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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:34:11 -0500


T.H.Sanyal said:

> Jishnu Mukerji wrote:
>
> >> >ER,BG,Ultadanga Road,Dum Dum Jn. >>> Non-existent. <<<
>
> >Yes you are right, and I know the source of this confusion also.

I think Jishnu has correctly guessed the source of the problem. I am
using a mixture of old (John Murray's Guide) and new maps, and
(hopefully intelligent) guesswork. But sometimes, it is impossible to
know unless you KNOW.


> >Long time ago
> >it used to be:
>
> > Sealdah, Ultadanga Road, Dum Dum.
>
> >Then when the circular railway segment opened initally I believe it
was from
> >Ultadanga Rd (Lower Level) to Princep Ghat. Soon thereafter the name
of the
> >Ultadanga Road on the Sealdah - Dum Dum segment was changed to
Bidhannagagr
> >Road. So it became:
>
> > Sealdah, Bidhannagar Road, Dum Dum.
>
> The chronology is not quite correct. The old Ultadanga Road station
was
> renamed Bidhan Nagar Road quite early during tenure of Ghani Khan
> Choudhury's RM-ship. A new station building was put up at that time.
> The Circular Railway came much later, and the name Ultadanga Road was
> given to its northern terminus of the time. This station is quite a
> hike from the platforms 3/4 (not to even speak of PF 1/2)
> of the Bidhan Nagar Road station and should
> not be called the lower level of anything. At that time (1985)
Calcutta
> commuters were being urged in ads by ER to avoid Sealdah. Instead they
> were asked to get down at Bidhan Nagar Road, follow a trail to
Ultadanga
> Road and board a train for BBD Bagh. I tried this transfer once, and
> realized right away why the Circular Railway trains were running
empty.
>
> >Meanwhile, it took the railways and WB government several years to
evict
> >squatters from the right of way connecting Ulatadanga Road to Dum
Dum.
> >Eventually this was achieved and the segment of circular railway was
extended
> >to Dum Dum.
>
> Eviction became necessary because ER laid separate tracks for the
> Circular railway trains. If they could use the already existing tracks
> used by the Goods trains to Chitpur Yard, the connection to Dum Dum Jn
> could have been provided right from the beginning. However, I don't
> know if there were technical impediments preventing that as an option.
>
> >Now for the alignment of tracks. The Sealdah - Dum Dum segment runs
on an
> >embankment throughout. The Kankurgacchi Chord from the Sealdah South
section
> >becomes parallel to it a little towards Sealdah near Bidhannagar
Road. I don't
> >know where exactly they are connected though. The circular railway
comes in
>
> The Kankurgachhi Chord (double tracks) meets the Sealdah - DumDum
> (quad tracks) at Kankurgachhi Road Jn. This is just a cabin, not a
> station. It is almost midway between Sealdah and Bidhan Nagar Road,
> and is about 2 km from Sealdah.
>
> >almost perpendicular to the Sealdah - Dum Dum alignment, a little to
the North
> >(away from Sealdah) of Bidhannagar Road, and the circular railway
Ultadanga
> >Road
> >station is located near here. The circular railway passes under the
Sealdah -
> >Dum Dum line and then rises up onto the embankment to join it around
Dum Dum
> >South cabin or thereabout.
>
> And Dum Dum Jn got another platform (no. 5) to handle these trains.
>
> >> While doing some cleaning chores, I discovered a 1980 Eastern
Railway
> >> map among my things. If you are interested, I can mail it to you,
if
> >> you return it to me afterwards. This map has insets for Calcutta
> >> and the Colliery regions, so may be of some use to you.
>
> >How about scanning it in and mailing it to a few of us?

That would be better - or have it put on someone's webpage?

I already have an ER map from the indianrailways.com site, and now have
the Calcutta region pretty well understood (but thanks for the offer, Mr
Sanyal).

