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From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: I'm less confused about Calcutta area - but, still Help Needed

Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:32:00 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji said:

>> > Sealdah North

>I believe the North side of Sealdah is just called Sealdah. The SOuth
>side is called Sealdah South.

Many years back, there were 3 station buildings at Sealdah. North,
Main, and South. North building had 4 platforms and handled only
local trains towards Bongaon, Ranaghat, and Dankuni. Main had platforms
5 through 9, handled long distance trains and non-electrified local
trains and also a few emu services. But both stations served traffic
to the same lines. In the 1970's, the North and the Main station
buildings were torn down and replaced by a new building fronting
platforms 1-9. There are still, however, a Station Master (North)
and a Station Master (Main) at Sealdah. So I guess in a way Sealdah
North continues to exist.
Through all these changes, Sealdah (South) has remained pretty much
the same. This building is a few hundred yards away from North/Main,
houses platforms 10-13 and runs emu locals towards BajBaj/Canning/
Diamond Harbour/Lakshmikantapur. The Goods/Parcel shed at Sealdah
is in between North/Main and South station buildings.
For some reason, the sign on the cabin controlling traffic at
Sealdah South used to read "Calcutta South" in those days.
Consistency has prevailed since then, so now it reads Sealdah South.

>Also BTW, there is a pair of tracks that connect the South side to the
>North side at Sealdah. This is distinct from the Kankurgacchi Chord
that
>we have discussed earlier.

>Another piece of info, apparently there already are at least a few EMU
>trains that run from Buj Buj to Dum Dum via Kankurgacchi Chord. This
>indicates that I need to investigate further on whether there are any
>halts on the Chord itself, and also whether the Chord has platforms in
>the vicinity of Park Circus station.

There are trains from Canning to Bongaon and from BajBaj to Naihati/
Barrackpore via Kankurgachhi Chord. The only station on the Chord is
Sir Gurudas Banerjee Halt. This station is pretty close to the
Kankurgachhi Road Jn cabin (can be seen from the mainline trains as
they are passing the KR Jn).

To add to the confusion: The present Bidhan Nagar Road station used
to be known as Ultadanga Road. The name Ultadanga Road got recycled
as the name of quite another station on the Circular railway. The
Taliganja station on Baliganja-BajBaj line is distinct from the
Taliganj station of the metro railway, and the former is actually near
the Rabindra Sarobar station of metro. The erstwhile Kalighat station
on the Baliganja-BajBaj line has been renamed to New Alipur (Calcutta).
And of course, there is a Kalighat on the metro line.

>Jishnu.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Presenting, at last - the IRFCA Mail Archive!

Date: 13 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0500


Good idea, Apurva. When I get some time, I'll build a quick and dirty
offline version, perhaps as a zip file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 4:04 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: Presenting, at last - the IRFCA Mail Archive!


How about a 'downloadable' zip file or pdf of the mails which
can be perused off
line ? There are many like me for whom entertainment is
reading old mails.

Apurva

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 13 Sep 1999 10:30:10 -0500


Here are some of the distances -

> CR,BG,Khajuri 16 Parakheda 15 Churelkheda 13 Mohana 12 Renhat 14
Ghatigaon
> 12 Panihar 13 Naugaon 13 Gwalior Jn.
>
> ER,BG,Seoraphuli Jn. 5 Diara 2 Nasibpur 4 Singur 3 Kamarkundu Jn. 3
> Nalikul 3 Haripal 5 Kaikala 3 Bahirkhanda 4 Loknath 3 Tarkeshwar
>
> ER,BG,Kalyani 2 Kalyani Silpanchal 2 Kalyani Ghoshpara 1 Kalyani
Simanta
>
ER,BG,Ultadanga Road,Dum Dum Jn. 3 Dum Dum Cantonment 2
Durganagar 2
Birati 3 New Barrackpur 1 Madhyamgram 3 Hridaypur 2 Barasat Jn. 4
Bamangachhi 3 Dattapukur 4 Bira 4 Guma 3 Ashoknagar Road 4 Habra 9
Machhalandapur 4 Gobardanga 5 Thakurnagar 4 Chandpara 10 Bongaon Jn.

