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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express runs 5km without engine!

Date: 02 Sep 1999 05:44:24 -0500


> A funny (but ould have turned out very unfunny) *story* I recall (from
over 10 years ago, no certainty at all it was on IR) was about a similar
decoupling (of all bogeys from the engine) - but here the engine driver
failed to notice this had happened (Indicators for brake pressure etc.?
Change in "feel"??) and duly proceeded for quite a distance to the next
stop, where he pulled up at the appropriate mark-point on the platform.

Apart from the wild humour that this scenario generates, I cannot
believe this story either. Apparently there are two different breeds of
drivers on the IR. The type I have come across can tell if the WDM 2 is
not firing well on one cylinder or if the rake has binding brakes just
by the general ambiance. I would stupidly try to follow what inputs the
drivers are getting but cannot understand what the drivers are looking
at. Then
like most professional hunches the drivers would prove in the end that
they were right. These are the guys who can pick out their signals
amongst a maze of yellow sodium vapour lamps and even predict the aspect
of the signals before they actually see them. Like I mentioned earlier
they are the expert's experts. They know their responsibilities well and
do not make mistakes like not detecting a parted rake.
I know one driver who had a parted rake. He stopped with good distance
between the power and his rake and could rig up the repairs to limp into
the next station, all in the middle of the night and all with the help
of his assistant driver and the underguard. The TXR of CSTM had to
conduct the inquiry even though the rake parted at Satara as it was his
department which has certified the rake fit (this was CSTM - KOP
Sahyadri
Express).
AND there seem to be drivers who do not notice that they are no longer
intact or that they are on the wrong track and carry on regardless. Is
this a generation gap (older drivers are more disciplined and duty bound
?) or is this a regional or zonal phenomena ?


Apurva

From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Junctions that ARE !

Date: 02 Sep 1999 07:54:42 -0500


Gang! (will try and imitate Apu)

Talking about junctions - I guess someone must've already made this
clarification sometime back. There is now a 4-route junction at
Baiyappanahalli near Bangalore City - you can go westwards to Bangalore
East, or eastwards to Krishnarajapuram. The line to Dharmavaram
separates
after this station, and also the new BG line to Salem. It looks like
this:

The old broken \ Channasandra X
MG Banaswadi \ (towards |
Salem line \ Dharmavaram)|
(BG Conv ??) \ / \
\ / \
-----X-----\----O-------/-----\---X--
Baiyappanahalli \ \ Krishnarajapuram
<- Bangalore \ \ (to JTJ/Chennai)
\ \
\ \
\\
\
X Hosur
(onwards to Salem)

Legend: X - station
O - rail overbridge (MG over BG)

That makes Baiyappanahalli attain junction status?

And about the Daund-Renigunta line... I travelled on this route to
Bangalore in April - and these are the observations I made. The line is
in
a neglected affair from Daund to Wadi - no double tracking worth
mentioning
and many sections were under semaphore signalling. I guess additional
bridges across Bhima and its tributaries at Bhigvan would need some
finances for CR. Beyond Wadi, SCR has double tracked the line in bits
and
parts such that the bridge sections are the only ones left out. But
Gooty-Renigunta has a long way to go.

About the MG Guntakal-Pakala line on SCR, it runs parallel to the
Gooty-Bangalore line from Kalluru to Dharmavaram. Would this technically

qualify Kalluru as a junction ?

Regards

Sundar

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 02 Sep 1999 08:37:59 -0500


I dug up some zonal TTs from my collection - ER, SER, CR, SR (will get
the
others is necessary). I already have the latest CR and WR.
Based on these, I'll attempt to clarify some issues here.

Balharshah - not a junction
Chopan - not a junction (Billi is the junction point, as you pointed
out)
Coimbatore - BG line to Coimbatore North-Irugur-Tiruppur, BG line to
Podanur-Madukkarai-Palghat,
MG line to Podanur-Pollachi
(Irugur-Coimbatore-Podanur
form a triangle with of the legs being a MG/BG line)
If we regard parallel MG/BG lines as being one, then
Coimbatore is not a Jn.
Coimbatore North Jn. is on the Coimbatore-Irugur
line
(not on the Chennai-Trivandrum main line) and has a branch to
Mettupalaiyam

Kishanganj - not a junction (MG/BG lines)
Mahuda - lines to Gomoh, Chandrapura, Bhaga and a 'colliery' line to
Katrasgarh (shown in map but no passenger trains)
Mahuda-Bhaga-Bhojudih is a direct route, the alternate
link is
via XX Jn.(name not shown) and the line to Katrasgarh splits from here

