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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 05 Sep 1999 01:12:31 -0500


> Yes, the drivers told me that using the regenerative brakes heats up
the motor and
> results in a fire.

The blower is always running to cool the motors so regen is not a
specially destructive mode
for the loco. But the complication of feeding back the electricity to
the grid is
considerable, so dymanic is better. Please remember that the 'newest'
locos on the Mumbai -
Pune DC section for a long time were the WCG 2s in 1971 ! Between that
time till 2 -3 years
back the older DC locos handled heroic loads through the steepest BG
ghat anywhere in the
world. Now the burden has eased (and cleared the process to scrap the
older powers ?) by the
introduction of the sophisticated WCAM 3s. Dynamic brakes are much
easier to implement as
the generated energy has to be dissipated only in the loco.

> In fact, I had myself seen three DC electric locos on fire - two in
> the
> Ghat section and the third nearabouts Ulhasnagar. All of them of some
other train
> running in the opposite direction of the train by which I was
travelling. Once, I saw
> the copper OHE wire melt ! Must have caused quite a disruption.

This was common due to the older technology used in the locos and the
damp humid conditions
of Mumbai with the torrential rainfall in the ghats and Pune. There was
a bad patch in
1992-93 where there was virtually a loco failure everyday and I never
remember long distance
trains like 11 Dn to Chennai come on time. In those days there was a
perpetual loco shortage
and I frequently saw WCM 2s and 5s with bad electrical damage at Pune
shed. Some had a hole
in the side due to the electrical fires. As much as I miss the WCM 1s
and 2s, the newer WCAM
3s have done a lot to improve the reliability in our section.

> Was it bad design or lack of Mtce. or maybe very old powers, I could
not make out.
> But once the driver showed me the operation of the Regenerative brakes
and, luckily,
> there was no fire. I hope that such incidents are rare these days. But
if the Regenerate
> brakes are not a standard ops. procedure, why provide them at all in
the D.C. locos.

My guess is that regen brakes were a 'marketing feature' rather than a
serious requirement.
I wonder if the blunders made during selection are recorded anywhere,
also if we have
learnt from the past mistakes. I would very much like to read these
documents of the
railways.

> And yes, could you please check and confirm the massive resistors. It
seems to be a
> very un-practical idea.

As an engineer, using a large resistor to dissipate extra energy sounds
like lot of bunk to
me. There would have to be a voltage sensing mechanism which detects the
high voltage and
then bring these resistors in circuit. I do remember seeing a HUGE
reactor (choke or and
inductor) in the Thankurwadi substation to smoothen the ripple on the
rectified line. For
some reason the rectifiers were referred to as 'inverters'. It was great
to see this ancient
stone building housing ancient electrical equipment in the substation
complex with lots of
brass knife switches.

Apurva

From: Prakash Tendulkar <>

Subject: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 05 Sep 1999 09:40:54 -0500


Hi Apurva and Srinivas,

I must admit that my experience about CR electric
locos is very limited and is nowhere near the
Hands-on experience that you folks have. Here are
some of the bits that I can offer.

1) These Electric locos were introduced around 1928
and were based on Swiss experience where Regenerative
Braking on slopes was common.

2) The traffic was much lighter then than that of
1960s. The OHE had only two conductors instead of
three in 60s (and today)

3) Instead of silicone rectifiers, substations used
Mercury Arc Rectifiers housed in glass domes those
days. So banks of wire wound resistors and brass
knife switches was a common sight in substations.

4) CR and WR took different approach in distribution
of DC power. WR emphasized on building more sub-
Stations close to each other. CR continued on large
Substations and used third conductor on OH to reduce
losses.

5) Based on technology, traffic and availability of
power generating stations in 1928, Regenerative
braking was suitable option rather than marketing
gimmicks.

During my stay in Lonavala (as a part of my first
job), I enjoyed rides in Ghat engines on regular
basis and have seen regenerative braking being used
successfully without any major problems.

I would attribute the success of this operation, i.e.
Regenerative braking, to two factors. One, the locos
were in better shape then, two, the load was balanced
by the traffic pattern and traffic load was lighter.

I knew CR resorted to use pairs of WDM2s as Ghat
engines in early 70s but did not know (and do not
know even today) if the decision was based on
shortage of locos (as Apurva mentioned) or due to
changes in policy.