Ranaghat 11 Gangnapur 4 Majhergram 4 Akaipur Halt 10 Gopalnagar
5
Bangaon

> ER,BG,Kalinarayanpur Jn. 3 Habibpur 5 Phulia 8 Shantipur
>
> ER,BG,Barasat Jn. 6 Kareya Kadambagachhi 6 Sondalia 3 Beliaghata Road
Halt
> 5 Bhasila 3 Harua Road 3 Kankra-Mirzanagar Halt 5 Malatipur 4
Champapukur
> 7 Basirhat 4 Madhyampur Halt 4 Nimdanri Halt 2 Hasnabad
>
> ER,BG,Baliganja Jn. 2 Lake Gardens 1 Tollyganj 1 New Alipur 2
Majherhat 2
> Brace Bridge 3 Santoshpur 3 Akra 3 Nungi 3 Baj Baj
>
> ER,BG,Baliganja Jn. 1 Dhakuria 1 Jadavpur 2 Bhaga Jatin 3 Garia 2
> Narendrapur 2 Sonarpur Jn. 6 Kalikpur 1 Champahati 3 Piali 5 Ghutiari
> Sharif 3 Betberia Ghola Halt 5 Taldi 6 Canning
>
> ER,BG,Sonarpur Jn. 3 Subhasgram 2 Malikpur 3 Baruipur Jn. 3 Kalyanpur
> (W.B.) 2 Dakshin Durgapur 2 Hotar 3 Dhamua 2 Uttar Radhanagar Halt 3
Magra
> Halt 3 Bahirpuya Halt 2 Sangrampur 5 Deula 3 Netra 2 Basuldanga 2
Gurudas
> Nagar 3 Diamond Harbour
>
> ER,BG,Baruipur Jn. 3 Shasan Road 4 Dhapdhapi 2 Surjyapur 2 Gocharan 3
> Hogla Halt 3 Dakshin Barasat 3 Baharu 5 Jaynagar-Majilpur 4 Mathurapur
> Road 5 Madhabpur Halt 3 Lakshmikantapur,Namkhana
>
>
I have added a couple of stations and omitted a few for which the
distances
have not been indicated.

Vijay

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 12:01:39 -0500


Fairy Queen has the same arrangement although now we are trying to put a small compressor on the loco itself and do away with the Pantry Car which houses the compressor and does little else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur < iti@vsnl.email <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
To: Harsh Vardhan < hvc@vsnl.email <mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
Cc: IRFCA < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: BG Steam.



There is no provision for compressor in the locos and they will take air(and power) supply from the power car which will be the first in formation. However the locos have retained dual brake compatibility for non air-brake rakes..
How interesting, the loco does not have the air compressor at all, the first coach  has a belt driven compressor from the genset engine. Only the A9 brake valve and the gauge is in the loco. Now I can see the logic in this. The locos will be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco shed can take BG and has a TT /T.

The Godrej gang now aims their sites at Saharanpur shed for their annual pilgrimage.

Apurva

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 12:16:02 -0500


Thanks for your valuable input, Apurva, Prateep, Harsh. Continuing onto
2xxx trains - superfasts -

Kurla-Howrah Jnaneswari SD Exp.
Temple? Where?

Kurla-Howrah Samarasata SD Exp. ??

Mumbai-Nagpur Vidharba Exp.
Nagpur is in the Vidharba region

Mumbai-Pune Deccan Queen Exp.
enters the Deccan Plateau after leaving the Ghats

Mumbai-Lucknow Pushpak Exp.
anything to do with the Pushpak Viman - chariot of Rama?

Gwalior-Nizamuddin Taj Exp.
introduced between New Delhi and Agra, home to the Taj Mahal

Howrah-New Delhi Poorva Exp.
poorva = east, train runs North-to-East and vice versa

Patna-New Delhi Magadh Exp.
after the Magadh empire (near ??) under Chandragupta Maurya?

Patna-New Delhi Shramjeevi Exp.
shram = work, jeevi = living being, anything to do with
farmers?

Bhusaval/Nagpur/Bilaspur/Jabalpur-Nizamuddin Gondwana Exp.
has been discussed before - so what's the scoop here? Named
after the Gondwana region?

