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From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)

Date: 04 Sep 1999 02:17:58 -0500



Hi!

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> > The train left Dombivli facing the CST direction after taking a big
left
> > side turn crossing over the main line near Dombivli- entered Vasai
facing
> > the Virar direction. And on return trip the Churchgate side end(
which was
> > Kalyan end when it left Dombivli) worked as the Drivers cabin & at
Diva it
> > entered facing CST. And the cabin in which we started from Dombivli
now
> > was facing Kalyan side. So isn't this a act similar to the
Turn-Table act,
> > where a locomotive is turned around 180 deg.!

> Does this mean that a loco leaving short hood leading returns as long
hood
> leading?

Yes, that 's what happens. But this being DMU, loco is in the middle.
The
effect is just like you say.

> > The drivers do 2 days on this section & other days of the week on
the Diva
> > -Roha section .So sometime next week shall meet them again at
station &
> > pass on the snaps we took on this pleasant trip.

Infact on this KR route we as many as possible should come together &
travel
during the day time & just after the monsoon. These drivers were
describing the
long tunnels & bridges on KR. It will be thrilling if make it just like
WKR
trip.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 04 Sep 1999 02:42:43 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > Until it became so slow that they extended it
> > beyond Delhi and renamed it Toofan Udyan Abha Express or some such.
>
> I love long train names - Toofan Udyan Abha Express is one of my
favourite. I also
> love names of station with a 'road' in it - Mantralayam Road etc.
These are usually
> smaller stations with their own character.
>
> > I think the ultimate slow and circuitous routed train between
Calcutta
> > and Delhi was the now discontinued Upper India Express,
>
> This trains sound great.

Stations with the word " Road" in their names were generally some
distance from the town of that name, and a 'road' would connect the
station to the town, as in Kodaikanal Road.

In 1980 the Upper India Exp left Sealdah at 20.45, departed Bhagalpur at
07.00, Patna at 13.04, Varanasi at 18.46, Tundla at 05.52 , arriving
Delhi at 10.40. No 39 Janata from Howrah was almost two hours faster,
leaving Howrah at 21.10 and arriving Delhi at 08.35.
The Toofan left Howrah at 09.50 and arrived Delhi at 18.40. I caught the
Toofan twice in December 1980, once from Agra Cantt, and once from
Mathura. Both were hauled by gleaming CR WPs,( CWD Tundla-Agra) and
both trains had early arrivals , which I thought most extraordinary
considering the long journeys.
An Agra-Patna journey 13 months later on No 8 Toofan was quite another
story however. My friends from that trip always refer to the train as
"that terrible Toofan."
In the late 1980s, the Toofan became 3007/8 Udyan-Abha Toofan Express,
extended from New Delhi (21.00-21.55, after departing Howrah at the
previous 09.45) to Sri Ganga Nagar.

John Lacey

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Vasai Road - Diva trip!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 02:46:39 -0500



> Sarosh, was the loco at one end or was it in the middle with
> four (five ?)
> coaches on either side ?
>
> Apurva
>
It was in the middle and looking from the driver's cab its
wonderful to watch the deisel belch gouts of black smoke into the
misty and cold morning air!

Sarosh.

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Vasai Road - Diva trip!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 02:57:15 -0500


Hi!

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:


> Sarosh, was the loco at one end or was it in the middle with four
(five?)
> coaches on either side ?

Apurva,

In my earlier mail , it is mentioned that the loco was in the middle
with
3 coaches on either side. So, we were leaning out to catch the sight of
smoke coming out of the loco when it accelerated from zero & we were on
a
curve or turn outs.

Shrinivas

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Toofan Express and similar thoughts

Date: 04 Sep 1999 03:39:47 -0500




Dear John,

Toofan Express (I do not think it was ever a Mail, or was it?) was a
great
travel experience. The last time I did the trip (HWH - NDLS) was back in
1981
going from IIM Cal for the IIT Delhi CulFest. You spend the first day
rumbling
through the boondocks of Bengal and Bihar, and reach Mughalsarai next
morning.
Till Tundra we have traction. Then strangely, from Tundla till Agra
Cantt. we
had a WG (I'm not quite sure, though it certainly wasn't a WP), which
wheezed
along at 25 kmph. The greatest part of the Tundla Agra trip was the
great view
of the Taj, especially from over the Yamuna Bridge.

