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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: Train songs!!

Date: 24 Sep 1999 13:27:20 -0500


Hello Anne

Well - I recommend Putani Express - the fun train running at Cubbon Park
in
the center of Bangalore. I was hooked to this train from the time I rode
it
as a kid and keep going back to it everytime I stop over at Bangalore.
Another attraction close to this place is the Visvesvaraya(?) Museum of
Science with its steam exhibit....

I guess many amusement parks (Esselworld/Appu Ghar) have their arcade
type
of trains with miniature gauges and gasoline fired locomotives... on
second
thoughts - I used to think Roller Coasters are warped trains on tracks
with
the craziest gradients ;-)

Sundar

> Some years ago when I was first studying hindi I
> watched some forgettable movie where the young
> couple sings their love while riding atop a park train
> - much like the 'children's train' in the NRM.
> Anybody have any idea what this movie was, or where
> the scene was shot?
>
> I like 'park trains' , as I ran one as a high school student
> for pocket money.
>
> So, changing topics - can anyone recommend any fun 'park
> trains' in India?
>
> Annie

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From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Summary of Route-kms (by Gauge) for IR - Errors?

Date: 24 Sep 1999 13:44:21 -0500


SER current scenario is

Route Kilometers
BG - 6025.215 Km
MG - 0 Km
NG(2' 6") - 1254.278 Km
NG(2'0") - 0 Km

Total is - 7279.493 Km

Source System Map as on 31-3-98

Harsh

>These are the statistics derived only from my database - for the routes
totalled below, I have acquired the names of all intermediate stations
and
all the interstation distances (as well as latitude-longitude data for
all
the c1000 relevant "node" stations).
>
>MG->BG, of course, indicates gauge conversion. It is assumed for this
summary that where BG and MG lie together (identical stations passed),
it is
counted only in MG->BG whether or not any gauge conversion work is
actually
taking place.
>
>
> SUMMARY OF ROUTE-KMS FOR INDIAN RAILWAYS
>
>
>In kms BG MG->BG MG NG TOTAL
>CR 6241 1027 7268
>ER 3945 133 4078
>KR 755 755
>NEFR 1176 131 2188 88 3583
>NER 2268 23 2818 5109
>NR 8914 480 1630 11024
>SCR 5247 981 946 7174
>SER 5904 1288 7192
>SR 4300 569 1875 131 6875
>WR 4013 577 4333 777 9700
>TOTAL 42763 2761 12160 5074 62758
>
>
>In %age BG MG->BG MG NG TOTAL
>CR 9.945% 1.636% 11.581%
>ER 6.286% 0.212% 6.498%
>KR 1.203% 1.203%
>NEFR 1.874% 0.209% 3.486% 0.140% 5.709%
>NER 3.614% 0.037% 4.490% 8.141%
>NR 14.204% 0.765% 2.597% 17.566%
>SCR 8.361% 1.563% 1.507% 11.431%
>SER 9.408% 2.052% 11.460%
>SR 6.852% 0.907% 2.988% 0.209% 10.955%
>WR 6.394% 0.919% 6.904% 1.238% 15.456%
>TOTAL 68.140% 4.399%19.376% 8.085% *100%*
>
>Note: Calcutta Metro (18 kms) is ignored here.
>ALSO: Where I do not have interstation distances, I have excluded the
route. I posted a list yesterday titled "Anyone have these
Inter-Station
Distances, please? (UPDATE)" giving all the missing ones - PLEASE HELP
IF
YOU HAVE OLDER TIMETABLES OR BRADSHAWS)!
>
>Do these figures seem believable? Any obvious errors, please? Some of
the
2761 kms of "MG->BG" may well now just be "BG" - which railways should I
focus on (and list the actual lines for someone with firsthand data to
clarify)? Even, some of the "MG" may now be "BG" - again, which
railways
should I focus on, in the light of the data above?
>
>
>
>Regards to all
>
>Larry
>
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From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...

