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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 27 Sep 1999 11:34:08 -0500


Sundar ...

I didn't check this up recently but I thought that Diva - Panvel - JNPT
is
DC. Infact just after elecrification a few years back, CR plied their
Diva
Panvel section with WCM engines.

Recent travels on this stretch indicates quite an unusual number of
Valsad
WCAM1 and WCAM2P locos heading freight trains.

Belapur - Panvel is still entirely single line .... took it just
yesterday
....

Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <sundar@spyring.email
To: <vbalasubramanian@softrax.email
Cc: <rajanmathew@telebot.email <smg@godrej.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: CR suburban TT


> Hello Folks
>
> About the CR Suburban line being extended to Khopoli - one striking
thing
> about it is that the Karjat-Khopoli line is perhaps the only
single-line
> stretch route outside Mumbai where DC EMUs ply - (is the local line to
> Panvel double-tracked beyond Khandeshwar?). Previously I guess it was
WDS4
> hauled passengers from Karjat that used this route. The line branches
off
> after Palasdhari rather than Karjat and here is one of my pics at
> <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics/mypic14.jpg">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics/mypic14.jpg</A> that Apurva rates
tops
> :-) The 6339 Nagercoil Exp is waiting for a free line to climb the
Bhor
> Ghat outside Palasdhari and I walked 12 coaches up on the tracks to
snap
> our need-of-an-overhaul WCM/5 and just as I was on the button - a
Khopoli
> EMU showed up behind! My *luck* !!
>
> Another pic is at <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics/mypic32.jpg">http://members.xoom.com/sundar/itg/pics/mypic32.jpg</A>.
The
> same express train now climbs the ghat and the Khopoli EMU now skirts
the
> foothill on its route to Khopoli. This pic could've been better with a
2x
> or a 4x zoom camera :-(
>
> And about the AC Catenary, Vijay - it is Diva Jn in particular that I
was
> mentioning - the KR platforms are 25 KV AC electrified and its gonna
be
> WCAMx that would do this route. I love the Diva-Dombivli stretch -
walked
> the distance may times in the past beside the tracks. Nowadays anybody
> would suspect me to be a stone thrower :-(
>
> Sundar
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> sundar@spyring.email <A HREF="http://sundar.cjb.net">http://sundar.cjb.net</A>
> ICQ: 3159776 Tel (O): 1-800-400 8686 x 118
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Only the Paranoid Survive - Andrew Grove, intel
>

From: Sridhar Shankar <>

Subject: Re: SR News.

Date: 27 Sep 1999 11:58:15 -0500



>
>>He spotted WDP2 all over the SR network right till KK & found it's
>>dual cabin very spacious which can accomodated 10 persons "AARAMSE".
> Can you just ask your friend which were the trains that were
hauled
>by this new beast of IR. Kanyakumari Exp was one train for sure. I am
yet to
>see a WDP2 in Chennai. Where does the change take place in case they do
not
>travel till chennai?

Anand,

Just go down to Egmore around 5.45 PM to catch the departure of
Kanyakumari
Express ( with the WDP2 in charge).

-Sridhar

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Chronology of electric locos. in India

Date: 27 Sep 1999 12:20:40 -0500


> 1957 - ER introduced 25 kV AC traction on its main line routes out of
Howrah
> and Sealdah terminii. [was Howrah-Burdwan converted to 25 KV AC
> simultaneously?]

Howrah - Asansol 25kV electrification together with Howrah- Burdwan via
Main and
Sheoraphuli - Tarakeshwar conversion happened about 1960. Sealdah
Division circa
1960 or slightly later. 1957 was Asansol to Mughal Sarai via Grand Chord
in
stages.

Similarly SER 25kV electrification initially was Kharagpur and West.
Howrah -
Kharagpur was completed later.

> The first 100 BBM/1 class of AC elec. locos arrived in
> India from the 50 Cycles Group of Europe, France. These locos. were
simple
> Bo-Bo type for mixed traffic duty. The loco. was "full forward" in
design
> and appearance and it introduced the Faivley one-armed pantograph on
IR.
> The BBM/1 class was introduced on ER and SER. [what class are these
locos?]

WAG1?

Jishnu

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Daulatram Industries

Date: 27 Sep 1999 13:14:05 -0500


Folks,

Not sure if this link has been publicized on this list before, but check
out
the Daulatram Industries home page at
<A HREF="http://www.daulatram.com">http://www.daulatram.com</A>

The company produces dynamic braking resistors for various IR locos, and
their site has several nice photographs.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: IR-related links - updates

Date: 27 Sep 1999 13:46:20 -0500


Some of these have been published here in the past, but here goes:

"A ride in the engine" by Amitabha Mukherjee
(A great essay on riding the rails the best way, near Pune)
<A HREF="http://www.cs.albany.edu/~amit/essays/engine.html">http://www.cs.albany.edu/~amit/essays/engine.html</A>

