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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:37:08 -0500


Gang!,(I"ve been dying to do that),

A couple of months ago I wrote about my journey to see steam in India
for the first time. I never finished the story and will not bore you
with the details. I will say that after getting off the bus we,(me and
my brother in-law, Stanley), proceeded into a quiet nieghborhood where
we met a man at his house. His name was Thomas Chaundy. He had recently
retiered as the station master of Katpadi Jct. He would escort us to the
locomotive. After the usual friendly greetings to the family and the
Indian hospitality,(food, drink, more food, more drink, and I can not
forget dessert), we were on our way to the shed.
Now, I'll let the pictures do the talking for what I saw on that Febuary
1994 day. My page is a little bit screwy. Somehow I managed to transfer
a lot of s#&% to it. I'll try to fix the unwanted crap later.But before
anyone goes there, I'd like to thank everyone on this list for the
inspiration. Especially Apurva for showing the world his IR images. I am
one who loves to share photos too and his enthusiasm to show his got me
jump started. And to Shanker, who came a long way in a short time in web
page development. Shanker, I envy you.
So, after weeks of messing around with this damn PC, scanner, web
programs, and the ISP(and a "Fosters" 25.4ozer tonight), I finally got
something to show.

Go to <A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964</A>
then scroll down to "Rail Images".htm and you'll get my intended page.

Best regards, Tim

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: correction

Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:44:11 -0500


John Lacey wrote:
>
> This is an interesting web site which has other interesting articles.
> They were originally published in weekly parts in the late 1930s in a
> series called " Railway Wonders of the World" ( price 7d), edited by
> Clarence Winchester, with Cecil J. Allen as Consulting Editor.
> Part 13 has " Modern transport in India" which includes a colour plate
> of an XC hauling ' the Frontier Mail passing over a viaduct on the
> Darah section of the Bombay , Baroda and Central India railway...'
> Other photos include the Parsik tunnel, a Nizam's State railway goods
> 2-8-2, an EBR XB, a Kalka-Simla viaduct, and a train arriving at
> Barogh.
> Part 47has an article, " A Himalayan Loop Line " with 4 photos of the
> DHR.
> Cheers,
> John Lacey

Correction: The last line should read Part 22...
This article on the DHR is on the website.
Another interesting article ( not yet on the website) is in part 35,
" Rail transport in Ceylon" which has a builders photo of a BG
Sentinel-Cammell "Steam Rail Coach". The centre spread photo of the
same part is of the erecting shop of the Vulcan Foundry and what looks
like an XC is visible.
-John Lacey

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:29:52 -0500


As far as I know the YDM 4 lookalike and the twin cab diesel below that
are
DLW products. I remember seeing a picture of the twin cab power in an
Indian Rly mag

"S.Shankar" wrote:

> Hello,
> I have completed my Bangladesh Railways page at last.
> Check it out at:
>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm</A>
>
> Find 'amaar shonaar bangla' at the end of the list, then click on the
> url below/next to the title to view page.
>
> My special thanks to Larry Russell for allowing me to link this page
to
> the Bangladesh page of his EMD website, due to which we can all have a
> complete idea of the railways in Bangladesh.
>
> Having got to know the neighbors on both sides, I can now return to my
> home territory: IR.
>
> Do let me know how you liked the pages about our neighbors.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Shankar

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:34:33 -0500


Hello,
Thank you for your kind words, MIke.
Actually, there are n number of sites on GIF animations. All the sites
allow you to use the GIF ani s liberally if you are making a personal
page. You right click the image, and say save as.
I'd saved several dozens of them on a floppy.
They do not work when you preview them on your HDD, but seem to come to
life mysteriously when you upload them onto a website.
My tiger GIF was similarly obtained. No way I could enlarge or
manipulate it in any way. But yes, its a terrific one alright.
Cheers.
Shankar





