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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Revised diesel fiesta page

Date: 22 Sep 1999 03:14:02 -0500


Hello,
I think it is WAT, for Waltair.(now renamed 'Vizianagaram').
Cheers.
Shankar



Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> What are the shed markings on the WDM 1 # 17053 ? What a charming
locomotive
> ! I can see why our Australian friends are so crazy about the DL 500.
>
> Apurva
>
> "S.Shankar" wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Check out my revised diesel fiesta page. Apart from a few images
added
> > kind courtesy John Lacey, Apurva Bahadur/Larry Russell, I have added
a
> > few links at the end, to the links page of my superrailway site, as
well
> > as to my diesel page of that same site.
> >
> > BTW, for all those who have seen my links page, do any more links
need
> > to be added? Appu said he is working on a list. What about you
Anand? I
> > do remember having seen some closeups fromAnand at Madras Central. I
do
> > not have the url to that site.
> >
> > The revised diesel fiesta can be found at: (same url, no change):
> >
> > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
> >
> > The hits counter from Hitometer kept fouling the last quarter of the
> > page, so I've pushed right below: you really have to scroll down to
get
> > it.
> >
> > THere is more change in all my webpages, except the WP glory one:
I've
> > changed the backgroung color: all my pages do not have the same
cream
> > color.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Shankar

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)

Date: 22 Sep 1999 07:19:46 -0500


The lines from Vriddhachalam and Thanjavur actually meet at Ponmalai
(Golden
Rock) so
Tiruchi would have a fan-out of 4. However, since Ponmalai is not
regarded
as a junction
(with the points being controlled from Tiruchi), Tiruchi should qualify
for
a 5-line junction.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vadi Elumalai [SMTP:vadi@ins.email
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:13 PM
> To: lwebber@planetmail.email irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)
>
>
> Tiruchirapally (Trichy) in SR - 5
> Vridhachalam (to Madras), Thanjavur (Tanjore), Karur, Dindigul and
> Karaikudi
>
>
> Salem in SR - 6
> Vridhachalam, Erode, Jolarpettai, Bangalore, Mettur Dam, Karur (in
> progress)
>
>
> -Vadi
>
>
>
> At 06:18 AM 9/20/99 -0400, lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> >All with Fan-Out of 5 or more are listed:
> >
> >Bathinda Jn.,6
> >Diva Jn.,6
> >Dum Dum Jn.,6
> >Mathura Jn.,6
> >Bareilly Jn.,5
> >Chandrapura Jn.,5
> >Dabhoi Jn.,5
> >Dankuni Jn.,5
> >Guntakal Jn.,5
> >Gwalior Jn.,5
> >Idgah Jn.,5
> >Jalandhar City Jn.,5
> >Katihar Jn.,5
> >Katni Jn.,5
> >Mahesana Jn.,5
> >Moradabad Jn.,5
> >Panvel Jn.,5
> >Raja-ki-Mandi,5
> >Rewari Jn.,5
> >Varanasi Jn.,5
> >Villupuram Jn.,5

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 07:40:35 -0500


SR,MG,Peralam Jn. Karaikkal

Couldn't find this (along with a bunch of other lines) in my
1992 SR
TT. Has this been dismantled? I have traveled on this a few times,
back
in the early 70s.


> SR,MG,Ernakulam Jn. 5 Tirunettur 3 Kumbalam 5 Arur 6 Ezhuppunna 4
Turavur
> 4 Vayalar 7 Shertalai 5 Tiruvizha 6 Mararikulam 3 Kalavur Halt 5
Tumboli
> Halt 4 Alleppey
>

I couldn't find any of the WR routes in my latest WR TT. Have
these
been dismantled as well?

Vijay

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 08:59:03 -0500


5xxx trains

Jabalpur-Lucknow Chitrakoot Exp.
Where is the Chitrakoot region? Does it cover Lucknow?

Delhi-Kathgodam Ranikhet Exp.
Is Ranikhet a hill station?

Hatia-Gorakhpur Maurya Exp.
after the Maurya empire. what region?

Howrah-Gorakhpur Purvanchal Exp.
If i am not mistaken, the eastern foothills of the Himalayas are
referred to
as Purvanchal.
The train's route is more or less parallel to the Purvanchal range.
Ironically, the first train to be named as Purvanchal Exp. was the MG
Varanasi-Gorakhpur exp.
with a cream-blue livery (similar to original DQ). I have seen this
train
pull into Varanasi with
a YP.

Gorakhpur-Bandra Avadh Exp.
after the Avadh empire near Lucknow. The train was started between
Lucknow
and Agra(?)

Gorakhpur-Jammu Amarnath Exp.
Amarnath temple?

Durg-Chhapra Sarnath Exp.
Sarnath is a famous Buddhist pilgrimage center near Varanasi where Lord
Buddha gave his first sermon (near the
Ashok stupa). Train is an extension of the Durg-Varanasi Sarnath Exp.
which
used to share rakes with the Ganga Kaveri Exp.

