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From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 10 Aug 1999 00:25:19 -0500


Hi Raymond,
Gone are those Golden days when the Bom - Delhi Raj was double
headed.
These days it runs on the WCAM 2p supllied to WR by BHEL. The
longest
dieselized run I think from Mumbai is now on the Netravati Express from
Bom - Cochin via KR. The Rajdhani Locos change at >Baroda from where
it
runs on a Ghaziabad WAP 5. iF THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE THEN ON A WAP 4.

Wish they reintroduce the double headed WDM 2 RUN on the Mumbai
Rajdhani
Express. Friends sorry not to be a part of discussions on the major
Gaisal disaster, but my blood boils when I see and listen to all the
mismanagement of the Cherished Indian Railways. Have we taken
independence to see Indians running the trains on the wrong tracks ! All
these bastard ministers who resign and give fate accompli should be
whipped in public. I wish someone like Gen Zia ul Haq rules this
country very very soon or else these men with white dresses will ruin
the entire nation.

Mr Nitish Kumar, by resigning has gained publicity for the elections.
Did
he have the guts to resign when elections were not announced and
when
the Khanna accident took place ?

This railways and the country in general are ruled by a Bunch of
autocratic and hypocratic jokers, who only know how to fill their white
shirts,with bundles of notes.

All those who have died in the Gaisal disaster may their soul rest
in
peace. I have a humble opinion which may be accepted by the gang. Why
doesnt start a small fund for the kin of the dead rail passengers. The
capital should not be touched only the interest should be disbursed
after taking a vote on the mail. Appu, SHankar, Harsh, one of you
can look after this.

Harsh I have still not recd the FNRM,magazines latest issue. This is
just for ur info.


PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 10 Aug 1999 00:25:19 -0500


Hi Raymond,
Gone are those Golden days when the Bom - Delhi Raj was double
headed.
These days it runs on the WCAM 2p supllied to WR by BHEL. The
longest
dieselized run I think from Mumbai is now on the Netravati Express from
Bom - Cochin via KR. The Rajdhani Locos change at >Baroda from where
it
runs on a Ghaziabad WAP 5. iF THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE THEN ON A WAP 4.

Wish they reintroduce the double headed WDM 2 RUN on the Mumbai
Rajdhani
Express. Friends sorry not to be a part of discussions on the major
Gaisal disaster, but my blood boils when I see and listen to all the
mismanagement of the Cherished Indian Railways. Have we taken
independence to see Indians running the trains on the wrong tracks ! All
these bastard ministers who resign and give fate accompli should be
whipped in public. I wish someone like Gen Zia ul Haq rules this
country very very soon or else these men with white dresses will ruin
the entire nation.

Mr Nitish Kumar, by resigning has gained publicity for the elections.
Did
he have the guts to resign when elections were not announced and
when
the Khanna accident took place ?

This railways and the country in general are ruled by a Bunch of
autocratic and hypocratic jokers, who only know how to fill their white
shirts,with bundles of notes.

All those who have died in the Gaisal disaster may their soul rest
in
peace. I have a humble opinion which may be accepted by the gang. Why
doesnt start a small fund for the kin of the dead rail passengers. The
capital should not be touched only the interest should be disbursed
after taking a vote on the mail. Appu, SHankar, Harsh, one of you
can look after this.

Harsh I have still not recd the FNRM,magazines latest issue. This is
just for ur info.


PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: emu enigma

Date: 10 Aug 1999 01:08:23 -0500


>
> As you know, most 'fast' locals are fast only upto a point. They stop
at
> all stations after that. e.g. a Virar fast is fast (limited stops)
> only upto Borivli, after Borivli it stops at all stations right upto
> Virar.


Hi All,

On Western Railway a single fast is a train which is fast only till
Bandra
or Andheri. But a Double Fast is the one which is fast till Borivali.
Years back there was a super fast Churchgate local - From Virar it would
run slow till Borivali. Then from Borivali to Bandra and straight to
Marine Lines & Churchgate. It was also known as SONAPUR FAST.

Then there was another Churchgate bound super fast from Borivali. From
Borivali to Jogeshwari it ran on the slow track and then ran nonstop to
Bombay Central.

Regards
Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: emu enigma

Date: 10 Aug 1999 01:08:23 -0500


>
> As you know, most 'fast' locals are fast only upto a point. They stop
at
> all stations after that. e.g. a Virar fast is fast (limited stops)
> only upto Borivli, after Borivli it stops at all stations right upto
> Virar.


Hi All,

On Western Railway a single fast is a train which is fast only till
Bandra
or Andheri. But a Double Fast is the one which is fast till Borivali.
Years back there was a super fast Churchgate local - From Virar it would
run slow till Borivali. Then from Borivali to Bandra and straight to
Marine Lines & Churchgate. It was also known as SONAPUR FAST.

