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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Has IR Lost One Thousand Stations?? ;)

Date: 31 Aug 1999 17:20:12 -0500


Vadi Elumulai helpfully pointed out that the official Indian Railway
website:
www.indianrailway.com / www.indianrailways.gov.in
says there are 6984 stations on the IR network.
Even if they are only counting passenger stations, my program has about
1,000 more (and I am missing a few)?

The late 1998 Bradshaw Index (which has many omissions, especially on
smaller lines - and also sometimes has only one entry where there are
two different stations with the same name) itself lists a LOT more than
7000!

My program (which includes stations like Turbhe, for example - freight
only, and some "stops/halts" - but the vast majority are passenger
stations) currently has 7,959 IR stations, and I am missing a few
(suburban stations, and as above). At most there are 5 remaining errors
of "doublecounting" in my collection. I would estimate, with missing
stations filled in and errors corrected, to have 7,975-8,000 stations.

SO, A DIFFERENCE OF 1000?????

Simplest explanation is that IR meant 7,984 not 6,984. Any one has
other views or explanations?


Regards to all

Larry

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From: lwebber <>

Subject: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 17:22:15 -0500


Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong
(e.g., see (p) - does the route from to Amta (terminus) via Andul Jn.?).
Also, what are the missing en-route stations?

(a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
(b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra Gobardanga Bangaon Jn.
Patripol
(c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
(d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
(e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
(f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
(g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
(h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
(i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
(j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
(k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
(l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
(m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
(n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
(o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
(p) Andul Jn. Amta
(q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
(r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
(s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
(t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
(u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
(v) Karaila Road Jayant



Please, someone? Thanks a million for the help.

Regards to all

Larry


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 31 Aug 1999 17:49:43 -0500


My large GOI rail map shows a junction-point station called "Juhi" a few
kms west of Kanpur Central. I can find no trace of it in other
sources... What is it? Is it an alternative name for Kanpur Anwarganj?
(Just a guess).

A little way away, in Lucknow, the map shows a key station called
"Dilkusha", just NW of Utraitiya Jn. As before, no trace elsewhere...
What is it? Could someone give me a rough idea of relative
positions/tracks between Lucknow Jn., City, Aishbagh, Utraitiya,
Daliganj and this "Dilkusha". Whether or not this Dilkusha exists, at
Daliganj (on Lucknow-Sitapur NER line) is there also a bypass line which
joins the Lucknow-Barabanki route?

Lastly, a few kms east of Barauni Jn., the map shows a little loop.


BARAUNI-----------------------SAHEBPUR KAMAL
\ /
\ /
???

What is "???"



Thanks a million. This is hard work...


Regards to all

Larry


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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 17:53:02 -0500


Larry,

Some notes about ER:

If these are the only stations you have on the suburban lines, you're
missing several of them.

For example, in (b), you're probably missing about 15-20 stations. The
Bongaon line is one of the two main suburban lines coming out of Sealdah
and
separating at Dum Dum. The other one goes towards Ranaghat. (Actually,
technically the two suburban lines don't separate at Dum Dum, since they
run
on separate tracks and use separate platforms at Bidhannagar Rd, the
previous stop.)

I don't own an ER timetable, unfortunately - I'll see what I can do.

It's Baliganj, not Baliganja.

There are some significant suburban lines missing from this list - I
take it
this list doesn't include all suburban lines?


-----Original Message-----
From: lwebber@planetmail.email [mailto:lwebber@planetmail.email
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 5:22 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?


Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong (e.g., see
(p)
- does the route from to Amta (terminus) via Andul Jn.?).
Also, what are the missing en-route stations?

(a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
(b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra Gobardanga Bangaon Jn.
Patripol
(c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
(d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
(e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
(f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
(g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
(h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
(i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
(j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
(k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
(l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
(m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
(n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
(o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
(p) Andul Jn. Amta
(q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
(r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
(s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
(t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
(u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
(v) Karaila Road Jayant



Please, someone? Thanks a million for the help.

Regards to all

Larry


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From: lwebber <>

Subject: Has IR Lost One Thousand Stations?? ;)

Date: 31 Aug 1999 18:01:17 -0500


I add that I am *NOT* double-counting stations that appear on both (say)
BG and MG (as is common especially in NEFR, or where gauge-conversion is
in progress), so that does not explain it. I am truly puzzled by this
huge difference...


Regards to all

Larry




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From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 18:54:59 -0500


Regarding Mahuva Jn.; the complete NG line between Bhavnagar and
Mahuva Jn. was closed down in the late eighties and later the tracks
were also removed thus Mahuva Jn. may no longer be there on the
railway map of India or maybe even if it is mentioned in the map the
railway line will be non-existent.

Sarosh.

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Animal V/S Mankind

Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:07:47 -0500


This is a perennial joke where travelling at peak hours is concerned.

Advice given to newcomers: do not fight the flow of the crowd, stand
still and yet one is deposited onto the platform while alighting. The
crowd carries you!

However, congestion at Dadar is relieved to quite an extent with the
construction of the new foot overbridge. It is so wide that distances
between CR and WR platforms seem shortened.