Muzaffarpur-Delhi Lichchavi Exp. ??

Muzaffarpur-New Delhi Swantrata Sainani Exp.
refers to the army of independent India?

Sealdah-Darbhanga Ganga Sagar Exp.
Connects Calcutta (near the Bay of Bengal sea -> sagar) with Chhapra
(next
to the Ganga?). Extended to Darbhanga a few years back.

Kanpur-Kasganj Kanya Kubj Exp. ??

Kanpur-Kasganj Pawar Exp. ??

Lalkuan-Lucknow Nainital Exp.
Is Lalkuan a railhead for the Nainital hill station?

Bareilly-Lucknow Rohilkhand Exp.
Is Bareilly in the Rohilkhand region?

Agra Fort - Lalkuan Kumaun Exp.
after the Kumaun hills?

Gonda - Agra Fort Gokul Exp.
Lord Krishna's 'hometown'. Where is this located? Near Mathura?

Tikunia-Lucknow Sanctuary Exp.
after the Jim Corbett National Park?

Gorakhpur-Gonda Kapilavastu Exp.
Lord Buddha's birthplace. Location?

Jaynagar-Narktiaganj Gandak Exp.
crosses the Gandak river near ??

Forbesganj-Samastipur Koshi Exp.
crosses the Koshi river near ??

Katihar-Samastipur Hariharnath Exp. ??

Katihar-Samastipur Janaki Exp. ??

Guwahati-Delhi Avadh Assam Exp.
connects the Avadh region with Assam

Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??

Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
Originally
ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.

Lumbding-Silchar Cachar Exp. ??

Lumbding-Silchar Barak Valley Exp.
What region is covered by the Barak valley?

Murkongselek-Kamakhya Arunachal Exp.
Murkongselek is in Arunachal Pradesh

Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Exp. ??


Vijay

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Rivers and Train Names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:03:33 -0500


This happened in the early 80s and for a while this train was referred
to as
plain ol'
Madras-Varanasi exp. However, in the last decade, various TTs have
started
using Ganga Kaveri once again - I am not sure what it says on the rake
itself.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
[SMTP:raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 1:37 AM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Rivers and Train Names
>
>
>
> Dear Gang,
>
> The Ganga - Kaveri Express is just the plain old Chennai - Varanasi
> Express, as
> it has lost that old MG connection to the Rameswaram Express.
>
> Other River names which are also train names :
>
> Tungabhadra Express
> Mahanadi Express
> Rapti Sagar Express (just the Rapti part though)
> Gandak Express
> Luni Express (still exists ?)
> Bhagirathi Express
> Tapti Ganga Express
> Narmada Express
> Mahananda Express
> Beas Express
> Ravi Express
> Jhelum Express
> Brahmaputra Mail
> Mandovi Express
> Zuari Express (defunct due to the defunct Braganza Ghat)
> Suvarnarekha Express
> Various Damodar Expresses
> Sabarmati Express
> Gomti Express
> Various Yamuna Expresses
> Kosi Express
> Amarkantak Express (source of the Narmada)
> Godavari/Krishna/Kaveri Expresses
>
> Anymore / any less
>
> Raymond
>
>

From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: Continuing on train names..

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:04:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

>> Howrah-Rampurhat Ganadevta Exp. ??

>Named after a famous Ray movie?

"Ganadevata" is a novel by Tarasankar Bandyopadhyay set in rural
Birbhum district. He was awarded the Jnanapith prize for this work.
Rampurhat is in Birbhum. The movie was made by not Satyajit Ray, but
Tarun Majumdar.

ths

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Samastipur-Tezpur exp. still exists

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:12:17 -0500


Hi Folks,

The latest TAAG shows the existence of this train with a 1/2 hr. halt
at
Alipurduar (but does not terminate here). The distance shown is 1101
km.
So, this should put this at 2nd spot in the list of long MG runs.

Vijay

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: My IR pictures website

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:30:11 -0500


Absolutely correct, Sarosh ... there was a Mandovi Express earlier on
the MG
between Miraj and Vasco.
Why can't the railways spell it properly - or is it the Indianisation of
certain names (like Margao to Madgaon or Panjim to Panaji)

Reminds me of a mistake on the CRS (PRS BB) where Ernakulam Jn was
actually
spelt Eranakulam Jn

Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
To: Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: My IR pictures website


>
> > The train in question is actually the 0103/0104 Mumbai Madgaon
Intercity
> > Express which has recently been renamed the "Mandavi" Express
> > I wonder what is the correct spelling for this name - what i have
just
> > written is printed on my ticket for journey in two weeks time ...
> >
> > Rajan
>
> The correct spelling is MANDOVI after the river of the same name
> which cuts through the city of Panjim (Panaji) and meets the Arabian
> Sea.
>
> Sarosh

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: CR suburban TT

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:30:49 -0500


Hi Folks,

Was perusing the latest CR suburban TT. This shows five Mumbai CST -
Khopoli locals per day.
Does this mean that Karjat-Khopoli has been electrified and suburban
services have been introduced
in this section? If so, when did this happen? If not, are these
diesel-hauled passenger trains or DMUs?