Date: 24 Sep 1999 13:54:55 -0500


Further to the last mail - Another movie with a IR steam shot I saw
recently
was in `Godmother'. And guess what this tiny momentarily shot was done
on
the rail cum road bridge of Morbi!
In fact most of the film has been shot in Morbi and surrounding area.

Quite interesting for those who have visited and maybe even for others -
the
movie is well recommended.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Harsh Vardhan <hvc@vsnl.email
To: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...


>Dear Shri,
> Gurdaspur never had any direct link to Lahore in
west
>Punjab before partition also. You had to come through Amritsar and
cross
>over (to what is now Pakistan) at Attari. It is very much the same
today
>although the only direct daily train to Lahore starts from Amritsar.
>
>Iam yet to see this movie(but intend to). Was it a BG loco shown?
Could've
>been shot in Pakistan then!
>regards,
>
>Harsh
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
>To: Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email
>Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 10:14 PM
>Subject: Earth-1947 & Trains...
>
>
>>
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Last night watched Earth-1947, the latest movie here in India. It has
only
>>one shot of our dear Train. The scene is as follows:
>>
>>During the partition days, trains were the main transport medium.Amir
Khan,
>>playing a Lahori young man is waiting for a train from Gurdaspur which
is
>to
>>bring in his sisters. He is at the platform for more than 12
hours,later
>the
>>train is shown arriving in .
>>
>>The loco is a steam loco, with powerful headlights , emitting black
smoke
>in
>>the night sky. But pity is that what the train brings in are the dead
>bodies
>>from across the border, ie from India.The moment he hurls the doors
open,he
>can
>>sense blood all over the floor & his dear ones too are not spared.
>>
>>
>>So, few point which came to my mind about trains in those days are:
>>
>>In those days Gurdaspur-Lahore line was open.So is it the same as the
one
>we
>>have today,ie across the Wagha border point? And the loco shown is the
one
>>without the smoke deflectors. Is it pertaining to that era?
>>
>>Can anyone reading this mail throw light on this? Ofcourse many
like-to
>>name a few Harsh, Viraf & Appu will .
>>
>>Bye,
>>
>>Shrinivas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

From: Larry Russell <>

Subject: Stolen diesel

Date: 24 Sep 1999 14:06:57 -0500


After a little research (and some kind prompts from IRFCA member Shanku
Niyogi) I have come up with a list of possibilities. These are the
candidates, and members of the list can try to narrow it down from their
own observations! The list was prepaired from my data base with the
criteria being built before the 1965 war and WDM2 model (RSD-29)
here they are:
18040-18047,
18049-18079,
18112-18115,
18117-18144,
18146-18152,
18154-18220,
18222-18280,
18282-18322,
18324-18326,
18328-18342,
18344-18355,
18358-18370,
18372
One of these supposedly became Pakistan Western Ry. 3770 (Then Pakistan
Ry. 3770) and was rebuilt in 1976.
Lets see if anyone has seen any of the above numbers, to strike them
from the list! All help would be appreciated. IR, DLW and PR would know
for sure which one it is. The missing numbers from this list have
already been accounted for by IRFCA photos or my own.
Larry Russell.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Train songs!!

Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:09:12 -0500


>
> The other song on the same theme is from Brahmachari... SaverevaliGadi
se
> chale jayange...

Dear Shri,

This song is not from Brahmachari but from a Shammi Kapoor & Nutan
Starrer whose name I can't recollect. I think it was Laat Saheb.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...

Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:27:06 -0500


On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Harsh Vardhan wrote:

> Dear Shri,
> Gurdaspur never had any direct link to Lahore in
west
> Punjab before partition also. You had to come through Amritsar and
cross
> over (to what is now Pakistan) at Attari. It is very much the same
today
> although the only direct daily train to Lahore starts from Amritsar.
>
> Iam yet to see this movie(but intend to). Was it a BG loco shown?
Could've
> been shot in Pakistan then!
> regards,
>
> Harsh
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
> To: Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email
> Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 10:14 PM
> Subject: Earth-1947 & Trains...
>
>
> >
> >
> >Hi!
> >
> >Last night watched Earth-1947, the latest movie here in India. It has
only
> >one shot of our dear Train. The scene is as follows:
> >
> >During the partition days, trains were the main transport medium.Amir
Khan,
> >playing a Lahori young man is waiting for a train from Gurdaspur
which is
> to
> >bring in his sisters. He is at the platform for more than 12
hours,later
> the
> >train is shown arriving in .
> >
> >The loco is a steam loco, with powerful headlights , emitting black
smoke
> in
> >the night sky. But pity is that what the train brings in are the dead
> bodies
> >from across the border, ie from India.The moment he hurls the doors
open,he
> can
> >sense blood all over the floor & his dear ones too are not spared.
> >
> >
> >So, few point which came to my mind about trains in those days are:
> >
> >In those days Gurdaspur-Lahore line was open.So is it the same as the
one
> we
> >have today,ie across the Wagha border point? And the loco shown is
the one
> >without the smoke deflectors. Is it pertaining to that era?
> >
> >Can anyone reading this mail throw light on this? Ofcourse many
like-to
> >name a few Harsh, Viraf & Appu will .
> >
> >Bye,
> >
> >Shrinivas
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

PORAS SAKLATWALLA


Gang,
Have u seen the song from the film Mast. O men if u have still not seen
then see it THe actor and actress dance on the railway lines and behind
them is a STEAM LOCO ! they also climb on the footboard and dance.
Could
someone throw light and tell me whether this is a BG or MG loco ?

Coming to names of the trains there used to be a lucknow exp betweenn VT
and lucknow and now that train is known as Kushinagar Exp. It used to be
15dn/16up and used to depart at 11.15 am from VT.

I have always been fascinated by the name of the train on the 1st and
the
last coach with nos written. Unfortunately IR is not consistent in
displaying these boards vv often, though of late there is improvement.

However what thrilled me earlier was the name of the train on the
engine.
Very few locos that hauled Calcutta Mail, Gitanjali Express, Rajdhani
and
the DEccan Queen to name a few were practising this. But all of a sudden
it stopped ! What I had noticed was that CR was more regular in this
practice than its other counterpart WR. WR I think used to be regular
only on Raj and later AK Raj exp. Great, fantastic, beautiful,
majestic...... I am at a loss of words to describe this particular
feature
on the Raj. I had once caught the Raj from Baroda and when the train
entered on dot at Baroda the double headed Raj with its name plate on
the
loco literally made me feel great and bought tears in my eyes !

Folks your feedback pls !

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Train songs!!

Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:35:33 -0500


Hello,
I'm not much of a movie goer (or movie lover for that matter), but I
think the song you refer to is from the movie 'The Burning Train'. Its
not one, but TWO couples. Yes, the two men actually ride ATOP the toy
train, and one of them jumps off while in motion.
There are quite a few sequences shot in the nrm in that movie.
Notwithstanding that, it wasn't much of a movie. ITs a runaway train,
hurtling down the track at 100 kmph + with a dead driver. It catches
fire too.
Overnight, engineers put up an inclined plane to halt the train,which
charges into the station, wrecking everything but stops eventually.
The wrecking scene was very shabbily done, with the WDM/2 mysteriously
turning into a WCAM/1 with the number painted on by hand, schoolboy
style.
Apparently, its an attempted re-hash of Silver Streak. The last scene of
the twin 'A' units charging into (and wrecking) NYC was a scene never to
be forgotten.
Cheers.
Shankar



Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> Some years ago when I was first studying hindi I watched some
> forgettable movie where the young couple sings their love while
> riding atop a park train - much like the 'children's train' in the
NRM.
> Anybody have any idea what this movie was, or where the scene was
shot?
>
> I like 'park trains' , as I ran one as a high school student for
pocket
> money.
>
> So, changing topics - can anyone recommend any fun 'park trains' in
India?
>
> Annie

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...

