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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Model Basher Dinyar Antia

Date: 21 Sep 1999 01:26:10 -0500


Great models! Really nice to really see Indian prototypes.

What gauge and scale are they?

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From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: NZR & UK Toy trains...

Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:01:50 -0500



Hi!

Today's Times of India, Mumbai carries 3 news items related to trains..

1) A photo showing a girl named Emma Nixon, from Kexby in Lincolnshire
rejoicing after her toy tank locomotive ( with NZR written on side),
fetched a record UK Pounds 3,175 at an auction in Rugby, Central England
on Sunday.

What NZR , stand for?

2) A advertisement for Collectors/Hobbyists:

For Hornby Hobbies, UK manufactured Train sets, Micro scalextrix &
Accessories are available at :

Manoj Stores,
Gr. Floor, Near Roopsons,
Behind florist,
Breach Candy, Mumbai 400 025

Tel:364 1221 , 367 5553 Fax: 369 6627

3) A informative interview of KR Managing Director Mr. B. Rajaram, by
Mrinamyee Ranade, revels the economic details about KR. For detailed
interview please, visit at <A HREF="http:/www.timesofindia.com">http:/www.timesofindia.com</A>

Bye,

Shrinivas


From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness

Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:33:40 -0500


Hi Rajan and Gang,
>
>I did MAS - HYB on the 2759 on 13th and met the SC bound Narayandri
Express
>at Gudur with the Dark blue lightblue livery.
>The 2759 was hauled by a WAP4 and was with 24 coaches ....
>and reached 15 minutes early into SC on the 14th morning (on PF2) ....
>
>Anand --- were you on the same train !!!!!
AAH!! that was near yet so far. I was on the same train. I
was
on S4(41), but generally roaming around as the train had a large number
of
IT guys travelling back after the hols and most of whom i knew. Probably
i
could have seen you. About the Narayanadri livery, the train was very
recently given the new set of rakes. I think it would in all
probabilities
become a 24 rake train soon. Actually that train comes into Gudur at
8.20
but leaves only after 2759 leaves Gudur. Not a fair deal actually 'coz
it
would have to wait upto 30min at Gudur for 2759 to pass.

>
>That morning - during the 25 minute wait for the train to leave SC for
HYB
>I managed to spot near platform 7 a 3 coach DHMU - probably on the SC
-
>Falaknuma run
Its the Bolarum local that was on pf.7 . The falaknuma leaves at 6.15am.

>Also spotted a WDP2 on PF 7 or 8
Thats actually one of the WDP1 that the KZJ shed has acquired. Most
passenger traffic is hauled by these and the faster expresses and
super-fasts are managed by WDM2Cs and 2Bs.


Kind regards,
Anand

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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel

Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:33:44 -0500


> From: "Rajan Mathew" <rajanmathew@telebot.email
> To: "S.B.Mehta" <sarosh>
> Cc: <irfca@cs.email <iti@vsnl.email
> Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:22:57 +0530

> Sarosh - let me know about the booklet of info you got from KR,
> It may be the same thing which I may put up shortly
> since i was able to scan some material and postcard pix very recently
>
> Rajan

ok, Rajan. The cover of this booklet titled "Konkan Railway" has a
pic of a WDM2 hauled passenger rake over Kundalika Bridge. There are
many other pics in the booklet one of them being the spectacular
Panval Nadi Viaduct the tallest in Asia at 64 mtrs. This booklet is
actually a statistical treasure-house.

If this is not the book you are referring to then let me know. I came
into possession of this book sometime in 1997. I also have some
spectacular picture postcards one of which is of the inaugural
Khed-Dadar train hauled by WDM2 18041. The loco is garlanded all
along the yellow strip and it looks pretty.

Sarosh

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Model Basher Dinyar Antia

Date: 21 Sep 1999 02:36:20 -0500



> Great models! Really nice to really see Indian prototypes.
>
> What gauge and scale are they?