The map shows that Taloje Panchnahd to Panvel is now double line.
What is
the status of Diva - Taloje?
Is is still single line? Is is true that Diva-Panvel has been
electrified
as well? Sometime back Sundar pointed out
the existence of AC catenary somewhere in this region. Where did you
spot
this, Sundar?

The Andheri-Belapur CBD locals continue to exist - three per day.

Vijay

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Out agancies was Names of trains.

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:35:07 -0500


Apurva and the Gang ....

Well, I send people on foreign tours (to exotic destinations...) so I've
never even remotely handled any booking for Indian Railways on my Job. I
have had a bit of interaction with those folks in my office who look
after
railway bookings ... my company gets it done through one of the official
railway agents listed in the tt (with which it has an understanding). I
think Apurva has mentioned quite clearly how these agents are supposed
to
keep track of the availability. There seems to be no quota at this
juncture
for these agents though "the connections that these guys have are
apparently
deeper and murkier" than what we can see....

A personal incident which happened last year comes to mind - My father
approached a local agent for assistance in procuring a ticket to
Ernakulam
in May last year. He told the agent to book him on the Konkan Railway
(Netravati). In the summer - and that one particularly, seats on the
Netravati was extremely difficult to get. The agent did not inform him
of
anything. Two tickets were delivered to my father with the bill -
Confirmed
2AC tickets on the same train - 1081 Dn, the first on A1 - 8 CSTM-SUR
and
the second A1 - 8 SUR-ERS - a clear demonstration that although the
folks
could not corner the Mumbai/Pune quota, they knew exactly about the
details
of "wayside quotas" and turning them to advantage. My father, due to
urgent
work, finally had to cancel the train and fly - but I really wondered
what
the reaction of the railway staff would have been to discover this way
of
bye passing restrictions.

Many major stations like CSTM now have dedicated counters for RTSA's -
Rail
Travellers Service Agents - official agents authorised to represent
passengers and secure tickets. Only these RTSA's authorised by the
railways
(identity cards are issued to them) are allowed to procure tickets on
behalf
of passengers and have to take their place in the queue.

Suresh's query actually has a wider subject and is related to the whole
system of booking. The Railways (government) have not yet made the CRS
available to private parties for reservation. The last railway minister
-
Nitish Kumar had stated recently that a plan was being worked out to
allow
certain travel agents to have PRS terminals, make bookings and issue
tickets
fron their premises. The obvious condition would be a deposit or certain
bank guarantee. But as of the moment the railways have full control of
the
administration of booking.

There is a change in the role and purpose of outagencies as
computerisation
comes in. In the early days (prior to computerisation) outagencies held
limited quotas on very specific trains. Thus service was done to the
town/area for only the very limited option that was available.
Outagencies today which are computerised and linked up quite obviously
form
an extension of the mighty reservation network (CONCERT) that is in
place
today and can serve and offer much more to the concerned town/area.

On the topic of new modes of booking, Standard Chartered Bank and Indian
Railways have come out with a (the first with a railway in Asia)
co-branded
global credit card. Presently the offer is only in Delhi - SCB has
invested
in the hardware for the tele-booking service. Six telephone lines have
been
dedicated to this. The Cardholder simply has to call the number given
and a
reservation is made and charged to the card member. An service charge
amounting to Rs. 50 is charged per ticket - irrespective of the number
of
passengers. The ticket has to be collected by the card holder at least
48
hrs prior to travel from special counters assigned for the purpose.
(condensation of report in Indian Express - June 30th, 1999)

Regards / Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: Suresh Mutuswami <suresh@math.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email Mathew, Rajan <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:06 PM
Subject: Out agancies was Names of trains.


> > I don't remember this, but the first part of the minister's proposal
> > strikes me as being perfectly silly. How is this renaming going to
help
> > the people in the non-Railway states?

> They would feel better :-)

> > My IR map (1991 vintage) shows the presence of various "Out
Agencies"
in
> > places not covered by IR. Doesn't this indicate the presence of
booking
> > facilities in these places? Or does "Out Agency" mean something
else?

> Only presence of booking offices in non railway but otherwise
important
areas.
> The many booking offices in a large city leads to tickets such as
Deccan
> Gymkhana (in Pune) - Jammu Tawi.

> > Incidentally, why doesn't IR allow private travel agents to do the
booking
> > at least for the upper class (1/2/3 A/C, I class)? Since the IR

> But is does - my family and the office does all the booking via an
agent
for
> all classes. It is official, the name of the agent (Abhay travels) is
even
> mentioned behind the the CR tt. These are authorized on behalf of the
railways
> to book tickets and collect a service charge as per a fixed norm (Rs.
15
per
> 2nd class ticket, more for a higher class tick) . What is surprising
is
the
> confidence that these agent can tell about the availability or lack of
> availability of a ticket on a certain day or train when we fill the
request
> form. It is almost as if they own the railways. Obviously they have
cornered a
> quota of the tickets and they are quite sure about their role. I still
believe
> that an agent would stand in the line instead of us and that is what
his
job
> is, but the connections that these guys have are apparently deeper and
murkier
> than that.
> Maybe Rajan (who works in the travel agent's office) can give us a
clear
idea
> of how a travel agent - particularly for the IR functions.