> That's an idea. But I don't have a scanner, so must use someone
else's.
> I won't be able to do it very soon.

No problem for me. Could you ESTIMATE the interstation distances (or
total length) of the Circular Railway, please?

> Regards.
> ths.


Regards to all

Larry

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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:36:16 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
>
> Thanks for your input, Jishnu.
>
> > > Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> > > Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
> > Originally
> > > ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.
> >
> > Also the second highest peak in Nepal and third highest peak in the
world
> > on the
> > border of Nepal and Sikkim. Closer to Gangtok than to Darjeeling I
think.
> > Kanchenjungha Exp is still a very convenient day train from Calcutta
to
> > NJP.
> >
> Is K2 the tallest mountain in India? Or is it Nanda Parbat?

K2 is the tallest mountain in territory that is claimed by India, but is
actually administered by Pakistan. Actually it is on the border of the
original
POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) and a chunk of Chinese occupied Kashmir
roughly
between Khunjerab Pass and Karakoram Pass. China handed over that
portion of COK
to POK long back, so K2 is now in Pakistan administered part of Kashmir.


Nanga Parbat is also in Pakistan administered Kashmir. Nanga Parbat was
the peak
that Heinrich Herrer was trying to climb when he got arrested by the
British in
"Seven Years in Tibet". Apparently that peak had become quite an
obsession for
the Germans of the Third Reich since they had failed to climb it four
times
before then.

The tallest mountain entirely in India would probably be Nanda Devi or
some such
in Uttarkhand, I am not sure. Kanchenjungha is considered to be India's
tallest
mountain, (since Sikkim is now in India) just as
Everest/Sagarmatha/Quomolangma
is considered the tallest mountain in both Nepal and Tibet (China).

BTW, the highest motorable road in the world with regular bus service in
the
summer is in India at Khardung La Pass(18,600'!) across the Ladakh
Range, North
of Leh.

Jishnu.

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Delayed replies

Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:09:32 -0500


Just for your information, my e-mail facility is not fully in order yet
and
there may a bit of delay between the time I reply and the time it leaves
my
local mailbox. I had to mention this since some of my replies may seem
ancient considering the pace we maintain at IRFCA.

Rajan

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:17:36 -0500


Jishnu said:


> Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your input, Jishnu.
> >
> > > > Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> > > > Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
> > > Originally
> > > > ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.
> > >
> > > Also the second highest peak in Nepal and third highest peak in
the world
> > > on the
> > > border of Nepal and Sikkim. Closer to Gangtok than to Darjeeling I
think.
> > > Kanchenjungha Exp is still a very convenient day train from
Calcutta to
> > > NJP.
> > >
> > Is K2 the tallest mountain in India? Or is it Nanda Parbat?
>
> K2 is the tallest mountain in territory that is claimed by India, but
is
> actually administered by Pakistan. Actually it is on the border of the
original
> POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) and a chunk of Chinese occupied
Kashmir roughly
> between Khunjerab Pass and Karakoram Pass. China handed over that
portion of COK
> to POK long back, so K2 is now in Pakistan administered part of
Kashmir.
>
> Nanga Parbat is also in Pakistan administered Kashmir. Nanga Parbat
was the peak
> that Heinrich Herrer was trying to climb when he got arrested by the
British in
> "Seven Years in Tibet". Apparently that peak had become quite an
obsession for
> the Germans of the Third Reich since they had failed to climb it four
times
> before then.
>
> The tallest mountain entirely in India would probably be Nanda Devi or
some such
> in Uttarkhand, I am not sure.


The highest entirely in India is indeed Nanda Devi, at 25,645 feet
approximately. It is about the 15th tallest mountain in the Himalayas
(and thus in the world). The top 8 are:

Everest (Chomolungma,Sagarmata,, K2 (Godwin-Austen), Kanchenjunga,
Lhotse, Makalu, Cho Oyu, Dhaulagiri, Annapurna.