Allahabad-New Delhi Prayagraj Exp.
Prayag is on the west side of Allahabad famous for the
kumbh-mela?
Why the 'raj' at the end?

Lucknow-New Delhi Gomti Exp.
Lucknow is on the banks of the Gomti river

Delhi-Jodhpur Mandore Exp. ??

Mumbai-Jammu Tawi Swaraj Exp.
swaraj = independence

Ahmadabad-Jammu Tawi Sarvodaya Exp.
after the Sarvodaya movement. when? where?

New Delhi-Amritsar Shan-e-Punjab Exp.
shan = pride, Shan-e-Punjab = Punjab's pride

Barauni-New Delhi Vaishali Exp.
kingdom of Vaishali. Details?

Chennai-Tiruchchi Pallavan Exp.
Pallavan empire. Details?

Chennai-Bangalore Lalbagh Exp.
Lalbagh is a famous garden and tourist spot in Bangalore

Chennai-New Delhi Grand Trunk Exp.
after the Grand Trunk road laid from Punjab to Bengal by Sher
Shah
Suri. When?

Ernakulam-Nizamuddin Mangala Lakshadweep Exp.
Mangala?? honoring the Lakshadweep islands off the coast of
India.

Kurla-Mangalore Matsyagandha Exp.
matsya = fish, gandha = smell, referring to the Konkan coast
where fishing is the
primary occupation

Chennai-New Delhi Tamilnadu Exp.
Chennai is the capital of Tamilnadu state, Tamilnadu is the
anglicized version of
Tamizh Nattu = land.

Trivandrum-New Delhi Kerala Exp.
Trivandrum, now Thiruvananthapuram, is the capital of Kerala
state.

Chennai-Coimbatore Cheran Exp.
Cheran empire. Details?

Bangalore-New Delhi Karnataka Exp.
Bangalore is the capital of Karnataka state.

Chennai-Madurai Vaigai Exp.
Madurai is on the banks of the Vaigai river.


Vijay

From: GlynThomas <>

Subject: New Book

Date: 13 Sep 1999 12:44:30 -0500


Today I saw a new book at my local bookstore: 'Steam, The end of Indian
Railways Steam', by S. Dupont, intro by M. Tully. It cost £19.95.

This is a photographic book in a large format. All B&W photos, with an
emphasis on the people and 'atmosphere' rather than the locos. Most seem
to
be very recent as well (YPs, WPs, Niligri, and Darjeeling). The photos
do
look nice though, although not useful to modellers.

Glyn

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 12:49:37 -0500


Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
"Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!

--

Jishnu.

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Trams of the world

Date: 13 Sep 1999 14:35:01 -0500


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Although purists may disagree, I still consider trams to be trains.
> Basic dc emu sets, thats what they really are.
>

Model railroader's here in the US certainly consider tram's trains -
Many model railroad clubs have a 'trolley section'


--
Anniepoo
Need loco motors?
<A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:13:02 -0500


OK, my contribution....

> Kurla-Howrah Jnaneswari SD Exp.

Jnanesari is a commentary on the Gita, written by Sri Jnanadeva, a
Maharashtrian. It's considered one of the great books of Maharashtra.

> Kurla-Howrah Samarasata SD Exp. ??

Samarasata means harmony. It's very heavily used in RSS and BJP lingo.

> Mumbai-Nagpur Vidharba Exp.
> Nagpur is in the Vidharba region

Nagpur is the key city of the Vidarbha region - there has even been talk
of
a separate Vidarbha state

> Mumbai-Pune Deccan Queen Exp.
> enters the Deccan Plateau after leaving the Ghats

Yes, because it travels over Deccan Plateau.

> Mumbai-Lucknow Pushpak Exp.
> anything to do with the Pushpak Viman - chariot of Rama?

Yes, my guess is that Pushpak is generally a good transportation name in
India.

> Gwalior-Nizamuddin Taj Exp.
> introduced between New Delhi and Agra, home to the Taj Mahal

Yep.

> Howrah-New Delhi Poorva Exp.
> poorva = east, train runs North-to-East and vice versa

There is, of course, a corresponding Paschim Express.

