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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: I'm less confused about Calcutta area - but, still Help Needed

Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:09:58 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:

> Jishnu Mukerji said:
> > lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
> > > >2. Circular Railway - Princep Ghat Eden Gardens B.B.D. Bag
> > > >Burrabazar Ahiritola Sovabazar Bagbazar Tala Ultadanga Rd.
> > > I believe Dum Dum Jn. is linked to Princep Ghat, but how is the
> circle
> > > completed?
>
> > The circle is not completed yet. Eventually it will be completed
> when
> > Princep Ghat is connected with the Ballygunj - Baj Baj line around
> > Majherhat/Brace Bridge area, thus completing the circle Princep Ghat
> -
> > Majherhat, Kalighat/Tollygunj, Lake Gardens, Ballygunj, via
> Kakurgachhi
> > Chord, Bidhannagar Road, Ultadanga Road.
>
> Thanks!
>
> This leads to a few more questions:
>
> 1. Kakurgachhi Chord must be the major one bypassing Sealdah - but is
> Kakurgachhi the name of a station on it?

I am not sure if there is a Kankurgacchi station on the chord with that
name. The chord actually takes off from Ballygunj runs parallel to the
Ballygunj - Sealdah South line a little beyond Park Circus,
progressively rising higher on an embankment, which begins a little
beyond Bondel Gate(that is what used to be a well known level crossing
on Bondel Road, that used to remain perpetually shut, that is in the
process of being replaced by a flyover), close to what is now Sir
Gurudas Banerjee Halt. This pair of tracks is on the West (Calcutta)
side of the Ballygunj - Sealdah South tracks at this point. Beyond Park
Circus this pair crosses over the Ballygunj - Sealdah tracks and then
stays on a high embankment all the way to a place beyond Sealdah North
where it become parallel to the line out of Sealdah North, a little
before Bidhannagar Road I think. I don't know where it actually joins
that line off the top of my head though.

> 2. Kalighat and Tollyganj are on the metro line (with Rabindra Sarobar
> in-between). Tollyganj (but not Kalighat) is also a stop on the
> Baliganja-Baj Baj line you mention. So, why did you write
> "Kalighat/Tollygunj"?

That is because in my recollection the station after Lake |Gardens
towards Buj Buj was called Kalighat. However, it is conceivable that the
name of that station has been changed to Tollygunj since it is closer to
the Tollygunj Metro station thatn the Kalighat Metro station. Physically
the station is located about between the Tollygunj and Rabindra Sarobar
Metro stations..

> 3. Assuming you meant just Tollygunj, would this be the circular route
> (when completed) - please check carefully?
> * Bidhannagar Road,Kakurgachhi (Chord),Park Circus,1,Sir Gurudas
> Banerjee Halt,Baliganja Jn.,Lake Gardens,Tollyganj,New
> Alipur,Majherhat,Brace Bridge<<LINK>>Princep Ghat,Eden Gardens,BBD
> Bagh,Burrabazar,Ahiritola,Sovabazar,Bagbazar,Tala,Ultadanga
> Road,Bidhannagar Road

Roughly speaking yes. Currently I don't think there is a connection from
Tala towards Sealdah, nor is it easy to build one if memory serves me
right. So in all likelyhood the circular railway trains will run Dum Dum
to Dum Dum around the circle in either direction. Also, as far as I
know, currently there are no platforms on the Chord at either Park
Circus or Sir Gurudas Banerjee Halt, but that can of course be remedied
rather quickly, after evicting a bunch of people:-( by Bondel Gate.
Finally, I think it is unlikely that the circular railway when completed
will actually pass through Brace Bridge station. I believe that the
connection will be between Majherhat and Brace Bridge, rather close to
Majherhat.

BTW, the Chord line continues past ballygunj station parallel to the
Ballygunj - Buj Buj line all the way past Majherhat to the Calcutta port
and Garden Reach Shipyards. It was built principally for direct routing
of through goods trains to/from those locations originally.

> 4. Presumably Ultadanga Road is also connected to Dum Dum Jn. ?

Yes. Sealdah North, Bidhannagar Road, Ultadanga Road, Dum Dum Jn.etc. on
the one hand, and coming from Princep Ghat side Tala, Ultadanga Road,
Dum Dum Jn.

> 5. I need inter-station distances for ALL in 4. & 5. above.

Don't have that info handy with me here in the US. I have sent email to
my Dad in Calcutta to see if he can scarf together that info.