> Apurva

From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:46:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji wrote:

>> >ER,BG,Ultadanga Road,Dum Dum Jn. >>> Non-existent. <<<

>Yes you are right, and I know the source of this confusion also. Long
time ago
>it used to be:

> Sealdah, Ultadanga Road, Dum Dum.

>Then when the circular railway segment opened initally I believe it was
from
>Ultadanga Rd (Lower Level) to Princep Ghat. Soon thereafter the name of
the
>Ultadanga Road on the Sealdah - Dum Dum segment was changed to
Bidhannagagr
>Road. So it became:

> Sealdah, Bidhannagar Road, Dum Dum.

The chronology is not quite correct. The old Ultadanga Road station was
renamed Bidhan Nagar Road quite early during tenure of Ghani Khan
Choudhury's RM-ship. A new station building was put up at that time.
The Circular Railway came much later, and the name Ultadanga Road was
given to its northern terminus of the time. This station is quite a
hike from the platforms 3/4 (not to even speak of PF 1/2)
of the Bidhan Nagar Road station and should
not be called the lower level of anything. At that time (1985) Calcutta
commuters were being urged in ads by ER to avoid Sealdah. Instead they
were asked to get down at Bidhan Nagar Road, follow a trail to Ultadanga
Road and board a train for BBD Bagh. I tried this transfer once, and
realized right away why the Circular Railway trains were running empty.

>Meanwhile, it took the railways and WB government several years to
evict
>squatters from the right of way connecting Ulatadanga Road to Dum Dum.
>Eventually this was achieved and the segment of circular railway was
extended
>to Dum Dum.

Eviction became necessary because ER laid separate tracks for the
Circular railway trains. If they could use the already existing tracks
used by the Goods trains to Chitpur Yard, the connection to Dum Dum Jn
could have been provided right from the beginning. However, I don't
know if there were technical impediments preventing that as an option.

>Now for the alignment of tracks. The Sealdah - Dum Dum segment runs on
an
>embankment throughout. The Kankurgacchi Chord from the Sealdah South
section
>becomes parallel to it a little towards Sealdah near Bidhannagar Road.
I don't
>know where exactly they are connected though. The circular railway
comes in

The Kankurgachhi Chord (double tracks) meets the Sealdah - DumDum
(quad tracks) at Kankurgachhi Road Jn. This is just a cabin, not a
station. It is almost midway between Sealdah and Bidhan Nagar Road,
and is about 2 km from Sealdah.

>almost perpendicular to the Sealdah - Dum Dum alignment, a little to
the North
>(away from Sealdah) of Bidhannagar Road, and the circular railway
Ultadanga
>Road
>station is located near here. The circular railway passes under the
Sealdah -
>Dum Dum line and then rises up onto the embankment to join it around
Dum Dum
>South cabin or thereabout.

And Dum Dum Jn got another platform (no. 5) to handle these trains.

>> While doing some cleaning chores, I discovered a 1980 Eastern Railway
>> map among my things. If you are interested, I can mail it to you, if
>> you return it to me afterwards. This map has insets for Calcutta
>> and the Colliery regions, so may be of some use to you.

>How about scanning it in and mailing it to a few of us?

That's an idea. But I don't have a scanner, so must use someone else's.
I won't be able to do it very soon.

Regards.
ths.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:50:48 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> Hatia-Gorakhpur Maurya Exp.
> after the Maurya empire. what region?

Maurya dynasty, Ashoka being one of them, capital around Patna.

> Howrah-Gorakhpur Purvanchal Exp.
> If i am not mistaken, the eastern foothills of the Himalayas are
referred to
> as Purvanchal.
> The train's route is more or less parallel to the Purvanchal range.
> Ironically, the first train to be named as Purvanchal Exp. was the MG
> Varanasi-Gorakhpur exp.
> with a cream-blue livery (similar to original DQ). I have seen this
train
> pull into Varanasi with
> a YP.

Purvanchal also literally means Eastern Region.
>
> Gorakhpur-Bandra Avadh Exp.
> after the Avadh empire near Lucknow. The train was started between
Lucknow
> and Agra(?)

Then there used to be the old MG Lucknow - Pandu (and later Dibrugarh
Town)
Avadh Tirhut Mail...

> Sealdah-Darbhanga Ganga Sagar Exp.
> Connects Calcutta (near the Bay of Bengal sea -> sagar) with Chhapra
(next
> to the Ganga?). Extended to Darbhanga a few years back.

There is a famous Mela that takes place around Kakdwip near the mouth of
Hooghly
which is called the Ganga Sagar Mela. Don't know that these have
anything to do
with the train name though.