Date: 24 Sep 1999 20:11:26 -0500



On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Harsh Vardhan wrote:

> Dear Shri,
> Gurdaspur never had any direct link to Lahore in
west
> Punjab before partition also. You had to come through Amritsar and
cross
> over (to what is now Pakistan) at Attari. It is very much the same
today
> although the only direct daily train to Lahore starts from Amritsar.

Nice to read these detalis from you. Thanks for it.
>
> Iam yet to see this movie(but intend to). Was it a BG loco shown?
Could've
> been shot in Pakistan then!

Couldn't make out as only portion around or above wheels is shown in
film
& that too in darkness of night. But the compartments seem to be
narrow,
so may be it is MG. And from what , I read from mags , that the entire
film was shot here in India. But very realistic stuff, as far as the era
is concerned.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: DMM-Pakala line status

Date: 24 Sep 1999 21:24:19 -0500


Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
> raymond/Polaris@polaris.email wrote:
> >
> > Anand,
> >
> > These Bellary passengers mean that the MG from Guntakal to Bellary
also exists.
> > So where has the MG been converted - only from Bellary to Hubli ?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> > "Anand Krishnan" <krish_nand@hotmail.email on 09/24/99 08:45:38 AM
> >
> > To: raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
> > cc: irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: DMM-Pakala line status
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > >I am not sure whether the MG line from Guntakal to Dharmavaram has
been
> > >dismantled. Also whether Dharamavaram - Pakala is still worked by
MG
> > >passengers.
> > Raymond, the GTL-DMM MG still exists and there are daily MG
trains
> > like the TPT-Bellary pass and the GTL-Bellary pass working on this
line.
> > This also answers your doubts on the existence of the DMM-Pakala
line via
> > Kadiri-Madanapalle-Chittoor. I actually travelled on this line in
July from
> > TPT to DMM on my way to Puttaparthi.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Anand
>
> > Hello,
>
> I traveled on this line between Pakala and Katpadi and followed it to
> Polur. The reason being that it was under constrution to become
BG.That
> was in March of 1998. This project is still not complete? I also had a
> very interseting trip that day that I will go into detail on a later
> date.
>
> Tim
> > ______________________________________________________
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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...

Date: 24 Sep 1999 22:00:21 -0500


>
> Gang,
> Have u seen the song from the film Mast. O men if u have still not
seen
> then see it THe actor and actress dance on the railway lines and
behind
> them is a STEAM LOCO ! they also climb on the footboard and dance.
Could
> someone throw light and tell me whether this is a BG or MG loco ?
>
Porus,

Though I have not seen the whole song I have seen it's ad & the steam
loco
featured looks like a South African.


> However what thrilled me earlier was the name of the train on the
engine.
> Very few locos that hauled Calcutta Mail, Gitanjali Express, Rajdhani
and
> the DEccan Queen to name a few were practising this.

You would have been more thrilled to see the named locos pulling these
expresses. I remember that during 70's the Navy Blue WCM1 meant to
hauled
Deccan Queen was named "The Blue Bird" which was smartly painted on it's
sides.

Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please? (UPDATE)

Date: 24 Sep 1999 22:37:32 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:

> I AM MISSING DISTANCES FOR THE FOLLOWING RAILWAYS,GAUGES:-

> SR,BG,Karuppur Jn.,Mechcheri Road 28,Mettur Dam 41 {NB Metur in TT,
dist from Salem Jn
> SR,BG,Mayiladuturai Jn.,Akkur 19,Tarangambadi 30 {NB MG

Source:SR 1980
John Lacey

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Stolen diesel

Date: 25 Sep 1999 01:40:19 -0500


Yeah thanks,
I got it too in the HH. It says it was ex India;
captured in 1966, a WDM2 type(surprising indeed) but doesn't give any IR
No.
of the loco.