BTW, all this is from memory, and I do need to check all this for
accuracy. The earliest that I can personally do it is around May 2000,
when I go to Calcutta again. Some of these details you just got to go
there and see, since I have often found maps to be less than accurate.

TAFN.

Jishnu.

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Maximum Fan-Out at Junctions, Revisited.

Date: 09 Sep 1999 07:13:30 -0500


These are the current highest fan-outs on IR (specifically, stations on
NR/SCR/SER/SR/WR are subject to review). The "*" indicates that
previously it had been listed by me as having a fan-out 1 lower:-

Bathinda Jn. 6
Diva Jn. 6*
Dum Dum Jn. 6*
Mathura Jn. 6
Bangarapet Jn. 5
Bareilly Jn. 5
Chandrapura Jn. 5
Dabhoi Jn. 5
Dankuni Jn. 5*
Guntakal Jn. 5
Gwalior Jn. 5*
Idgah Jn. 5*
Jalandhar City Jn. 5
Katihar Jn. 5
Katni Jn. 5
Mahesana Jn. 5
Moradabad Jn. 5
Panvel Jn. 5
Raja-ki-Mandi 5*
Rewari Jn. 5
Varanasi Jn. 5
Villupuram Jn. 5



These had previously been regarded as 5 fan-out, now (pending checking)
reduced to 4:-

Lucknow Jn. 4
Sadar Bazar Jn. 4


All apparent errors / other challenges welcomed!

Regards to all

Larry


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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 09 Sep 1999 09:35:19 -0500


Dear All,
I also have been observing a number of General Second coaches with these
zebra stripes .... today a HWH bound 8001 leaving Mumbai had one such
coach

----- Original Message -----
From: Bharat Vohra <bvohra@hotmail.email
To: <sncf@godrej.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes


> I have noticed these yellow zebra stripes as well..not only on WR but
on
> some CR stock as well. These stripes have been spotted on GS coaches
> only...maybe it is some kind of standardisation IR is trying out to
mark
out
> GS coaches from the rest of the rake??
> Regards
> Bharat
>
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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Delhi Area Questions - Daya Basti v. Delhi Sarai Rohilla, etc.

Date: 09 Sep 1999 09:41:31 -0500


Of the suburban areas, I have (subject to distance information
forthcoming) the Mumbai, Calcutta and Chennai regions under control :)


Delhi almost too... just a few outstanding questions.

(1) Daya Basti station lies on the Delhi Sarai Rohilla -Sakur Basti -
Rohtak route. But, it also appears on some maps to be linked to Patel
Nagar (which is itself both on the "circular route" around Delhi AND on
the BG/MG route to Delhi Cantt. -> Garhi Harsaru). Is all this correct?
Is Sarai Rohilla (the terminus for MG) also a BG station?

(2) Are any stations missing (OR RENAMED - e.g. Safdar Jang?) along this
route:
Hazrat Nizamuddin Jn.,Lajpat Nagar, Sewa Nagar, Lodhi Colony, Sarojini
Nagar, Safdar Jang, Chanakyapuri, SP Marg, Barar Square, Naraina Vihar,
Kirti Nagar, Patel Nagar,Daya Basti

(3) I understand there is no direct route from Kirti Nagar to Delhi
Cantt. without passing Patel Nagar. Am I right?

(4) While the main line from Sahibabad to Delhi goes via Delhi Shahdara
to Delhi Jn., there is a second line Sahibabad-Anand Vihar. I believe
(from 3 maps) that from here, there are two routes:

NDLS X
X
X
Shivaji Bridge X
X
X To Anand Vihar
Tilak Bridge X X
XXX X
X XXXX
XXX
Pragati Maidan X
X
X
Hazrat Nizam. X

Is this correct?

(5) Is Minto Bridge the old name for Shivaji Bridge?


Thanks - I know my questions seem unending, but they represent only 1%
or 2% of the total work. Also, IMHO the end-result is worthy.


Regards to all

Larry


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From: Kartik Pashupati <>

Subject: SBB Screen Saver

Date: 09 Sep 1999 09:57:39 -0500


Sundar:

The SBB Screen Saver is fabulous! As you said, one can spend quite a bit of time just waiting for the next train to come up.

Now we need some programmer types on the list to come up with a comparable one for IR.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Only Robinson Crusoe had everything done by Friday." -- Anonymous.