Then from Agra to Delhi, we had one those gleaming blue CR WP's (which
must've
been used for the Taj Exp) which really zipped us to New Delhi. Believe
me,
there is really nothing like being in a train hauled by a WP at full
throttle,
smoke billowing, and that rhythmic "hiss-hiss" from the engine.
Incidentally,
when in school, myself and my brother used to call WG's as "Flats", and
WP's as
"Bullets" for obvious reasons.

Talking of WP's, Bitragunta on the SR (now SCR) had one of the largest
sheds for
steam. In fact you can still see that radial shed called "The Home of
the Steam
Horses" just when you enter Bitragunta Yard from the south. At Chirala,
the
through line towards Vijaywada had a 150 metre long water trough which
was used
for trials for pick up of water "on-the-run" to enable direct Bitragunta
-
Vijayawada runs for the Southern Express and the Horwah Mail. Great
stuff that.
There are a lot of us that believe that diesel traction was and still is
a
retrograde step, which substituted imported diesel for indigenous coal.
Maybe we
should have gone either steam or electric. I am a great WDM 2 fan, but
still...

Regards

Raymond

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: It is a roadrailer allright

Date: 04 Sep 1999 04:36:54 -0500


Gang!

I have seen the intermodal vehicle again on the station today.
This is a Wabash roadrailer without any doubt. The railway
wheels are the CASNUB (which is ?) bogie. The bogies at either
end have the CBC coupler as well. The entire (motorable) road
going section is suspended on both ends by railway wheels.
There is no 'spine' of the railway vehicle, the frame in
between the railway bogie is of the roadgoing section only.
The motorable road wheels were in the retracted position.
Thus what I saw was a roadrailer. Pics would be available
soon.

Apurva

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 04 Sep 1999 07:46:32 -0500


>> I love long train names - Toofan Udyan Abha Express is one of my
favourite. I also
>> love names of station with a 'road' in it - Mantralayam Road etc.
These
are usually
>> smaller stations with their own character.
>Stations with the word " Road" in their names were generally some
>distance from the town of that name, and a 'road' would connect the
>station to the town, as in Kodaikanal Road.


Sometimes very confusing too! Like Jhalawar Road is actually about 100
Km
from Jhalawar.

>In 1980 the Upper India Exp left Sealdah at 20.45, departed Bhagalpur
at
>07.00, Patna at 13.04, Varanasi at 18.46, Tundla at 05.52 , arriving
>Delhi at 10.40.

The common refrain for Upper India in those days was "Bail Gadi" (a
Bullock
Cart). Unchahar(literally highlands and is a place near Allahabad)
Express
runs on the timings of Upper India(somewhat) but is not as pathetic now.

>The Toofan left Howrah at 09.50 and arrived Delhi at 18.40. I caught
the
>Toofan twice in December 1980, once from Agra Cantt, and once from
>Mathura. Both were hauled by gleaming CR WPs,( CWD Tundla-Agra) and
>both trains had early arrivals , which I thought most extraordinary
>considering the long journeys.
>An Agra-Patna journey 13 months later on No 8 Toofan was quite another
>story however. My friends from that trip always refer to the train as
>"that terrible Toofan."


The only train I have ever missed is the Toofan Exp. in August '93. It
was
expected to be late but made up time and left before me just as I
arrived
lazily on the platform!

Harsh

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Fog likely in December? Also, Footplate Fun!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 09:15:42 -0500


>Apurva asked me (in email) for a trip report. I'll be really negative
and
say 2029 >NDLS-Ludhiana Shatabdi left almost on time, should have taken
3h45
but took about >6h (and 5h+ of that, one could only see white fluffy
stuff
out of the windows).

2029 is NDLS - Amritsar Swarna Shatabdi Express.

>2461 Mandore Exp for Jodhpur was many hours late arriving at Delhi
platform...

Should be 2462

>Also 2925 (sorry 3Dn) Frontier Mail back to NDLS from Mumbai started
many
hours

Frontier is 2903. 2925 is Paschim Exp.

>Don't get me wrong, I know it is all part of the experience. But -
within
limits!


The thing to appreciate here is that although the trains were late,
Northern
Railway managed very well without a single accident to their credit(or
discredit). The situation lasted for over a month and very few trains
were
cancelled.

>Was last winter a freak?