RDSO website:
<A HREF="http://www.rdso.org/index.html">http://www.rdso.org/index.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rdso.org/rdsonews.html">http://www.rdso.org/rdsonews.html</A> (Current research projects include
better
suburban services, and high-speed 250-300kph service)
<A HREF="http://www.rdso.org/dir_el.html">http://www.rdso.org/dir_el.html</A> (electric locos, contains picture of
oddly
liveried WAP4)
<A HREF="http://www.rdso.org/dir_mp.html">http://www.rdso.org/dir_mp.html</A> (info/pix on diesel locos, including
BG/MG
railbuses)

Guide to Rolling Stock Operating personnel for electric locos, from IR
Institute of engineering:
<A HREF="http://www.irieen.com/infotro.htm">http://www.irieen.com/infotro.htm</A>

Power info from 3-phase locos (from IRIEEN site):
<A HREF="http://www.irieen.com/3phaselocodata.htm">http://www.irieen.com/3phaselocodata.htm</A>

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Visit to South Station

Date: 27 Sep 1999 13:53:29 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian I doubt whether Amtrak will be able to
introduce its
> high-speed ACELA service by October of this year.
>
> Vijay

Vijay,

You are correct. The Acela will not be operating by Oct. MAYBE spring
2000. There is a court battle of sorts between the designer, a German
Co., and Bombardier of Montreal Canada because of excessive wear on the
wheels. Right now everyone is pointing fingers at each other. It will be
a great day here in the states when SOMETHING arrives "on time".

Regards, Tim

PS Source of info, Business Weekly Mag.

From: S Pai <>

Subject: query : IR in Jamaica

Date: 27 Sep 1999 16:06:32 -0500



Forwarded message below. Please include NXRODNEY@ctrl.email in your
replies.

--Satish

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From: "Rodney, N" <NXRODNEY@ctrl.email
To: "'owner-irfca@cs.email <owner-irfca@cs.email
Subject: FW: re
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:22:22 +0100

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodney, N
> Sent: 27 September 1999 17:21
> To: 'owner_irfca@cs.email
> Subject: re
>
>
> RE India Railways
>
> Have you any information on India Railways involvement in Jamaica ??
>
> Regards
>
>
> Nick Rodney
>
> Railtrack Interfaces
>

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Park Trains

Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:07:32 -0500


>
>
> In Baroda, I got a real blast out of the toy train in Sayaji Bagh park
(in
> the centre of the city, not far from the rail station and the
University of
> Baroda). It runs on an extremely narrow gauge, perhaps the narrowest
gauge
> in all of India. Couldn't have been more than 18 inches or 50 cm.
>
> Is there a toy train in Kamala Nehru Park in Bombay? As I recall, it
had
> such a well-equipped children's playground.

Hello Mike,

I had seen the Baroda's toy train when it was steam powered. It was
recently (2 years) converted to diesel.

Kamala Nehru Park doesn't have a toy train. But I believe that there
used
to be a toy train at Lion's Park - Khar.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Park Trains

Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:12:21 -0500


> I have been on this one during my last trip to India - an enjoyable
ride.
> There is another Hindi song on a 'park' train
> in Amar Akbar Anthony - ' ....humko tunse ho gaya hai pyar.... ' -
> picturized on Rishi and Neetu. Where was it shot?

Vijay,

Shriniwas & myself are talking about the same song picturized on
Rishi & Neetu in the Borivali National Park.

Viraf



==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Visit to South Station

Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:28:02 -0500


Right now everyone is pointing fingers at each other. It will be
> a great day here in the states when SOMETHING arrives "on time".

...and I thought such things happen only in India.

Viraf.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Chronology of electric locos. in India

Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:35:43 -0500


>
> 1929 - SLM supplied the first passenger elec. loco of EA/1 class to
the GIP.
> This loco. had the 2-Co-1 wheel arrangement and was "full forward" in
> appearance. Bulk supplies were from Vulcan Foundary/Metro. Vickers,
> England. The first EA/1 was named "Sir Roger Lumley". Max. speed was
136
> kmph. Later, in the 1970s, CR classified these locos. as WCP1. Only
two of
> these vintage locos. have been preserved [NRM and ??].


The other one is at the Nehru Science Centre - Mahalaxmi. The other side
of Bombay Race Course.

Viraf

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Chronology of electric locos. in India

Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:41:53 -0500




Dear Vijay,

Good to be parochial!!! - so where has IR hidden the poor old YAM-1?
Maybe
out-of-site, out-of-mind. I don't think I have seen any loco sway as
much as a
YAM-1 at 100 kmph.

Regards

Raymond

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Park Trains

Date: 27 Sep 1999 22:31:19 -0500


Viraf
Do you know where the steam loco is nowadays and in what
condition?!!? I recall it being a 15" gauge. Isn't it?