Kartik Pashupati, Ph.D. (kpashupa@mailer.email
Florida State University, Department of Communication
356 Diffenbaugh Building, Tallahassee FL 32306-1531

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Rail Images

Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:12:39 -0500


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Helo Tim,
> The page looks terrific now. Thanks to Vijay's earlier pointer, I'd
> really enjoyed at leisure each and every pic and have saved most of
them
> on a floppy, for viewing offline frequently.
> I admire your background, in typical IR maroon. (too bad you could'nt
> put yellow stripes on it! :-)
> The background goes very well with the pics. I've been planning a
> different background for each webpage. Though I might do it on the
> FrontPage, when I upload, it invariably turns out with the standard
> yellow background. There is an option somewhere,esp in Tripod: your
page
> has now encouraged me to explore that option more in detail.
> COngratulations on the terrific page.
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>

Shanker,

Vijays pointers were a help, but I was still lost.I redirected the paths
to my ISP and still could not get them to shake hands. What started
happening was that every time I went into Frontpage to my file page, it
would have to call my ISP to retrieve the photos.So I sat on it and
thought and came up with the most simple ridiculus solution.I saved the
file with the photos and loaded in it into "my documants" them turned on
the web wizard and sent the file from "my documants to my ISP! Bingo!
How simple could it be?

Regards to all and thanks to those who helped, Tim

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: RMS

Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:17:45 -0500


Dear Gang
I think that there has been substantial reduction of RMS stock.
A few months back, I managed to spot it on the 8001 Calcutta Mail on
selected days.

I don't know if we discussed this earlier, but there are some express
trains - which are not "Mail" that have RMS coaches. The ones I know
Udyan Express,
Chennai Mumbai express (shares rake with Mumbai-Madras Mail)
Koyna Express

IMHO the railways should come out with a new design for the RMS coach by
combining this with the SL coaches. The area used for seating about 40
passengersb could be converted to RMS section so that more full general
or
sleeper coaches may be attached for the public.

regards
Rajan

----- Original Message -----
From: <raymond/Polaris@polaris.email
To: <shankie@emirates.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: RMS


>
>
> Dear Shankar,
>
> The 1998 NR timetable does mention some trains as (P) as those having
postal
> facilities, where one can post letters with a late fee. These included
the
> Golden Temple Mail and the Kalka Mail. Can anyone tell me if any of
these
trains
> still carry the RMS bogie, or just half a normal II class sitting
bogie
packed
> with postal bags.
>
> Regards
>
> Raymond
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Why train didn't stop after chain pull

Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:19:08 -0500


>
> ``This train has air brakes, which have a audio-
> visual alarm facility warning the driver that someone
> has pulled the chain. But we have to get the
> statement of the driver and the guard to find out why
> he did not stop the train.''

This was a pre planned robbery. The criminals got in the DQ as soon at
it started
moving from Shivajinagar and snatched the bags from the jewellers and
got off before
the train picked up speed.
The passenger pulling the alarm chain in an air braked rake does not
directly apply
the brakes. Instead the driver hears a hooter go off in his cab. The
driver then
decides what to do about stopping. This is the system in the Mumbai EMU
also. The
drivers of Mumbai division are a hardened lot as they see a lot of life
in the big bad
city of Mumbai. So I can quite understand why a driver refuses to stop
just 2 Kms
short of the end of his journey, Pune Jn. The punctuality of the DQ is a
more
important issue. A robbery is not such a common incident on the DQ. So
the drivers
must have reasoned that this was an alarm to enable some late riser to
get off at
S'nagar or some such trivial matter.
I know a Mumbai division driver who absolutely refused to stop at Khadki
(which was
not a stop to that train) after the alarm chain was pulled. This was a
vacuum braked
rake and the driver overcame the braking action of the automatic brakes
by using the
'emergency release' feature of the exhauster and dragged the train till
Shivajinagar
(which was a stop). This was to deny one person who wanted to get off
closer to his
destination. Actually the driver knew that there was one person like
that amounts the
passengers. He did come to the driver at Lonavala and ask whether this
train stopped
at Khadki, and on being told that it did not, tried to convince the
driver to atleast
slow down the train at KKI so he could get off.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:24:26 -0500


Dear Shri. Dhanapaul,

Your equipment has been featured in more than one IR site. You could
give us the
details of your products. It would be nice to talk to a manufacturer of
equipment to
IR.