(I have not double-checked the order).

Nanga Parbat I believe is next.


> Kanchenjungha is considered to be India's tallest
> mountain, (since Sikkim is now in India)

But as it is on the border with Tibet, it is not entirely in India.

>just as Everest/Sagarmatha/Quomolangma
> is considered the tallest mountain in both Nepal and Tibet (China).
>
> BTW, the highest motorable road in the world with regular bus service
in the
> summer is in India at Khardung La Pass(18,600'!) across the Ladakh
Range, North
> of Leh.

This too is definitely correct. And no extra oxygen supplied.

> Jishnu.


Regards to all

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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Revised diesel fiesta page

Date: 22 Sep 1999 11:46:55 -0500


Hi gang,

>I think it is WAT, for Waltair.(now renamed 'Vizianagaram').

Waltair is the old name for Vishakapatnam.

Kind regards,
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From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 13:31:15 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>
> Vadi said:
>
> > At 06:24 AM 9/20/99 -0400, lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> > >SR,BG,Walajah Road Jn.,Ranippettai
> >
> > Not in use. So Walajah Road is technically not a junction.
>
> But still referred to as such in the Bradshaw.
>
> > >SR,BG,Nidamangalam Jn.,Monadgudi
> >
> > Not in use. It is "Mannargudi", not "Monadgudi"
>
> 'Monadgudi' is per the 1980 GOI IR Map.
>
> Also, I meant "MG" instead of "BG" on both of the above.
>
> Thanks for the information... are the tracks taken up, 100%
abandoned, or what? It is hard to know when to "kill" an entry. Simply
because no trains are scheduled to run on the track currently seems
insufficient. Views?
>
> Regards to all
>
> Larry

Some track ( level crossing on a road) near Nidamangalam Jn was in situ
in 1985, but out of use. Trains ceased running sometime before 1980 (
circa 1975?). The line was fairly short ( c.5kms ?). I remember
reading these little details about 1986, but cannot give any sources.
John Lacey

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 14:12:09 -0500


My 2 cents...

> Jabalpur-Lucknow Chitrakoot Exp.
> Where is the Chitrakoot region? Does it cover Lucknow?

Chitrakoot is a famous hill near Manikpur, known for its natural beauty
as
well as association with the Ramayana. The railhead for Chitrakoot,
Chitrakoot Dham, is covered by this train, which essentially goes by the
hill.

> Delhi-Kathgodam Ranikhet Exp.
> Is Ranikhet a hill station?

Ranikhet is indeed a hill station, close to Nainital. Kathgodam, 80 km
away,
is the railhead for Ranikhet.

> Hatia-Gorakhpur Maurya Exp.
> after the Maurya empire. what region?

The Maurya empire was centered in Bihar, with its capital in Patna. I'm
not
sure about the Hatia connection. This train does not touch Patna.

> Howrah-Gorakhpur Purvanchal Exp.
> The train's route is more or less parallel to the Purvanchal range.

The entire eastern part of Uttar Pradesh, including the Gorakhpur area,
is
referred to as Purvanchal.

> Gorakhpur-Bandra Avadh Exp.
> after the Avadh empire near Lucknow. The train was started between
Lucknow
> and Agra(?)

The Avadh/Awadh region is indeed around Lucknow. Perhaps the train only
went
as far as Lucknow before?

> Gorakhpur-Jammu Amarnath Exp.
> Amarnath temple?

Named after the famous Amarnath Cave, a pilgrimage spot for Hindus,
where
Shiva-lingams form naturally out of ice formations during the winter.
The
trip to Amarnath starts from near Srinagar, so Jammu is the railhead.

> Muzaffarpur-Delhi Lichchavi Exp. ??

The Lichchavi Republic (around 3rd century AD?) was an ancient republic,
with its centre in the city of Vaishali in Bihar. Muzaffarpur is the
railhead for Vaishali.