Wonder if they still use it or have put it on display.

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'Harsh Vardhan' <hvc@vsnl.email shankie@emirates.email
<shankie@emirates.email irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Stolen diesel


>I remember something about this on the list in the past, so I took this
>opportunity to look it up and present a link to our new archives! :)
>
>Check out:
><A HREF="http://irfca.org/mail/msg3735.html">http://irfca.org/mail/msg3735.html</A>
>
>Shanku
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Harsh Vardhan [mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
>Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:21 AM
>To: shankie@emirates.email irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: Stolen diesel
>
>
>Dear Shankar,
> I don't know anything about the stolen
diesel.
>But the Pakistanis did pinch a WP (No. not certain) from us during the
'71
>war. It used to haul the Indo-Pak Exp. and was on the wrong side when
the
>war was declared. It is now proudly displayed in a Lahore Park(like we
do
>with their Patton tanks and Sabre jets).
>
>My father has a news report about this somewhere and I will fetch it
out as
>soon as I get the opportunity.
>
>If it is partition and riots afterwards that he is referring to, I
think
>many locos would've been nicked by either side. But I don't think there
was
>a possibility of stealing a diesel in the early 70's war or before
because
>both the border lines were worked exclusively by steam in those days.
>
>Bangladesh side? Unlikely!?! And then it can't be BG on that border.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Harsh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
>To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
>Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:31 AM
>Subject: Stolen diesel
>
>
>>Hello,
>>A few weeks ago, I'd received a query from our own dear Larry Russel
of
>>EMD Export fame.
>>He stated an interesting fact: one bg diesel engine had been nicked
(to
>>put it bluntly, stolen,or appropriated) by Pakistan during one of the
>>wars.
>>Anyone with any idea as to which one it was? Harsh, Appu?
>>Cheers.
>>Shankar
>>
>
>

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Livery

Date: 25 Sep 1999 04:14:37 -0500


Hi Vijay,
This is what me and Rajan were talking about. The pix that i
sent u
was for u to get an idea. Actually the light blue band is a little
darker is
some trains. Both RCF and ICF have started using this livery. minor
variations in shade is o.k. But thats the new livery for you.

Regds,
Anand


>From: Vijay Balasubramanian <VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
>To: "'Shanku Niyogi'" <shankun@microsoft.email
"'irfca@cs.email
><irfca@cs.email
>Subject: RE: More interesting rail images from The Statesman
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:30:11 -0400
>
> > Aug 3 - Gaisal disaster - shows the blue and white coach discussed
here
> > recently
> > <A HREF="http://www.thestatesman.org/03081999/caption.html">http://www.thestatesman.org/03081999/caption.html</A>
> >
>Is this the livery that Anand and Rajan spotted on the Coromandel and
>Narayanadri Exp.?
>Is this the livery on the Dadar-Amritsar Exp. and a few other trains?
>Seems
>different from the
>picture that Anand sent me.
>
>Vijay
>
>

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Earth-1947 & Trains...

Date: 25 Sep 1999 04:37:24 -0500


> Though I have not seen the whole song I have seen it's ad & the steam
loco
> featured looks like a South African.

Yes that is South Africa. Where they have lovingly preserved many of the
steam powers
in pristine shape. I have a good feeling about IR realising what
treasures they have
left with them. I am quite sure we shall see the preserved WPs soon in a
Hindi films.
We ( and the film makers too) have been brought up on the belief that
the bullet nose
is the image of the ultimate power and strength.

> You would have been more thrilled to see the named locos pulling these
> expresses. I remember that during 70's the Navy Blue WCM1 meant to
hauled
> Deccan Queen was named "The Blue Bird" which was smartly painted on
it's
> sides.