> Agra Fort - Lalkuan Kumaun Exp.
> after the Kumaun hills?

Definitely.

> Gorakhpur-Gonda Kapilavastu Exp.
> Lord Buddha's birthplace. Location?

Isn't Kapilvastu now called Lumbini and it is in Nepal?

> Katihar-Samastipur Janaki Exp. ??

Something to do with Sita the daughter of King Janak from around
Samastipur?

> Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??

Named after Lohit River in Eastern Assam?

> Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
Originally
> ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.

Also the second highest peak in Nepal and third highest peak in the
world on the
border of Nepal and Sikkim. Closer to Gangtok than to Darjeeling I
think.
Kanchenjungha Exp is still a very convenient day train from Calcutta to
NJP.

> Lumding-Silchar Cachar Exp. ??

Cachar is the name of the hills around that area?

> Lumbding-Silchar Barak Valley Exp.
> What region is covered by the Barak valley?

This train runs on a route paralleling that valley according to my
Lonely Plante
map of India.

> Murkongselek-Kamakhya Arunachal Exp.
> Murkongselek is in Arunachal Pradesh

Really, I thought Murkong Selek is in Assam and not in NEFA (what became
Arunachal Pradesh). Got to check my map this evening. The route
parallels the
border of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh. I thought the only railway
station in
Arunachal Pradesh is Bhalukpong, but then I may be wrong.

> Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Exp. ??

Isn't the region East of Siluguri and West of Guwahati known as Kamrup?
I am not
very sure about the exact region.

Jishnu.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:01:17 -0500


Thanks for your input, Jishnu.

> > Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> > Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
> Originally
> > ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.
>
> Also the second highest peak in Nepal and third highest peak in the
world
> on the
> border of Nepal and Sikkim. Closer to Gangtok than to Darjeeling I
think.
> Kanchenjungha Exp is still a very convenient day train from Calcutta
to
> NJP.
>
Is K2 the tallest mountain in India? Or is it Nanda Parbat?


> > Murkongselek-Kamakhya Arunachal Exp.
> > Murkongselek is in Arunachal Pradesh
>
> Really, I thought Murkong Selek is in Assam and not in NEFA (what
became
> Arunachal Pradesh). Got to check my map this evening. The route
parallels
> the
> border of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh. I thought the only railway
station
> in
> Arunachal Pradesh is Bhalukpong, but then I may be wrong.
>
My mistake. Murkongselek is, indeed, in Assam. As you mentioned, the
route
runs
parallel to the border of Arunachal Pradesh and Assam.

Vijay

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:07:22 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian said:

> The lines from Vriddhachalam and Thanjavur actually meet at Ponmalai
(Golden
> Rock) so Tiruchi would have a fan-out of 4.

Which is why it did not show up on my list of fan-outs of 5 or more.


> However, since Ponmalai is not regarded as a junction
> (with the points being controlled from Tiruchi), Tiruchi should
qualify for
> a 5-line junction.

But not for the purposes of any mathematical simulation of the route
layout of IR. Where the lines meet is what counts. From where the
strings might be pulled is not at all relevant :)



> Vijay
>
> > From: Vadi Elumalai [SMTP:vadi@ins.email
> > Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)
> >
> > Tiruchirapally (Trichy) in SR - 5
> > Vridhachalam (to Madras), Thanjavur (Tanjore), Karur, Dindigul and
> > Karaikudi

Please see Vijay's answer above. Trichy stays a 4, not a 5, sorry :)


> > Salem in SR - 6
> > Vridhachalam, Erode Jn., Jolarpettai, Bangalore, Mettur Dam, Karur
(in
> > progress)

No.

From Salem Jn. lines go to Erode, Baiyyappanahalli for Bangalore,
Vriddhachalam Jn. and Karuppur Jn. It is from Karuppur Jn. that the
lines for Mettur Dam and Jolarpettai diverge.

As the latest budgets do not show work on Salem-Karur as nearing
completion or similar, I cannot count it.

So Salem stays a 4 also, not a 6, sorry :)


Regards to all

Larry



> > >All with Fan-Out of 5 or more are listed:
> > >
> > >Bathinda Jn.,6
> > >Diva Jn.,6
> > >Dum Dum Jn.,6
> > >Mathura Jn.,6
> > >Bareilly Jn.,5
> > >Chandrapura Jn.,5
> > >Dabhoi Jn.,5
> > >Dankuni Jn.,5
> > >Guntakal Jn.,5
> > >Gwalior Jn.,5
> > >Idgah Jn.,5
> > >Jalandhar City Jn.,5
> > >Katihar Jn.,5
> > >Katni Jn.,5
> > >Mahesana Jn.,5
> > >Moradabad Jn.,5
> > >Panvel Jn.,5
> > >Raja-ki-Mandi,5
> > >Rewari Jn.,5
> > >Varanasi Jn.,5
> > >Villupuram Jn.,5


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:09:17 -0500


Vadi said:

> At 06:24 AM 9/20/99 -0400, lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> >SR,BG,Walajah Road Jn.,Ranippettai
>
> Not in use. So Walajah Road is technically not a junction.

