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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:10:25 -0500


Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> well i have a female friend who loves trains and i told her to join...
but
> then they can be lazy too.


Samit,
I resent the last comment.

Anita

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: FAQ - Trivia Update

Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:16:41 -0500


The TVC Raj. now has a passenger halt at Kota. I am not sure whether
it
has a technical halt at Ratlam or it skips it altogether - could someone
with
a recent WR working TT confirm this?

The Mumbai Rajdhani did have a spectacular New Delhi-Raltam run with a
techincal halt at Gangapur City. The Rajasthan govt. wasn't too pleased
about
the Raj. skipping its state, so Kota was added in 1987. In fact, both
the
Mumbai/
Calcutta Rajs. during inception had NO intermediate passenger halts.
The
first
to follow were Kanpur Central and Vadodara and then the rest.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: raymond/Polaris@POLARIS.email
[SMTP:raymond/Polaris@POLARIS.email
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 1:01 AM
> To: Vijay Balasubramanian
> Cc: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: FAQ - Trivia Update
>
>
> Vijay,
>
> Check out the TVC Rajdhani which has no passenger halts between NZM
and
> BRC. My all-time favourite used to be the BCT Rajdhani which used to
have
> its first passenger halt at Ratlam - all of 736 kms. if my memory is
still
> what I think it was. Of course, it used to halt at Gangapur City to
> re-fuel
> (both locos as well as passengers, if you know what I mean!).
>
> Regards
>
> Raymond
>

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: My vote for knowing whos-who

Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:26:29 -0500


dear anita,

i am sorry my comment sounded sexist... but what i meant is my friends
(read
people generally) can be lazy too. i wasnt trying to say women are lazy.

apologies if it did sound that way. i'm not a sexist :)

samit

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: [Fw: Privacy factor was RE: My vote.....]

Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:29:48 -0500


yes i keep quiet at times when the discussion gets very technical... i
know
little or no technical knowledge, but i do manage to glean some info out
of
all this. keep up the good work all.

samit


----- Original Message -----
From: Karthikeyan Seetharaman <skeyan@netscape.email
To: Samit Roychoudhury <samr@vsnl.email
Cc: <krish_nand@hotmail.email
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 22:17
Subject: Re: [Fw: Privacy factor was RE: My vote.....]


> Hi samit and Anand,
> > I wonder if the mails are even read.
> Yes ofcourse, I read all the mails. But unfortunately, I dont have so
much
of
> an expertise to give some rail info to the gang. The very fact that I
am
on
> the list implies that I read the mails, and I enjoy reading them. I
guess
most
> of the silent folks would have unsubscribed if they were not
interested in
the
> mails in the mailsing list.
> regards, Karthik
>
>
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>
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From: Parag Dave <>

Subject: Railway Time-Tables

Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:22:53 -0500


Respected Sir,
Good Morning! If you don't mind then can you please help me a little
bit. I
want to get the railway timetbles of all the nine railway zones : WR,
CR, ER,
SR, NR, NE, NF, SC, and SE. If you say, then I will e-mail you my
mailing
address, also I can pay you in USA in (in dollars) or to your Indian
office(in
Rs.), since though I live in USA, I also have some relatives in India
who can
send money order to you at your office in India. Can you please e-mail
me
back that from where can I get all these time tables and how much do I
have to
pay and to whom do I have to pay (I live in USA) Can you please answer
these
question at parag75@usa.email This is my e-mail address. Thank you very
much.
Thanks a lot. Have a nice day. Waiting for the reply!
Sincerely,
Parag Dave
parag75@usa.email

____________________________________________________________________
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From: Roy, Soumya <>

Subject: Re: WAP5s

Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:23:22 -0500


I think the WAP5s are cleared to haul the Rajs only

2301/02 (HWH)
2422/21 (Bhubaneswar till HWH)
2424/25 (Guwahati till MGS)
2952/51 (Mumbai till BRC)
I have never seen it being used for the 2305/2306 (HWH via Patna) or
2954
AKR though I may be mistaken .
This was till the end of 1997 (after which I am a bit out of touch,
being
in the US)

I am not aware, if they have been used to haul the Shatabdis
originating
out of NDLS to BPL or CNB till the end of 1997 ?

The pics were real good, at last some snaps from ER !