Sarosh.

PS: Pune Jn. looks more congested vis-a-vis Dadar. Right, Appu?

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Train names

Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:27:36 -0500


Hi, John,

I remember from the earlier times (and maybe even in the present day)
we had a "MIX" departing from Bhavnagar Terminus on the MG line. This
train had coaches for Viramgam and Ahmedabad and one coach for
Dhasa/Gadhda. The shunting point was Botad Jn. Interestingly, this
area had quite a few Jns., Dhola, Ningala, Joravarnagar,
Surendranagar, Mahuva, and more than I could remember.

The Saurashtra region makes interesting railway reading and for that
matter I have with me two books written by Prof. S.S.Bhandari, one
on the MG systems and other on NG systems of the Western Railway.
Prof. Bhandari was at one time based at Railway College, Vadodra.

Sarosh.

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 20:00:33 -0500


Shanku Niyogi said:

> If these are the only stations you have on the suburban lines, you're
> missing several of them.


No, these are the lines (or what I *think* are lines) where I only have
map data (which is confusing where lines are crowded together -
specifically in the Calcutta and Rajabehra/Dhanbad/Andal/Adra region)
and NOT detailed TT data.
What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
(1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
Titagarh Barrackpore Palta Ichhapur Shyamnagar
Kankinara Naihati Jn. Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha Payradanga
Ranaghat Jn.
(2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
Dakshineswar Baranagar Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road
Sealdah
etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)



> For example, in (b), you're probably missing about 15-20 stations. The
> Bongaon line is one of the two main suburban lines coming out of
Sealdah and
> separating at Dum Dum. The other one goes towards Ranaghat. (Actually,
> technically the two suburban lines don't separate at Dum Dum, since
they run
> on separate tracks and use separate platforms at Bidhannagar Rd, the
> previous stop.
> I don't own an ER timetable, unfortunately - I'll see what I can do.


Many thanks.


> It's Baliganj, not Baliganja.


According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
Baliganja - which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws are
full of contradictions.



> There are some significant suburban lines missing from this list - I
take it
> this list doesn't include all suburban lines?


Correct. It is a list ONLY of routes (for which I give start and end
stations, and any intermediate stations I know)
where my data is incomplete or uncertain.




> -----Original Message-----
> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
> construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong (e.g.,
see (p)
> - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via Andul
Jn.?).
> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
>
> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
> Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol
> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
> (g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
> (i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
> Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
> (k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
> (l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
> (m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
> (n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
> (o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
> (r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
> (s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
> (u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
> (v) Karaila Road Jayant


Regards to all

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From: Tony Bailey <>

Subject: Ir safety

Date: 31 Aug 1999 21:09:41 -0500


The September/October 1999 Thomas Cook Overseas Timetable makes the
following comment about IR -

'Despite what the media (presumably British) are describing as an
appalling
safety record- Indian Railways operate a fine and fairly secure system
....'

Further on-

'They generate the highest level of annual passenger kilometres of any
railway in the world. In 1997 traffic was running at 380 000 million
passenger kilometres (Yes 38 x 10 Zeros) etc..'

Can anyone tell us how many passenger fatalities there were due to train
accidents in that year? This will give a real indication of the IR
safety
record.

Cooks have an extensive article on rail travel in the Sub-Continent and
I
will post some of this later for your interest.

Many of their comments now come from this newsgroup!
Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
mecuryworldtvl@one.email

From: HVC <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 21:54:36 -0500


Mahuva is still very much on IR! In fact it is a fairly big coaching
Depot.

The 30 Km line from Rajula Jn. to Mahuva sees three passenger trains a
day
in each direction.

Ahemedabad - Mahuva(via Dhola, Dhasa) is under the gauge conversion plan
although actual work had not started till late '98.

-----Original Message-----
From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email lwebber@planetmail.email
<lwebber@planetmail.email
Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?


Regarding Mahuva Jn.; the complete NG line between Bhavnagar and
Mahuva Jn. was closed down in the late eighties and later the tracks
were also removed thus Mahuva Jn. may no longer be there on the
railway map of India or maybe even if it is mentioned in the map the
railway line will be non-existent.

Sarosh.

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Zebra Stripes

Date: 31 Aug 1999 22:53:15 -0500



Gang,

These days I am noticing on Western railway that certain mainline
coaches
have Yellow Zebra Strips on the space above the toilet windows. Most of
them are at both the ends of the coaches but certain coaches have
stripes
at one end only.

Any guesses what the stripes mean.

Viraf.



==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:16:06 -0500




Larry,

Two answers,

Coimbatore is one of the three points in a triangle of junctions :
Coimbatore,
Coimbatore North, and Podanur.

Wadi is the original junction. Only recently, have the railways laid a
loop line
from the Raichur side directly to the Secunderabad line, thus obviating
the
change of direction at Wadi for trains like the Rayalseema. It was on
this loop
line that Halakatta was installed.

Do you also have Gooty as a Jn.