Dynamic braking is certainly superior to Regenerative
braking from operational point of view, since the
energy is dissipated locally. However, based on
technology in 1928, when wire wound resistors
occupied too much of real estate in locos (or mercury
arc rectifiers could not fit in locos making AC
operation impossible to implement,) Regenerative
braking was the only viable option on the slopes of
Bhor Ghat.

Unrelated to Regenerative braking; in earlier mail,
Apurva had mentioned about two types of drivers, one
who would know immediately if any cylinder in WDM2 is
not firing right or realize immediately of the
slightest loss in braking power of their rake and the
others who would not know anything of these.

My experience with WR drivers in Mumbai, Valsad and
Xapa (Hapa) indicates that most of the drivers in WR
belonged to the first type. I know a Sikh driver, who
was the best in dynamic braking and diagnose any
problem with his power, when he was barely a C-grade
driver. I also know two Parsi M/men, Tantra and
Palkhiwala, both retired long time back, who were
"exceptionally" great in auto braking EMUs. At Xapa,
I stayed with a Maharashrian A-grade driver who wore
white shirt and white trousers while operating a
steam loco. He would spend an hour getting his loco
cleaned before starting from Xapa. BTW, Apurva, he
has settled in Pune after retiring from WR with a
spotless driving record.

On CR, I did not know too many drivers but I can
certainly vouch for Late Kaka Bhagwat, a legendary
driver from Pune; he certainly would understand any
problem in his power and rake.

Prakash


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 05 Sep 1999 10:04:21 -0500


> I knew CR resorted to use pairs of WDM2s as Ghat
> engines in early 70s but did not know (and do not
> know even today) if the decision was based on
> shortage of locos (as Apurva mentioned) or due to
> changes in policy.

It was a temporary shortage in the substation capacity more than
anything else.

Apurva

From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: sleeping in train; fog

Date: 05 Sep 1999 16:07:01 -0500


>I do not know if I am a minority here, but I would love to take long
circuitous journeys in AC sleeper just for the wonderful dreamless sleep
that are just not possible on my own (land) bed. I love sleeping in a
train
!
>
Me too! I also had such an experience aboard the 2ac sleepers. I could
feel the presence of the Divine Mother, gently rocking me to sleep.

Also, by spending the night on the train you avoid the nasty hotel
touts!

I didn't note any fog when I was in Delhi in December '95 (my flight
wasn't
delayed), but in Mathura the early morning fog was so thick that I
couldn't
see the street from the door of my hotel. But it burned off by about 10
am.
To borrow a famous moment in Canadian sports history, the fog was like
the
1962 Grey Cup game (Canadian Football League championship). That game
was
suspended because of fog, and concluded the following day. Not only
couldn't the spectators and TV audience see the game, but the
quarterback
couldn't even see his receivers.
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Mike Brooker
99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
CANADA
(416) 536-7406
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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: More Wankaner/ Morbi pics site

Date: 05 Sep 1999 20:40:00 -0500


Hello Appu, and also Viraf, Sarosh and Shrinivas,
I have actually been going over all your webpages over the past couple
of days (call it nostalgia), and I'd seen these pics, as well as your
own pics at that time itself. I didn't acknowledge earlier as you had
still not formally announced them.
Terrific pics: i t was like a journey back in time.
ABSOLUTE KILLERS were the sunrise shot over Morbi shed (which I set as
wallpaper instantly!!) and the YG emerging from behind a blanket of
steam.
Of your pics, the crossing pic was very good.
Long live the gory of steam. It is amusing, yet tragic to see the
steamer with only one smoke deflector: amusing at the one missing
deflector, yet pathetic to see the extent to which steam has
degenerated.
Cheers.
Shankar.

PS The Australia pics were terrific too. I haven't seen them is detail
yet.




Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> I ahve just completed Viraf/ Sarosh and Shriniwas' Wankaner, Morbi,
Dahinsara,
> Vavania, Maliya and Gandhidham pics - This is a large site with 135
pics.
> Go to:
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
> and click on the last link
>
> Let me know if a link does not work - let our friends know if you like
their pics !
>
> Apurva

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Sunrise at Morbi and Vasai-Diva!!!

Date: 05 Sep 1999 23:20:30 -0500


I am keeping ALL my fingers crossed as I always do on the day that I
collect my photographs. The problem with me is that I get carried
away whenever I am on such a trip. Tomorrow I shall let you know how
the Vasai-Diva snaps have come out.