Mettupalaiyam - not a junction
Parasia - not a junction (Amla-Parasia-Chindwara is BG)
Pathardih - is a terminus with lines to Jharia-Dhanbad, Sindri-Pradhan
Khunta (ER has a very detailed map showing all the colliery lines
but it does not indicate Pathardih Bazaar on the map -
it
is indicated as a halt in the TT)
Piplod - latest WR map/schedule does not indicate the NG line - we can
assume this is inactive
Visakhapatnam - not a junction. double line to Duvvada-Rajahmudry, three
lines to Kottavalasa - one of which is electrified and goes
to Kirandul. Is there a third freight line to
the
port?

Wadi - lines to Shahabad, Vikrabad and Raichur. There is a bypass line
with
Halkatta as the bypass station.

Vijay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: lwebber@planetmail.email [SMTP:lwebber@planetmail.email
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:18 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Junctions That Aren't?
>
> "JUNCTIONS" THAT AREN'T?
>
> All of the following are called Junctions, but do not meet "my" >2
routes
> criterion. Is the reason I have given in brackets the correct reason
for
> their being called Junctions? Please, I am not hung up about
"Junctions"
> ;-) - but validating Junctions is important to establishing the
integrity
> of my routing/bradshaw program.
>
> Balharshah Jn. (SCR & CR meet point?)
>
> Chopan Jn. (NR & ER meet point?)
>
> Coimbatore Jn. (Is there some connection to Madukkarai (what is
> Madukkarai?))
>
> Kishanganj Jn. (on NEFR - some BG/MG meeting point (but many other
> stations have both)?)
>
> Mahuda Jn. (No clue, but that whole area I am not 100% confident about
-
> pl see below for other questions in ER/SER region)
>
> Mahuva Jn. (In old days, MG/NG meet here, NG line to Bhavnagar
Terminus I
> think is out of service)
>
> Mettupalaiyam Jn.(MG/BG changeover; should not Kalka also then be
called
> Junction?)
>
> Parasia Jn. (SER & CR meet point?)
>
> Pathardih Jn. (OK, Pathardih Bazar is actual meeting point I think -
> Pathardih Jn. itself is a terminus?)
>
> Piplod Jn. (On WR main line near Godhra - I see a little NG spur on
> several maps - where does it go to? I assume it is inactive)
>
> Visakhapatnam Jn. (OK, I know why, actual track meeting is one station
> later...)
>
> Wadi Jn. (actual meeting point is one station away at Halakatta - but
> also, SCR & CR meeting pt)
>
>
> Thanks for any help - and regards to all
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Good IR Maps on the Web (at last!); Some Questions,,,

Date: 02 Sep 1999 10:00:43 -0500


RAILWAY MAPS

Explore the directory at:

<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network</A>

While not complete (ER & NEFR missing), it is well worth a visit :)

For SER, you need imagination too... ;)




GUNA-GWALIOR-ETAWAH LINK

Guna
Jn.-Tarwata-Bhadora-Miyana-Rajserjagir-Badarwas-Lukwas-Kolaras-Raishree-
Shivpuri-Khajuri-???-Panihar-???-Gwalior Jn.

??? represents likely "missing" stations - can anyone please fill in the
gaps.

And, on the other side of Gwalior, has there been any progress beyond
Bhind towards Etawah?




RAIL BUS

Bangarapet - Kolar (B.G.)
Tiruturaipundi - Agastiampalli (M.G.)
Banmankhi - Bihariganj (M.G.)

Are these converted motor vehicles that run on rails (like the
Kalka-Shimla Railmotor) or are they just buses?

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Good IR Maps on the Web (at last!); Some Questions,,,

Date: 02 Sep 1999 10:14:55 -0500





>From: lwebber@planetmail.email
>To: irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Good IR Maps on the Web (at last!); Some Questions,,,
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
>
>RAILWAY MAPS
>
>Explore the directory at:
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network</A>
>
>While not complete (ER & NEFR missing), it is well worth a visit :)
>
>For SER, you need imagination too... ;)
>
>
>
>
>GUNA-GWALIOR-ETAWAH LINK
>
>Guna
>Jn.-Tarwata-Bhadora-Miyana-Rajserjagir-Badarwas-Lukwas-Kolaras-Raishree
-Shivpuri-Khajuri-???-Panihar-???-Gwalior
>Jn.
>
>??? represents likely "missing" stations - can anyone please fill in
the
>gaps.
>

Khajuri-Parakheda-Churelkheda-Mohana-Renhat-Ghatigaon-Panihar-Naugaon-Gw
alior.