But still referred to as such in the Bradshaw.


> >SR,BG,Nidamangalam Jn.,Monadgudi
>
> Not in use. It is "Mannargudi", not "Monadgudi"

'Monadgudi' is per the 1980 GOI IR Map.


Also, I meant "MG" instead of "BG" on both of the above.

Thanks for the information... are the tracks taken up, 100% abandoned,
or what? It is hard to know when to "kill" an entry. Simply because no
trains are scheduled to run on the track currently seems insufficient.
Views?


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Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:10:12 -0500


Raymond said:

> Larry,
>
> No MG out of Guntakal nowadays.

Are you saying that the MG -> BG conversion of Guntakal-Dronachellam Jn.
is complete?


> The link to Dharmavaram is BG via Gooty, Kalluru.

Thanks. I know no trains are scheduled to run on it - I guess they will
not convert the gauge on Guntakal-Kalluru as the effort is not justified
as vis Gooty is not much longer). Am I correct?


> Regards
>
> Raymond


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Dativali - Bhivandi Road distance

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:14:51 -0500


Apurva said:

> > CR,BG,Dativali,Bhivandi Jn. (direct)
>
> Dativli is 2 Kms from Diva on the KR road towards Panvel. Bhivandi Rd
(not a junction, just 'Road')

Corrected, thanks.

> is on the Dombivali - Vasai Rd line. The distances on that line as per
the latest CR tt are ex CSTM: Kalyan Jn
> (54 not really on that line but the nearest "Jn"), Diva (43 again not
on that line but trains from KR onto WR will use the Vasai link to
change systems like TCV Rajdhani), Dombivali (48 Kms - why is Dombivali
not
> a junction ?

Good question.


> - the lines to Vasai bifurcate here),

Not according to my map - it shows a more complex structure, with a
loop.

Also, exact distances are: Diva 42.46kms, Dombivli 48.06kms, Bhivandi
Road 56.60kms.


> Bhivandi Road (57 Kms), Kharbao (65 Kms), Kaman (73 Kms), Vasai Road
(84 Kms).
> Can the inter station distances be worked out from this ?

It can be guesstimated..

> So distance between Dativali and Bhivandi Rd is
> 2(to Diva)+5(to Dombivali)+9(to Bhivandi Rd) = 16 Kms !


I work it out this way. This 'map' ignores the loop shown on the CR map
(projects it as XY on to the main line to Kalyan) but the distance
effect is likely to be small (at most 1 km).


To Vasai Road
\
\
Bhivandi Road
\
\
\
Diva Jn. ------- X ---Y---Dombivli Jn.--- To Kalyan
\ /
\ /
Dativali
\
\
To Panvel

Given from TTs:
Diva Jn. - Bhivandi Road = 14 kms.
Dativali - Diva Jn. = 2 kms

Visually (by symmetry), Dativali - X = 2 kms
and Diva Jn. - X = 3 kms

Thus Dativali - Bhivandi Road must be 1 km longer than Diva Jn -
Bhivandi Road i.e. 1+14 = 15 kms. Plus a little extra for the "U" (X-Y
is not really on the Diva - Kalyan line).

So, I agree with you.


> Hope this helps, let me know if you need to see a map of this area.

Thanks - but I have a map of CR Suburban already.


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:16:38 -0500


Vijay said:

> SR,MG,Peralam Jn. Karaikkal
>
> Couldn't find this (along with a bunch of other lines) in my 1992 SR
> TT. Has this been dismantled? I have traveled on this a few times,
back
> in the early 70s.
>
> > SR,MG,Ernakulam Jn. 5 Tirunettur 3 Kumbalam 5 Arur 6 Ezhuppunna 4
Turavur
> > 4 Vayalar 7 Shertalai 5 Tiruvizha 6 Mararikulam 3 Kalavur Halt 5
Tumboli
> > Halt 4 Alleppey
> >
>
> I couldn't find any of the WR routes in my latest WR TT. Have these
> been dismantled as well?

Not all, I'm pretty sure. Dabhoi-Timba Road was still carrying traffic,
for example, in 1998. I'm just missing distances on that one. Could
you check?

I believe the Ranuj line is also in service, at least up to Patan.

Distances is all I need. An old TT may be better. Unless the line is
taken up, I'm disinclined to delete the entry entirely (instead, I mark
it 'out of service'). This way, I already have interstation and
position data if the line is reinstated or gauge-converted whatever. It
is distance info from those older TTs that I seek!


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please? (UPDATE)

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:18:18 -0500


Could someone with Regional Railway Timetables, pre-1998 Bradshaws,
reasonable maps or other sources, please provide inter-station distances
(approximate will do) and/or any missing stations in the sequence?
It is simplest to just insert the km-distance between the station names
when replying. Or to let me know if a line has been scrapped. Please,
answers to irfca.
I will repeat this message as updates are received.
I have completed entering data from all TTs/Bradshaws available to me
(covering all railways CR/ER/KR/NEFR/NER/NR/SCR/SER/SR/WR).