Then there was another Churchgate bound super fast from Borivali. From
Borivali to Jogeshwari it ran on the slow track and then ran nonstop to
Bombay Central.

Regards
Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 10 Aug 1999 01:40:43 -0500




raymond/Polaris@POLARIS.email wrote:

> Dear Vijay,
>
> Does the Mangala also use WDM2's as bankers from Kasara to Igatpuri,
or are
> they WCG2's or something like that ?

Only WCG 2 are used for banking. WDM 2 are not unique for Mangala on the
NE and
SE lines out of Mumbai, most of the freights are diesel powered nowadays
(surprise !). They make a great site through the ghats - 40 BCN load
with 2 WDM
2 or WDG 2s in the front and 3 WCG 2s at the back. The introduction of
WCAG 1
(will confirm the details about this power in a few days) will slowly
phase out
the indestructible WCG 2.

> Actually there must be quite a long
> list of expresses which use diesels while running on electrified
lines,
> most of these would concern AC/DC sections around Mumbai.

Actually there are no passenger loads (with the exception of the Diva -
Vasai
and the Bandra Dahanu push pull, which is diesel hauled in Mumbai.

> Gang, any idea
> which is the longest dieselised run on electrified sections ? Does the
BCT
> - NDLS Rajdhani still run with double WDM2's from BCT to BRC ?

Sadly no, the WCAM 2 handles the Rajdhani and the other trains.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: ERS shed's webpage

Date: 10 Aug 1999 01:40:43 -0500




raymond/Polaris@POLARIS.email wrote:

> Dear Vijay,
>
> Does the Mangala also use WDM2's as bankers from Kasara to Igatpuri,
or are
> they WCG2's or something like that ?

Only WCG 2 are used for banking. WDM 2 are not unique for Mangala on the
NE and
SE lines out of Mumbai, most of the freights are diesel powered nowadays
(surprise !). They make a great site through the ghats - 40 BCN load
with 2 WDM
2 or WDG 2s in the front and 3 WCG 2s at the back. The introduction of
WCAG 1
(will confirm the details about this power in a few days) will slowly
phase out
the indestructible WCG 2.

> Actually there must be quite a long
> list of expresses which use diesels while running on electrified
lines,
> most of these would concern AC/DC sections around Mumbai.

Actually there are no passenger loads (with the exception of the Diva -
Vasai
and the Bandra Dahanu push pull, which is diesel hauled in Mumbai.

> Gang, any idea
> which is the longest dieselised run on electrified sections ? Does the
BCT
> - NDLS Rajdhani still run with double WDM2's from BCT to BRC ?

Sadly no, the WCAM 2 handles the Rajdhani and the other trains.

Apurva

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Window bars(was :Re: Stupid question about IR).

Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:20:55 -0500



Dear Harsh,

I have travelled in a compartment (3 tier) which had one of the bars as
a
sliding one, which can be slid upwards just like the glass shutter or
the
aluminium one. Maybe we should suggest that IR makes all window bars
either
slidable or easily removable in a crash. All this gas cutting to get
into
crushed coaches needs to be eliminated. Any suggestions ?

Harsh, we have been talking for sometime about how IRFCA can contribute
to
improving IR facilities, safety etc. Can we put together concrete steps
in
this direction. I for one am willing to contribute whatever time and
resources I have at my disposal. I am sure most of us on this list (in
India) feel likewise. All of us love IR too much to just sit on the
sidelines and allow all and sundry to rubbish all the good work that IR
employees are doing. I think you need to point us in the right
direction.

Raymond

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: Window bars(was :Re: Stupid question about IR).

Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:20:55 -0500



Dear Harsh,

I have travelled in a compartment (3 tier) which had one of the bars as
a
sliding one, which can be slid upwards just like the glass shutter or
the
aluminium one. Maybe we should suggest that IR makes all window bars
either
slidable or easily removable in a crash. All this gas cutting to get
into
crushed coaches needs to be eliminated. Any suggestions ?

Harsh, we have been talking for sometime about how IRFCA can contribute
to
improving IR facilities, safety etc. Can we put together concrete steps
in
this direction. I for one am willing to contribute whatever time and
resources I have at my disposal. I am sure most of us on this list (in
India) feel likewise. All of us love IR too much to just sit on the
sidelines and allow all and sundry to rubbish all the good work that IR
employees are doing. I think you need to point us in the right
direction.

Raymond

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Update on the DQ derailment

Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:32:38 -0500


Gang !

The Pune press is having a field day over the DQ derailment.
There are lines such as 'what if the loco had derailed on the
valley side ?' and ' the CR need two hours to wake up'.