By all accounts (and experience) it is likely to be the same this year.
But
why of all times plan a trip in December - January. Frankly if you were
in
Delhi once in the summer months, you'll really long for that good old
fog!

>Is going a couple of weeks earlier likely to significantly improve
chances?


I'll say Sept. - Oct and Feb - Mar are the best times. Be mentally
prepared
for that occasional burst of heat but it is never really over 30 deg. C
in
those days.

>Am I being unrealistic about connection chances (I know there is often
a
knock-on >effect, and everything is late). I've travelled about 120Mm
(!)
by IR, and can only once >recall missing a connection. But...


What is 120 Mm(!) by the way?

Harsh

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Train names

Date: 04 Sep 1999 09:18:59 -0500



>> I still remember the Bombay-Poona Janata. It was a popular train, and
>> was replaced with the double decker Sinhagad Express.
>> The Madras-Janata too has disappeared now, having been replaced by
the
>> Udyan Express to Bangalore.
>> The "Sentinels" you mention might have something to do with the
Sentinel
>> engines in use. There are two high-pressure vertical boiler carbody
type
>> of steam engines at the NRM Delhi.One is from the NR on the bg,and
the
>> other from the ER on the ng, from the Bankura-Damodar Valley rly.
>> I think a Sentinel railcar or something was also in operation
somewhere.


These are indeed the Sentinal diesel railcars.

Harsh

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Good IR Maps on the Web (at last!); Some Questions,,,

Date: 04 Sep 1999 09:23:42 -0500


>>And, on the other side of Gwalior, has there been any progress beyond
Bhind
>>towards Etawah?
>>
>Under construction.


The NG 2'0" line from Gwalior to Bhind is yet to be dismantled although
it
closed traffic over an year ago. Survey for further extention is on.

Harsh

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: FAQ - Trivia Update.

Date: 04 Sep 1999 09:42:46 -0500


LONGEST PASSENGER DIESEL RUN.
 
Can you beat this one? Ernakulam shed loco spotted at Rajkot!
 
6333/4, 6335/6, 6337/8 are all hauled by an ERS shed loco all the way. The longest distance would be for 6335/6 Gandhidham Nagarcoil Exp. A whooping 2862 Km.
 
Officially the ERS powers are supposed to work only upto Vasai Road from where a Vatwa power is to take over. But Bombay controllers regularly push the ERS loco further. Keeps everyone happy!
 

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Fog likely in December? Also, Footplate Fun!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 10:46:28 -0500


Harsh Vardhan <hvc@vsnl.email said:

> >Apurva asked me (in email) for a trip report. I'll be really
negative and
> say 2029 >NDLS-Ludhiana Shatabdi left almost on time, should have
taken 3h45
> but took about >6h (and 5h+ of that, one could only see white fluffy
stuff
> out of the windows).
>
> 2029 is NDLS - Amritsar Swarna Shatabdi Express.

Sure, and I got off at Ludhiana. Hence the 3h45... (0630-1012).

In the same way as 2002 is the Agra Cantt. Shatabdi (for those using it
to Agra) :-)

Incidentally, I had an August TAAG when I arrived in India, but picked
up a Sept TAAG on New Delhi platform (having come there straight from
the airport). So much space had been devoted to lists of where the
cement factories etc. are - most useful information - they had omitted
the 2029/2030 from the Shatabdi/Rajdhani summary... Just as I saw this,
the Shatabdi pulled in... Relief.


> >2461 Mandore Exp for Jodhpur was many hours late arriving at Delhi
> platform...
>
> Should be 2462


Incorrect.

The Mandore Exp for Jodhpur is the 2461, exactly as I wrote.

It was many hours late arriving at Delhi Jn. platform. This is the
railway's lack of consideration (worst on NR, in my opinion). Why
inconvenience passengers by having a vacant track at the platform, and
the train sitting somewhere at the marshalling yard or thereabouts?
Even if the line is not clear, get the train into the station and let
the passengers wait in relative comfort. The bogeys used were from the
previous night's Mandore, which had been in many hours before. But no,
the railways forget they exist to serve the customer (be it freight or
passenger) and NOT the other way around. This attitude brought down the
railways of Europe and the States... I know the Indian market is much
"softer": rail-cost low, poor or inconvenient road/air alternatives -
but things change. There are not enough of us (who would choose trains
whatever the alternative) to keep railways viable. If IR do not plan
long-term, they will not have a long-term... ;)



> >Also 2925 (sorry 3Dn) Frontier Mail back to NDLS from Mumbai
>
> Frontier is 2903. 2925 is Paschim Exp.