Sarosh.

PS: I have already had a photograph of a YP at Ahmedabad laminated
and adorning my living room. However, the centrepiece is the one I
had taken at Tiger Hill of the sunrise breaking over on
Mt.Kanchanjanga, a rare and lovely sight indeed! Unfortunately,
nothing to do with railways.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Trains after loco names

Date: 06 Sep 1999 02:25:39 -0500


Gang !

There was a recent mail about a train named after the Sentinel
railcar. I did notice a number of railcar services separately
marked, they are not mentioned as 'passenger'. I think it is
to warn the passenger not to expect any toilets !
I found one more train named after its loco on the lines of
the Sentinel railcar, this is from the 1999 WR time table. The
run is Samni - Dahej - Samni (table 53, page 128) and the
train pair is 417 Dn/ 418 Up whose name is ZDM II (2nd class
only). Not that there is any distinction required, for these
are the only train pairs that ply this route.
I hope to see many more WDM 2 express or a WAP 4 mail
somewhere :-)

Apurva

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 06 Sep 1999 02:28:01 -0500


On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Prakash Tendulkar wrote:

> Hi !
>
> > Such bastards like Bal Thakeray,
> > L.K.Advani etc.should be shot.
>
> First of all, IRFCA is dedicated to IR issues and not politics.
>
> Two, I admire both these leaders and I am offended
> by your rakeless language. Please be careful next
> time.
>
> Prakash
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I think Mr Prakash is getting hyper and personal ! Why can't you call
a spade a spade, white is white and not yellow - then Bastards are
Bastards ! There is no reckless language used by anyone and you have to
accept what you have to accept. Dont we abuse Mr. Nitish Kumar or Ram
Naik ? There is nothing political whicch is absolute and it is only
relative.

Don't you see the way these white clad dark glassed politicians have
SCREWED OUR LIVES AND NATION UMPTEEN NO OF TIMES ! SHANKAR I WHOLE
HEARTEDLY SUPPPORT YOU ! LET US BE FRANK AND NOT H Y P O C R A T E S !
!

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Report from Internation steam page

Date: 06 Sep 1999 05:16:16 -0500


"Good news for Steam Lovers of the World. Please circulate it.
An HGS class broad gauge (5'6")
steam locomotive of 1928 has been made ready at Calcutta by
the Howrah division of the Eastern
Railway and has also done a couple of trial runs. This loco is
scheduled to do a commemorative run
between Howrah & Bandel(41 kms) on 29th August 1999. I am
trying to make this event widely
known. The man behind this effort is Jayanta Ghosh, the
Divisional Railway Manager of Howrah
Division. This is the best thing for steam to happen in India
after the phenomenal run of the Fairy
Queen. Our clan is slowly but steadily growing in India."

Check out the Internation Steam page:
<A HREF="http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/zh62/index.htm">http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/zh62/index.htm</A>

Apurva

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 06 Sep 1999 07:23:43 -0500


WELL SAID
i second, third fouth etc etc etc it

samit

----- Original Message -----
From: poras p.saklatwalla <pps@godrej.email
To: Prakash Tendulkar <irfca_mail@yahoo.email
Cc: <shankie@emirates.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 14:58
Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses


> On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Prakash Tendulkar wrote:
>
> > Hi !
> >
> > > Such bastards like Bal Thakeray,
> > > L.K.Advani etc.should be shot.
> >
> > First of all, IRFCA is dedicated to IR issues and not politics.
> >
> > Two, I admire both these leaders and I am offended
> > by your rakeless language. Please be careful next
> > time.
> >
> > Prakash
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Bid and sell for free at <A HREF="http://auctions.yahoo.com">http://auctions.yahoo.com</A>
> >
>
>
>
> I think Mr Prakash is getting hyper and personal ! Why can't you
call
> a spade a spade, white is white and not yellow - then Bastards are
> Bastards ! There is no reckless language used by anyone and you have
to
> accept what you have to accept. Dont we abuse Mr. Nitish Kumar or Ram
> Naik ? There is nothing political whicch is absolute and it is only
> relative.
>
> Don't you see the way these white clad dark glassed politicians have
> SCREWED OUR LIVES AND NATION UMPTEEN NO OF TIMES ! SHANKAR I WHOLE
> HEARTEDLY SUPPPORT YOU ! LET US BE FRANK AND NOT H Y P O C R A T E S
! !
>
>
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Proposed Nilgiri SLM power

Date: 06 Sep 1999 07:34:18 -0500


Gang !