That was a WCM 2 (# 20084, I think) , the Blue Bird was involved in the
horrific head
on collision on the third ghat line between Udyan Express and the Up
Parcel train.
Blue Bird was the Udyan power and was badly damaged. It did return to
the main line
after extensive repairs but not sporting the name. You could see the
hood metal
hammered back in shape.

Apurva

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 25 Sep 1999 04:40:47 -0500


I will start with SER. My favourite Blue Chip Railway!

All distances are Km. ex. Howrah or otherwise as mentioned.

SER:
>SER,BG, Raipur Jn.(830), Sarona(836),Raipur Branch Line B.H.
RVN(833),
Urkura Jn. B.H.(825) and not Raipur Main Line B.H.,
>SER,BG,Belha(736) Chakrabhata(730),Ghutku(736), Dadhapara Jn.(727),
Bilaspur(720), Uslapur Jn. (728)
Jn. are technical only meaning chaneover pts.
>SER,BG,Bimalgarh Jn.(453), Rakshi(464),Rangra(474), Tupadih(482),
Karampada(488), Kiriburu(494)
>SER,BG,Jakhapura Jn.(345), Sukinda9352), Tomka(369), Daitari(377)
>SER,BG,Kapilas Road Jn.(394),Charbatia(405)
>SER,BG,Nuagaon(27 ex. Raurkela),Purnapani(where is that ??!!)
>SER,BG,Gokulpur(121),Nimpura Jn.(122) Km ex Howrah. See if it helps?!
>SER,BG,Nimpura Jn.(122),Hijli Jn.(124) Correct distance.
>SER,BG,Rukni(298),Anara Jn.(297) - Inter station distance not listed
anywhere
>SER,BG,Sanka(291),Joychandipahar(288),Garhdhrubeswar(290) - Inter
station
distances not listed anywhere
>SER,BG,Talgaria(325), Bandhdih(333)Chas(339), Ispatnagar(346),Tupkadih
N.
Cabin(358)
>SER,BG, Barjamada Jn. (97), Barabil(107),Balani Khadan(113) Km. ex
Rajkharswan Jn.
>SER,BG,Padapar,Banspani,Jaruri(where are these please)
>SER,BG,Ramkanali,Chowka(same here)
>SER,BG,Damodar Jn.(316), Mohuda Jn.(336)Kulti(Kulti is in ER. Distances
not
listed)
>SER,BG,Duman Hill(???), Tiger Hill(964),Darritola Jn.(953)
>SER,BG,Dugda(348),Jamuniatand(344)
Bhandaredan Chandrapura and Rajabehra are in ER and hence inter station
distances are not available.
>SER,BG,Amta,Bargachia Jn.,Chanpadanga
Line under construction. Distances not available.
>SER,NG,Saongi Jn.(Is not a junction),Ramrama Tola (Where is it??!!?
Ramrajatala is near Shalimar/Howrah)
>SER,NG,Ramakona,Kachchhidhana(Again the same!)


WR :
>WR,BG,Bilimora Jn.,Bilimora Bunder(Distances not known)
>WR,BG,Daurai,Hatundi,Madar. Avoiding Ajmer Jn.(Distances not available
at
present)
>WR,BG,Dhrangadhra Jn.,Koda Salt Siding(Distances not known)
>WR,MG,Bairagarh,Sukhi *Sewania* CR(Distances not available at present)
>WR,MG,Dungar Jn.(19),Victor(26) Km. ex. Rajula City. LINE CLOSED
>WR,MG,Dabla Jn.,Singhena (Not aware of this section)

>WR,NG,Jamnagar Jn.,Bedi Bandar(Not aware of this section)
>WR,MG,Ghantila(45),Khakhrechi Jn.(30),Morbi Jn.(0)

Line closed and rails taken off. If you still want the inter stations
and
distances, let me know.
>WR,MG,Kanalus Jn.(0), Motikhawdi(9), Sikka(15) LINE CLOSED
>WR,NG,Shapur Jn.(0),Manavadar(26),Saradiya(43)
Line closed and rails taken off. If you still want the inter stations
and
distances, let me know.
>WR,NG,Ghantoli Jn.,Songir(Not aware of this place. Where is it?)