Mike Brooker wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >I have completed my Bangladesh Railways page at last.
> >Check it out at:
> >
> ><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm</A>
> >
> >Find 'amaar shonaar bangla' at the end of the list, then click on the
> >url below/next to the title to view page.
> >
>
> I like the tiger gif, coming right at you. Could be a bit bigger,
though.
>
> "Amaar shonaar bangla" (by Rabindranath Tagore) is the national anthem
of
> Bangladesh, isn't it? I've been going through my copy of "Gitanjali",
just
> in case there might be any references to trains and railways in
Tagore's
> poems. Didn't find any, of course. (although boats are mentioned in
a few
> of the Gitanjali's)
>
> ********************************************************************
> Mike Brooker
> 99 Wychcrest Ave.,
> Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
> CANADA
> (416) 536-7406
> ********************************************************************

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 04:28:18 -0500


The images do not open ! Anyone else with similar experience ?

Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:

> Gang!,(I"ve been dying to do that),
>
> A couple of months ago I wrote about my journey to see steam in India
> for the first time.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 04:31:21 -0500


The slide show works all right (start with 0.htm rather than
railimages.htm

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 04:39:16 -0500


DO NOT MISS THIS PAGE. Amazing images of YPs in glorious colour. Open
the
railimages.html in one window and run the slide show in the other. Try
to
correlate the caption with the picture.

Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> The images do not open ! Anyone else with similar experience ?
>
> Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
> > Gang!,(I"ve been dying to do that),
> >
> > A couple of months ago I wrote about my journey to see steam in
India
> > for the first time.

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: [IRFCA] please avoid potentially offensive references

Date: 25 Aug 1999 05:39:54 -0500


ok just to set things straight and so that anita get ever more convinced
i'm
not a feminist ... just wanted to say that I LOVE SHOPPING. :)

> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> > Please do remember "female " is politically and otherwise incorrect,
you could use
> > women. And I am sure Samit really meant no harm.
> >
> > Shyama (Apurva's wife)
>
>
> Shyama,
>
> My wife realizes that Samit meant no harm. But men are MEN and she
> thought it would be "cute" to let him know just what he was saying.It
> was supposed to be harmless fun. Shanker seems very happy!
>
> Regards to all, the guy that hates shopping, but had to take her
today,
> Tim
>

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: News from Rediff

Date: 25 Aug 1999 07:17:46 -0500


Would this be the first (contemporary) narrow gauge luxury train on IR?
Read on....

********************************************************************
Ride the Kangra Queen
Northern Railways has introduced a new narrow gauge luxury train between
Pathankot and Palampur in Himachal Pradesh. The train will cover the 128
kms
in four hours and 25 minutes.
The Kangra Queen departs Pathankot at 0820 hours and reach Palampur at
1255
hours, daily.
On the return journey, the train departs Palampur at 1345 hours and
reach
Pathankot at 1805 hours, daily. The train will halt at Jwalamukhi and
Kangra
stations on its way to and from Palampur.
The train has one first class coach, two chair cars and one second class
coach. The total seating capacity of the train is 92 passengers.
The first class ticket between Pathankot and Palampur is priced at Rs
330
per head. The ticket for the chair car is priced at Rs 310 per head. The
second class ticket is priced at Rs 190 per head.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: (no subject)

Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:06:38 -0500


Hello,
Check out this url:

<A HREF="http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~noz/india/eid-idx.html">http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~noz/india/eid-idx.html</A>

Cheers.