Anne,

Dinyar models in HO gauge.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness

Date: 21 Sep 1999 06:18:50 -0500


Hi Vijay and gang,

>What is the exact combination - color above/at/below windows. Any
stripes?
It has a broad light blue band along the window and a dark blue
coating above and below the windows. I am desperately trying to get hold
of
a snap of a coach with similar livery and show it to you. . Or atleast
i'll
send u a small paintbrush version of it later today.

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: New halt for TVC Raj

Date: 21 Sep 1999 06:26:33 -0500


Maybe to pick up grub?

I can't think of any other reason. Ankola is just one of those cities
which
have speed-breakers put on their roads, just so that you notice the
place
when you drive through. I have driven through Ankola. It has just two
"claims to fame". One is that it is at one of the ends of the proposed
Hubli - Ankola rail link, and it is the hometown of Salil Ankola,
strapping
fast bowler, and big time hunk on the Indian small screen.

Raymond

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 21 Sep 1999 06:33:34 -0500


Dear Rajan,

I had travelled by the Minar twice, once from VT to SC, and once from
Wadi
to SC. Both times it was bang on time. It was a great train - stops at
Pune, Solapur, Gulbarga, Wadi, Tandur (I think) and then SC. Then, IR
threw
out those superfasts which had an average speed below 55 kmph for BG and
45
kmph for MG. During those days, you could almost bet that superfasts
would
be drawn by WDM 2's short hood leading. Where did all those turntables
go
anyway ?

Regarding intermediate halts - The Himsagar and Andaman Expresses have
just
had their halts at Delhi Jn. removed. Is this due to re-modelling, or
just
something inscrutable.

Raymond

From: Vadi Elumalai <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:02:10 -0500


At 06:24 AM 9/20/99 -0400, lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>SR,BG,Walajah Road Jn.,Ranippettai

Not in use. So Walajah Road is technically not a junction.

>SR,BG,Nidamangalam Jn.,Monadgudi

Not in use. It is "Mannargudi", not "Monadgudi"

-Vadi

From: Vadi Elumalai <>

Subject: Re: JUNCTION FAN-OUT LIST, STATION COUNT (UPDATED)

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:13:16 -0500



Tiruchirapally (Trichy) in SR - 5
Vridhachalam (to Madras), Thanjavur (Tanjore), Karur, Dindigul and
Karaikudi


Salem in SR - 6
Vridhachalam, Erode, Jolarpettai, Bangalore, Mettur Dam, Karur (in
progress)


-Vadi



At 06:18 AM 9/20/99 -0400, lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>All with Fan-Out of 5 or more are listed:
>
>Bathinda Jn.,6
>Diva Jn.,6
>Dum Dum Jn.,6
>Mathura Jn.,6
>Bareilly Jn.,5
>Chandrapura Jn.,5
>Dabhoi Jn.,5
>Dankuni Jn.,5
>Guntakal Jn.,5
>Gwalior Jn.,5
>Idgah Jn.,5
>Jalandhar City Jn.,5
>Katihar Jn.,5
>Katni Jn.,5
>Mahesana Jn.,5
>Moradabad Jn.,5
>Panvel Jn.,5
>Raja-ki-Mandi,5
>Rewari Jn.,5
>Varanasi Jn.,5
>Villupuram Jn.,5

From: GlynThomas <>

Subject: Re: IR clipart page

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:36:48 -0500


Shankar,
I drew the diagram of the YDM1 that you referenced. It is scaled
manually to
HO scale for modelling from original North British diagrams, which are
very
large.

The roughness is probably partially my drawing (which was for working
purposes, rather than publishing), and partially due to the scanning
process,
but the scale should be generally correct. I'd welcome any corrections
(especially since the NB diagrams were 'as designed', rather than 'as
built',
or even 'as operated').

I'd welcome Shanku producing clip-art from this diagram. Perhaps me
could
also try the YDM4, based on the diagram on Apurva's site
(<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/mlw/MLW2.jpg)">http://members.tripod.com/~ApuB/mlw/MLW2.jpg)</A>.