Actually as the DQ left the Monkey Hill cabin, the Nagnath
cabin was aware of its arrival. So when the DQ did not arrive
at it's expected time the alarm bells will sound within
minutes upto the GM level. With the walkie talkie that all
crew carry, the present predicament of the DQ power must have
been instantly conveyed to the section and the power
controller sitting in CSTM building. There was a sudden
landslide from a location not known for such activities. This
buried 100 meters of track just at the exit of a tunnel. The
front bogie of the WCAM 3 derailed at a slow speed and that's
that. The report about three coaches derailing is not true.
There is also a report that the railways came to know about
this accident only after the passengers walked upto the MHC
cabin.
While it is true that the accident relief train took 2 hours
in coming to the spot, the railwayman I have talked to
mentions this to be 'normal' derailment in the steep ghat and
unstable
section. He dismisses the accident with a view that it is
blown out of proportion by the press.
Once rerailed, the same power worked the DQ rake to Mumbai in
the evening.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Update on the DQ derailment

Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:32:38 -0500


Gang !

The Pune press is having a field day over the DQ derailment.
There are lines such as 'what if the loco had derailed on the
valley side ?' and ' the CR need two hours to wake up'.

Actually as the DQ left the Monkey Hill cabin, the Nagnath
cabin was aware of its arrival. So when the DQ did not arrive
at it's expected time the alarm bells will sound within
minutes upto the GM level. With the walkie talkie that all
crew carry, the present predicament of the DQ power must have
been instantly conveyed to the section and the power
controller sitting in CSTM building. There was a sudden
landslide from a location not known for such activities. This
buried 100 meters of track just at the exit of a tunnel. The
front bogie of the WCAM 3 derailed at a slow speed and that's
that. The report about three coaches derailing is not true.
There is also a report that the railways came to know about
this accident only after the passengers walked upto the MHC
cabin.
While it is true that the accident relief train took 2 hours
in coming to the spot, the railwayman I have talked to
mentions this to be 'normal' derailment in the steep ghat and
unstable
section. He dismisses the accident with a view that it is
blown out of proportion by the press.
Once rerailed, the same power worked the DQ rake to Mumbai in
the evening.

Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Questions about the Ghaisal crash

Date: 10 Aug 1999 06:58:28 -0500


Hi Apurva and the GAng,
With whatever i could infer from the visuals from the News
channels and news report i can give my 2 pennies on this issue.

> 1. What type of signals exist at Ghaisal and the route - colour
lights,
>upper
> quadrant or lower quadrant - what is the type of illumination for
the
>quadrant
> lenses ?
From the TV shots it seemed it was the upper quadrant type

> 3. Were one or both trains standing or were they both moving ?
BP Mail was stationary , AA was on the move

> 4. If they were moving then what was the speed ?
AA was coming at around 80kmph

> 5. Were the four dead bodies of both the loco crew recovered? Has
>anybody speculated
> that the drivers were actually done to death before the crash by
>extremist activity in the region ?
I too am waiting for some sort of news on the bodies of the loco
drivers. Sabotage is not ruled out they say.


> 6. Is there any further information about the accident ? My friend
is
>trying to draw
> some conclusions which would be shared with you soon.
They also say that weather could have played its part. Visibility
was
bad and it was raining when the mishap happened. According to the member
of
the railway board the gangmen would not have bothered to go out in such
inclement weather to check out if things were proper.

Waiting for some sort of conclusions.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Questions about the Ghaisal crash

Date: 10 Aug 1999 06:58:28 -0500


Hi Apurva and the GAng,
With whatever i could infer from the visuals from the News
channels and news report i can give my 2 pennies on this issue.

> 1. What type of signals exist at Ghaisal and the route - colour
lights,
>upper
> quadrant or lower quadrant - what is the type of illumination for
the
>quadrant
> lenses ?
From the TV shots it seemed it was the upper quadrant type

> 3. Were one or both trains standing or were they both moving ?
BP Mail was stationary , AA was on the move

> 4. If they were moving then what was the speed ?
AA was coming at around 80kmph

> 5. Were the four dead bodies of both the loco crew recovered? Has
>anybody speculated
> that the drivers were actually done to death before the crash by
>extremist activity in the region ?
I too am waiting for some sort of news on the bodies of the loco
drivers. Sabotage is not ruled out they say.


> 6. Is there any further information about the accident ? My friend
is
>trying to draw
> some conclusions which would be shared with you soon.
They also say that weather could have played its part. Visibility
was
bad and it was raining when the mishap happened. According to the member
of
the railway board the gangmen would not have bothered to go out in such
inclement weather to check out if things were proper.