And here you are right and I am wrong... I should have stuck to my 3Dn.
I *KNOW* those old train numbers (illogical though they may have been).



> >Don't get me wrong, I know it is all part of the experience. But -
within
> limits!
>
> The thing to appreciate here is that although the trains were late,
Northern
> Railway managed very well without a single accident to their credit(or
> discredit). The situation lasted for over a month and very few trains
were
> cancelled.
>
> >Was last winter a freak?
>
> By all accounts (and experience) it is likely to be the same this
year.


Then, IR have to find a way around it. Different headlight-types?
North India cannot ground to a halt this way - Pakistan might well
notice an opportunity.

The Swiss run their railways like clockwork, even the mountain railways
- despite worse fog.

Or does the fog "take IR by surprise" each year? ;)

Seriously though - I do not recall this sort of fog occurring 6 years
ago (or earlier) at that time of year. It was over such a vast region -
Jammu-Delhi and beyond to the S and E - that it could not be pollution
related, could it?


>But why of all times plan a trip in December - January.


Commitments of travelling companion... :(


>Frankly if you were in
> Delhi once in the summer months, you'll really long for that good old
fog!

:)


> >Is going a couple of weeks earlier likely to significantly improve
chances?
>
> I'll say Sept. - Oct and Feb - Mar are the best times. Be mentally
prepared
> for that occasional burst of heat but it is never really over 30 deg.
C in
> those days.


I thought the fog was worst in Jan/FEB ?


> >Am I being unrealistic about connection chances (I know there is
often a
> knock-on >effect, and everything is late). I've travelled about 120Mm
(!)
> by IR, and can only once >recall missing a connection. But...
>
> What is 120 Mm(!) by the way?

fm: am : pm : nm : um : mm : m : km : Mm : Gm : Tm

Just following the metric system. kkm if you prefer!



Regards to all

Larry


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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Diva-Vasai (Big Turn table!!)

Date: 04 Sep 1999 11:40:03 -0500


Hello Samit,
Although I do not have a proper suburban map of the Bombay area in the
strictest sense of the term, I do have some material here that might
help you with your project of making one of your own.

Click on the following url, then piece the bits together, and probably
send your completed map for all of us to see.

(Just kidding. Hope this material is of some use to you).

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/bomsuburb.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/bomsuburb.htm</A>

Cheers.

Shankar




Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> if anyone wants any maps done, just send me a sketch of the same and i
shall
> do a graphical representation of it. i like maps myself and always
wanted a
> nice bombay suburban section one. doing one myself is even better...
>
> samit

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express runs 5km without engine!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 11:43:14 -0500


Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email said:

> > But if the rake's brakes came on, it would have been stopped (from
the approx. 70kph at most at which it was travelling) in MUCH less than
5 kms....
>
> The 5 Km figure would increase as the number of hands telling the the
folklore increase.


;))


> It is confirmed that the supply in the reading lamp (most accessible
point) is 110 VDC
> in case of self generated coaches and 110 VAC in case of HOG/EOG
coach.

I imagine 1ACCC coaches on Rajdhani are likely to be self-generated?
I've frequently used them but never asked...

And thanks for the help.


> I do not know if I am a minority here, but I would love to take
>long circuitous journeys in AC sleeper just for the wonderful dreamless
sleep
>that are just not possible on my own (land) bed. I love sleeping in a
train !


If you are in a minority, so am I. My usual trip to India includes all
but one or two nights on trains...


> Apurva


Regards to all

LW

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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Vasai Road - Diva trip!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 11:49:22 -0500


Hello Sarosh, Viraf and Shrinivas.
You lucky folks, you.
Just goes on to show that you do not have to travel thousands of miles
for that exotic train ride. Sometimes your friendly local station does
just as well.
The Bombay area looks like a garden just after the monsoon: crowd
notwithstanding, the greenery just grows on you. The Konkan line must
have been even more picturesque.
How I wish there were trains in Dubai too, though nothing will match the
romance of good old Bhartiya Rail.
Glad you enjoyed your trip.
One more thing: WE WANT PHOTOS!!
(I could do with a good dmu pic for my collection. With your permission,
of course).
Cheers.
Shankar