>And, on the other side of Gwalior, has there been any progress beyond
Bhind
>towards Etawah?
>
Under construction.

Vijay

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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 02 Sep 1999 10:53:50 -0500


Here is a picture of the lines in and around Lucknow as gathered from
Bradshaw and NER.

BG lines

LKO-Amausi-Unnao-Kanpur
LKO-Alamnagar-Balamau-Moradabad
LKO-Utraitia-Rae Bareli/Sultanpur
LKO-Aisbagh-LKO City-Daliganj Jn.-Bara Banki - Gonda/Faizabad

MG line LKO-Aisbagh-LKO City-Daliganj Jn.-Sitapur

So the MG line runs parallel to the BG line between LKO and Daliganj.
The
map does not indicate Dilkusha.
It does indicate a bypass line from Aisbagh to Manaknagar (on the
LKO-Kanpur
line) but this station is not
indicated in any timetable. The map also suggests that the line from
Kanpur
enters LKO from the west and the line
from Daliganj-Bara Banki enters from the west. However, this would mean
that Kanpur-LKO-Gorakhpur trains would
have to reverse at LKO which is inconsistent with the halt times for
quite a
few of them - just 10 mts. Can someone
shed more light on this?

Satish, LKO does not qualify for a 5-line junction because two of them
run
parallel till Daliganj. You may want to
indicate this in the trivia section of the FAQ.

Regards,
Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lwebber@planetmail.email [SMTP:lwebber@planetmail.email
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:50 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions
>
> My large GOI rail map shows a junction-point station called "Juhi" a
few
> kms west of Kanpur Central. I can find no trace of it in other
sources...
> What is it? Is it an alternative name for Kanpur Anwarganj? (Just a
> guess).
>
> A little way away, in Lucknow, the map shows a key station called
> "Dilkusha", just NW of Utraitiya Jn. As before, no trace elsewhere...
What
> is it? Could someone give me a rough idea of relative
positions/tracks
> between Lucknow Jn., City, Aishbagh, Utraitiya, Daliganj and this
> "Dilkusha". Whether or not this Dilkusha exists, at Daliganj (on
> Lucknow-Sitapur NER line) is there also a bypass line which joins the
> Lucknow-Barabanki route?
>
> Lastly, a few kms east of Barauni Jn., the map shows a little loop.
>
>
> BARAUNI-----------------------SAHEBPUR KAMAL
> \ /
> \ /
> ???
>
> What is "???"
>
>
>
> Thanks a million. This is hard work...
>
>
> Regards to all
>
> Larry
>
>
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From: Sundar Krishnamurthy <>

Subject: Re: Good IR Maps on the Web

Date: 02 Sep 1999 11:36:16 -0500


Gang

The maps on the IR site are a treat - but the western railway map is
what
you should see.... they mention the diesel and electric loco shed
locations
too! A railfan's map !

Sundar

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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 02 Sep 1999 13:54:39 -0500


Hello,
The zebra stripes issue is an interesting one, and i hope someone comeS
up with an answer soon.
Talking of cars with zebra stripes, the quaintest and most unusual
practice was in use on the Daund=Baramati ng line.Of course, the line
has now been re-gauged to bg with dmu operations, so this practice has
of course died out.
Apparently, the station facilities at Baramati are (were?) grossly
inadequate. So at the end of the four or five car ng passenger train
used to be a half yellow car with black zebra stripes on it. The half
yellow car used to serve as the booking office!

Imagine buying a ticket at the last car and then getting into the train
for your ride!!

Too bad I didn't photograph it at that time.

Cheers

Shankar




Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> > Yesterday whilst on the way to Dadar, I noticed these zebra stripes
> > on a II sleeper coach of the Kanyakumari Express. I could read only
> > partly something like 'Vendor ......'. Could it be for those vendors
> > who sell tidbits on the train? I wonder if I even read it correctly.
>
> > Sarosh.
>
> On Calcutta locals, the vendor car has big yellow zebra stripes above
the
> window. It's not for people who sell things on the train, but for
people who
> bring their goods into or out of the city (think rural folks with
100lb
> sacks hung over their shoulder). Perhaps the same is also true here?
>

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Experience counts was reply to HWH-Kathgodham Exp........