> Patna-New Delhi Magadh Exp.
> after the Magadh empire (near ??) under Chandragupta Maurya?

The official title is "Magadh Vikramshila Exp", which is an ancient
university near Bhagalpur, in the Magadh district of Bihar.

> Patna-New Delhi Shramjeevi Exp.
> shram = work, jeevi = living being, anything to do with
farmers?

A reference to poor working people. Probably a populist title for a
train.

> Bhusaval/Nagpur/Bilaspur/Jabalpur-Nizamuddin Gondwana Exp.
> has been discussed before - so what's the scoop here? Named
> after the Gondwana region?

Gondwana is one of the three main land formations of Vidarbha. Deccan
and
Archean are the others. So, if there is a Deccan Express, why not a
Gondwana
Express. :)

> Allahabad-New Delhi Prayagraj Exp.
> Prayag is on the west side of Allahabad famous for the
kumbh-mela?
> Why the 'raj' at the end?

Prayagraj is one of the fourteen prayag (places where rivers meet). It
is
the grand meeting of Ganga, Yamuna, and Saraswati rivers. It's a holy
spot
for Hindus, and it's also in Allahabad. :)

> Lucknow-New Delhi Gomti Exp.
> Lucknow is on the banks of the Gomti river

Yes, it's named after Gomti river. Lucknow was built along the Gomti.

> Delhi-Jodhpur Mandore Exp. ??

Mandore, near Jodhpur, is the capital of the old land of Marwar. Despite
being in the middle of Rajasthan, it's full of lush gardens and trees,
along
with great statues of the rulers of Jodhpur.

> Mumbai-Jammu Tawi Swaraj Exp.
> swaraj = independence

Another generally coined train.

> Ahmadabad-Jammu Tawi Sarvodaya Exp.
> after the Sarvodaya movement. when? where?

Sarvodaya (universal welfare) is one of the two tenets of Gandhi's
philosophy, satyagraha being the other. Hence the Ahmedabad connection.

> New Delhi-Amritsar Shan-e-Punjab Exp.
> shan = pride, Shan-e-Punjab = Punjab's pride

Shan-e-Punjab may also be a Sikh folk festival?

> Barauni-New Delhi Vaishali Exp.
> kingdom of Vaishali. Details?

Vaishal, an ancient fort city named after the Bihari king Vishal, is a
tourist attraction known from the Ramayana. The Vaishali Express stops
in
Hajipur and Muzzafarpur, the railheads for Vaishal.

> Chennai-Tiruchchi Pallavan Exp.
> Pallavan empire. Details?

The 7th century Pallavan kingdom was probably the greatest power in
Tamil
Nadu history. The Pallava port was in Mahabalipuram, which is between
Chennai and Trichy. The BTW - The state transport system is called
Pallavan
Transport.

> Chennai-Bangalore Lalbagh Exp.
> Lalbagh is a famous garden and tourist spot in Bangalore

Bangalore is, of course, known as a garden city, so its oldest and most
famous garden, founded by Tippu Sultan, deserves a train name.

> Chennai-New Delhi Grand Trunk Exp.
> after the Grand Trunk road laid from Punjab to Bengal by Sher
Shah
>Suri. When?

Sher Shah Suri's Grand Trunk Road, laid in the 16th century, actually
goes
(while in India) from Calcutta to Kashmir. The GT Express is probably
rather
known as such because it runs on the main trunk rail line dividing
India.

> Ernakulam-Nizamuddin Mangala Lakshadweep Exp.
> Mangala?? honoring the Lakshadweep islands off the coast of
>India.

Mangala Devi is a Karnataka goddess. Mangalore, which the Mangala
Lakshadweep Express goes through, was named after her. The Lakshadweep
suffix was added recently, when several trains were given state names to
make sure all states had a train named after them.

> Kurla-Mangalore Matsyagandha Exp.
> matsya = fish, gandha = smell, referring to the Konkan coast
>where fishing is the
> primary occupation

Matsyagandha is the name of an untouchable fisherwoman from Konkan coast
legend. The legend says that she captured the heart of a priest, and
their
offspring was Veda Vyasa.