I AM MISSING DISTANCES FOR THE FOLLOWING RAILWAYS,GAUGES:-

ER,BG,Sheakhala,Dankuni Jn.,Andul Jn.
ER,BG,Princep Ghat,Eden Gardens,BBD
Bagh,Burrabazar,Ahiritola,Sovabazar,Bagbazar,Tala,Ultadanga Road,Dum Dum
Jn.
ER,BG,Ranaghat Jn.,Bankim Nagar Halt,Panchberia
Halt,Aranghata,Bahiragachhi Halt,Bhayana Halt,Bagula,Mayurhat,Taraknagar
Halt,Majhdia,Banpur,Harisnagar Halt,Gede
ER,BG,Lakshmikantapur,Namkhana
ER,BG,Malkera,Katrasgarh
ER,BG,Mokama Jn.,Mokama Ghat
ER,BG,Ikra Jn.,Gaurangdih
ER,BG,Damodar Jn.,Kalipahari
ER,BG,Patna Jn.,Digha
ER,BG,Sindri Town,Pathardih Jn.,Sindri Marshalling Yard
NEFR,MG,New Gitaldaha Jn.,Gitaldaha
NEFR,MG,Raja Bhat Khawa Jn.,Jayanti
NEFR,MG,Chalsa Jn.,Matiali
NEFR,MG,Agyathori Jn.,Amingaon
NR,BG,Ramganga Jn.,Chanethi
NR,MG,Bhagat-ki-Kothi,Fedusar Quarry Siding
PVT,NG,Fatuha,Hilsa,Ekangar Sarai,Islampur
SCR,BG,Sulehalli,Halakatta,Nalwar
SCR,BG,Bantanahal,Nancherla
SCR,MG,Namburu,Ladepalle
SER,BG,Sarona,Raipur Main Line B.H.,Raipur Branch Line B.H.
SER,BG,Belha,Ghutku
SER,BG,Bimalgarh Jn.,Kiri Buru
SER,BG,Jakhapura Jn.,Daitari
SER,BG,Kapilas Road Jn.,Charbatia
SER,BG,Nuagaon,Purnapani
SER,BG,Gokulpur,Nimpura Jn.
SER,BG,Nimpura Jn.,Hijli Jn.
SER,BG,Rukni,Anara Jn.
SER,BG,Sanka,Joychandipahar,Garh-Dhrubeswar
SER,BG,Talgaria,Tupkadi
SER,BG,Barabil,Balani Khadan
SER,BG,Padapar,Banspani,Jaruri
SER,BG,Ramkanali,Chowka
SER,BG,Damodar Jn.,Kulti
SER,BG,Duman Hill,Darritola Jn.
SER,BG,Bhandaridah,Rajabehra,Dugdawasrery,Jamuniatanr Halt
SER,BG,Amta,Bargachia Jn.,Chanpadanga
SER,NG,Saongi Jn.,Ramrama Tola
SER,NG,Ramakona,Kachchhidhana
SR,BG,Karuppur Jn.,Mechcheri Road,Mettur Dam
SR,BG,Mayiladuturai Jn.,Akkur,Tarangambadi
SR,BG,Alleppey,Punnapra,Ambalapuzha,Thakazhi,Karuvatta,Haripad,Cheppad,K
ayankulam Jn.
SR,MG,Chennai Beach,Chepauk,Luz
WR,BG,Timba Road Jn.,Tulsigam,Vejpur,Desar Road,Pandu
Mewas,Sandasai,Mavli (Gujarat),Wasanapura,Muval
Tank,Savli,Karchiya,Samlaya
Jn.,Jarod,Vyankatpura,Ajwa,Waghoriya,Antoli,Karmaliyapura,Prayagpura,Dab
hoi Jn.
WR,MG,Kakoshi Metrana Road,Wagdod,Patan,Sankhari,Ranuj Jn.
WR,BG,Bilimora Jn.,Bilimora Bunder
WR,BG,Daurai,Hatundi,Madar (avoiding Ajmer Jn.)
WR,BG,Dhrangadhra Jn.,Koda Salt Siding
WR,MG,Bairagarh,Sukhi Sewar
WR,MG,Dungar Jn.,Victor
WR,MG,Dabla Jn.,Singhena
WR,MG,Ghantla,Khakhrechi Jn.,Morbi Jn.
WR,MG,Kanalus Jn.,Sikka
WR,MG,Chanasma Jn.,Harij
WR,NG,Shapur Jn.,Manavadar,Saradiya
WR,NG,Jamnagar Jn.,Bedi Bandar
WR,NG,Ghantoli Jn.,Songir

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: More train names

Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:29:16 -0500


Vijay said:

> Jabalpur-Lucknow Chitrakoot Exp.
> Where is the Chitrakoot region? Does it cover Lucknow?