Date: 02 Sep 1999 14:19:00 -0500


Hi all,

>regardless. Is this a generation gap (older drivers are more>
>disciplined
>and duty bound ?) or is this a regional or zonal >.phenomena ?
Just a small input here. When i had a chat with a young driver, an

assistant in his early 30s, at the Hyderabad station 2 months back, he
had
very high regard for his seniors/A-graders. I quote "What we learn from
our
seniors who have put in almost 25 years of service is 100 times more
than
what we are actually taught during training". He said that though he had
no
say on the trip sheet given to him, which was done by the trip
supervisor,
they used to make the most of their trips when assisting highly
experienced
seniors by making note of very minute but important details. This person
was
assisting on a WAM4 hauling the 2760DN.
It was very heartening to hear this actually. I feel that there might be

some gap alright but not to an alarming extent. Atleast not in the
safety
aspect.

Very eagerly looking forward for the Wankaner snaps......Viraf.

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: Ravi Joshi <>

Subject: Fw: Puzzle

Date: 02 Sep 1999 20:31:27 -0500



----- Original Message -----
From: Arpi Procter <procter@pop.email
To: <Marklin@scintilla.email
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:49 AM
Subject: Puzzle


> Puzzle:
> It is the 1st of January, and the CIWL is introducing a new
train.
> The inauguration ceremony is intended to be a great event;
three
named
> trains side by side at the Paris Gare de l'Est. The
Digniaries,
> Ministers, Officials, Film stars and Celebrities, along with
the
pomp,
> speeches and brass band required of such an event are all
present.
> All goes to plan through to the trains departing at their
allotted
> times and is a great advertising success.
> For railway enthusiasts and photographers all is not so good.
There is
> absolutely no chance to see and photograph the trains through
all
the
> banners, podium and marching band etc. The obvious answer for
the
> Periodical photographers is to come back and photograph the
trains
> together on another day. None of the officials present at the
event
> can say exactly when the three trains will be together again,
but
they
> can say that the Orient Express departs every 7 days while
the
other
> two trains are on 5 day and 4 day schedules.
> When should our photographers return to get their 3 train
photographs?
> (the number of days between events will be sufficient, our
> photographer has one of those calenders with clever daily
comments and
> days numbered for the year.
>
>
> Regards,
> Greg.P.
>
>
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From: Tony Bailey <>

Subject: Re: Puzzle

Date: 02 Sep 1999 21:01:56 -0500


140days?

Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Joshi <ravi@soudamini.email
To: irfca <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, 3 September 1999 1:34
Subject: Fw: Puzzle


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Arpi Procter <procter@pop.email
>To: <Marklin@scintilla.email
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:49 AM
>Subject: Puzzle
>
>
>> Puzzle:
>> It is the 1st of January, and the CIWL is introducing a new
>train.
>> The inauguration ceremony is intended to be a great event;
three
>named
>> trains side by side at the Paris Gare de l'Est. The
Digniaries,
>> Ministers, Officials, Film stars and Celebrities, along with
the
>pomp,
>> speeches and brass band required of such an event are all
>present.
>> All goes to plan through to the trains departing at their
>allotted
>> times and is a great advertising success.
>> For railway enthusiasts and photographers all is not so
good.
>There is
>> absolutely no chance to see and photograph the trains
through
all
>the
>> banners, podium and marching band etc. The obvious answer
for
the
>> Periodical photographers is to come back and photograph the
>trains
>> together on another day. None of the officials present at
the
>event
>> can say exactly when the three trains will be together
again,
but
>they
>> can say that the Orient Express departs every 7 days while
the
>other
>> two trains are on 5 day and 4 day schedules.
>> When should our photographers return to get their 3 train
>photographs?
>> (the number of days between events will be sufficient, our
>> photographer has one of those calenders with clever daily
>comments and
>> days numbered for the year.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Greg.P.
>>
>>
>_____________,_________________________________________________________
____

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>>
>>
>
>

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Unsolved IR Mysteries: Mahuda Region; Lucknow Jn.

Date: 02 Sep 1999 22:50:03 -0500


Vijay Balasubramanian said:


[I agree with you 100% on everything I have cut out. I changed the
thread name as this is more appropriate]


> Mahuda - lines to Gomoh, Chandrapura, Bhaga and a 'colliery' line to
> Katrasgarh (shown in map but no passenger trains).
> Mahuda-Bhaga-Bhojudih is a direct route, the alternate link is
> via XX Jn.(name not shown) and the line to Katrasgarh splits from
here.
>
> Pathardih - is a terminus with lines to Jharia-Dhanbad, Sindri-Pradhan
> Khunta (ER has a very detailed map showing all the colliery lines
> but it does not indicate Pathardih Bazaar on the map - it
> is indicated as a halt in the TT)

This (and Pathardih) is in the region where I have remaining
difficulties... I have spent some time poring over the maps and
Bradshaws, following individual train routes. You and I are in close
but NOT complete agreement over this area.