Here is a profile of the SLM rack power meant for the NMR.
<A HREF="http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/whodom/slm.html">http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/whodom/slm.html</A>

From: Suresh Mutuswami <>

Subject: Re:Fw: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 06 Sep 1999 08:37:45 -0500


On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Samit Roychoudhury wrote:

> WELL SAID
> i second, third fouth etc etc etc it
>
> samit
>
>
> > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Prakash Tendulkar wrote:
> >
> > > Hi !
> > >
> > > > Such bastards like Bal Thakeray,
> > > > L.K.Advani etc.should be shot.
> > >
> > > First of all, IRFCA is dedicated to IR issues and not politics.
> > >
> > > Two, I admire both these leaders and I am offended
> > > by your rakeless language. Please be careful next
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Prakash
> >
> >
> > I think Mr Prakash is getting hyper and personal ! Why can't you
call
> > a spade a spade, white is white and not yellow - then Bastards are
> > Bastards ! There is no reckless language used by anyone and you
have to
> > accept what you have to accept. Dont we abuse Mr. Nitish Kumar or
Ram
> > Naik ? There is nothing political whicch is absolute and it is only
> > relative.
> >
> > Don't you see the way these white clad dark glassed politicians have
> > SCREWED OUR LIVES AND NATION UMPTEEN NO OF TIMES ! SHANKAR I WHOLE
> > HEARTEDLY SUPPPORT YOU ! LET US BE FRANK AND NOT H Y P O C R A T E
S ! !

This strand of discussion needs to be ended before it gets out of
hand. I agree that politics cannot altogether be kept out of this
forum,
but I think the following rule might be adopted: Politics and
politicians
can be discussed insofar as they relate to Indian Railways functioning.
However, any discussion of politics which does not concern IR in any way
should not be encouraged. It would be better also if discussions
involving politicians did not involve their personalities and/or
ancestry. Those interested in discussing politicians' ancestry can
always look to other internet forums, of which there are quite a
few available.

Suresh

From: Prakash Tendulkar <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 06 Sep 1999 09:21:13 -0500



--- "poras p.saklatwalla " <pps@godrej.email wrote:
>I think Mr Prakash is getting hyper and personal !
>Why can't you call a spade a spade, white is white
>and not yellow - then Bastards are Bastards !
>There is no reckless language used by anyone and you
>have to accept what you have to accept. Dont we
>abuse Mr. Nitish Kumar or Ram Naik ? There is
>nothing political which is absolute and it is only
>relative.

>Don't you see the way these white clad dark glassed
>politicians have SCREWED OUR LIVES AND NATION
>UMPTEEN NO OF TIMES ! SHANKAR I WHOLE HEARTEDLY
>SUPPPORT YOU ! LET US BE FRANK AND NOT
>H Y P O C R A T E S ! !

--- Samit Roychoudhury <samr@vsnl.email wrote:
>WELL SAID
>I second, third fourth etc etc etc it

Poras and Samit,

No, this is not personal if you attack politicians
and yes, it is personal, if you do so on IRFCA.

There are forums like SCI (soc.culture.indian) and
FOIL (Forum of Indian Leftists) to name a few, where
you can go ahead and wash your dirty linens without
offending anyone. I do not care what you write those
forums.

No so on IRFCA. That's a difference between a temple
and toilet, although both the words start with an
alphabet "T".

Contributors have criticized politicians freely on
IRFCA when the issue was directly related to IR.
However, civilized criticism is altogether different
than assigning arbitrary pedigree to politicians.

Don't forget the fact that you are citizens of India
and you are the ones who elect and nurture these
politicians. So be prepared to pay for your deeds and
share the blame among yourselves only but not on
IRFCA.

Choice is yours! Good Luck!