> Muzaffarpur-New Delhi Swantrata Sainani Exp.
> refers to the army of independent India?

I believe the name of the train is "Swatantrata Senani" Express, which
is a
reference to freedom fighters. In Aug. 1998, there was a large function
in
Bihar to honor freedom fighters, hosted by several "Swatantrata Senani
Samaj". The train was announced at the same time.

> Sealdah-Darbhanga Ganga Sagar Exp.
> Connects Calcutta (near the Bay of Bengal sea -> sagar) with Chhapra
(next
> to the Ganga?). Extended to Darbhanga a few years back.

Probably a reference to the annual Ganga Sagar mela, held on Sagardwip
Island near Calcutta.

> Kanpur-Kasganj Kanya Kubj Exp. ??

Kanyakubja is the former name for the UP city of Kannauj. This city was
the
seat of Emperor Harshvardhan's empire, and a cultural multi-religious
centre. Kannauj falls on the way between Kasganj and Kanpur - not sure
if
there's a station there.

> Kanpur-Kasganj Pawar Exp. ??

Isn't this the Pawan Express? Probably a generic name, since pawan means
wind.

> Lalkuan-Lucknow Nainital Exp.
> Is Lalkuan a railhead for the Nainital hill station?

Actually the railhead is Kathgodam (see Ranikhet Exp. above), but the
link
from Lalkuan (60km away) to Kathgodam used to be NG only, so Lalkuan was
the
BG railhead. Maybe they will extend this train to Kathgodam.

> Bareilly-Lucknow Rohilkhand Exp.
> Is Bareilly in the Rohilkhand region?

The Rohilkhand region lies between Lucknow and Bareilly.

> Agra Fort - Lalkuan Kumaun Exp.
> after the Kumaun hills?

Yes.

> Gonda - Agra Fort Gokul Exp.
> Lord Krishna's 'hometown'. Where is this located? Near Mathura?

Yes - the Gokul Express goes through Mathura, and probably connects to
Agra
Fort as a convenience.

> Tikunia-Lucknow Sanctuary Exp.
> after the Jim Corbett National Park?

Yes. Mailani, which falls en route, is the railhead to the Corbett Park
when
travelling from Lucknow.

> Gorakhpur-Gonda Kapilavastu Exp.
> Lord Buddha's birthplace. Location?

While the ancient city of Kapilavastu, as some have pointed out, is now
in
Nepal, the capital city of the Kapilavastu Empire is now considered to
be
the town of Piprahwa. The railhead for this town is Naugarh, between
Gorakhpur and Gonda.

> Jaynagar-Narktiaganj Gandak Exp.
> crosses the Gandak river near ??

My listing lists this as the "Kamla Gandak Express" - the Kamla and
Gandak
are both rivers in northwestern Bihar, and both lie on this route.

> Forbesganj-Samastipur Koshi Exp.
> crosses the Koshi river near ??

The Kosi River, which comes down from Nepal, is a turbulent river in
North
Bihar. This train crosses the Kosi between Khagaria and Saharsa,
travelling
parallel to the river during that stretch.

> Katihar-Samastipur Hariharnath Exp. ??

The Hariharnath Temple is a famous temple in Sonepur, near Patna.
However,
since this train comes nowhere near Sonepur, I assume it's just a
religious
reference to the deity, popular in Bihar.

> Katihar-Samastipur Janaki Exp. ??

The Janaki Temple is at Sitamarhi in Bihar, near Muzaffarpur. Again, no
clear relation to the Katihar-Samastipur route - perhaps the Bihar folks
are
on a big kick of naming trains after favorite deities?

> Guwahati-Delhi Avadh Assam Exp.
> connects the Avadh region with Assam

Yep.

> Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??

The Brahmaputra river, which runs through Guwahati and across the
northeastern border of India, is locally known as the Lohit in parts of
Arunachal Pradesh.

> Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
Originally
> ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.