This is how I see the "connection matrix" (no suggestion that "routes"
are being indicated, only connections) for the polygonal 'Mahuda Region'
defined geographically by:
PradhanKhunta/Gomoh/Chandrapura/Tupkadi/Bhojudih/Sindri/Pathardih.
Therefore the lines PradhanKhunta-Kulti, Gomoh-HazaribaghRoad,
Chandrapura-Barkakana, Tupkadi-Kotshila and Bhojudih-Rukni are all
ignored as they lie outside the region.



ALL CONNECTIONS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN TO ME, WITHIN THE 'MAHUDA REGION'

Bhojudih-Sudamdih-Bhaga-Mahuda

Bhojudih-Talgaria-Mahuda

Mahuda-Khanudih-Gomoh

Mahuda-Jamuniatand-Chandrapura

[Gives Mahuda 4 lines, not 3, excluding the colliery one - I see no
evidence of any "common" station S/SE of Mahuda towards
Bhojudih, suggesting the branch occurs soon after Mahuda]

Dhanbad-Katrasgarh-JamuniHalt-JamuniatanrHalt-Chandrapura
[I assume the JamuniatanrHalt is physically close to "JamuniatanD"
above
which then fits in with the geographical picture I have constructed]

Gomoh-Dhanbad-PradhanKhunta

Dhanbad-Jharia-PathardihBazar-Sudamdih

PathardihBazar-Pathardih

Gomoh-Telo-Chandrapura-Rajabehra-Tupkadi

Tupkadi-Talgaria

PradhanKhunta-SindriBlock-SindriMarshallingYard-SindriTown
[Apparently a Terminus?]




ADDITIONS PER VIJAY RE THE 'MAHUDA REGION'

[In the light of the above, I suggest "XX" = Talgaria (or adjacent),
but note XX is then NOT a bifurcation point for two routes to Bhojudih]

Talgaria-Katrasgarh
[Colliery Line]

Pathardih-Sindri
[but I can find no bradshaw references to this - do you have
intermediate stations? Is Sindri=SindriTown?]


Comments/errors please, Vijay and others?!!



LUCKNOW MYSTERY

>It does indicate a bypass line from Aisbagh to Manaknagar
>(on the LKO-Kanpur line) but this station is not indicated in
>any timetable.

From the map, between which stations would you estimate Manaknagar lies
(obviously two early ones - Lucknow Jn.-Amausi is 11 kms)?:-

LucknowJn-Amausi-PiparSand-Harauni-Jaitipur-Kusumbhi-Ajgain-Sonik-UnnaoJ
n-Magarwara-KanpurBridgeLeftBank-KanpurCentralJn


>The map also suggests that the line from Kanpur enters LKO from the
west and
>the line from Daliganj-Bara Banki enters from the west.

So does my map.

Dilkusha appears (repeat, appears) to be at the point this
BaraBanki-Daliganj-LKO line meets the Balamau-Alamnagar-LKO line (also
from the West).

>However, this would mean that Kanpur-LKO-Gorakhpur trains would have to
>reverse at LKO which is inconsistent with the halt times for quite a
few of
>them - just 10 mts. Can someone shed more light on this?

There is certainly some layout-mechanism making this unnecessary. A
second mystery!







MINOR POINTS

> Visakhapatnam - not a junction. double line to Duvvada-Rajahmudry,
three
> lines to Kottavalasa - one of which is electrified and goes
> to Kirandul.

These run together from Visakhpatnam to Gopalapatnam Jn., after which
they bifurcate as far as I can tell.

>Is there a third freight line to [Visakhapatnam] port?

Yes (or at least, was such a line)

>Wadi - lines to Shahabad, Vikrabad and Raichur. There is a bypass line
with
>Halkatta as the bypass station.

Is it possible to travel on IR on the direct route Wadi-Vikarabad
WITHOUT passing Halakatta?




Heartfelt thanks for the research and help. LEt us get to the bottom of
the "Mahuda Mystery" especially! :)


Regards to all

Larry


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Subject: (no subject)

Date: 02 Sep 1999 23:07:30 -0500


Hello,
At least six of my mails to the irfca bounced back to me, saying
forwarding link broken.
I re-sent three of them along with the failed delivery notification,and
those came back as well.
Anyone else with such an experience?
Regards.
Shankar

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express runs 5km without engine!