Apurva

DHANAPAUL UJ wrote:

> the gangers lorry in the site marked as gang1-3
> is manufactured by
> M/s.OVIS EQUIPMENTS PVT LTD,
> SHED NO: 43 IDA, PHASE II,
> CHERLAPALLY,
> HYDERABAD 500 051
> E MAIL
> oep@hotmail.email
> many thanks for nice photographs
> dhanapaul
> managing director
>
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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)

Date: 09 Sep 1999 10:52:13 -0500


Hi Gang ...

I'm reading 300 messages right now and replying to some .... (10 days of
IRFCA Mail) ... my hard disk crashed here ... and I was out of touch
with
the railworld news network .... Well I'm glad to be back.

Theres been no time to give a brief write up on my weekend to Chiplun
...
which I went by the Matsyagandha and returned by the Madgaon - Mumbai
Intercity (renamed a few days back as the "Mandvi" express). The trip,
to
capsulate it, was nothing less than excellent.

I must say that the Diva Vasai trip is a real peaceful slow trip (good
for a
lazy getaway from the Mumbai suburban network) and extremely beautiful
scenery too. the frequency of the trains coul be improved - say by
operating
additional services with the same rake during the day.

I'm working on a revised edition of my Konkan Railway Pages and site on
Indian Railway - a collection of my picture stock and diagrams. and will
put
it up soon

If anyone needs the diagrams drawn by me so far .. please mail me ...
they
are JPEG files.
1. Diva Dombivali Diagram
2. Kurla Area Diagram
More maps will follow .... I was infact taking up the toughest of them
all
... Mumbai CST

I suggest that maybe if the Bombay members of the gang could meet ....
and
if it is an extraordinary meeting, Appu and folks from Pune could join
in
.... lets see what can be worked out. Am looking for company for "Active
Train Spotting"

Anyway ... I'm off to Chennai (6009) now (Ive been waiting for this a
long
long time ... wanted to see Chennai Central, Egmore, the MRT and the MG
locals) and onward to Hyderabad (Charminar Exp) .... will be back next
thursday (by Hussainsagar Exp) ...

Till then regards / Rajan


----- Original Message -----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
Cc: Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email Mehta, Sarosh <sarosh@godrej.email
Mathew, Rajan <rajanmathew@telebot.email
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)


>
>
>
> > It moved to Bhivandi Rd.,covering this distance ,in only 12
minutes.Then
on
> > to Vasai halting at midway stations listed by Sarosh in his mail.
Reached
> > almost on time. The distance covered was about 32 KMS. And thru
cabin ,
I
> > saw -Viraf next to the track for a quick response to nature's call.
Then,
> > Sarosh was waiting on the platform.
>
> Viraf has usually a strange organic reactions seeing a train !
>
> > I carried with me, a printout of a perfect location map posted
sometime
> > back by one of our group member. And handed over this copy to the
Drivers.
> > They too liked it very much. Now , I forgot the mailer. But many
Thanks
> > to him as well.
>
> The cartographer /mailer is our own dear Rajan Mathew ! He has made
not
only the
> map of the area but also the route that the various trains take with
the
sequence
> (the Vasai DMU waits on the Dn loop line,. while the Deccan Queen
takes
the main
> line etc), in glorious colour, I may add. Maybe Rajan should put these
great maps
> on his website. I had also requested him to make similar maps of the
intricate
> suburban and dockyard system, maybe the New Mumbai / Turbe lines too.
>
> > They liked the snaps taken by Viraf on his recent trip to Wankaner
&
Morbi.
> > And were surprised to see the steam still in action on that route.
>
> Good to find friendly drivers, the sweetest community in the world.
Now
that you
> have pataoed them, maybe a foray into the KR (on the footplate of
course)
is not
> too far away.
>
> > The train left Dombivli facing the CST direction after taking a big
left
> > side turn crossing over the main line near Dombivli- entered Vasai
facing
> > the Virar direction. And on return trip the Churchgate side end(
which
was
> > Kalyan end when it left Dombivli) worked as the Drivers cabin & at
Diva
it
> > entered facing CST. And the cabin in which we started from Dombivli
now
> > was facing Kalyan side. So isn't this a act similar to the
Turn-Table
act,
> > where a locomotive is turned around 180 deg.!
>
> Does this mean that a loco leaving short hood leading returns as long
hood
leading
> ?
>
> > The drivers do 2 days on this section & other days of the week on
the
Diva
> > -Roha section .So sometime next week shall meet them again at
station &
> > pass on the snaps we took on this pleasant trip.
>
> As much as the Godrej gang is cut up with me about the slow progress
of
their
> Wankaner webpages, I would again volunteer to upload all these pics to
the
net on a
> separate webpage. Their WKR pages should be up by tomorrow I guess. Is
is
the 135
> pictures and the juggling between 2 tripod sites that is taking so
much
time.
> Please send me all the Diva - Vasai pics, I am relatively free now.
>
> Apurva
>
>
>