Glyn

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IR clipart page

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:37:44 -0500


These look great. I have only seen the cream-red-blue livery for the
WCAM1
and
not for the WAM4. The former has its pantographs oriented in reverse.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shanku Niyogi [SMTP:shankun@microsoft.email
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 8:34 PM
> To: 'irfca@cs.email
> Subject: IR clipart page
>
> Folks,
>
> In my ongoing process, I have added several new images to my IR
clipart
> page. These include:
>
> - two new WDM2s, in SR livery
> - WDS6 shunter (in yellow and green)
> - WAM2s in green and blue varieties
> - four WAM4s (various colors)
> - WAP3 in Shatabdi blue
>
>
> P.S. I really need scale drawings of other rolling stock, including
> passenger and freight cars. If anyone has any small scale drawings, or
> would
> be willing to create some and send them to me, I'd really appreciate
it.
> Drawings only have to be simple line drawings (no shading required),
as
> long
> as they are to scale.
>

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Longest Interstation Distances?

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:40:50 -0500


Hi Gang,

>The distance between Renigunta and Tirupati is 10 kms. There are no
>intermediate stations.
A small input i wish to make here.
I guess a halt has been planned. There is a coach maintenance centre on
the
way for which a small halt is being built for the staff. But this is not

made official yet but the raised platforms have come up for this
purpose.

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel

Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:45:20 -0500


Dear Karthik
I'm game - just lets get a mutually acceptable time to travel ....
Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: Karthik Giddu <gidduk@vsnl.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email <iti@vsnl.email <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Hints required on KR travel


> Hi Folks,
> Why not all irfca members go to Konkan Railway like the trip to
Wakener?.
I proposed
> about the same 2 months back.
> What everyone has to say.!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Karthik

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness

Date: 21 Sep 1999 12:23:37 -0500


Dear Anand K,

> >I did MAS - HYB on the 2759 on 13th and met the SC bound Narayandri
Express
> >at Gudur with the Dark blue lightblue livery.
> >The 2759 was hauled by a WAP4 and was with 24 coaches ....
> >and reached 15 minutes early into SC on the 14th morning (on PF2)
....

I WAS IN S6 (57) - I was at the nearest door trying to get some pictures
before dark (hoping that the ASA 400 film would record - I will be
developing the roll later today ... all the best to me ... ) Also trying
to
understand the lay out and track arrangement system between Chennai
Central
and Basin Bridge junction and understand the four leaf clover junction.

> >Anand --- were you on the same train !!!!!
> AAH!! that was near yet so far. I was on the same train. I
was
> on S4(41), but generally roaming around as the train had a large
number of
> IT guys travelling back after the hols and most of whom i knew.
Probably i
> could have seen you. About the Narayanadri livery, the train was very
> recently given the new set of rakes. I think it would in all
probabilities
> become a 24 rake train soon. Actually that train comes into Gudur at
8.20
> but leaves only after 2759 leaves Gudur. Not a fair deal actually 'coz
it
> would have to wait upto 30min at Gudur for 2759 to pass.

IDENTIFYING ME - 5ft 6 in - kinda round profile with specx ... wearing
Jeans
in Chennai - got off the train at Gudur and Vijaywada wearing green
shorts
and sneakers ... waistpouch with camera ...

> >That morning - during the 25 minute wait for the train to leave SC
for
HYB
> >I managed to spot near platform 7 a 3 coach DHMU - probably on the
SC -
> >Falaknuma run
> Its the Bolarum local that was on pf.7 . The falaknuma leaves at
6.15am.

Tell me one thing, just after Lallaguda works, when our train was
pulling in
to SC, the train stopped at at signal and the New Delhi bound AP Express
passed by on line1 (right side if you face SC), a blue coulour DMU
headed on
the third track (on the left) also passed by about the same time (...
too
many folks at the door or maybe I would have got a pic of the oncoming
train). Was that the Bolarum local by any chance ....

> >Also spotted a WDP2 on PF 7 or 8
> Thats actually one of the WDP1 that the KZJ shed has acquired. Most
> passenger traffic is hauled by these and the faster expresses and
> super-fasts are managed by WDM2Cs and 2Bs.