Date: 02 Sep 1999 23:10:45 -0500


Apurva Bahadur said:

>> A funny (but ould have turned out very unfunny) *story* I recall
(from over
>>10 years ago, no certainty at all it was on IR) was about a similar
decoupling
>>(of all bogeys from the engine) - but here the engine driver failed to
notice this
>>had happened (Indicators for brake pressure etc.? Change in "feel"??)
and duly proceeded
>>for quite a distance to the next stop, where he pulled up at the
appropriate mark-point
>>on the platform.
>>History did not exactly record what passed between the A.S.M. (or
equivalent)
>>- who obviously noticed there was no train in the platform, only an
engine
>>- and the driver... It must have been quite colorful! ;P

> Apart from the wild humour that this scenario generates,

Wild humour is putting it mildly ;)


>I cannot believe this story either.

Nor I.. That is why I put the "*" around the word 'story'. The change
in "feel" is surely what would have betrayed it (unless the driver too
was asleep at the time it happened and there was no dead man's handle or
equivalent).

Re the 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express matter - will there be an enquiry
which will reveal exactly what did happen? It sounds like a VERY
improbable set of coincidences to me (too).


> Apurva

Any ideas re that device that needs AC? I can still read only email
origination from irfca...


Thanks, and regards

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express runs 5km without engine!

Date: 03 Sep 1999 01:07:40 -0500


> Nor I.. That is why I put the "*" around the word 'story'. The change
in "feel" is surely what would have betrayed it (unless the driver too
was asleep at the time it happened and there was no dead man's handle or
equivalent).

There no dead man's handles in any of the regular main line locos of the
IR. If the driver gets incapacitated, the assistant driver is supposed
to (atleast in a WDM 2) open the 'dead man's valve' which is a direct
atmospheric vent
of the brake pipe. Once the vacuum is destroyed, the train brakes come
on and the PCS (pneumatic control switch - a pressure switch) in the WDM
2 will in turn trip the DMR (dead man' relay - a common safely relay)
and the loco
would come to idle. It really works !

> Re the 3019 HWH-Kathgodam Express matter - will there be an enquiry
which will reveal exactly what did happen? It sounds like a VERY
improbable set of coincidences to me (too).

My guess - the coupling parted, the driver realized this and continued
to prevent the rake bashing the power. The rake's brakes came on and it
stopped in due course of time. Nothing more.
Even today's Pune's papers have a large article listing the woes of the
passengers who were stuck in the Pragati express rake which stopped at
Thane, Kalyan, Shelu and Karjat for 2-3 hours to arrive at Pune at 0600
hrs (the correct
time is 2005 hrs !). This is a article listing the woes of the
arthritics and the asthmatics and the small children who were faced the
prospect of starvation as the food ran out and the toilets stank ETC
ETC. Many passengers vowed
to never travel on the train again. The really clever ones returned to
Mumbai from Thane, Kalyan etc.
The press is quite active to pick up any railway stories.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Braithwaithe company

Date: 03 Sep 1999 01:12:54 -0500


Gang !

Today's paper has a small ad about a certain Braithwaith
(correct name) Ltd. from Kolkata (correct name ?) which makes
various tank wagons for the IR. It is actually an announcement
of their getting the ISO 9000 certificate. They manufacture 4
wheeler and 8 wheeler liquid and gas tankers. There is a list
of the products with the railway nomenclature (BPTGL, TK, etc)
but the paper is not in front of me right now.
Heard of this company, anyone ?
There is an email address there.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Railbus was Re.: Good IR Maps on the Web (at last!); Some Questions,,,

Date: 03 Sep 1999 02:03:01 -0500


Hi all,

>RAIL BUS
>
> Bangarapet - Kolar (B.G.)
> Tiruturaipundi - Agastiampalli (M.G.)
> Banmankhi - Bihariganj (M.G.)
There is a rail bus running between Shimoga and Talguppa
(M.G).
This serves as a link/connection for B'lore travellers to the famous Jog

Falls in the western ghats. The B'lore-Shimoga night passenger starts at

9.55pm and reaches at 5.15 at Shimoga. This railbus starts at 6.00am and

reaches Talguppa at around 9.15 or so. And the journey is scenic too
!!!!
There was a railbus between Yelahanka and Chickballapur. But that has
been
B.G converted.