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm less confused about Calcutta area - but, still Help Needed

Date: 09 Sep 1999 12:30:57 -0500


Jishnu Mukerji said:
>L Webber wrote

Thanks for the data, all digested and understood!


> Sealdah North

Is this a real station, or only a colloquialism?


>> 5. I need inter-station distances for ALL in 4. & 5. above.

> Don't have that info handy with me here in the US. I have sent email
to
> my Dad in Calcutta to see if he can scarf together that info.


Thanks again. I would really like to have the data...


> BTW, all this is from memory, and I do need to check all this for
> accuracy. The earliest that I can personally do it is around May 2000,
> when I go to Calcutta again. Some of these details you just got to go
> there and see, since I have often found maps to be less than accurate.


I have found exactly the same.

> Jishnu.


I have finished with inter-station distances on NR, no new questions.
On to SCR/SER/SR & WR now! Any help with the message "Anyone have these
Inter-Station Distances, please?" would be greatly appreciated, folks.


Regards to all

Larry

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From: Sridhar Shankar <>

Subject: Re: sweet names for trains

Date: 09 Sep 1999 13:05:53 -0500


Folks,

My all time favorite names

1. Frontier Mail, 2. Grand Trunk Express, 3. Navjivan Express

-Sridhar

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: 'Neighbors' Pakistan Railways site.

Date: 09 Sep 1999 14:51:57 -0500


Hello,
I've added a few more pictures to my 'Neighbors' site about the Pakistan
Railways, including one of a Blue Tiger AdTranz engine in green livery
going through the works in Sweden.
The link to Larry Russell's EMD page is still intact, but I've added an
additional link to the Khyber steam safari page.
I've also modified the HTML slightly.

Check it out at and do revert with your comments.

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/neighbors.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/neighbors.htm</A>

I've added a tram to my emu enigma page too, but seem to have lost the
dc and history pages somewhere. HELP! I'm trying to fix the problem. ITs
0200 hrs already: I shall give it a shot tomorrow.
Cheers.
Shankar

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 09 Sep 1999 20:34:58 -0500


Shanku and Gang,
Done ! the train has been re- railed and the chain has been pulled ! On
the way let us once again join the gang of intellectuals.

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Presenting, at last - the IRFCA Mail Archive!

Date: 09 Sep 1999 20:40:21 -0500


Gang,

Although my work on the IRFCA.ORG web site is progressing a bit slower
than
I had hoped (for various reasons), I am happy to tell you that the first
version of the IRFCA.ORG mail archive is now available. The location for
the
archive is

<A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/mail">http://www.irfca.org/mail</A>

Please note the following limitations:
- All the non-mail links on the page will not work - they point to other
parts of the IRFCA site which I have not put up yet. It gives you a
rough
idea of the site design though.
- Although there is a table of contents, there are no other indices.
These
may be added later.
- There is no threaded view. This may be added later.
- Search, a truly useful feature, can't be added right now, because I
can't
put a search engine on the server (it's not mine). Hopefully, by end of
year, I will be serving this site out of my home using DSL, and I will
be
able to add search.
- Email addresses have been removed from the "From" field. If email
addresses appear in the message body, they have not been removed - this
would be tough to do.
- Attachments are not included, for space reasons.
- Hyperlinks should be clickable, but a MAJOR bug in the hyperlink stuff
screws up messages with hyperlinks. This will be fixed REAL soon.
- Although the archiver is an automatic process, I still have to
manually
collect emails sent to the list into a folder and run the archiver.
Because
of this, there may be missing or duplicate items. Also, this means that
I
will not be able to update the archive on an hourly or daily basis. I
hope
to update frequently though.

Let me know how you like the site, and if it shows up OK on your browser
(IE4+, NS4+ recommended). My web provider theoretically provides me with
unlimited disk space, but if they decide for some reason to pull it,
I'll
have to take the archive off until I can host the site myself.