> Chennai-New Delhi Tamilnadu Exp.
> Chennai is the capital of Tamilnadu state, Tamilnadu is the
>anglicized version of
> Tamizh Nattu = land.
> Trivandrum-New Delhi Kerala Exp.
> Trivandrum, now Thiruvananthapuram, is the capital of Kerala
>state.

Correct on both.

> Chennai-Coimbatore Cheran Exp.
> Cheran empire. Details?

The Cheran Empire was an old dynasty in Tamil Nadu. They were based near
Coimbatore.

> Bangalore-New Delhi Karnataka Exp.
> Bangalore is the capital of Karnataka state.
> Chennai-Madurai Vaigai Exp.
> Madurai is on the banks of the Vaigai river.

Yep.

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:39:30 -0500


Saharanpur is about 200km north of New Delhi. It's on the line between
Lucknow-Ambala-Kalka line, just north of Laksar, where the line for
Dehradun
branches off.

You can get to Saharanpur from New Delhi by taking the Dehradun Shatabdi
(2
hrs. 40 minutes) or Mumbai-Dehradun Exp. (5 hrs. 15 minutes).

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [mailto:tmwake@warwick.email
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:50 PM
To: Apurva Bahadur
Cc: irfca
Subject: Re: BG Steam.


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

The locos will
> be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
> shed can take BG and has a TT /T.


Apurva,

Where is Saharanpur located?

Tim

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:44:42 -0500



Kurla-Howrah Jnaneswari SD Exp.
Temple? Where?

As someone else already pointed out, this probably refers to the
"Jnaneshwari" religious text(s).

Kurla-Howrah Samarasata SD Exp. ??

I can't even figure out which language this might be in, or how it might
be pronounced, from the English spelling.

Mumbai-Lucknow Pushpak Exp.
anything to do with the Pushpak Viman - chariot of Rama?

They may have had that in mind, just as a metaphoric term for a fast
vehicle. A bit odd, though, as most of these mythological celestial
vehicles are more like automobiles and not meant for mass transporation
presumably.

Patna-New Delhi Magadh Exp.
after the Magadh empire (near ??) under Chandragupta Maurya?

Yes, Pataliputra = modern-day Patna.

Patna-New Delhi Shramjeevi Exp.
shram = work, jeevi = living being, anything to do with
farmers?

No idea. A Marxist reference to the proletariat? :-)

Bhusaval/Nagpur/Bilaspur/Jabalpur-Nizamuddin Gondwana Exp.
has been discussed before - so what's the scoop here? Named
after the Gondwana region?

Seems most likely, although no-one here has (I think) identified a
particular region as Gondwana.

Allahabad-New Delhi Prayagraj Exp.
Prayag is on the west side of Allahabad famous for the
kumbh-mela?
Why the 'raj' at the end?

Prayag or Prayagraj is the old term for modern-day Allahabad (and still
used today by some in a religious or literary context). train wouldn't

Delhi-Jodhpur Mandore Exp. ??

Perhaps a former princely state near Jodhpur??

Chennai-Bangalore Lalbagh Exp.
Lalbagh is a famous garden and tourist spot in Bangalore

Yes. As I think of this I am reminded of the Brindavan Express, also
between Chennai and Bangalore, which does not seem to be named after
anything in either city (but possibly after the Brindavan Gardens in
Mysore??).

Chennai-New Delhi Grand Trunk Exp.
after the Grand Trunk road laid from Punjab to Bengal by Sher
Shah
Suri. When?

I don't recall the dates here. But it is curious that a north-south
railway (Peshawar-Mangalore, then Delhi-Madras) was named for the more
east-west route which the road takes. Perhaps the idea was that the
train would have the same impact and achieve the same fame as the road
with which it shared a name.

Ernakulam-Nizamuddin Mangala Lakshadweep Exp.
Mangala?? honoring the Lakshadweep islands off the coast of
India.

Mangala perhaps for Mangalore -- does this train touch Mangalore?
Mangalore
is named for the goddess Mangala. As for Lakshadweep, I guess it is the

least that IR could do for the islands since they can't actually run any
trains all the way there.

The "SD" in some of the names stands for "Super Deluxe", I presume.
Is there any systematic way that this term is applied? Is there any
difference in the facilities or accommodations between an "SD" and a
non-"SD" express? (If not, does it run faster, at least, or have
fewer halts?)