Cheers,
Soumya


-----Original Message-----
From: Shanku Niyogi [mailto:shankun@microsoft.email
Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 5:25 PM
To: 'Roy, Soumya'; 'irfca@cs.email
Subject: RE:


1) There are special facilities maintained by ABB folks at GZB that
don't
exist anywhere else. (I believe Harsh mentioned that the ABB staff don't
allow IR crews to work on the WAP5).

BTW, Does anyone have a list of trains that run with the WAP5?

2) WAP6s are WAP4s fitted with a Mark IV bogie, to try and achieve
speeds of
160km/h. These locos were deployed at Baroda, but had various problems
operating at the high speeds. They were subsequently restricted to run
at
slower speeds, and moved to Asansol, where they are used to haul longer
trains on the HWH-MGS chord line. You can see several pictures of WAP6s
22401 and 22402 at
<A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/images_all.html">http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/images_all.html</A>
As you may see, they look very similar to WAP4s (except the bogies). In
fact, 22402's markings just had the 4 painted over and replaced by a 6,
indicating it's origins.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy, Soumya [mailto:SRoy@ENERGY.email
Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 2:33 PM
To: 'irfca@cs.email
Subject:


Hi All,

I am probably the latest addition to this e-group and I am really
fascinated
by the amount of info exchange going on on IR .

To start with I had a couple of questions :
1) Why are the WAP5s (the ABB locos) all housed at GZB(Ghaziabad rail
shed)
2) Has IR introduced the WAP6 series ? and if so can anyone fwd the
technical specs of this ?

Thanks,
Soumya Roy

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:32:04 -0500


Hello,
I have completed my Bangladesh Railways page at last.
Check it out at:

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm</A>

Find 'amaar shonaar bangla' at the end of the list, then click on the
url below/next to the title to view page.

My special thanks to Larry Russell for allowing me to link this page to
the Bangladesh page of his EMD website, due to which we can all have a
complete idea of the railways in Bangladesh.

Having got to know the neighbors on both sides, I can now return to my
home territory: IR.

Do let me know how you liked the pages about our neighbors.

Cheers.

Shankar

From: Prateep Chatterjee <>

Subject: Re: WAP5s

Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:04:41 -0500


I have seen the 2417/2418 PrayagRaj Exp (Allahabad-New Delhi) also being
hauled
by the WAP5s.

> I think the WAP5s are cleared to haul the Rajs only
>
> 2301/02 (HWH)
> 2422/21 (Bhubaneswar till HWH)
> 2424/25 (Guwahati till MGS)
> 2952/51 (Mumbai till BRC)
> I have never seen it being used for the 2305/2306 (HWH via Patna) or
2954
> AKR though I may be mistaken .
> This was till the end of 1997 (after which I am a bit out of touch,
being
> in the US)
>
> I am not aware, if they have been used to haul the Shatabdis
originating
> out of NDLS to BPL or CNB till the end of 1997 ?
>
> The pics were real good, at last some snaps from ER !
>
> Cheers,
> Soumya
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shanku Niyogi [mailto:shankun@microsoft.email
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 5:25 PM
> To: 'Roy, Soumya'; 'irfca@cs.email
> Subject: RE:
>
> 1) There are special facilities maintained by ABB folks at GZB that
don't
> exist anywhere else. (I believe Harsh mentioned that the ABB staff
don't
> allow IR crews to work on the WAP5).
>
> BTW, Does anyone have a list of trains that run with the WAP5?
>
> 2) WAP6s are WAP4s fitted with a Mark IV bogie, to try and achieve
speeds of
> 160km/h. These locos were deployed at Baroda, but had various problems
> operating at the high speeds. They were subsequently restricted to run
at
> slower speeds, and moved to Asansol, where they are used to haul
longer
> trains on the HWH-MGS chord line. You can see several pictures of
WAP6s
> 22401 and 22402 at
> <A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/images_all.html">http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/images_all.html</A>
> As you may see, they look very similar to WAP4s (except the bogies).
In
> fact, 22402's markings just had the 4 painted over and replaced by a
6,
> indicating it's origins.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy, Soumya [mailto:SRoy@ENERGY.email
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 2:33 PM
> To: 'irfca@cs.email
> Subject:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am probably the latest addition to this e-group and I am really
fascinated
> by the amount of info exchange going on on IR .
>
> To start with I had a couple of questions :
> 1) Why are the WAP5s (the ABB locos) all housed at GZB(Ghaziabad rail
shed)
> 2) Has IR introduced the WAP6 series ? and if so can anyone fwd the
> technical specs of this ?
>
> Thanks,
> Soumya Roy