For Chitrakoot, refer to the below:

CR,BG: Khairar Jn., 5 ,River Ken, 6 ,Banda, 8 ,Dingwal, 11 ,Khurhand, 13
,Atarra, 9 ,Badausa, 12 ,Bharat Kup, 7 ,Shivrampur, 9 ,Chitrakotdham
Karwi, 10 ,Khoh, 6 ,Bahilpurwa, 15 ,Manikpur Jn.

> Delhi-Kathgodam Ranikhet Exp.
> Is Ranikhet a hill station?

Yes. Together with almora, they serve Nainital (the major h.s.)

> Hatia-Gorakhpur Maurya Exp.
> after the Maurya empire. what region?

At the time of Chandragupta I, much of central India (memory).

> Howrah-Gorakhpur Purvanchal Exp.
> If i am not mistaken, the eastern foothills of the Himalayas are
referred to
> as Purvanchal.
> The train's route is more or less parallel to the Purvanchal range.
> Ironically, the first train to be named as Purvanchal Exp. was the MG
> Varanasi-Gorakhpur exp.
> with a cream-blue livery (similar to original DQ). I have seen this
train
> pull into Varanasi with a YP.
>
> Gorakhpur-Bandra Avadh Exp.
> after the Avadh empire near Lucknow. The train was started between
Lucknow
> and Agra(?)
>
> Gorakhpur-Jammu Amarnath Exp.
> Amarnath temple?

Amarnath Cave, in Kashmir.

> Durg-Chhapra Sarnath Exp.
> Sarnath is a famous Buddhist pilgrimage center near Varanasi where
Lord
> Buddha gave his first sermon (near the
> Ashok stupa). Train is an extension of the Durg-Varanasi Sarnath Exp.
which
> used to share rakes with the Ganga Kaveri Exp.

10 kms from varanasi station, by road.

> Muzaffarpur-Delhi Lichchavi Exp. ??
>
> Muzaffarpur-New Delhi Swantrata Sainani Exp.
> refers to the army of independent India?

Must be.

> Sealdah-Darbhanga Ganga Sagar Exp.
> Connects Calcutta (near the Bay of Bengal sea -> sagar) with Chhapra
(next
> to the Ganga?). Extended to Darbhanga a few years back.
>
> Kanpur-Kasganj Kanya Kubj Exp. ??

> Kanpur-Kasganj Pawar Exp. ??
>
> Lalkuan-Lucknow Nainital Exp.
> Is Lalkuan a railhead for the Nainital hill station?

No, but it is the Jn. for Kathgodam, the railhead.

> Bareilly-Lucknow Rohilkhand Exp.
> Is Bareilly in the Rohilkhand region?
>
> Agra Fort - Lalkuan Kumaun Exp.
> after the Kumaun hills?

Kumaon Region contains Nainital.

> Gonda - Agra Fort Gokul Exp.
> Lord Krishna's 'hometown'. Where is this located? Near Mathura?
>
> Tikunia-Lucknow Sanctuary Exp.
> after the Jim Corbett National Park?
>
> Gorakhpur-Gonda Kapilavastu Exp.
> Lord Buddha's birthplace. Location?

Either birth or death was in Nepal, I recall.

> Jaynagar-Narktiaganj Gandak Exp.
> crosses the Gandak river near ??

NER,BG: Sonpur Jn., 3 ,River Gandak, 2 ,Hajipur Jn.

> Forbesganj-Samastipur Koshi Exp.
> crosses the Koshi river near ??

These are the Kosi crossings:

NER,BG: Thanabihpur Jn., 8 ,Kharik, 8 ,Naugachia, 11 ,Katareah, 4 ,River
Kosi 2, 3 ,Kursela, 9 ,Bakhri, 7 ,Karhagola Road, 11 ,Semapur, 12
,Katihar Jn.

NER,MG: Saharsa Jn., 12 ,Sonbarsa Kacheri, 8 ,Simri Bakhtiyarpur, 7
,Koparia, 7 ,Dhamara Ghat, 2 ,River Kosi 1, 3 ,Badla Ghat, 7 ,Mansi Jn.

> Katihar-Samastipur Hariharnath Exp. ??

Hari=God, so..

> Katihar-Samastipur Janaki Exp. ??
>
> Guwahati-Delhi Avadh Assam Exp.
> connects the Avadh region with Assam
>
> Guwahati-Jammu Lohit Exp. ??
>
> Sealdah-Guwahati Kanchenjunga Exp.
> Kanchenjunga is the tallest mountain in India - near Derjeeling?
Originally
> ran between Howrah and New Jalpaiguri as a superfast day train.

About 45 kms from Darjeeling, on Sikkim-Tibet border.

> Lumbding-Silchar Cachar Exp. ??

Lumding.

I have seen a brand of tea called Cachar.

> Lumbding-Silchar Barak Valley Exp.
> What region is covered by the Barak valley?
>
> Murkongselek-Kamakhya Arunachal Exp.
> Murkongselek is in Arunachal Pradesh
>
> Howrah-Dibrugarh Kamrup Exp. ??
>
>
> Vijay

Hope I have been a little help.


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