Waiting for some sort of conclusions.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Dwarikesh Goswami <>

Subject: Pedals in WCAM1

Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:27:56 -0500


Hi Gang,
        In a WCAM1 loco near the driver's legs I saw two small leg operated pedals just as in a car.The driver seemed to pump the pedals when he started the train from a standstill.Which pedals are these and what do they do?
 
 
Regards
Chinmay Goswami,

From: Dwarikesh Goswami <>

Subject: Pedals in WCAM1

Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:27:56 -0500


Hi Gang,
        In a WCAM1 loco near the driver's legs I saw two small leg operated pedals just as in a car.The driver seemed to pump the pedals when he started the train from a standstill.Which pedals are these and what do they do?
 
 
Regards
Chinmay Goswami,

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Train status on the WR page

Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:55:54 -0500


Gang,

Check out the new section on the WR official page - Train Status

<A HREF="http://www.westernrailwayindia.com/frames.htm">http://www.westernrailwayindia.com/frames.htm</A>

This gives the passing times at various stations for different trains -
sort-of an abstract version of the working time-table. In addition, it
also

indicates whether a train is running late (at the time of status update)
- I am not sure how frequently are these updates being performed.

Vijay

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Train status on the WR page

Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:55:54 -0500


Gang,

Check out the new section on the WR official page - Train Status

<A HREF="http://www.westernrailwayindia.com/frames.htm">http://www.westernrailwayindia.com/frames.htm</A>

This gives the passing times at various stations for different trains -
sort-of an abstract version of the working time-table. In addition, it
also

indicates whether a train is running late (at the time of status update)
- I am not sure how frequently are these updates being performed.

Vijay

From: prakash <>

Subject: Re: emu enigma

Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:07:20 -0500




Shankar,

As I understand it, the term double fast denotes it is running
fast on more than one segement, like Borivali to Bandra, Bandra
to Marine Lines. When I started gpoing to college in early 60s,
it did make sense by saving some time. Now that the lines are
saturated, it may merely save the jobs of time table writers.

Prakash

"S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email on 08/09/99 08:51:38 PM

Please respond to shankie@emirates.email

To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
cc: irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: emu enigma





Hello,
Actually, the Bombay-ites might be able to explain better or correct me.

As you know, most 'fast' locals are fast only upto a point. They stop at
all stations after that. e.g. a Virar fast is fast (limited stops)
only upto Borivli, after Borivli it stops at all stations right upto
Virar.
Similarly, a Karjat fast is fast only upto Kalyan: it becomes slow
(takes all stations) from Kalyan all the way till Karjat.

To the best of my knowledge, a double fast is one which is fast
throughout: it takes limited stops right upto its destination.

Best regards.
Shankar

Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> What is the correct definition of a 'double fast' EMU ?

From: prakash <>

Subject: Re: emu enigma

Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:07:20 -0500




Shankar,

As I understand it, the term double fast denotes it is running
fast on more than one segement, like Borivali to Bandra, Bandra
to Marine Lines. When I started gpoing to college in early 60s,
it did make sense by saving some time. Now that the lines are
saturated, it may merely save the jobs of time table writers.

Prakash

"S.Shankar" <shankie@emirates.email on 08/09/99 08:51:38 PM

Please respond to shankie@emirates.email

To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
cc: irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: emu enigma





Hello,
Actually, the Bombay-ites might be able to explain better or correct me.

As you know, most 'fast' locals are fast only upto a point. They stop at
all stations after that. e.g. a Virar fast is fast (limited stops)
only upto Borivli, after Borivli it stops at all stations right upto
Virar.
Similarly, a Karjat fast is fast only upto Kalyan: it becomes slow
(takes all stations) from Kalyan all the way till Karjat.

To the best of my knowledge, a double fast is one which is fast
throughout: it takes limited stops right upto its destination.

Best regards.
Shankar

Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> What is the correct definition of a 'double fast' EMU ?

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: emu enigma: revised

Date: 10 Aug 1999 11:26:25 -0500


Hello,
My emu enigma webpage is now a little more complete, especially the ac
emu section, thanks to our own dear fellow irfca member Shanku Niyogi,
who has very kindly provided me with pictures of the MEMUs.

Check out the ac emu page with the new additions at:

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/emuenigmaac.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/emuenigmaac.htm</A>

And thank you very much once again, dear Shanku.

Best regards.
Shankar

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: emu enigma: revised

Date: 10 Aug 1999 11:26:25 -0500


Hello,
My emu enigma webpage is now a little more complete, especially the ac
emu section, thanks to our own dear fellow irfca member Shanku Niyogi,
who has very kindly provided me with pictures of the MEMUs.

Check out the ac emu page with the new additions at:

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/emuenigmaac.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/emuenigmaac.htm</A>

And thank you very much once again, dear Shanku.

Best regards.
Shankar

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