--
--------------------------------------------------
Prateep Chatterjee
Graduate Student
Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
and Engineering Mechanics
University of Missouri-Rolla
Rolla, MO 65409
Phone : (573) 308-1542
--------------------------------------------------

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] please avoid potentially offensive references

Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:21:15 -0500


Anurag Acharya wrote:
>
> >well i have a female friend who loves trains and i told her to
join... but
> >then they can be lazy too.
>
> I request folks to avoid casual references like the above. We have
> barely gotten over the regional references round.... Offence may not
> be intended (and is usually not) but the "by-the-way" nature of the
> references can often be offensive.


Anurag,
No offense taken, although I am certainly not lazy, I don't think most
women are when they involve themselves into something they like. After
living with a train nut for several years I've
found myself getting involved anyways.Since this is my husbands hobby
I have great respect for him and others involved.It may not be a thrill
to me but it's interesting.I would be thrilled if he ever shown any
interest in my hobby, SHOPPING!

Have a good day! Sorry for ruffling the feathers.

Anita

From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:41:07 -0500


>Hello,
>I have completed my Bangladesh Railways page at last.
>Check it out at:
>
><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/index2.htm</A>
>
>Find 'amaar shonaar bangla' at the end of the list, then click on the
>url below/next to the title to view page.
>

I like the tiger gif, coming right at you. Could be a bit bigger,
though.

"Amaar shonaar bangla" (by Rabindranath Tagore) is the national anthem
of
Bangladesh, isn't it? I've been going through my copy of "Gitanjali",
just
in case there might be any references to trains and railways in Tagore's
poems. Didn't find any, of course. (although boats are mentioned in a
few
of the Gitanjali's)

********************************************************************
Mike Brooker
99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
CANADA
(416) 536-7406
********************************************************************

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re:Fw: Please Avoid this type of Team Work :- .. nice one

Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:11:11 -0500


apurva,

i'm sorry yet again.
i wasnt aware of this rule.

if you have any more unwritten rules, it would be nice if you could warn
new
members when they join.

thank you

samit
-----------------------------

> Samit,
>
> As much as I appreciate the cartoon, you are treading on the border of
the
unwritten rule of
> 'no pictures by email'. It is better for you to put it up on a webpage
and
direct us towards
> the URL.
>
> Apurva
>
> Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> > thought you people would like this one.
> >
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
------------
> > Name: TeamWork1.jpg
> > TeamWork1.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> > Encoding: base64
>
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] please avoid potentially offensive references

Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:38:27 -0500




Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:

> Since this is my husbands hobby
> I have great respect for him and others involved.It may not be a
thrill
> to me but it's interesting.I would be thrilled if he ever shown any
> interest in my hobby, SHOPPING!
> Anita

Points from a "female"

Women are different, if they are interested in Railways it would be in
different way.
I personally have done a lot of travelling, railfanning, footplating,
photography,
(Most of Apu's earlier photos like Mysore have been taken by me). But
now i have moved
on and it is not the most important thing for me. Most women who are
interested in
railways, they usually like the travelling. And believe all this is got
nothing to do
with "laziness".

Please do remember "female " is politically and otherwise incorrect,
you could use
women. And I am sure Samit really meant no harm.

Shyama (Apurva's wife)

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Women....

Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:34:06 -0500



Hi!

On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Mrs. Shyama Bahadur wrote:


> Points from a "female"


> Please do remember "female " is politically and otherwise incorrect,
you
could use women. And I am sure Samit really meant no harm.

> Shyama (Apurva's wife)

This term 'female' is mostly used by boys/girls living in hostels. Even
heard many girls using the term. I was initially taken back when heard
from a new recruit, may be she was from NID or Ind. Design at IIT,
Mumbai.
Instead words such as Lady or woman sound decent.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: APURVA

Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:49:47 -0500


I should know, my wife Shyama was a keen railbuff (before our child),
now
she says she knows better. All the pictures that show me on my webpage
are
actually clicked by Shyama.