Shankar

From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: Roadrailer

Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:13:37 -0500


Dear Shanku and Satish,
This question of track occupancy depends very crotically on
relative
speeds. The British used to run very slow freight trains of unbraked
stock,
at not more than 25mph, right up to the 1960s. Because of this, many of
the
busier main lines had four tracks, two for passenger and two for
freight.
They could actually have SAVED money by putting brakes on all their
wagons
and running freight trains faster, because then they could have run at
similar speeds to the passnegers, and the cost of the extra tracks
saved.
(The LNER's 100mph high-speed expresses on the ECML before the war
needed
about FIVE blocks cleared in advance of them: the signalling was still
geared to slow, old-fashioned trains!)
That's history, but IR are confronted with some similar hangovers
from
past practice. There's no good reason why modern freight trains
shouldn't
ran as fast as passenger ones, and on some railways -- notably in Europe
--
that's what's happening. But it does require fully braked freight stock
fit
for the same speeds as the passenger trains. Then you can get line
occupancy
up, because you are not tying up huge lengths of line due to the
differing
speeds of the trains.
If that policy were implemented, it would certainly mean the early
demise of the remaining CR/CRT vans, because they are unstable over
about 45
mph/70kph. (This isn't confined to India: some Australian railways had
just
the same problem). It would probably also have an impact on inspection
and
maintenance regimes!
The other hangover that still puzzles me is why IR have never
taken
up transporter wagons or rollbocken (the little German bogies that go
under
the axles of SG/BG stock so it can run on NG) as ways of retaining
freight
traffic on the NG (and perhaps the MG too).
Cheers
Ken Walker



-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
To: 'S Pai' <s_pai@bigfoot.email Indian Railways List <irfca@cs.email
Date: 24 August 1999 6:14
Subject: RE: Roadrailer


>I think the combination of #1 and #2 (sharing tracks and giving higher
>priority to passenger traffic) probably has a very big effect on
freight.
>(And the reason for the latter probably being #4 below). It's probably
not
>uncommon to see a goods train wait for hours when there's heavy or
backed
up
>passenger traffic on a two line section.
>
>In the US, by contrasts, the rail system exists primarily for freight
>traffic. Freight gets the highest speed lines (except in high-speed
>passenger corridors), and usually gets priority over passenger traffic
in
>shared areas. You'll see this a lot if you travel on the California
Zephyr
>or similar trains.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: S Pai [mailto:s_pai@bigfoot.email
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 7:09 PM
>To: Indian Railways List
>Subject: Re: Roadrailer
>
>
>
>[Why freight traffic seems slower than passenger traffic]
>
>Some thoughts:
>
>1. Same set of tracks used for both passenger and freight traffic (no
> dedicated lines).
>2. Passenger trains are naturally given a much higher priority.
>3. Loading / unloading freight is more complex and time-consuming than
> getting passengers on and off a train.
>4. The freight constituency is not considered as politically important
as
> the passenger constituency by politicians, naturally.
>5. [speculation] Most goods trains, except regularly scheduled goods
> "specials" are probably sent on an "as-needed" basis; i.e. they wait
> till they have enough to put together a normal-sized rake for and
then
> send it out, so some freight shipments might just have to wait for
some
> time before the journey begins. (Someone more familiar with freight
> operations can probably comment on whether this is close to the
truth.)
>
>Are there any "goods expresses" that reach any significant speed (say
>120km/h or more) anywhere on IR? I know there are some special
services
>that have some sort of guaranteed delivery time, but even those
probably
>aren't really handled at high speeds. (?) Note -- a loaded freight
train
>will take far longer than a passenger train to halt in case of an
>emergency; this might also limit the speed of freights on busy sections
>(and it may be uneconomical to use shorter rakes to get around this).
>
>--Satish
>
>
>
>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: clw site

Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:40:53 -0500


Hello,
Well, what do you know!
I have been trying to browse for the CLW website for over a week now,
trying all sorts of permutations and combinations, but in vain.

Apparently, the site is very much under construction.

I came across a similar half-constructed website of the iricen (Indian
Rlys, Inst. of Civil Engg) Poona a couple of days ago, but did not
bokmark it as it was as yet incomplete.

Thanks for the post anyway!

Cheers.