WHAT A LOUSY BLUNDER BY ME .... I MEANT WDP1 ACTUALLY
WDP2 has a very unique shape...

Rajan

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting, - Liveries and Cleanliness

Date: 21 Sep 1999 12:33:02 -0500


Vijay,

We're referring to a new livery thats literally taking IR by storm ....
may
be a part of the smart new look because of the number of such carriages
being spotted by a range of trains in such a short span of time.

Nothing like DQ etc in colour pattern

color above windows DARK BLUE
color at windows LIGHT BLUE
color below windows DARK BLUE
NO STRIPES (maybe the GS coaches have those yellow stripes) on the top
corner

I think one such coach was found wrecked in the recent Gaisal tragedy if
I
am correct

Rajan


> > Dear Gang,
> >
> > This brings us not only to liveries but also rake maintainance.
> > The Dadar Amritsar epress has its entire rake composed of the
coaches
with
> > new livery.
> > Select coaches of various trains like Gitanjali, Pushpak, DR
Chennai,
are
> > also in this livery. One rake of the Mumbai - Madgaon Mandavi
Intercity
> > Exp
> > also has these colours.
> >
> What livery are you referring to? Is this the same as DQ, Pragati,
...
>
> > I did MAS - HYB on the 2759 on 13th and met the SC bound Narayandri
> > Express
> > at Gudur with the Dark blue lightblue livery.
> > The 2759 was hauled by a WAP4 and was with 24 coaches ....
> > and reached 15 minutes early into SC on the 14th morning (on PF2)
....
> >
> What is the exact combination - color above/at/below windows. Any
stripes?
>
> Thanks
> Vijay
>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Revised diesel fiesta page

Date: 21 Sep 1999 14:58:08 -0500


Hello,
Check out my revised diesel fiesta page. Apart from a few images added
kind courtesy John Lacey, Apurva Bahadur/Larry Russell, I have added a
few links at the end, to the links page of my superrailway site, as well
as to my diesel page of that same site.

BTW, for all those who have seen my links page, do any more links need
to be added? Appu said he is working on a list. What about you Anand? I
do remember having seen some closeups fromAnand at Madras Central. I do
not have the url to that site.

The revised diesel fiesta can be found at: (same url, no change):

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>

The hits counter from Hitometer kept fouling the last quarter of the
page, so I've pushed right below: you really have to scroll down to get
it.

THere is more change in all my webpages, except the WP glory one: I've
changed the backgroung color: all my pages do not have the same cream
color.

Cheers.

Shankar

From: Raymond Marsh <>

Subject: Re: NZR & UK Toy trains...

Date: 21 Sep 1999 15:55:44 -0500


It must be old and rare to fetch such a price.
NZR was the common lettering for New Zealand Railways.
I will keep my eyes open for any old tank engine model bearing the
letters NZR !

Regards from Ray



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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Revised diesel fiesta page

Date: 22 Sep 1999 00:49:24 -0500


What are the shed markings on the WDM 1 # 17053 ? What a charming
locomotive
! I can see why our Australian friends are so crazy about the DL 500.

Apurva

"S.Shankar" wrote:

> Hello,
> Check out my revised diesel fiesta page. Apart from a few images added
> kind courtesy John Lacey, Apurva Bahadur/Larry Russell, I have added a
> few links at the end, to the links page of my superrailway site, as
well
> as to my diesel page of that same site.
>
> BTW, for all those who have seen my links page, do any more links need
> to be added? Appu said he is working on a list. What about you Anand?
I
> do remember having seen some closeups fromAnand at Madras Central. I
do
> not have the url to that site.
>
> The revised diesel fiesta can be found at: (same url, no change):
>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
>
> The hits counter from Hitometer kept fouling the last quarter of the
> page, so I've pushed right below: you really have to scroll down to
get
> it.
>
> THere is more change in all my webpages, except the WP glory one: I've
> changed the backgroung color: all my pages do not have the same cream
> color.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Shankar

From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: NZR & UK Toy trains...