Kind regards,
Anand

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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses

Date: 03 Sep 1999 02:30:26 -0500


> Subject: Re: Train names, Queens and Godesses.
> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:48:59 +0400
> From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
> To: Anand Krishnan <krish_nand@hotmail.email
> CC: irfca@cs.email
> References: <19990830075947.3942.qmail@hotmail.email
>
> Hello,
> I'll second that. In fact, if the fanatics (or shall we say lunatics)
> like Bal Thakeray were to continue any longer, we will soon have
> Thakeray family names to the Bombay Poona trains, and Poona, now Pune,
> will also be named Punyanagari or something. I'll hate to travel by
the
> MumbaiCST-Punyanagari BindhuMadhav Thakeray Ati Jalad (superfast) with
> orange livery, with 'Shiv savari' written on each car!! (Heaven
forbid!)
> Imagine the driver, guard and train staff all saffron clad, with 'no
> entry to muslims' on each car entrance! Such bastards like Bal
Thakeray,
> L.K.Advani etc.should be shot.
> Or a Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus-Punyanagari Chattrapati Shivaji
> Maharaj EXp.or Tanaji Malusare Exp or somethink like that!! ;-)
>
> Actually, the Rani Chennamma notwithstanding, the others have some
> background to them.
> Deccan Queen actually stands for Queen of the Deccan. It was probably
> one of the very few if not the only superfast of its time, it crossed
> the Deccan Plateau in 2hr 45min flat (Its a shame (or shall we say
sham)
> that even the Shatabdi takes 3hr 25min today).The train was a real
> queen.
> Boat Mail was so called because it connected to the ferry to Ceylon
(now
> Sri Lanka) at a place called Danushkodi.
> The Flying Ranee was given a feminine name as it was initially
> introduced as a Ladies only train.
> And so on and so forth.
> If you talk of weird names, then Gharib Nawaz Link Express and
> Matsyagandha (smell (or stench!) of fish) Express will take the cake.
> Most inappropriate names would be Toofan (cyclone) Express: the pace
of
> the train is more of a gentle breeze than that of a cyclone! I
> understand that the historic Toofan Mail, which is no longer in
> existance, did more justice to its title.
> Another inappropriate name is Flying Mail (Delhi-Amritsar), and of
> course the Flying Ranee, which are not flyers in the true sense of the
> term.
> Politics too apparently plays a role in train names, hence why would
> the historical Frontier Mail be renamed as Golden Temple Mail?
> Incidentally, why is the Poona-Varanasi train called Gyan Ganga
Express
> (Sea of knowledge), and the Poona-Howrah Azad Hind (independent
India)?
> At least the Ahimsa (non violence) Exp. is understandable: the train
> runs to Ahmedabad, which is Gandhiji's territory.
> Another weirdo is Dikshabhoomi Exp. (land of charity),not forgetting
> Shaheed (martyr) Exp., Janseva Exp (service to the people), Not to
> mention Chauri Chaura Exp. (what does that mean?), Lichhavi Exp. etc.
>
> Train names with a meaning: I mean real meaning, include Samjhauta
> (compromise) Exp between Amritsar and Lahore (does it still run? I
> understand a dmu runs the route now) and Himsagar Exp. (Jammu to
> Kanyakumari: Him meaning Himalayas and Sagar meaning the sea (at KK).
> The Kanyakumari equivalent inthe UK is called Land's End I think.
> I still prefer KK's earlier name Cape Comorin: in fact the IR station
> code is still CAPE.
>
> Real quaint and beautiful train names are: West Coast Express, East
> Coast Express, Coromandel Express, Malabar Express, Blue Mountain Exp.
> (now unfortunately translated to Nil (blue) Giri (mountain) Exp.
> Also Golconda Exp. Tea Garden Exp. (does it still run?), Coalfield
Exp.
> Black Diamond Exp., Corbett Park Link Exp., Barak Valley Exp.
Sanctuary
> Exp. Pearl City Exp.---should I go on and on and on?
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>
> Anand Krishnan wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > An off the track topic when discssing with odd train names.
> > The day train from Chennai to Madurai is termed "Kudal Express".
Kudal in
> > tamil means overflowing love. I only know that there are stories in
tamil
> > history where romance between King and Queen had foremost importance
but how
> > does one link that to a train. This is just to add to the list of
unusual
> > names for trains.
> > Then there is a "Flying Rani" from Surat.
> > Then the "Indrayani" and the "Deccan Queen".
> > Then the Rameswaram Express between Chennai and Rameswaram on the MG
was
> > called "Boat Mail" in its earlier days.
> > Then the "Rani Chennamma" between B'lore and Hubli.
> >
> > I wont be surprise if another train touching some part of Karnataka
is named
> > "Durga Malleswari Devi" express or touching some part of Tamil Nadu
named as
> > "Angaala Parameswari Amman" express or even a "Jai Santoshi Maa"
Superfast.
> > People from down south would very well know these names given to
Godesses.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Anand
> >
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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Train names