Shankar




Zubin Lee wrote:
>
> hi folks !
>
> i just came across this site whilst browsing. this seems to have been
an
> offshoot of the IRIEEN site. no links except the 'about CLW' work, and
> there's hardly anything on the site as such. however, tech buffs may
have a
> feast since there is good technical data on 3 phase 25 kV ac electric
> locos - namely WAG9 and WAP5.
> the url is : <A HREF="http://education.vsnl.com/irieensite/index.htm">http://education.vsnl.com/irieensite/index.htm</A>
> for tech details :
<A HREF="http://education.vsnl.com/irieensite/threephaseinfo.htm">http://education.vsnl.com/irieensite/threephaseinfo.htm</A>
>
> ~zubin
> <A HREF="http://zubin.gen-next.com/">http://zubin.gen-next.com/</A>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 25 Aug 1999 11:35:04 -0500


Hello Appu

Ref your earlier post about the YDM/4 twin and the carbody diesel on my
Bangladesh site.

Here is a clarification I received from Larry Russell in one of his
mails to me on another subject:

(Quote)
BTW, the YDM4
style on BR is built by MLW. The cab units are by DLW.

Larry

(Quote).

Trust that clarifies.

Cheers.

Shankar

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 11:37:12 -0500


Hi Tim,

Great pictures. I saved a copy of the RailImages HTML document on my
local drive
and then changed the paths (src) of the images to reflect the correct
URL
and it
worked!! In your source file for the RailImages.htm page, change the
paths
for the images

from
file:///C:/My%20Documents/For%20E-Mailing%20from%20Picture%20It!/Slide%2
0Sho
ws/katpadi%20jct%20HTML/

to <A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/</A>

For example, the path for the first image should be
<A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/0.jpg">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/0.jpg</A>

The browser will then look for the images at the proper site/location.


Hope this helps,

Vijay


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [SMTP:tmwake@warwick.email
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:50 PM
> To: John Lacey
> Cc: irfca; iti@vsnl.email
> Subject: Re: Steam
>
> John Lacey wrote:
> >
> > Dear Tim,
> > I followed your instructions, and I got the page with text and boxed
> > spaces for photos. However, when I clicked on the photo icon I only
got
> > a question mark.
> > I tried clicking on one of the sinle jpegs and did get a photo, and
so
> > went back to the top and got a slide show-but no captions now.
> > Anyway I liked the photos of the departing YP taken from the box.
> > I spent a few days in nearby Tirupati in 1987, and passed through
> > Katpadi on my way south. I caught #199 Express at 15.30 from
Tirupati
> > which arrived in Madurai at 11.00 the next day-hauled by SCR and SR
YPs
> > throughout. It was a very pleasant journey.
> > Are your original photos slides or prints? They come out a nice size
on
> > my aging computer!
> >
> > I'm looking forward to another instalment.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > John Lacey
>
>
> John, Apurva
>
> I don't know why this is happening. A friend of mine tried it last
night
> from his PC and said it worked fine. It is working from mine too when
> taken from the list.
>
> Tim

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 11:50:18 -0500


John Lacey wrote:
>
> Dear Tim,
> I followed your instructions, and I got the page with text and boxed
> spaces for photos. However, when I clicked on the photo icon I only
got
> a question mark.
> I tried clicking on one of the sinle jpegs and did get a photo, and so
> went back to the top and got a slide show-but no captions now.
> Anyway I liked the photos of the departing YP taken from the box.
> I spent a few days in nearby Tirupati in 1987, and passed through
> Katpadi on my way south. I caught #199 Express at 15.30 from Tirupati
> which arrived in Madurai at 11.00 the next day-hauled by SCR and SR
YPs
> throughout. It was a very pleasant journey.
> Are your original photos slides or prints? They come out a nice size
on
> my aging computer!
>
> I'm looking forward to another instalment.
>
> Best wishes,
> John Lacey


John, Apurva

I don't know why this is happening. A friend of mine tried it last night
from his PC and said it worked fine. It is working from mine too when
taken from the list.

Tim

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 25 Aug 1999 11:59:28 -0500


Sundar Krishnamurthy wrote:
>
I rate 6009/6010 Chennai mail as the most leisurely train out of CST.
There
> would be very few main line express trains in India that have a
schedule
> speed lower than this one - 43 kmph !
>
> Regards
>
> Sundar




Hello Sundar,
You think the Madras-Bombay Mail is slow?