From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: Trams of the world

Date: 09 Sep 1999 21:04:52 -0500


>Check out this amazing url about trams of the world. There is a large
>pic of a tram in Calcutta, which I'll probably incorporate into my emu
>enigma site under dc emus.
>
>
><A HREF="http://tramway.com/bs/bs_liste_index_e.htm">http://tramway.com/bs/bs_liste_index_e.htm</A>
>
Quite an interesting site. Toronto is one of the streetcar capitals of
the
world, or at least of North America. Toronto once owned the world's
largest
fleet of PCC streetcars, including cars that the Toronto Transit
Commission
purchased from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Louisville, Kansas City, and even
Birmingham, Alabama. But they are now just a memory; Toronto's last PCC
car
was retired in 1996. You can view one of Toronto's PCCs at
<A HREF="http://www.tramway.com/bs/cdntoron.jpg">http://www.tramway.com/bs/cdntoron.jpg</A> PCC is "Presidential Conference
Committee", a conference of the presidents of public transit systems in
Canada and the USA in the 1930s that resulted in the development of the
Art
Deco-styled PCC car, which first went into service in Toronto in 1938.


BTW, the public transit system in Hamilton, Ontario is still called the
"Hamilton Street Railway", even though the last tram route was replaced
by
buses more than 40 years ago.

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Mike Brooker
99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
CANADA
(416) 536-7406
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From: Transparent Energy, New Delhi <>

Subject: Re: Delhi Area Questions - Daya Basti v. Delhi Sarai Rohilla, etc.

Date: 09 Sep 1999 22:03:01 -0500


>Delhi almost too... just a few outstanding questions.
>
>(1) Daya Basti station lies on the Delhi Sarai Rohilla -Sakur Basti -
Rohtak route. But, >it also appears on some maps to be linked to Patel
Nagar (which is itself both on the >"circular route" around Delhi AND on
the
BG/MG route to Delhi Cantt. -> Garhi >Harsaru). Is all this correct?

Daya Basti is on both the arms of a bifurcating line(actually it is a
triangle, the third arm being a part of the goods avoiding line). Just
like
Raja-Ki-Mandi etc.

> Is Sarai Rohilla (the terminus for MG) also a BG station?


No, the parrellel BG station(common footover bridge) Vivekanand Puri
Halt.
Delhi Kishanganj is also within walking distance beyond the goods yard.

>(2) Are any stations missing (OR RENAMED - e.g. Safdar Jang?) along
this
route:
>Hazrat Nizamuddin Jn.,Lajpat Nagar, Sewa Nagar, Lodhi Colony, Sarojini
Nagar, Safdar Jang, Chanakyapuri, SP Marg, Barar Square, Naraina Vihar,
Kirti Nagar, Patel Nagar,Daya Basti
>

The correct link is:-

HNZN, Lajpat Nagar, Sewa Nagar, Lodi Colony, Sarojini Nagar, (Delhi)
Safdarjung, Chanakya Puri (Halt), Sardar Patel Marg (Halt), Brar Square,
(Delhi Inder Puri Halt), Naraina Vihar, Kirti Nagar, Patel Nagar, Daya
Basti.


>(3) I understand there is no direct route from Kirti Nagar to Delhi
Cantt.
without passing Patel Nagar. Am I right?
>


No, you are wrong. Kirti Nagar is between Patel Nagar and Delhi Cantt.
To put your question correctly, there certainly is a parallel BG and MG
line
which go past the Kirti Nagar station(about 100 Mtr. from the platform)
climb a height and then cross over the ring railway electrified double
lines
by means of an over bridge. earlier both these lines used to be MG.
However
there is also a single line direct link(for goods trains only) from
Delhi
Cantt. to Kirti Nagar.


>(4) While the main line from Sahibabad to Delhi goes via Delhi Shahdara
to
Delhi Jn., there is a second line Sahibabad-Anand Vihar. I believe (from
3
maps) that from here, there are two routes:
>
> NDLS X
> X
> X
>Shivaji Bridge X
> X
> X To Anand Vihar
> Tilak Bridge X X
> XXX X
> X XXXX
> XXX
>Pragati Maidan X
> X
> X
>Hazrat Nizam. X
>
>Is this correct?


Your map is not clear to me. There are four lines from NDLS to Tilak
Bridge
which are shared by mainline and subarban traffic to
Ghaziabad/Faridabad(Palwal) and beyond. After Tilak Bridge, there are
five
lines. Two run leftwards to cross Yamuna river and via Anand Vihar go on
to
join the lines coming fron Delhi Jn. - Delhi Shahdra etc at Sahibabad.