S.B.Mehta wrote:
>
> Hi, gang!
>
> Yesterday, Viraf, Shrinivas and I did the Vasai Road to Diva trip. We
> decided to do this one on a short notice.
>
> I boarded the Virar fast local from Grant Road at 0507 hrs. At
> Borivali, Viraf caught sight of me and we travelled together to
> Vasai. After buying the tickets (Rs.10/- each) we sauntered over to
> platform 3 and awaited Shrinivas who was to catch the DMU from Diva.
>
> At 0640 DMU3 rolled in, delayed by 2 mins. because a container rake
> away from Mumbai was given the go ahead first. Shrinivas had
> befriended the drivers of the DMU already (how adept we are in this
> area!) and so, we were given a warm welcome in the cab.
>
> At 0645 we started the return trip. The power plant was WDM2 (Kalyan
> Shed). This rake has a 'First Class' too, which is but the ordinary
> second class (cushioned benches) of a Mumbai-Pune exp. This is also
> only the half of a full coach. A composite you may say.
>
> The first station is Juchandra. In fact, let me list all the stations
> here that followed thereafter: Kaman, Kharbau and Bhivandi Road.
>
> About the route itself; it is very scenic and especially so in the
> monsoon! The clouds were low in the hills and there was a light
> drizzle which cooled the atmosphere to chilling point at times. We
> observed that provision is already made for laying of the second
> track (it should have been done when the line was laid). We crossed
> two container rakes at Kaman and Kharbau. At all these stations
> there were 3 loops besides the 2 on each side of the platform.
>
> The route has quite a few 'S' curves and sharp right and left curves.
> The signalling system is the mainline type. And there are gentle up
> and down gradients. It was sheer fun travelling and engaging in
> detailed conversation with the drivers. They has a walkie-talkie set
> and we listened to the conversations of all those who were in the
> vicinity as we were nearing Diva. The trestled bridge over Ulhas
> River looks very quaint. We passed over the CR mainline near
> Dombivali and progressed further in a left loop towards Diva.
>
> Just before Diva, the time was 0745, the ASM (Diva) advised our
> driver to halt the train outside the station. However, the driver
> remarked that he did not want to raise the ire of the travelling
> public and that it was also raining so he just chugged into the
> station. Good blokes they were, the driver was Mr. Anandkumar S. and
> the Asst.Driver was Mr. Rajendra Parmar. Parmar is pretty young and
> both of them were very talkative.
>
> Both of them did only this one trip as the evening trip is done by
> other pair of drivers.
>
> After thanking them we boarded the fast train back to Mumbai. By that
> time, we saw that the DMU was pulled back into the yard. At Dadar, we
> spilled out like sardines out of a tincan. I have taken a few
> photographs and so has Shri. I shall write on Tuesday how they have
> come out. Till then.
>
> Sarosh.
>
> PS: Some of you guys (Pune boys) should do this trip before the
> monsoon is over.
>

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Trivia, also Has IR Lost One Thousand Stations? [8069-6984]

Date: 04 Sep 1999 12:03:08 -0500


TRIVIA

Dum Dum Jn. has a very impressive "fanout", counting the metro line -
which is cheating, maybe! Equals Bathinda?



UPDATE - STATION COUNT

I have now added the suburban/metro stations of Cal/Delhi/Madras, and
the remaining intermediate stations on the hill railways.


Summary: Number of Passenger Stations on IR:

1972 7098 (Official)

1998 c7600 (per 1998 Bradshaw Index, known to be
incomplete eg with suburbia etc.)

1999 8069 (**Per MY list/program**)
1999 c8200 (per "growth rate" extrapolation!)

1999 6984 (per IR Website!)



Now 8069-6984=1085 "missing" stations! I am going to check how many
"Halts", "Cabins" and "Track Points" are included in my program - but
these, and a very few dead lines, surely cannot be enough to account for
this HUGE difference. I am not double-counting MG & BG stations.