--Satish

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:53:26 -0500


What a wicked name for a train! Probably done as a tribute for the birth
centennial of Kazi Nazrul Islam? Fitting, given that he was from the
Barddhaman area.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jishnu Mukerji [mailto:jis@fpk.email
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:50 PM
To: Vijay Balasubramanian
Cc: 'Apurva Bahadur'; 'irfca@cs.email 'pushkar_apte@hotmail.email
Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance


Speaking of train names, I just discovered in the latest Newmans
Abstract Timetable that the Howrah - Asansol Express is now called
"Howrah - Asansol Agniveena Express"!

--

Jishnu.

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:49:47 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

The locos will
> be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
> shed can take BG and has a TT /T.


Apurva,

Where is Saharanpur located?

Tim

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:50:08 -0500


Re: Delhi-Jodhpur "Mandore" express.
Mandore was the capital of Marwad State (anglicized to Marker) before
King
Rao Jodhaji moved it to Jodhpur in 1458. Mandore is about six miles from

Jodhpur and has own station on Jodhpur - Rai ka Bagh- Pipar Road line.

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 19:56:57 -0500


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Saharanpur is about 200km north of New Delhi. It's on the line between
> Lucknow-Ambala-Kalka line, just north of Laksar, where the line for
Dehradun
> branches off.

Thanks, I'll look it up.

Tim

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Anyone have these Inter-Station Distances, please?

Date: 13 Sep 1999 21:31:52 -0500


>> >NER,MG,Sitapur Jn.,Thompsonganj
>> No such line.
>
>Little spur marked on 1980 map. I have now marked it as
inactive/absent.


Even I've seen that map. But let me tell you, Sitapur is our native
place.
I've never heard (nor my parents) of Thomsonganj in my life.
Could that be some kind of TT virus?!

>
>
>> >NR,BG,Kanpur Bridge,Chandari,Govindpuri
>> No such link. Kanpur Bridge is on left bank of Ganga on the mainline
to
>> Unnao Jn.
>
>Is Chandari-Govindpuri also absent?


Chandari - Govindpuri is definately there and it is a double line
electrified link (Kanpur Central bypass you can say. Can't say about the
actual distance. My idea is about 3 Km.

>
>
>> >NR,BG,Daraganj,Prayag
>> No such dirct link.
>
>It is clearly shown in Lonely Planet sketch for Allahabad (and another
guide book's - but they may have copied from LP). The alleged link
allows
Phaphamau-Varanasi link bypassing Allahabad City and Jn. Sounds
plausible?
>


My LP is July '93 and doesn't show any such link(It doesn't even show
Phaphamau or the other bank of the Ganges. In your copy do they show
another
railway bridge over Ganga for this link for there isn't any!


>> >NR,BG,Ramganga Jn.,Chanethi
>> Ramganga Jn. point is 7 Km from Bareilly Jn. Chanethi is 3 Km from
Bareilly.
>> Not aware of any direct link.
>
>Bareilly bypass shown on my large 1980 map - but ALSO on the 1997 NR
map at
indianrailways.com (they refer to 'Junction Point' rather than Ramganga
Jn....


It is Ramganga J. point all right in the current NR TT. The T could very
well be there though. There might well be a direct link with C.B. Ganj
also. I will try to explore next time.



>> >NR,BG,Fazilka Jn.,Chananwala
>> 9 Km. It is Chak Banwala and next station at 15 Km is Chak Pakhewal.
>
>No, Chananwala (ONLY on 1980 IR map) is on the *other* side of Fazilka
- a
little spur. Probably inactive/removed now if not in NR TT.
>


Not aware. Could be a private siding line(Industrial) maintained by NR.

>> >NR,MG,Bhagat-ki-Kothi,*Fedusar*
>> Station unheard of.
>
>Also on 1997 NR webmap as above. "Fedusar Quarry Siding"...


Same as above. Perhaps !!