Sources for SER :
SER System Map of 31-3-98
SER current TT
AITT of Apr '77

Sources for SER :
WR current TT
AITT of Apr '77

Trust you will find it in order.
Regards,

Harsh

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 26 Sep 1999 04:59:29 -0500


Hi Vijay,

What I meant (and I guess Sundar did too..) was that when the Mumbai
traction is converted from DC to AC as is the overall plan, the work as
far
as equipment is concerned is more or less complete. Thats why we pointed
out
about the caternaries. In addition, regarding the masts, they are the
same
type as the AC ones.

No point in hauling a train with electric engines for only 50-70 km
(Mumbai
CST - Panvel is only 69 km). Thats why we see so many diesels coming in
and
out of Mumbai these days.
As per my observation at Panvel, the electric lines continue on the line
to
JNPT / Uran. They just end abruptly on the Roha Line.

Some of the DMU stock is being used for regular pasenger trains ... like
the
Diwa - Sawantwadi - Madgaon passenger.

Regarding WDM 7, we had a discussion and some clarifications from Harsh
much
earlieron the forum ...
There are only 15 such engines (11001-11015) all homed in EKM diesel
loco
shed. As per my observation they have been generally employed in hauling
light passenger and shunting services and not heavy duty functions. More
on
this in a later communication ...

Regards / Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
To: 'Rajan Mathew' <rajanmathew@telebot.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: CR suburban TT


> > Diva Panvel is doubled and electrified - this has been the case for
a
year
> > now.
> > Catenaries are AC - which means that the change from DC to AC later
can
be
> > easily facilitated here.
> > No EMU services on this line yet. DMU trains upto Roha (as per tt)
> > operative.
> > The DMU composition is not the normal way (with engine in the
centre),
> > rather the engine heading the train
> >
> > Rajan
> >
> Do the traction masts look similar to the ones on regular AC section?
At
> present,
> is there a way for WCAMx locos. to change between AC and DC, on the
fly,
> near Diva?
> If so, then KR trains from Mumbai/Dadar/Kurla could be hauled by, say,
WCAM3
> till Panvel
> and then a WDM2/7 could take over.
>
> Vijay

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 26 Sep 1999 12:56:01 -0500


Dear Harsh

Thanks for all the data. I've clipped everything except outstandings.

Harsh said:
> >SER,BG,Nuagaon(27 ex. Raurkela),Purnapani(where is that ??!!)

Marked on 1970s GOI IR map as a westerly spur from the
Raurkela-Bisra-Hatia line. Purnapani is shown as being about 10 kms
east of Birmitrapur (but no rly connection).

> >SER,BG,Rukni(298),Anara Jn.(297) - Inter station distance not listed
> anywhere
> >SER,BG,Sanka(291),Joychandipahar(288),Garhdhrubeswar(290) - Inter
station
> distances not listed anywhere

:(

> >SER,BG,Padapar,Banspani,Jaruri(where are these please)

Padapar is between Dangoaposi and Barajamda junctions. The line to
Jaruri is a spur marked on the GOI IR map. There may have been a plan
to connect this spur with the spur from Jakhapura to Daitari at some
future date - they are pointing exactly at eachother.

> >SER,BG,Ramkanali,Chowka(same here)

Ramkanali is on the Damodar - Joychandipahar line. The marked line is a
short spur that appears on maps only.

> >SER,BG,Damodar Jn.(316), Mohuda Jn.(336)Kulti(Kulti is in ER.
Distances not
> listed)
> >SER,BG,Duman Hill(???), Tiger Hill(964),Darritola Jn.(953)

Do I understand from the above that you do not have a "Duman Hill" at
all (perhaps suggesting Tiger Hill is a rename of Duman Hill)? Or is it
just that no distance is marked?