For those skeptical about my number, here are all those whose names
"contain" Apurva's initials ("ab"):

Abada
Abhaipur
Abhanpur Jn.
Abhay Puri Assani
Abohar
Abu Road
Abutara Halt
Adilabad
Ahmadabad Jn.
Aliyabad Halt
Allahabad City
Allahabad Jn.
Ammanabrolu
Anji Shahabad
Asifabad Road
Attabira
Aurangabad
Babaganj
Babakala Halt
Babarpur
Babatpur
Babhnan
Babhulgaon
Babina
Babrata
Babugarh
Babupeth
Babupur Halt
Badabandha
Badwabara
Baidyabati
Bakhrabad
Bakshi-ka-Talab
Balabhadrapuram
Ballabgarh
Barabamboo
Barabani
Barabati
Barabhum
Barabil
Bhabhar
Bhabta
Bhabua Road
Bhairabi
Bhanohad Punjab
Biggabasramsara Halt
Bolina Doaba
Brindabanpur
Chabua
Changrabandha
Chhabra Gugar
Chinnababusamudram
Chunabhatti
Dabhau
Dabhaura
Dabhli Rathan
Dabhoda
Dabhoi Jn.
Dabilpur
Dabirpura
Dabka
Dabla Jn.
Dabolim
Dabpal
Dabra
Dabtara
Dahina Zainabad
Daryabad
Daulatabad
Deoraha Baba Road
Dera Baba Nanak
Dhaban
Dhablan
Dharmabad
Dhulabari
Dullabcherra
Ellenabad
Faizabad Jn.
Fakhrabad Halt
Faridabad
Faridabad New Town
Farrukhabad Jn.
Fatehabad Chandrawatiganj Jn.
Firozabad
Ganj Moradabad
Garudabili
Gayabari
Ghatprabha
Ghaziabad Jn.
Golabai
Guabari
Gulabganj
Gulabpura
Habaipur
Habanghatta
Habibganj
Habibibwala
Habibpur
Habra
Hasnabad
Hoshangabad
Hyderabad
Indrabil
Jabalpur Jn.
Jabri
Jabugam
Jadoli Kabas
Jagabor
Jahangirabad Raj
Jaijon Doaba
Jailalabad
Jakhalabandha
Jehanabad
Jehanabad Court
Jhabel Wali
Jiabharali
Kabakaputtur
Kabrai
Kadabari
Kamlabad Barhauli
Kantabanji
Karaboh
Kashiabari
Kerkhabari
Khabra Kalan Halt
Khairabad Avadh
Khairatabad
Khalilabad
Khoirabari
Kilanwali Punjab
Kotabommali
Krishnaballav Sahay
Kultham Abdullah Shah
Kumarabad Rohini
Kumbhawas Mundhalia Dabri Halt
Kurabalakota
Laban
Labha
Labpur
Lahabon
Lakhabawal
Lalabazar
Latabor
Layabad
Lehra Muhabbat
Lilabari
Lohgarh Abub
Madhopur Punjab
Mahabuang
Mahagarwal Doaba
Mahbubabad
Mahmudabad (Avadh)
Mairabari
Malihabad
Manabar
Mandi Dabwali
Manjhra Purab
Manoharabad
Matlabpur
Moabund
Monabari
Moradabad Jn.
Muhammadabad
Munabao
Munirabad
Murshidabad
Mustabada
Mustafabad
Nabadwip Dham
Nabadwip Ghat
Nabagram
Nabha
Nabinagar Road
Nabipur
Nagarnabi
Najibabad Jn.
Nasirabad
Navabpalem
Nawashahr Doaba Jn.
Naya Ghaziabad
Nayabhagirathipur
Newabganj Gonda
Nimabahera
Nizamabad
Nowrozabad
Nurabad
Nusratabad KK
Pabai
Pabli Khas
Pandabeswar
Parsabad
Partabpura
Pattabiram
Peddabrahmadevam
Porabazar
Purab Sarai
Rabindra Sadan
Rabindra Sarobar
Rahimabad
Rajabehra
Rajatab
Ramganga South Cabin
Ranabordi
Rasulabad
Ratabari
Rayabag
Rikhab Dev Road
Sabalgarh
Sabarmati Jn.
Sabaur
Sabira
Sabli Road
Safedabad
Sahibabad Jn.
Saidabad
Salsalabari
Secunderabad Jn.
Seharabazar
Shahabad
Shahabad Marka
Shamsabad
Shewbabudih
Shikohabad Jn.
Shoranur East Cabin
Shoranur South Cabin
Shri Mahabirji
Sidhpur Jalalabad
Singhabad
Sisai Gulab Rai
Sleemanabad Road
Sunderabad
Surajpur (Punjab)
Talaburu
Tarabari
Thabalke
Thanabihpur Jn.
Titabar
Tuglakabad
Tungabhadra Dam
Vallabh Vidyanagar
Vallabhanagar
Vasai Dabhla
Vikarabad Jn.
Vrindaban Road
Walajabad
Zafarabad Jn.
Zahirabad
Total: 247 (03.06%)


Regards to all

LW

PS: I was being a bit "Harsh" to NR, I admit ;) Swiss trains can more
safely assume the absence of large mammals in the fog ahead... But, why
not at least lay on BENCHES?