You forget the following trains, which are called expresses, but are in
reality a cruel joke on the poor travellers:

1 Dadar-Amritsar Express
2 Kolhapur-Gondia Maharashtra Express
3 & 4 Bombay Kolhapur Koyna Express and Sahyadri Express
5.Ahmedabad-Gorakhpur Sabarmati Express
6.Bombay Central-Dehradun Express
7.Narmada Express (from Jabalpur to I forget where)
8.The now resurrected Howrah-Delhi Janata Express
7.H.Nizamuddin-Agra Intercity Express
8.Madras-Jolarpettai Yelagiri Express
9.Tirupati-Howrah Express
10.Secunderabad-Guntur Golconda Express
11.Secenderabad-Sirpur Kagaznagar Bhagyanagar Exp. (OK, its part
passenger)

There used to be some superslow express trains on the mg in Bihar (in
the Darbhanga-Jogbani belt), and in Gujarat (Girnar Express?)

Need I name any more?

Cheers!

Shankar.
>
> >Hello,
> >Minor correction:
> >It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days,
> >but Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
> >It was so named to eliminate confusion among the passengers
> >due to the existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains on the
> >route, though people still preferred to refer to the Chennai
> >Express as 'Madras superfast'
> >long after it was de-rated.
> >Cheers.
> >Shankar

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:02:09 -0500


Hello,
I vaguely remember, towards the end, just before the four digit system
came in, there was a trend towards numbering superfasts with three
digit, starting with 9xx.(sometimes, but not always).

Cheers.

Shankar




raymond/Polaris@polaris.email wrote:
>
> Dear Apurva / Gang,
>
> Superfasts were numbered all over the place. If it was a pre-existing
> superfast, no change in numbering - examples were GT (15/16), Frontier
> (3/4), ditto for Kalka Mail.
>
> Newer Superfasts (or at least very fast trains) were numbered from 121
> onwards. My memory test came up with these :
>
> 121/122 - TN
> 123/124 - AP
> 125/126 - Kerala
> 127/128 - Karnataka
> 131/132 - J.J. exp. (Jayanthi Janata - not a Tamil Nadu Actress turned
> leader)
> 133/134 - Chattisgarh
> 135/136 - Vaigai
> 139/140 - Ganga Kaveri
> 141/142 - Coromandel
> 143/144 - Utkal, or was it NDLS Puri Exp.
> 151/152 - BCT Rajdhani
> 157/158 - Kashi Vishwanath
> 159/160 - Sarnath
>
> Raymond

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Dual Cab Diesels

Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:05:19 -0500


Hello Shanku
Very interesting article. I just had a cursory glance. Will revert as
soon as I have studied it in some detail.
Thanks.
Cheers.
Shankar



Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> For some interesting info off the web on the cab issue, what steam
> generators in locomotives had to do with it, and why American designs
look
> the way they do, check out
>
> <A HREF="http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/railroad/en_info.htm#looks">http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/railroad/en_info.htm#looks</A>
>
> Some other interesting anecdotes about the GG-1 from the web, at the
site of
> Pierce Haviland, a former GG-1 engineer, at
> <A HREF="http://www.quuxuum.org/~haviland/pierce.html:">http://www.quuxuum.org/~haviland/pierce.html:</A>
>

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Steam

Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:31:25 -0500


Hello Vijay,
Thank you bery much for pitching in a bit of your expertise.With my
still 'L' plates knowledge, I would have missed a real treat, if I'd had
to figure out all that for myself.

