > earlier on the IRFCA which led to an archive of non Indian persons
> > working on the Indian Railways. Any other suggestions for Malcolm ?
> >
> > Apurva
> >
> > Malcolm MacKillop wrote:
> >
> > Apurva Bahadur ,
> >
> > I see from your web page that you are interested in
> > railways.
> >
> > My cousin is researching family history and has heard that
> > our grandmother's brother named Isaac Deans was employed as
> > an engine driver with RM Railways in India, probably around
> > 1920-1930. Do you know anything of this company? eg where
> > it operated? Any information would be of interest.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Malcolm MacKillop
>
>

From: Shantanu Sen <>

Subject: Re: BOOK

Date: 11 Oct 1999 03:31:54 -0500


I think you mean " The Great Railway Bazaar" by Paul Theroux, published
by Penguins

-- Shantanu


Donald L. Bryan wrote:

> I recently watched a program about the rail systems throughout the
> world and of particular interest was the rail system in India and the
> amount of people that the trains carry through Bombay?? - I am trying
> to locate a book about this and I thought the name was Great Train
> Bizarre, however, I cannot locate a book of this name - is this the
> correct name and if not, what would it be and where can I fine it ?

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Diesel Crane spotted

Date: 11 Oct 1999 03:48:33 -0500


Gang !

Just back from the Pune Jn. to see someone off on the Deccan Express to
Mumbai.
There is a massive 70 tonne diesel crane of the SCR stabled in the Up
yard today. It has a name 'Krishna' and is spread over three rail
vehicles. One is used to hold the jib while one seems to contain a large
counterweight on the rear vehicle. Did not have time to check out the
details, may go there tomorrow as well.
Also spotted Kazipet WDM 2B # 16714. This loco looked wet (it has rained
hard quite recently), but even after sometime it still looked wet, on a
closer inspection I saw that the entire carbody, roof and the cab sides
were coated with a layer of oil ! What is 'B' about this WDM 2, I do not
know. What I can say is that the 'B' was painted as an afterthought in a
different shade of white. There was an electric motor and a blower
hidden under the catwalk near the brake cylinder. Maybe that is what the
'B' is all about (cyclone air filters ? I have seen motor + blower
fitted on top of the catwalk on some Gooty locos, but this is the first
time for the under frame fitment)

The incessant rain has created a lot of mud (naturally !) at Pune Jn.
The slow exit of the Deccan Express over the crossover lines (half
buried in liquid mud) was a delight to see. Every time the heavy wheels
went over the wooden sleepered rails, the sinking permanent way squished
the mud out, only to return in the hole when the 'no wheels' portion of
the rake was over the section.

Shanku - the WCAM 3 has 4 MU connectors ! The item labeled as 5 in your
annotated picture is indeed the MU connector.
Ref:
<A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/test/wap3img.jpg">http://threshold.simplenet.com/test/wap3img.jpg</A>

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: libraries in trains

Date: 11 Oct 1999 06:18:35 -0500


Hi all,

>incidentally the gitanjali express used to have a library earlier...
Even the Navjeevan used to have a library housed for the A/C coach
passengers. This was quite sometime back may be around 15 years back
when
the route was through Manmad. I remember my uncle getting a book from
there
after paying a deposit like what Samit said.
I beleive even T.N exp housed a library.

regards,
Anand

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From: Henry Posner III <>

Subject: Re: Diesel - Electric ?

Date: 11 Oct 1999 06:39:12 -0500


The loco is an E44-a straight electric built for freight service for the
Pennsylvania Railroad, which became Penn Central, which became Conrail,
which (in electrified territory) became Norfolk Southern.

Electric freight operation on Conrail ceased in 1981 due to diversion of
freight trains off Amtrak-owned electrified lines onto Conrail-owned
non-electrified lines.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Apurva Bahadur [SMTP:iti@vsnl.email
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 4:28 AM
> To: IRFCA
> Subject: Diesel - Electric ?
>
> Gang !
>
> Check out the picture of a Diesel Electric loco which has been
converted
> for pure electric operation by adding a panto.
> <A HREF="http://www.560.simplenet.com/html/pc_photos_7.html">http://www.560.simplenet.com/html/pc_photos_7.html</A>
> Any details on this power ? Must be a to beat the noise and smoke
> pollution laws in the US. Was the diesel prime mover removed totally ?
> Or is this an electro - diesel ?
>
> Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Newpaper scrapbook

Date: 11 Oct 1999 06:51:15 -0500


Gang !

Taking cue from what Shankar is doing, I have resolved to put on the web
as many pics of IR that can be found in the newspaper and the mags that
I come across. Starting with the pic of an accident - the derailment of
an EMU rake at Badlapur.
Go to
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/index.htm</A>
and click on the 'IR in the newspapers and mags' link at the end.

Apurva

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Cattle guard

Date: 11 Oct 1999 07:11:39 -0500




Dear Apurva & gang,

I had once seen a WDM2 after it had hit a buffalo enroute. This was
bringing in
the TN Exp. in the days when it had cream and red livery, single headed,
13
coaches. The whole front of the engine (short hood leading naturally)
was
covered in brown, and they had lost one of the buffers. You can imagine
what
would have happened when you hit a 300 kg.buffalo at 120 kmph. The
drivers.
believe me, were scared. They had left the buffer lying wherever it was
- too
heavy to cart into the engine.

So cattle guards are useful only at speeds below 60 kmph. Anything
higher than
that and the cattle guard would itself become dangerous as far as the
engine is
concerned.

Regards

Raymond

From: Karthik Giddu <>

Subject: [Fwd: Photo of Overhead Railway track systems for Chennai Subway

Date: 11 Oct 1999 07:15:56 -0500


If anyone has some photos of the same, mail Lai Chee at
CLai@frharris.email
Karthik

From: Shohei HARA <>

Subject: NAMASTE! Back in Japan

Date: 11 Oct 1999 07:28:42 -0500


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