Date: 03 Sep 1999 02:31:56 -0500


> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Train names
> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:49:54 +0400
> From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
> To: John Lacey <jlacey@zeta.email
> CC: irfca <irfca@cs.email
> References: <37CBD76B.4EEF@zeta.email
>
> Hello,
> I still remember the Bombay-Poona Janata. It was a popular train, and
> was replaced with the double decker Sinhagad Express.
> The Madras-Janata too has disappeared now, having been replaced by the
> Udyan Express to Bangalore.
> The "Sentinels" you mention might have something to do with the
Sentinel
> engines in use. There are two high-pressure vertical boiler carbody
type
> of steam engines at the NRM Delhi.One is from the NR on the bg,and
the
> other from the ER on the ng, from the Bankura-Damodar Valley rly.
> I think a Sentinel railcar or something was also in operation
somewhere.
> Any ideas Harsh? Do you have anything on the NRM archives?
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>
> John Lacey wrote:
> >
> > Reading the mails about the origin of train names has been
> > educational, entertaining and enlightening!
> > I have had a quick look at the Western T/T of 1953 and the Central
of
> > 1952 and the only " interesting" names there are the already
mentioned
> > Flying Ranee and the Deccan Queen. Apart from the Punjab and
Frontier
> > Mails and the Grand Trunk Express, all the other named trains have
plain
> > destination-type names such as Moghalsarai Express, Amritsar
Express,
> > Nagpur Passenger & Parcel or " geographical " names such as
> > Gujarat Mail and Godavari Valley Express.
> > As well as the Deccan Queen, Poona was served by three Poona
> > Passenegers, two Poona Expresses, one Poona Mail, and the Poona
Janata
> > Express. Additionally, there was a Madras Mail, a Madras Express and
a
> > weekly Madras Janata Express passing through. In the Up direction
the
> > Deccan Queen would stop at Neral on Mondays only " during Matheran
> > season " and then run 5 minutes later to Bombay while the following
Mail
> > made a daily stop there " during Matheran season".
> > Perhaps the most unusual notation is in WR NG table No 78 (
> > Piplod-Devgad Baria ) where trains 811/812 are described as "
Sentinel
> > Mixed 2,3."
> > Cheers,
> > John Lacey

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Animal V/S Mankind

Date: 03 Sep 1999 02:33:16 -0500


> Subject: Re: Animal V/S Mankind
> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:49:10 +0400
> From: "S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email
> To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
> CC: "S.B.Mehta" <sarosh@godrej.email "'irfca@cs.email
<irfca@cs.email
> "sundar@spyring.email <sundar@spyring.email
> References: <199909010220.HAA27176@godrej.email
<37CCD711.1C23BE2F@vsnl.email
>
> Hello,
> Appu, I'll second that, word for word. Narrowness other impediments
> notwithstanding, Dadar is one of those strictly avoidable places one
> simply longs to get out of, as quickly as possible.
> Let along walking about with a camera. We can take it back home in
> powder form.Plus the place lacks that human touch, a feeling of being
at
> home. Just a mad mass of humanity, jostling and shoving.
> As a matter of fact, barring hideouts like Vidyavihar, I do not think
> any of Bombay's stations are up to much as far as trainspotting goes.
> Its just not comfortable: the crowd is maddening, the atmosphere tense
> and rushed,and the checking staff a bit high handed.
> I used to enjoy watching trains come round the bend at top speed at
> Ulhasnagar. Kurla too is OK, so is Titwala.
> Cheers.
> Shankar
> Cheers.
> Shankar
>
> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > > PS: Pune Jn. looks more congested vis-a-vis Dadar. Right, Appu?
> >
> > The problem is the narrowness of the platforms with two mail /
> > expresses
> > on either side. But Pune comes nowhere in the category of
> > Dadar. I can
> > still think of Pune as a location for railfanning. With Dadar,
> > I just
> > want to get out. Although there was a very quiet hidden WR
> > platform where
> > the 9032 (which we took from GIM in Jan 99) dropped us.
> > Actually from
> > this platform you cannot see any other railway line easily.
> >
> > Apurva

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