Yes, with New Jalpaiguri being the BG railhead.

> Lumbding-Silchar Cachar Exp. ??

Silchar is in Cachar Division of Assam, which includes the cities of
Silchar
and Lakhipur.

> Lumbding-Silchar Barak Valley Exp.
> What region is covered by the Barak valley?

The entire Silchar region lies in the Barak Valley - the Barak runs by
Silchar and through into Bangladesh.

> Murkongselek-Kamakhya Arunachal Exp.
> Murkongselek is in Arunachal Pradesh

It's in Assam, but I think this was another of the gratuitously
named-after-state trains.

> Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Exp. ??

Kamrup is one of the districts of Assam. Guwahati lies in Kamrup
District. P

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 14:56:21 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>
> Jishnu said:

. . .

> The highest entirely in India is indeed Nanda Devi,
> at 25,645 feet approximately. It is about the
> 15th tallest mountain in the Himalayas (and thus
> in the world). The top 8 are:
>
> Everest (Chomolungma,Sagarmata,, K2 (Godwin-Austen),
> Kanchenjunga, Lhotse, Makalu, Cho Oyu, Dhaulagiri,
> Annapurna.

That is Annapurna I (since there are much lower II and III in the same
range).
I am told that the trek to Mustang passes through a gorge between
Dhaulagiri and
Annapurna and is spectacular.

Its a pity that Lhotse Shar is not counted as a separate peak.
Interestingly
there is always much discussion about the possibility that K2 might be
taller
than Everest, but never a discussion about the possibility that
Kanchanjungha
may be taller than K2. Their height difference is only 20m or so as I
recall.

> (I have not double-checked the order).
>
> Nanga Parbat I believe is next.

Where do the three Gasherbrum's in the Karakoram Range fit in? They are
all
8 kM + peaks I believe. Gotta check my Lonely Planet book back home this
evening.

> > Kanchenjungha is considered to be India's tallest
> > mountain, (since Sikkim is now in India)
>
> But as it is on the border with Tibet, it is not entirely in India.

Isn't it border of Nepal? Or is it at the trijunction?

BTW, Air-India used to name their 707s after Himalyan peaks. I remember
having
flown on Lhotse, Makalu, Dhaulagiri and Nanga Parbat I think.
Kanchanjungha
crashed into Mont Blanc in 1965 and Dr. Homi Bhabha among others died in
that
crash.

> >just as Everest/Sagarmatha/Quomolangma
> > is considered the tallest mountain in both Nepal and Tibet (China).
> >
> > BTW, the highest motorable road in the world with
> > regular bus service in the
> > summer is in India at Khardung La Pass(18,600'!)
> > across the Ladakh Range, North
> > of Leh.
>
> This too is definitely correct. And no extra oxygen supplied.

Just a bad headache once one is up there from Leh (12,600') I suppose. I
plan to
go there summer of 2001. This summer I crossed several passes over
16,000' (Tong
La, Lalung La, Karo La, Kamba La) and a few close to 17,000' (Mophutso
La,
Gyatso La) in Tibet. Some were accompanied by headaches, and no other
problems.
The view of Himlayas from Lalung La was spectacular including
Shishapangma (8kM+
peak) in Langtang Himal. Then from around Tingri saw, Everest, Makalu,
Lhotse
and Cho Oyu.

Anyway, as much fun as this is, this has gotten far enough away from IR
so this
will be my last posting on this thread.

Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 15:20:41 -0500


Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> > Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??
>
> The Brahmaputra river, which runs through Guwahati and across the
> northeastern border of India, is locally known as the Lohit in parts
of
> Arunachal Pradesh.

Hmmmmm, time to look up my map again. I thought that Brahmaputra in
Arunachal
Pradesh is called Dihang or Siang (similar to Xiang as it is called in
Chinese,
the Tibetan name is Yarlung Tsangpo). Lohit is a river that flows into
Brahmaputra from the East.