Regards

Raymond

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:17:51 -0500


> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:23:15 +0530 (IST)
> From: "VIRAF P.. MULLA " <sncf>
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Zebra Stripes

>
> Gang,
>
> These days I am noticing on Western railway that certain mainline
coaches
> have Yellow Zebra Strips on the space above the toilet windows. Most
of
> them are at both the ends of the coaches but certain coaches have
stripes
> at one end only.
>
> Any guesses what the stripes mean.
>
> Viraf.
>
>
>
> ==========================
> Viraf Mulla
> C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
> Borivali (West)
> Mumbai 400103
> Tel: +91-22-8954510
> E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
> ==========================
>
Viraf,

Yesterday whilst on the way to Dadar, I noticed these zebra stripes
on a II sleeper coach of the Kanyakumari Express. I could read only
partly something like 'Vendor ......'. Could it be for those vendors
who sell tidbits on the train? I wonder if I even read it correctly.

Sarosh.

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:29:17 -0500


Hi, Larry,

Earlier, I wrote that Mahuva Jn. should not be on the WR map. I made
a gaff there. In fact, Mahuva Jn. is on the MG line connected to
Dhasa Jn. which is on the Jetalsar - Dhola main line. However, Mahuva
is no longer a Jn. since more than a decade.

Sarosh.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Animal V/S Mankind

Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:34:41 -0500


> PS: Pune Jn. looks more congested vis-a-vis Dadar. Right, Appu?

The problem is the narrowness of the platforms with two mail /
expresses
on either side. But Pune comes nowhere in the category of
Dadar. I can
still think of Pune as a location for railfanning. With Dadar,
I just
want to get out. Although there was a very quiet hidden WR
platform where
the 9032 (which we took from GIM in Jan 99) dropped us.
Actually from
this platform you cannot see any other railway line easily.

Apurva

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:46:04 -0500


> Reply-to: "HVC" <hvc@vsnl.email
> From: "HVC" <hvc@vsnl.email
> To: "S.B.Mehta" <sarosh>, <irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:24:36 +0530

> Mahuva is still very much on IR! In fact it is a fairly big coaching
Depot.

Sorry, Harsh, that was a gaff I made there.

> The 30 Km line from Rajula Jn. to Mahuva sees three passenger trains a
day
> in each direction.
In fact, the Rajula City Pass. 312/311 is not a daily service, but
Pass. 310/309 and 306/305 between Dhasa Jn and Mahuva Jn. are on a
daily basis.

> Ahemedabad - Mahuva(via Dhola, Dhasa) is under the gauge conversion
plan
> although actual work had not started till late '98.

This means that the MG line between Dhasa and Jetalsar Jns. will be
like an isolated pocket and that goes for the port city of Bhavnagar
Terminus, also.

Sarosh.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
> To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email lwebber@planetmail.email
> <lwebber@planetmail.email
> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?
>
>
> Regarding Mahuva Jn.; the complete NG line between Bhavnagar and
> Mahuva Jn. was closed down in the late eighties and later the tracks
> were also removed thus Mahuva Jn. may no longer be there on the
> railway map of India or maybe even if it is mentioned in the map the
> railway line will be non-existent.
>
> Sarosh.
>
>
>
>

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: [Train names, Queens and Godesses.]

Date: 01 Sep 1999 01:48:11 -0500


Hello Karthikeyan,

>There is also a Kamban express that I know of. It goes from madras >to
some
>place in the south.
Kamban express runs between Chennai and Karaikudi. Kamban was
a
great poet and was famous for his depiction of Ramayana called
"KambaRamayanam". Though this has nothing to do with the train, i guess
the
reason could be to just glorify the feats of this poet by giving this
train
his name and secondly since this train runs via Kumbakonam-Tanjavur main

line his birth place which is near this place could have also added to
the
reason for this name being given to the train.

Kind regards,
Anand


>From: Karthikeyan Seetharaman <skeyan@netscape.email
>To: Anand Krishnan <krish_nand@hotmail.email
>Subject: Re: [Train names, Queens and Godesses.]
>Date: 31 Aug 99 16:34:31 EDT

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: OHE cables snapped

Date: 01 Sep 1999 01:53:11 -0500


This happened a few days back.

Two of the line in the Bhore ghats had the OHE cable snapped
when boulders fell on them. This stranded a lot of train with
typical delays of 6 hours. The boulder were already in the
survey which identifies them the loose, unstable or dangerous
and blasts them or drops them in a controlled fashion.
Apparently the act of god overtook the act of the boulder
gang.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 01 Sep 1999 02:03:41 -0500


Viraf,

There is also the text 'North' and 'South' stenciled on end of the WR
coaches
that needs to be explained....
Are the coaches turned periodically to equalize wear on the flanges ?
My guess is replacement of the entire toilet floor with a single piece
FRP
moulded item. The toilet area is where the corrosion really starts and
it is
a big issue with ICF and RCF. A retrofit of this nature could increase
the
life of the coach and that needs to be tagged, so may be the zebra
stripe.
Please tell us about you WKR trip over the weekend.

Apurva

"VIRAF P.. MULLA" wrote:

> Gang,
>
> These days I am noticing on Western railway that certain mainline
coaches
> have Yellow Zebra Strips on the space above the toilet windows.

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