Date: 22 Sep 1999 02:08:12 -0500


Dear Srinivas,
This is an example of the total lunacy of trainsetters and toy
collectors. For that price, the buyer could have had several hand-built
working models of REAL NZR locomotives.
The story behind it all is quite simple. As you probably know,
during
the 1950s there were two principal trainset manufacturers in Britain:
Meccano Limited, of Liverpool, who made Hornby trains, Meccano erection
sets, and the die-cast Dinky toys, and Lines Bros. of Margate, who made
Minic cars, various dolls, and the Triang range of trainsets -- in those
days, very crude. Meccano Ltd. went bust (I think in 1962, from memory)
and
the trainset range was taken over by Lines Bros, who soon started
issuing
their own trainsets under the "Triang-Hornby" label (with "Precision
Scale
Model" written on the side of the boxes -- obviously what I make are toy
trains). Later they dropped the "Triang", I think possibly after Lines
Bros
themselves went into receivership, and the trainset side was reorganised
as
"Hornby Railways". We often refer to items from the (plastic)
Triang-Hornby
and more recently Hornby ranges as "Trongby", to distinguish them from
the
real Hornby manufactured at Binns Rd. (Meccano Ltd. adopted plastic
moulding
very late, but their mouldings were superb). To add to the confusion,
the
original Hornby-Dublo (OO gauge, 4mm scale, sort of) tooling was sold to
a
firm called Wrenn, who continued to issue it under their own label for a
couple of decades.
Now, Meccano Limited concentrated all their manufacturing at the
Binns Rd. works in Liverpool, which is one reason they lost their
overseas
markets (the other was that they insisted on licensing sole agents,
which
led to inflated prices and long delays in delivery). But Lines Bros.
sent
some of the moulds for their more popular items (open wagons, small
locos,
etc) out to Australia and New Zealand, for manufacture by their
subsidiaries
there. The NZR on the side of the tonkongine you read about would have
been
for New Zealand Railways, as they then were. Some were also issued in
Australian roadnames. Triang also manufactured a range of
"transcontinental"
toys aimed at the North American market (mostly Canada, in those days of
Imperial preference) and one item in the range was a very inaccurate
diseasel based on the Victorian Railways double-ended EMD ML2s -- the
"B"
class. This also appeared as an electric with pantograph. Triang also
produced a Sydney suburban coach, of the old single-deck type.
The interesting thing about the "colonial" items is that they
are
quite common here in Australia, and don't command very high prices.
(Though
these days second-hand prices are inflated across the board). But
they're as
rare as hens' teeth in Britain, because they were not "imported back".
I hope I haven't bored you with all this, but, as you can see,
there's a simple answer to your question. (And aren't collectors
stupid?!)
By the way, apropos Indian stores stocking foreign trainsets, I
still reckon there's a huge market awaiting an enterprising Indian
entrepreneur willing to market an all-Indian trainset range. Also, givne
the
smallish sizes of Indian dwellings, I reckon ti should be to 3mm:1 ft
scale
(1:100) on 16.5mm gauge track. That way it can represent BG accurately
and
still run on an industry standard track.
So, as he clambers down from his soapbox,
Cheers to all from
Ken Walker

You wrote (snup)
-----Original Message-----
From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
To: Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email
Date: 21 September 1999 9:15
Subject: NZR & UK Toy trains...


>
>Hi!
>
>Today's Times of India, Mumbai carries 3 news items related to trains..
>
>1) A photo showing a girl named Emma Nixon, from Kexby in Lincolnshire
>rejoicing after her toy tank locomotive ( with NZR written on side),
>fetched a record UK Pounds 3,175 at an auction in Rugby, Central
England
>on Sunday.
>
>What NZR , stand for?
>
>2) A advertisement for Collectors/Hobbyists:
>
>For Hornby Hobbies, UK manufactured Train sets, Micro scalextrix &
>Accessories are available at :
>
>Manoj Stores,
>Gr. Floor, Near Roopsons,
>Behind florist,
>Breach Candy, Mumbai 400 025
>
>Tel:364 1221 , 367 5553 Fax: 369 6627
>

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