Jishnu.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 15:48:23 -0500


You're right, the Lohit (actually in Assam) and Dihang are major
tributaries
of the Brahmaputra, and Siang is the main one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:21 PM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'Vijay Balasubramanian'; 'irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: More train names


Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> > Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??
>
> The Brahmaputra river, which runs through Guwahati and across the
> northeastern border of India, is locally known as the Lohit in parts
of
> Arunachal Pradesh.

Hmmmmm, time to look up my map again. I thought that Brahmaputra in
Arunachal
Pradesh is called Dihang or Siang (similar to Xiang as it is called in
Chinese,
the Tibetan name is Yarlung Tsangpo). Lohit is a river that flows into
Brahmaputra from the East.

Jishnu.

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 22 Sep 1999 20:34:20 -0500


Karjat - Khopoli has been electrified and EMU's operative on it - some
Karjat fast / slow trains have been extended to Khopoli for at least 2
years
now

Diva Panvel is doubled and electrified - this has been the case for a
year
now.
Catenaries are AC - which means that the change from DC to AC later can
be
easily facilitated here.
No EMU services on this line yet. DMU trains upto Roha (as per tt)
operative.
The DMU composition is not the normal way (with engine in the centre),
rather the engine heading the train

Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Vijay Balasubramanian <VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
To: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 10:00 PM
Subject: CR suburban TT


> Hi Folks,
>
> Was perusing the latest CR suburban TT. This shows five Mumbai CST
-
> Khopoli locals per day.
> Does this mean that Karjat-Khopoli has been electrified and suburban
> services have been introduced
> in this section? If so, when did this happen? If not, are these
> diesel-hauled passenger trains or DMUs?
>
> The map shows that Taloje Panchnahd to Panvel is now double line.
What
is
> the status of Diva - Taloje?
> Is is still single line? Is is true that Diva-Panvel has been
electrified
> as well? Sometime back Sundar pointed out
> the existence of AC catenary somewhere in this region. Where did you
spot
> this, Sundar?
>
> The Andheri-Belapur CBD locals continue to exist - three per day.
>
> Vijay

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 20:45:15 -0500


>
> > Lalkuan-Lucknow Nainital Exp.
> > Is Lalkuan a railhead for the Nainital hill station?
>
> Actually the railhead is Kathgodam (see Ranikhet Exp. above), but the
link
> from Lalkuan (60km away) to Kathgodam used to be NG only, so Lalkuan
was the
> BG railhead. Maybe they will extend this train to Kathgodam.
>

Lalkuan - Kathgodam NG? I think there is "Typo Error" here. It should be
MG. I have travelled on this route from Kathgodam to Agra on an
overnight
MG express in 1983 on my honeymoon.

Viraf

From: Zubin Lee <>

Subject: dimensions of ac locos

Date: 22 Sep 1999 21:07:06 -0500


hi ppl.

anybody got the exact dimensions of the earlier generation ac electric
locos
(freight/mixed traffic, but not passenger) ? i am referring to the WAM4,
WAG5 & WAG7. i need all possible dimensions, including cab height, body
height, length, width, pantograph's maximum height, pantograph arm
dimensions, etc. i don't mind even if somebody can provide a few of the
dimensions. i am an eccentric, so please do not hesitate to be as
detailed
as possible - even give the curvature radius of the cab face ... <lol>

also, anybody got line drawings of these engines ? any help would be
appreciated. tnx in advance ...