>Many thanks! Wouldn't happen to have any more regional TTs lying
around
then, would you? :) Anyone else, please?
>


I do have some more TTs stashed away somewhere. But I can;t say when
I'll be
able to fish them out and get the info. Usual excuse is that I don't
seem to
have the TTs and maps around when I have the time. Hence I started with
the
area which is most well known to me.
Maybe I can take care of net balance outstandings. Just give me some
time.
Regards,

Harsh

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 21:43:33 -0500


On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> > There is no provision for compressor in the locos and they
> > will take air(and power) supply from the power car which
> > will be the first in formation. However the locos have
> > retained dual brake compatibility for non air-brake rakes..
> > How interesting, the loco does not have the air compressor
> > at all, the first coach has a belt driven compressor from
> > the genset engine. Only the A9 brake valve and the gauge is
> > in the loco. Now I can see the logic in this. The locos will
> > be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
> > shed can take BG and has a TT /T.
> >
> > The Godrej gang now aims their sites at Saharanpur shed for
> > their annual pilgrimage.
> >
> > Apurva
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

Yes Appu,
Quite true ! This time pilgrimage will be in Shahranpur ! WP
vvvvvvvvvvooooooooooowwwwww !

Poras :-)

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: BG Steam.

Date: 13 Sep 1999 21:46:21 -0500


Saharanpur is 181 Km by mainline (via GZB, Merrut, Muzaffarnagar) and
166 Km
by branch line (via Delhi Shahdra, Shamli, Baghpat Road).
But then you are right. It DOES take more time than any 200 Km run on
the
mainline.

Also it is 81 Km from Ambala Cantt.

Harsh

P.S. Sorry for an earlier error. The WPs actually ran with ART for a
distance of *13 KM* between Saharanpur and Sarsawa.



-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'tmwake@warwick.email <tmwake@warwick.email Apurva Bahadur
<iti@vsnl.email
Cc: irfca <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: BG Steam.


>Saharanpur is about 200km north of New Delhi. It's on the line between
>Lucknow-Ambala-Kalka line, just north of Laksar, where the line for
Dehradun
>branches off.
>
>You can get to Saharanpur from New Delhi by taking the Dehradun
Shatabdi (2
>hrs. 40 minutes) or Mumbai-Dehradun Exp. (5 hrs. 15 minutes).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [mailto:tmwake@warwick.email
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:50 PM
>To: Apurva Bahadur
>Cc: irfca
>Subject: Re: BG Steam.
>
>
>Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> The locos will
>> be based at Saharanpur for at least an year till Rewari loco
>> shed can take BG and has a TT /T.
>
>
>Apurva,
>
> Where is Saharanpur located?
>
>Tim
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR train names and their significance

Date: 13 Sep 1999 21:51:12 -0500



>The Jabalpur-half of the train is called Gondwana Express,
>a tribute to the tribal areas surrounding Jabalpur.
>These area are include: parts of Jabalpur district,
>Mandla, Balaghat (north of Gondia) , Kanha
>national forest, Dindori, etc. These places (except Kanha)
>are quite low-key and hence unheard of.
>
>The other half of the train originates at Bilaspur
>or Nagpur (depending on the day of the week). Bilaspur
>is famous for the Mahamaya temple and hence the name
>Mahamaya Express.
>
>The two halves of the train meet at Bina junction for
>onward journey to Hazrat Nizamuddin.
>*Note- Niether part of the train touches Bhusaval. *

Just to correct you since you might have been out of touch with the
latest.
The Mahamaya Exp. to Nagpur now has been extended to run upto Bhusawal.

Harsh

From: Steven Brown <>

Subject: Sabotage derails express train

Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:59:29 -0500



Sabotage derails express
train in northern India

: Saturday, September 11, 1999

Sabotage is thought to be the cause of the
derailment of the Lucknow- Saharanpur Express
on 11 September
1999 on India's Northern Railway.
The train was travelling between
Gajraula and Saharanpur when the
locomotive and 6 coaches became
derailed near Haldaur in Uttar Pradesh.
Thirteeen people were injured in the
incident which occurred at about 07:00
local time.

According to Indian Railways a section of track
measuring 2.19 metres had been removed from the
line between the stations at Haldaur and Bijnour.
<A HREF="http://www.expressindia.com/news/25409999.htm">http://www.expressindia.com/news/25409999.htm</A>

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