Prakash
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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Goddesses

Date: 06 Sep 1999 09:38:18 -0500


>On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Prakash Tendulkar wrote:
>>S.Shankar wrote:
>>>Such bastards like Bal Thakeray, L.K.Advani etc.should be shot.
>>First of all, IRFCA is dedicated to IR issues and not politics.
>>Two, I admire both these leaders and I am offended
>>by your rakeless language. Please be careful next time.
>>Prakash

poras p.saklatwalla said:
>I think Mr Prakash is getting hyper and personal ! Why can't you call
>a spade a spade, white is white and not yellow - then Bastards are
>Bastards ! There is no reckless language used by anyone and you have
to
>accept what you have to accept.
>Don't you see the way these white clad dark glassed politicians have
>SCREWED OUR LIVES AND NATION UMPTEEN NO OF TIMES ! SHANKAR I WHOLE
>HEARTEDLY SUPPPORT YOU ! LET US BE FRANK AND NOT H Y P O C R A T E S !
!


Dear Poras and others,

As a relative newcomer/outsider, pardon me for expressing my opinion.

Mr Shankar should not have written what he did here in a Railways
mailing list (where people of all sorts of ages, and political
persuasions, may be expected), and he quickly apologized for doing so.
His comments were not really relevant to IR.

It is my experience that taking the approach that you now appear to be
propounding often causes a rapid deterioration in the friendliness and
general good-nature of the group. Some people leave, others are
reluctant to contribute in case they get insulted or embroiled in a
fight. One only has to dip a toe into Usenet and see 95% of it is
pointless flames.

Not expressing one's views in inappropriate forums is not being
hypocritical, IMO.

Incidentally, I thought Prakash's joke ("rakeless" as in both 'reckless'
and 'without relevance to trains') was very subtle and funny! :)

Just my Rs 0.02 - forgive my intrusion, I now return to my bradshaws and
maps.... :)


Regards to all

Larry


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From: S Pai <>

Subject: Please stop [Re: Train names, Queens and Godesse]

Date: 06 Sep 1999 09:58:39 -0500



I agree with Suresh completely. Discussion and criticism of politics
and politicians (insofar as they relate to IR, or in threads of issues
perhaps arising from such discussions) are certainly acceptable, but
personal remarks, name-calling, or mudslinging about politicians or
anybody else for that matter, are not, IMO, appropriate for this
group.

Let us please drop this contentious thread *NOW*, before it degenerates
further into a flame-fest.

--Satish

From: S Pai <>

Subject: sleepers

Date: 06 Sep 1999 10:50:17 -0500



No, not the coaches with sleeping accommodations, but the ties between
rails. :-)

What kinds of sleepers does IR use these days? Are the majority (of
the new ones) wooden? What kinds of wood? There are many places
where it looks like there is just a thin metal connector between the
rails instead of a regular sleeper -- what are those? (Sometimes this
appears in conjunction with one wooden piece for each rail rather than
a sleeper spanning the track, or what looks like a prestressed
concrete beam of some sort under the track.

How many places have concrete rail-beds, or other innovations? Any new
or experimental technology being tried out today? (I guess most of
these
are too costly for general use.)

These questions arose in my mind after I came across a description of
worrying levels of deforestation in some areas (which had the
appropriate kinds of trees) in the last century as a result of the
expansion of railways in India and the consequent demand for timber
for the sleepers. I will post an excerpt shortly. But it got me to
thinking that if people were worried about it in the last century,
things must have got a lot worse by now unless there's been some
change such as using timber only from managed forests or improving the
life of the sleepers.

--Satish

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: sleepers

Date: 06 Sep 1999 11:25:30 -0500


Hello,
Actually Satish, I haven't worked on the FAQ for AGES now: my profound
apologies. I'll get cracking ver soon.
Actually, especially due to the deforestation problem, the IR had
adopted the policy of using only steel sleepers a couple of decades ago.
Several creostating plants were shut down due to this.
Concrete sleepers are now being turned out in their thousands by several
subsidiaries of the Indian Hume Pipe co, and are being used as a matter
of policy on all high speed and trunk routes.
Steel sleepers cover the rest of the routes.
Of course, wooden sleepers are still being use, but I do not think any
new ones have been added for a while now.
Concrete beds have been provided at several stations to facilitate
washing, but on routes, I suppose apart from parts of the Calcutta
underground, the concept was tried out on the Konkan Railway. (I do now
know what percentage of the route though).
Cheers.
Shankar