And Tim, you do yourself proud. Some of the slides are superlative: esp
# 21 where the YP (or is it YG?) hauled train comes round a bend. Other
winners are low view of the YDM/w with the 10A showing, view of the YG
puffing out of the station giving out an acrid pall of black smoke etc.
Being slides, the quality is superb as well.
Let me know if you want me to put it up in a web page format. I'd be
glad to help, though there are several others who are much more
technically advanced and more experienced that I.
Cheers.
Shankar




Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Great pictures. I saved a copy of the RailImages HTML document on
my
> local drive
> and then changed the paths (src) of the images to reflect the correct
URL
> and it
> worked!! In your source file for the RailImages.htm page, change the
paths
> for the images
>
> from
>
file:///C:/My%20Documents/For%20E-Mailing%20from%20Picture%20It!/Slide%2
0Sho
> ws/katpadi%20jct%20HTML/
>
> to <A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/</A>
>
> For example, the path for the first image should be
> <A HREF="http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/0.jpg">http://webusers.warwick.net/~u1029964/0.jpg</A>
>
> The browser will then look for the images at the proper site/location.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Vijay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim & Anita Wakeman [SMTP:tmwake@warwick.email
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:50 PM
> > To: John Lacey
> > Cc: irfca; iti@vsnl.email
> > Subject: Re: Steam
> >
> > John Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Tim,
> > > I followed your instructions, and I got the page with text and
boxed
> > > spaces for photos. However, when I clicked on the photo icon I
only got
> > > a question mark.
> > > I tried clicking on one of the sinle jpegs and did get a photo,
and so
> > > went back to the top and got a slide show-but no captions now.
> > > Anyway I liked the photos of the departing YP taken from the box.
> > > I spent a few days in nearby Tirupati in 1987, and passed through
> > > Katpadi on my way south. I caught #199 Express at 15.30 from
Tirupati
> > > which arrived in Madurai at 11.00 the next day-hauled by SCR and
SR YPs
> > > throughout. It was a very pleasant journey.
> > > Are your original photos slides or prints? They come out a nice
size on
> > > my aging computer!
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to another instalment.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > John Lacey
> >
> >
> > John, Apurva
> >
> > I don't know why this is happening. A friend of mine tried it last
night
> > from his PC and said it worked fine. It is working from mine too
when
> > taken from the list.
> >
> > Tim

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:57:01 -0500


what aboutthe yucky howrah - ahmedabad express? lived many a night and
day
in that...

----- Original Message -----
From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: <sundar@spyring.email
Cc: <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 00:29
Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down


> Sundar Krishnamurthy wrote:
> >
> I rate 6009/6010 Chennai mail as the most leisurely train out of CST.
> There
> > would be very few main line express trains in India that have a
schedule
> > speed lower than this one - 43 kmph !
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sundar
>
>
>
>
> Hello Sundar,
> You think the Madras-Bombay Mail is slow?
>
> You forget the following trains, which are called expresses, but are
in
> reality a cruel joke on the poor travellers:
>
> 1 Dadar-Amritsar Express
> 2 Kolhapur-Gondia Maharashtra Express
> 3 & 4 Bombay Kolhapur Koyna Express and Sahyadri Express
> 5.Ahmedabad-Gorakhpur Sabarmati Express
> 6.Bombay Central-Dehradun Express
> 7.Narmada Express (from Jabalpur to I forget where)
> 8.The now resurrected Howrah-Delhi Janata Express
> 7.H.Nizamuddin-Agra Intercity Express
> 8.Madras-Jolarpettai Yelagiri Express
> 9.Tirupati-Howrah Express
> 10.Secunderabad-Guntur Golconda Express
> 11.Secenderabad-Sirpur Kagaznagar Bhagyanagar Exp. (OK, its part
> passenger)
>
> There used to be some superslow express trains on the mg in Bihar (in
> the Darbhanga-Jogbani belt), and in Gujarat (Girnar Express?)
>
> Need I name any more?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Shankar.
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >Minor correction:
> > >It was not Dadar-Chennai Express in its earlier days,
> > >but Dadar-Madras Chennai Express.
> > >It was so named to eliminate confusion among the passengers
> > >due to the existance of two Dadar-Madras Express trains on the
> > >route, though people still preferred to refer to the Chennai
> > >Express as 'Madras superfast'
> > >long after it was de-rated.
> > >Cheers.
> > >Shankar
>

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