> >SER,BG,Dugda(348),Jamuniatand(344)
> Bhandaredan Chandrapura and Rajabehra are in ER and hence inter
station
> distances are not available.
> >SER,BG,Amta,Bargachia Jn.,Chanpadanga
> Line under construction. Distances not available.
> >SER,NG,Saongi Jn.(Is not a junction),Ramrama Tola (Where is it??!!?
> Ramrajatala is near Shalimar/Howrah)

Ramrajatala is quite different. The above is a clearly marked short
spur from Saongi marked on GOI IR map.

> >SER,NG,Ramakona,Kachchhidhana(Again the same!)

Ramakona is between Saoner and Chhindwara. Again the same - a clearly
marked short spur on the map.

> >WR,BG,Bilimora Jn.,Bilimora Bunder(Distances not known)
> >WR,BG,Daurai,Hatundi,Madar. Avoiding Ajmer Jn.(Distances not
available at
> present)
> >WR,BG,Dhrangadhra Jn.,Koda Salt Siding(Distances not known)
> >WR,MG,Bairagarh,Sukhi *Sewania* CR(Distances not available at
present)
> >WR,MG,Dabla Jn.,Singhena (Not aware of this section)
> >WR,NG,Jamnagar Jn.,Bedi Bandar(Not aware of this section)
> >WR,MG,Ghantila(45),Khakhrechi Jn.(30),Morbi Jn.(0)
> Line closed and rails taken off. If you still want the inter stations
and
> distances, let me know.

Yes, please!

What gets taken off may be put back in BG at some later day... I'll mark
it dead of course.

> >WR,NG,Shapur Jn.(0),Manavadar(26),Saradiya(43)
> Line closed and rails taken off. If you still want the inter stations
and
> distances, let me know.

Again, yes please!

> >WR,NG,Ghantoli Jn.,Songir(Not aware of this place. Where is it?)

A tiny spur (of less than 5 kms) on the map. SW of Ghantoli, in
direction of Chandod.


> Regards,
> Harsh

Many thanks!!

Regards to all

Larry

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From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Anyone

Date: 26 Sep 1999 14:09:10 -0500


ER, BG, Ranaghat Jn 73.18, Gede 116.45-no intermediate distances given
ER, BG Patna Jn 543.55, Digha[ghat] 550.00

Source: ER map

John Lacey

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: SR News.

Date: 26 Sep 1999 22:09:48 -0500



Hello gang,

My friend I.S.Anand is back from his pilgrimage down south & this is
what
he informs me.

He visited the Golden Rock Workshop where he saw & photographed 3
Nilgiri rack steam locomotives being completly stripped & rebuilt with
new
cylinders and fittings. They will emerge as brand new locos. One such
loco
will be ready by Deceember 1999.

Also seen in the same naked condition was the grand old lady "The Fairy
Queen". She was being revamped for the comming excursion season this
winter.

He was informed that MG in SR will last till 2005 and the electric
traction on MG will cetainly be there till 2002.

He spotted WDP2 all over the SR network right till KK & found it's
dual cabin very spacious which can accomodated 10 persons "AARAMSE".
Also for the first time in IR history that the cabin has been designed
taking the driver into consideration including his seating position
which
can be raise or lowered and can be tilted too.

Also spotted in the Golden Rock Workshop were numerous WDM2s with unique
cabins. These WDM2s were involved in various mishaps and were being
rebuilt with new cabins in various differnt smart designs. I still have
to
see the photographs.

Regards

Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Park Trains

Date: 26 Sep 1999 22:28:43 -0500


>
> I like 'park trains' , as I ran one as a high school student for
pocket
> money.
>
> So, changing topics - can anyone recommend any fun 'park trains' in
India?
>
> Annie


Annie,

There is a train in our Borivali national Park. It's quite a long route
with a Darjeeling type loop over itself. The train is hauled by a diesel
loco (made by TELCO) which looks more like a tractor.

Viraf.
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
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