S Pai wrote:
>
> No, not the coaches with sleeping accommodations, but the ties between
> rails. :-)
>
> What kinds of sleepers does IR use these days? Are the majority (of
> the new ones) wooden? What kinds of wood? There are many places
> where it looks like there is just a thin metal connector between the
> rails instead of a regular sleeper -- what are those? (Sometimes this
> appears in conjunction with one wooden piece for each rail rather than
> a sleeper spanning the track, or what looks like a prestressed
> concrete beam of some sort under the track.
>
> How many places have concrete rail-beds, or other innovations? Any new
> or experimental technology being tried out today? (I guess most of
these
> are too costly for general use.)
>
> These questions arose in my mind after I came across a description of
> worrying levels of deforestation in some areas (which had the
> appropriate kinds of trees) in the last century as a result of the
> expansion of railways in India and the consequent demand for timber
> for the sleepers. I will post an excerpt shortly. But it got me to
> thinking that if people were worried about it in the last century,
> things must have got a lot worse by now unless there's been some
> change such as using timber only from managed forests or improving the
> life of the sleepers.
>
> --Satish

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Sunrise at Morbi and Vasai-Diva!!!

Date: 06 Sep 1999 11:25:49 -0500


Hello,
That adds to the thrill, waiting for the pics to come back from the lab.
I look forward to seeing them.
Cheers.
Shankar

PS: Did you receive my post about the steam comeback?



S.B.Mehta wrote:
>
> I am keeping ALL my fingers crossed as I always do on the day that I
> collect my photographs. The problem with me is that I get carried
> away whenever I am on such a trip. Tomorrow I shall let you know how
> the Vasai-Diva snaps have come out.
>
> Sarosh.
>
> PS: I have already had a photograph of a YP at Ahmedabad laminated
> and adorning my living room. However, the centrepiece is the one I
> had taken at Tiger Hill of the sunrise breaking over on
> Mt.Kanchanjanga, a rare and lovely sight indeed! Unfortunately,
> nothing to do with railways.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Trains after loco names

Date: 06 Sep 1999 11:25:55 -0500


Hello,
I do not know whether the ZDM had anything to do with the class of
engine that hauls it!! Very interesting: first time I'm hearing anythng
like this.
The words RC were once used to denote 'railcar' esp on the Kalka Simla
Dharmavaram-Kolar and Gwalior-Sheopur Kalan routes.
I used to to intrigued by a certain JPJ passenger: I felt pretty silly
afterwards when I realized it was Jodhpur-Jaisalmer passenger.
Cheers.
Shankar



Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> There was a recent mail about a train named after the Sentinel
> railcar. I did notice a number of railcar services separately
> marked, they are not mentioned as 'passenger'. I think it is
> to warn the passenger not to expect any toilets !
> I found one more train named after its loco on the lines of
> the Sentinel railcar, this is from the 1999 WR time table. The
> run is Samni - Dahej - Samni (table 53, page 128) and the
> train pair is 417 Dn/ 418 Up whose name is ZDM II (2nd class
> only). Not that there is any distinction required, for these
> are the only train pairs that ply this route.
> I hope to see many more WDM 2 express or a WAP 4 mail
> somewhere :-)
>
> Apurva

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Report from Internation steam page

Date: 06 Sep 1999 11:26:11 -0500


Hello,
I 'd chanced upon this as well while browsing today. The test run was to
be on 29 Aug. Anyone know whether it actually took place?
In the same page, Lohani has also reported about the two WPs being
resurrected. Nice to see that he still takes interest in preservation,
after leaving the NRM.
Things are getting a bit interesting on the IR:
the HGS, two resurrected WPs, the resurrected Fairy Queen, proposal for
a live steam museum at Rewari (is the rumor true?)
Wonder what came of the two WPs.
Cheers.
Shankar



Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> "Good news for Steam Lovers of the World. Please circulate it.
> An HGS class broad gauge (5'6")
> steam locomotive of 1928 has been made ready at Calcutta by
> the Howrah division of the Eastern
> Railway and has also done a couple of trial runs. This loco is
> scheduled to do a commemorative run
> between Howrah & Bandel(41 kms) on 29th August 1999. I am
> trying to make this event widely
> known. The man behind this effort is Jayanta Ghosh, the
> Divisional Railway Manager of Howrah
> Division. This is the best thing for steam to happen in India
> after the phenomenal run of the Fairy
> Queen. Our clan is slowly but steadily growing in India."
>
> Check out the Internation Steam page:
> <A HREF="http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/zh62/index.htm">http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/zh62/index.htm</A>
>
> Apurva

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