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express runs 5km without engine!

Date: 04 Sep 1999 12:13:34 -0500


> I imagine 1ACCC coaches on Rajdhani are likely to be self-generated?
I've frequently used them but never asked...

Rajdhani would be EOG/HOG type, can your friend check the voltage with
a multimeter first ?
I would have a look at the reading lamp socket in a AC2 or a AC 3 in
awhile and confirm the type. Unfortunately there are no 1ACCC homing to
Pune and the
only EOG rake is the Mumbai - Pune Shatabdi, which lacks the reading
lamps. So I can never be sure of what I am telling you.

From: S.SRINIVAS <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 04 Sep 1999 22:50:45 -0500


Dear Apurva,

Between 1967 and 1970, I used to ride the trains between Lonavala and
Karjat quite
regularly. Those were the days when I was doing my engineering and was
studying
all about Railway Electric Traction. I would talk my way through to the
loco cab.

Yes, the drivers told me that using the regenerative brakes heats up the
motor and
results in a fire. In fact, I had myself seen three DC electric locos on
fire - two in
the
Ghat section and the third nearabouts Ulhasnagar. All of them of some
other train
running in the opposite direction of the train by which I was
travelling. Once, I saw
the copper OHE wire melt ! Must have caused quite a disruption.

Was it bad design or lack of Mtce. or maybe very old powers, I could not
make out.
But once the driver showed me the operation of the Regenerative brakes
and, luckily,
there was no fire. I hope that such incidents are rare these days. But
if the Regenerate

brakes are not a standard ops. procedure, why provide them at all in the
D.C. locos.

And yes, could you please check and confirm the massive resistors. It
seems to be a
very un-practical idea.

Regards.

S. SRINIVAS

Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Only the early DC engines and the very latest ABB powers have
regenerative brakes.
> Rest have dynamic brakes. In case of DC powers (WCM 1, 3 and 4) the
voltage
> generated by the traction motors (now working as generators) has to be
raised to
> over 1500 V to be pumped back on the line. I remember reading
somewhere that the DC
> substations had a massive resistor to absorb the high voltage from
regenerating
> locos if there was no locomotive on the line to feed from the
additional supply.
> I have never seen the regen brake being used. When asked to
demonstrate, one driver
> I was footplating with on a WCM 1 lifted the lever from motoring to
regen and then
> changed his mind saying that the loco was too old to handle the
stress. He reasoned
> that if the loco were to prang in the middle of the Bhore ghats due to
application
> of regen brakes, he would have a lot of explaining to do. He was
hauling the DQ and
> the use of regen is not a standard operating procedure.

> .However dynamic brakes are very commonly used by many locomotives
like WCG 2 (the
> shrill trademark sound from the power is the dynamic brake blower that
runs all the
> time by a design defect) and the WDM 2 (which sound like the WCG 2
when braking on
> dynamic).
> The simpler AC locos like WAM 4/ WAG 5 cannot regenerate as there is
also a question
> of converting the voltage back to grid frequency. These have dynamic
brakes.
> The latest AC locos have the fancy electronics switch back the supply
in the correct
> phase to the OHE. They use the regen brakes effectively right down to
crawling
> speed.
>
> Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Check out the Australian locos

Date: 04 Sep 1999 22:59:23 -0500


Gang !

Have a look at these super pictures.
The MAINLINERS Gallery WebSite
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: More Wankaner/ Morbi pics site

Date: 05 Sep 1999 00:39:00 -0500


Gang !

I ahve just completed Viraf/ Sarosh and Shriniwas' Wankaner, Morbi,
Dahinsara,
Vavania, Maliya and Gandhidham pics - This is a large site with 135
pics.
Go to:
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
and click on the last link

Let me know if a link does not work - let our friends know if you like
their pics !

Apurva

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