Two lines go as mainline to H. Nizamuddin(running past Pragati maidan)
and
the single line has a station called Pragati Maidan. Only ring railway
EMUs
take this route.

>(5) Is Minto Bridge the old name for Shivaji Bridge?


Yes, actually the bridge is still popularly referred as Minto Bridge.

best wishes for your project.

Harsh

P.S. Sorry for being such a nerd. I could still never understand your
120
Kkm. Do you mean to say that you have travelled 120, 000 Kms on IR !?
If yes, please tell me how much % of total IR routes have you covered?

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Presenting, at last - the IRFCA Mail Archive!

Date: 09 Sep 1999 22:31:28 -0500


Hello Shanku
Pereverance and hard work have finally borne fruit. Congratulations.
Nice to see the archive on the web at last. I've noted that the links
are not yet functional.

A few points, which I'm sure most will agree to:

1. Is it possible to classify the posts in any way: ideally monthwise,
subjectwise or member-wise. I think monthwise will be least troublesome,
and will provide the maximum variety.

2. Another suggestion: try and include only the most important posts of
that month: that is, posts which provide solid info on ir subjects. One
problem here is that some members may feel offended as to why their
posts have been omitted, but as archieves meant to serve as a long time
reference tool, regular run of the mail mails can be given the skip.

What say others? Any ideas?

Cheers.

Shankar





Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> Although my work on the IRFCA.ORG web site is progressing a bit slower
than
> I had hoped (for various reasons), I am happy to tell you that the
first
> version of the IRFCA.ORG mail archive is now available. The location
for the
> archive is
>
> <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/mail">http://www.irfca.org/mail</A>
>
> Please note the following limitations:
> - All the non-mail links on the page will not work - they point to
other
> parts of the IRFCA site which I have not put up yet. It gives you a
rough
> idea of the site design though.
> - Although there is a table of contents, there are no other indices.
These
> may be added later.
> - There is no threaded view. This may be added later.
> - Search, a truly useful feature, can't be added right now, because I
can't
> put a search engine on the server (it's not mine). Hopefully, by end
of
> year, I will be serving this site out of my home using DSL, and I will
be
> able to add search.
> - Email addresses have been removed from the "From" field. If email
> addresses appear in the message body, they have not been removed -
this
> would be tough to do.
> - Attachments are not included, for space reasons.
> - Hyperlinks should be clickable, but a MAJOR bug in the hyperlink
stuff
> screws up messages with hyperlinks. This will be fixed REAL soon.
> - Although the archiver is an automatic process, I still have to
manually
> collect emails sent to the list into a folder and run the archiver.
Because
> of this, there may be missing or duplicate items. Also, this means
that I
> will not be able to update the archive on an hourly or daily basis. I
hope
> to update frequently though.
>
> Let me know how you like the site, and if it shows up OK on your
browser
> (IE4+, NS4+ recommended). My web provider theoretically provides me
with
> unlimited disk space, but if they decide for some reason to pull it,
I'll
> have to take the archive off until I can host the site myself.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)

Date: 09 Sep 1999 22:36:09 -0500


Hello Rajan,
Interesting account, and welcome back.
I do look forward to viewing your KR site again.
I think there is a map of the Bombay VT yard in Apurva Bahadur's site:
thre is a link in his index, which might be of some use to you.
I'd forwarded an url to SAmit showing on-going and required works in the
Bombay suburban area (right upto Mankhurd), and can forward it to you
if you wish.
Cheers.
Shankar