~zubin.
<A HREF="http://zubin.gen-next.com/">http://zubin.gen-next.com/</A>

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 22 Sep 1999 21:55:10 -0500


When I travelled it was marginally late, however, later there were
numerous
reasons and the train used to run late - this was partly due to its
sharing
rake with the Konark
Undoubtedly a great train

Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: <raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
To: Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance


> Dear Rajan,
>
> I had travelled by the Minar twice, once from VT to SC, and once from
Wadi
> to SC. Both times it was bang on time. It was a great train - stops at
> Pune, Solapur, Gulbarga, Wadi, Tandur (I think) and then SC. Then, IR
threw
> out those superfasts which had an average speed below 55 kmph for BG
and
45
> kmph for MG. During those days, you could almost bet that superfasts
would
> be drawn by WDM 2's short hood leading. Where did all those turntables
go
> anyway ?
>
> Regarding intermediate halts - The Himsagar and Andaman Expresses have
just
> had their halts at Delhi Jn. removed. Is this due to re-modelling, or
just
> something inscrutable.
>
> Raymond
>
>

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: CR suburban TT

Date: 22 Sep 1999 23:39:07 -0500



Hi!

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> Was perusing the latest CR suburban TT. This shows five Mumbai CST
-
> Khopoli locals per day.
> Does this mean that Karjat-Khopoli has been electrified and suburban
> services have been introduced in this section? If so, when did this
happen?

This happened about 2 to 3 years back.

>If not, are these diesel-hauled passenger trains or DMUs?

These are EMU, same as any local that goes to Karjat or Kasara.

> The map shows that Taloje Panchnahd to Panvel is now double line.
What is
> the status of Diva - Taloje?
> Is is still single line? Is is true that Diva-Panvel has been
electrified
> as well?

Yes, Diva-Taloja is double & electrified.Many goods coming out of
Nava-Sheva port line are electric loco hauled.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Dativali - Bhivandi Road distance

Date: 23 Sep 1999 00:30:26 -0500


> > - the lines to Vasai bifurcate here),
>
> Not according to my map - it shows a more complex structure, with a
loop.

There is an entry to the Dombivali - Vasai line (the BSR line as it is
known by the railways), facing Kalyan as well as Diva. But then the
track leading to from Dombivali side does bifurcate the CR mainline at
Dombivali platform itself. So DMV must be accorded the status of a
junction IMHO. Please note that the actual point which allows a BSR -
DMV train to be diverted towards Diva or DMV is controlled by the cabin
at DMV.
As you have a Mumbai suburban map, please also note the presence of a
fifth line that runs OUTSIDE the CR's four lines that connects the BSR
line directly with the KR (at Diva) without entering the CR system and
disrupting the razor sharp schedules.

The map I had in mind is the excellent map made by Rajan which shows the
complex movement of trains in this section. High time those maps went on
your website Rajan.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Zebra

Date: 23 Sep 1999 00:43:40 -0500


Gang !

Spotted Zebra stripes on a GS coach of the Udyan Express. Did
not have the inclination to enter the rake to check if the
toilets were any different.

Apurva

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Rivers and Train Names

Date: 23 Sep 1999 05:28:56 -0500




Vijay,

The rake has a sign say "Chennai Varanasi Express". Starting from
Chennai
Central on the dot at 1730 hours.

The size of the letters are as shown.

Regards

Raymond

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)

Date: 23 Sep 1999 05:39:08 -0500




Larry,

Yes, Guntakal - Dronachellam BG conversion was through quite sometime
back. We
have the now all BG Venkatadri Express from Tirupati to SC,
Visakhapatnam -
Bangalore Express, and Vijayawada - Londa Amaravati Express. all running
on this
route.

I am not sure whether the MG line from Guntakal to Dharmavaram has been
dismantled. Also whether Dharamavaram - Pakala is still worked by MG
passengers.

Regards

Raymond

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Zebra

Date: 23 Sep 1999 06:35:08 -0500




Deap Apurva,

Saw Zebra stripes on two GS compartments of 2759 Charminar. These
stripes were
on both ends of the compartment. I also saw a GS compartment with
stripes only
on one end of the compartment on the 6320 Trivandrum Mail. Does this
have
anything to do with air / vacuum brakes, or even tubelight /
incandescent lights
apart from toilet differences

Regards

Raymond

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