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrej.email
To: Mike Brooker <aum108@idirect.email
Cc: Indian Railway Fan Club <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Park Trains


>>
>>
>> In Baroda, I got a real blast out of the toy train in Sayaji Bagh
park
(in
>> the centre of the city, not far from the rail station and the
University
of
>> Baroda). It runs on an extremely narrow gauge, perhaps the narrowest
gauge
>> in all of India. Couldn't have been more than 18 inches or 50 cm.
>>
>> Is there a toy train in Kamala Nehru Park in Bombay? As I recall,
it
had
>> such a well-equipped children's playground.
>
>Hello Mike,
>
>I had seen the Baroda's toy train when it was steam powered. It was
>recently (2 years) converted to diesel.
>
>Kamala Nehru Park doesn't have a toy train. But I believe that there
used
>to be a toy train at Lion's Park - Khar.
>
>Viraf
>==========================
>Viraf Mulla
>C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
>Borivali (West)
>Mumbai 400103
>Tel: +91-22-8954510
>E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
>==========================
>
>

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Train songs!!

Date: 27 Sep 1999 23:12:14 -0500


NO, it's some romantic comedy thing, I think.

It wasn't burning train - I know that movie.

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Table Train

Date: 27 Sep 1999 23:17:02 -0500




HI!

> In Baroda, I got a real blast out of the toy train in Sayaji Bagh park
(in
> the centre of the city, not far from the rail station and the
University of
> Baroda). It runs on an extremely narrow gauge, perhaps the narrowest
gauge
> in all of India. Couldn't have been more than 18 inches or 50 cm.
>
> Is there a toy train in Kamala Nehru Park in Bombay? As I recall, it
had
> such a well-equipped children's playground.


The Gwalior Palace of MadhavRao Scindia is having a silver train set
which goes around the dining table . It carries foodies on each
carriages
& goes around . The guests can feed themselves from it. This was shown ,
during the WorldCup Match- side shots when many players were hosted a
meal at the palace.

Bye,

Shrinivas

( PS. Sorry Viraf for bringing in cricket on our group discussion, but
this train set you will love very much. Had you seen it?, when shown on
TV
during the match telecast. I doubt, very much . May be Junior Mulla had
seen it!!)

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Briganza Ghat!!

Date: 27 Sep 1999 23:35:21 -0500



Hi!

Read in newspaper yesterday, The Briganza ghat connecting Vasco to
Londha
will be thrown open for passenger traffic in a months time. Thus Goa
will
be linked from 3 sides to rest of India. Similar to Mumbai. Isn't it?

Today's TOI, Mumbai has a colour photo of 2 Women drivers riding a
WCAM/3
loco no 21938 And the names are Surekha Yadav & Mumtaz. This duo is
doing
the duty on goods movement around Mumbai these days. Hopefully they do
the
passenger trains in near future. Great!!


Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: SR News.

Date: 28 Sep 1999 02:02:11 -0500


Hi Shankar,
Thats a great news. Thanx for the info, i will surely be off
to
Egmore the next time i travel to Chennai.

Kind regards,
anand


>From: Sridhar Shankar <sshanka@gsbalum.email
>To: "Anand Krishnan" <krish_nand@hotmail.email sncf@godrej.email
>irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: SR News.
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:58:15 -0500
>
>
> >
> >>He spotted WDP2 all over the SR network right till KK & found it's
> >>dual cabin very spacious which can accomodated 10 persons "AARAMSE".
> > Can you just ask your friend which were the trains that were

>hauled
> >by this new beast of IR. Kanyakumari Exp was one train for sure. I am
yet
>to
> >see a WDP2 in Chennai. Where does the change take place in case they
do
>not
> >travel till chennai?
>
>Anand,
>
>Just go down to Egmore around 5.45 PM to catch the departure of
Kanyakumari
>Express ( with the WDP2 in charge).
>
>-Sridhar

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Does the Alleppey to Kayankulam link still exist?

Date: 28 Sep 1999 03:16:26 -0500


Could anyone tell me please if the Alleppey to Kayankulam link still
exists (SR,BG)?

Here are the stations. I would love interstation distances, please!

Alleppey,Punnapra,Ambalapuzha,Thakazhi,Karuvatta,Haripad,Cheppad,Kayanku
lam Jn.



Harsh said:
> Dear Larry,
> Q. What GOI railway map do you refer to? I believe that it is the
railway
> map published by `Survey of India', or is it something else.


"Railway Map of India"
14th Edition 1:3,500,000
Published under direction of Surveyor General of India, 1989
( c ) GOI


Thanks


Regards to all

Larry

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From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Does the Alleppey to Kayankulam link still exist?

Date: 28 Sep 1999 03:43:07 -0500




Larry,

Yes it does. Why this doubt. I travelled by the Ernakulam Trivandrum
Express in
February this year. I shall send you the readings from the SR TT
tomorrow.

Regards

Raymond

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Does the Alleppey to Kayankulam link still exist?

Date: 28 Sep 1999 04:09:08 -0500


Timetable for line appears in December 1995 Bradshaw -but no distances.
Line appears in SR TT map 1989 as under construction.
John Lacey

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