Apurva

Larry Russell wrote:

> Yes, there are a few in the US & Canada (VERY FEW). I've met a couple
on
> hard core excursions.
> Larry
>
> Jayant S wrote:
>
> > Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > > I would compose my thought soon on railfanning and matrimony,
> > > or how to prepare
> > > your future wife as to who you really are. But the problem of
> > > wife feeling neglects because the hubby is missing (or vice
> > > versa in case of lady railfans)
> >
> > Aha: does the lady railfan actually exist ? :)
> > --
> > JS
> > --

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: amaar shonaar bangla

Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:17:56 -0500


Shanker,

You are getting very creative! I'm still trying to figure out how to get
my page to a server! Congratulations!

Tim

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: [IRFCA] please avoid potentially offensive references

Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:25:58 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> Please do remember "female " is politically and otherwise incorrect,
you could use
> women. And I am sure Samit really meant no harm.
>
> Shyama (Apurva's wife)


Shyama,

My wife realizes that Samit meant no harm. But men are MEN and she
thought it would be "cute" to let him know just what he was saying.It
was supposed to be harmless fun. Shanker seems very happy!

Regards to all, the guy that hates shopping, but had to take her today,
Tim

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: Privacy factor was RE: My vote.....

Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:40:17 -0500



> In fact, when the club was restricted to about 10 or so
> members, we knew each other reasonably well, right Dheeraj?

It was very different then. Most of us were students. Didn't
have job and family responsibilities. So it was even possible
to have a get-together of members. As a student, we could take
off anytime, go anywhere, meet each other, spend lot more time
on the mailing list, and of course the group was very small.


-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
Home Page: <A HREF="http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj">http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj</A>

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: How is the "shortest path" calculated?

Date: 25 Aug 1999 01:20:28 -0500


Dear Suresh and gang,

There is an algorithm that is resident now in the software for the PRS
of
IR, but I just have no idea what it is.

For example, I had wanted to book direct tickets from Chennai to
Kathgodam
via New Delhi, but the PRS said the direct tickets would be Chennai -
Mathura - Lalkua - Kathgodam. The PRS does not really bother that we
would
have to change trains at Mathura and then again at Lalkua.

However, there is an exception that comes readily to mind. The Chennai -
Jaipur shortest route according to the PRS is Chennai - Bina - Kota -
Sawai
Madhopur - Jaipur. Now however the Chennai - Jaipur Express does not go
by
the shortest route, but you can still get direct tickets because it is
by a
single train.

Now I do wonder what the JAT - TVM shortest route would be, or to make
it
simpler NDLS - TVM. Is it via BRC and KR, via ET BSL and then KR, or
MAS,
QLN.

Regards

Raymond

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Hill Railways of India

Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:07:01 -0500


This is an interesting web site which has other interesting articles.
They were originally published in weekly parts in the late 1930s in a
series called " Railway Wonders of the World" ( price 7d), edited by
Clarence Winchester, with Cecil J. Allen as Consulting Editor.
Part 13 has " Modern transport in India" which includes a colour plate
of an XC hauling ' the Frontier Mail passing over a viaduct on the
Darah section of the Bombay , Baroda and Central India railway...'
Other photos include the Parsik tunnel, a Nizam's State railway goods
2-8-2, an EBR XB, a Kalka-Simla viaduct, and a train arriving at
Barogh.
Part 47has an article, " A Himalayan Loop Line " with 4 photos of the
DHR.
Cheers,
John Lacey


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I forwarded this from the office, but as the link is through the main
> office server, it showed an error in transmission.
>
> Just check out this url:
>
> <A HREF="http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r019.html">http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r019.html</A>
>
> My profound apologies if the thing had come in earlier after all and
if
> this is a duplication.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Shankar

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Clarif on Train numbering / Up &Down

Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:23:52 -0500


Dear Apurva / Gang,

Superfasts were numbered all over the place. If it was a pre-existing
superfast, no change in numbering - examples were GT (15/16), Frontier
(3/4), ditto for Kalka Mail.

Newer Superfasts (or at least very fast trains) were numbered from 121
onwards. My memory test came up with these :

121/122 - TN
123/124 - AP
125/126 - Kerala
127/128 - Karnataka
131/132 - J.J. exp. (Jayanthi Janata - not a Tamil Nadu Actress turned
leader)
133/134 - Chattisgarh
135/136 - Vaigai
139/140 - Ganga Kaveri
141/142 - Coromandel
143/144 - Utkal, or was it NDLS Puri Exp.
151/152 - BCT Rajdhani
157/158 - Kashi Vishwanath
159/160 - Sarnath

Raymond

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