Rajan Mathew wrote:
>
> Hi Gang ...
>
> I'm reading 300 messages right now and replying to some .... (10 days
of
> IRFCA Mail) ... my hard disk crashed here ... and I was out of touch
with
> the railworld news network .... Well I'm glad to be back.
>
> Theres been no time to give a brief write up on my weekend to Chiplun
...
> which I went by the Matsyagandha and returned by the Madgaon - Mumbai
> Intercity (renamed a few days back as the "Mandvi" express). The trip,
to
> capsulate it, was nothing less than excellent.
>
> I must say that the Diva Vasai trip is a real peaceful slow trip (good
for a
> lazy getaway from the Mumbai suburban network) and extremely beautiful
> scenery too. the frequency of the trains coul be improved - say by
operating
> additional services with the same rake during the day.
>
> I'm working on a revised edition of my Konkan Railway Pages and site
on
> Indian Railway - a collection of my picture stock and diagrams. and
will put
> it up soon
>
> If anyone needs the diagrams drawn by me so far .. please mail me ...
they
> are JPEG files.
> 1. Diva Dombivali Diagram
> 2. Kurla Area Diagram
> More maps will follow .... I was infact taking up the toughest of them
all
> ... Mumbai CST
>
> I suggest that maybe if the Bombay members of the gang could meet
.... and
> if it is an extraordinary meeting, Appu and folks from Pune could
join in
> .... lets see what can be worked out. Am looking for company for
"Active
> Train Spotting"
>
> Anyway ... I'm off to Chennai (6009) now (Ive been waiting for this a
long
> long time ... wanted to see Chennai Central, Egmore, the MRT and the
MG
> locals) and onward to Hyderabad (Charminar Exp) .... will be back next
> thursday (by Hussainsagar Exp) ...
>
> Till then regards / Rajan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
> To: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
> Cc: Indian Rails <irfca@cs.email Mehta, Sarosh
<sarosh@godrej.email
> Mathew, Rajan <rajanmathew@telebot.email
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > It moved to Bhivandi Rd.,covering this distance ,in only 12
minutes.Then
> on
> > > to Vasai halting at midway stations listed by Sarosh in his mail.
> Reached
> > > almost on time. The distance covered was about 32 KMS. And thru
cabin ,
> I
> > > saw -Viraf next to the track for a quick response to nature's
call.
> Then,
> > > Sarosh was waiting on the platform.
> >
> > Viraf has usually a strange organic reactions seeing a train !
> >
> > > I carried with me, a printout of a perfect location map posted
sometime
> > > back by one of our group member. And handed over this copy to the
> Drivers.
> > > They too liked it very much. Now , I forgot the mailer. But many
Thanks
> > > to him as well.
> >
> > The cartographer /mailer is our own dear Rajan Mathew ! He has made
not
> only the
> > map of the area but also the route that the various trains take with
the
> sequence
> > (the Vasai DMU waits on the Dn loop line,. while the Deccan Queen
takes
> the main
> > line etc), in glorious colour, I may add. Maybe Rajan should put
these
> great maps
> > on his website. I had also requested him to make similar maps of the
> intricate
> > suburban and dockyard system, maybe the New Mumbai / Turbe lines
too.
> >
> > > They liked the snaps taken by Viraf on his recent trip to
Wankaner &
> Morbi.
> > > And were surprised to see the steam still in action on that route.
> >
> > Good to find friendly drivers, the sweetest community in the world.
Now
> that you
> > have pataoed them, maybe a foray into the KR (on the footplate of
course)
> is not
> > too far away.
> >
> > > The train left Dombivli facing the CST direction after taking a
big left
> > > side turn crossing over the main line near Dombivli- entered Vasai
> facing
> > > the Virar direction. And on return trip the Churchgate side end(
which
> was
> > > Kalyan end when it left Dombivli) worked as the Drivers cabin & at
Diva
> it
> > > entered facing CST. And the cabin in which we started from
Dombivli now
> > > was facing Kalyan side. So isn't this a act similar to the
Turn-Table
> act,
> > > where a locomotive is turned around 180 deg.!
> >
> > Does this mean that a loco leaving short hood leading returns as
long hood
> leading
> > ?
> >
> > > The drivers do 2 days on this section & other days of the week on
the
> Diva
> > > -Roha section .So sometime next week shall meet them again at
station &
> > > pass on the snaps we took on this pleasant trip.
> >
> > As much as the Godrej gang is cut up with me about the slow progress
of
> their
> > Wankaner webpages, I would again volunteer to upload all these pics
to the
> net on a
> > separate webpage. Their WKR pages should be up by tomorrow I guess.
Is is
> the 135
> > pictures and the juggling between 2 tripod sites that is taking so
much
> time.
> > Please send me all the Diva - Vasai pics, I am relatively free now.
> >
> > Apurva
> >
> >
> >

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)

Date: 09 Sep 1999 23:03:34 -0500


>
> I suggest that maybe if the Bombay members of the gang could meet
.... and
> if it is an extraordinary meeting, Appu and folks from Pune could
join in
> .... lets see what can be worked out. Am looking for company for
"Active
> Train Spotting"

Hi Rajan,

I am game. Lets meet first & decide the spot.

Viraf

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