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From: John Lacey <>

Subject: news reports

Date: 02 Aug 1999 02:45:31 -0500


Thinking of you as I hear news reports from India.
John Lacey

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: BGM on ERS page

Date: 02 Aug 1999 03:10:37 -0500


Hi Karthik,
I guess i can proudly say that something about me is involved
in
that page(...just kidding about the music) . The background intrumental
on
that page is from the movie 'Anand" and its one of my favourite melodies
too
!!!

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: ICF Article

Date: 02 Aug 1999 03:46:32 -0500


Don Mills wrote:
> Does Frontline has a web page. I am not familiar with that magazine
and
> would love to see if they have the article or parts of the article on
the
> web page.

The magazine is at:
<A HREF="http://www.the-hindu.com/fline/fl1616/fl161600.htm">http://www.the-hindu.com/fline/fl1616/fl161600.htm</A>
but the online edition does not carry the ICF special.

--
JS
--

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Re: More Train Crash Updates

Date: 02 Aug 1999 04:59:59 -0500



Radio news I heard just now put the possible death toll at over 500 and
injuries at over 1000. A railway official (didn't catch the name)
claimed
that it was now thought that it was not a bomb blast by militants as
feared
earlier, but a signals failure leading to a head-on collision.

Seven coaches of the Brahmaputra Mail and six coaches of the Awadh Assam
Exp. were ripped apart! And the loco of the Awadh Assam was hurled
beyond
the next track by the impact of the collision!! (Sadly, this comes just
as
we were talking here about the telescoping properties, and
collision-worthiness of integral coaches and the possibility of using
tightlock couplers, etc. One can only hope that one thing to come out
of
this tragedy might be some more attention focused on these aspects.)

The Awadh Assam was apparently stationary at the platform when the
Brahmaputra collided with it. If this is true, the most basic route
interlocking and signalling mechanisms for the main-line / platform loop
at
the station must have broken down completely. This sounds to me like
either gross and criminal negligence in following basic procedures, or
else
perhaps sabotage of some sort.

--Satish

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Daboo's book -- ordering information

Date: 02 Aug 1999 05:22:03 -0500


Hi, Vijay, here's the information on Daboo's book again:

Write to: The British Overseas Railways Historical Trust
260 Wricklemarsh Road, Blackheath, London, SE3 8DW, UK

The price with overseas air mail was about GBP11.00 when I purchased it.
If you can't send a sterling cheque, send a dollar check made out to
Dr. P. E. Waters for the corresponding amount. Based on the (then)
exchange rate I sent $19, if I recall correctly. I assume that Dr
Waters'
kind offer to change dollars to sterling is still open. Sending a bank
draft may also work.

The book itself is titled "A guide to the diesel and electric
locomotives
of Indian Railways". The author's name is Jal E. Daboo. You probably
don't need the ISBN, but it is 1-901613-02-X.

For those outside the US or UK -- sorry I don't have any instructions on
how to submit payment other than in sterling or dollar. To the best of
my
knowledge they do not accept credit cards. You can try writing to BORHT
for instructions (please post any information you get that may be of
general interest), or perhaps order the book from a general bookseller
(perhaps Iain Fraser can help here, or try Midland Counties (although I
don't recall seeing the book in their most recent catalogue)).

--Satish

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: More Train Crash Updates

Date: 02 Aug 1999 06:37:51 -0500




More than 100 people were killed and over 200
injured in an accident involving the Awadh
Assam Express and Brahmaputra Mail at Gaisal
in North Dinajpur district in West Bengal
early today.

''It is still being ascertained whether it was an
explosion or a collision, but initial reports from
Jalpaiguri and Katihar said a bomb blast
occurred on the tracks of the Gaisal station
when the Awadh Assam was giving way to the
Brahmaputra Mail,'' according to a spokesman
of the North East Frontier Railway in
Guwahati.

Sources said the Guwahati bound Awadh Assam
Express and New Delhi bound Brahmaputra
Mail collided at around 0153 hours when most
passengers were asleep. Though the immediate
cause of the collision is not known, police were
investigating into all aspects, including
sabotage.

"This is not a blast but a collision between the
two express trains. We are looking into all
aspects and do not rule out sabotage at the
moment," a senior state police official told
UNI.

Meanwhile, a Guwahati report, quoting the NF
railway headquartersaid that it could be a
powerful explosion but the possibility of head
on collision was also not ruled out. Senior
officials from New Jalpaiguri and Guwahati
had rushed to the spot.

Initially we got the report from Katihar as well
as New Jalpaiguri that there was a bomb blast
on the track of the Gaisal station when the
Awadh Assam was giving crossing to the
Brahmaputra Mail," an NF railway spokesman
said.

The impact of the explosion was such that it
ripped off the station and according to initial
feedback from Matihar control to the NF
Railway Central Control at Maligaon, mangled
train compartments and severed limbs littered
the area.

Rescue operation was hampered by incessant
rains and darkness. Medical relief trains,
however, reached the spot soon from New
Jalpaiguri. There was no trace of the drivers
of the ill-fated trains and their assistants.

"They must have been the first casualty," the
spokesman added. The chairman of the Railway
Board V K Agarwal and General Manager, NF
Railway, Rajendra Nath would reach the spot
this afternoon. A special train carrying the
senior officials and medical facilities left
Guwahati at 0445 hours.


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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: DIESEL FIESTA: REVISED EDITION

Date: 02 Aug 1999 06:46:46 -0500


Aho Shankar Saheb,

Are you sure about the picture of the WSD 4 backing the Jhelum rake ? It
appears to be PF no 7 (extention of PF 1) at Pune Jn near Jahangir
Hospital. There is NO WAY that a train from/to Daund train can land up
on
PF 1. There just in no point/ switch that would allow that. There used
to
such a point in the 1950s but not anymore. This may be some other rake
(316
passenger from Kolhapur ?) which terminates on PF 7 that is being pushed
back. Also Jhelum rake has always been washed/ cleaned/ stabled/
maintained
at the c&w facilities near the electric loco shed while this rake seems
to
be heading towards the Queens Garden facility (between Wadia bridge and
Blue
diamond bridge). What do you think ?

Apurva

"S.Shankar" wrote:

> HELLO,
>
> As promised, I have the completely revised, expanded and improved
diesel
> fiesta site up and running now, dedicated to Apurva Bahadur, the
diesel
> freak, who has been my friend, philsopher and guide throughout this
> project.
>
> Check out the rejuvenated site at:
>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
>

From: Larry Russell <>

Subject: IR crash

Date: 02 Aug 1999 08:49:09 -0500


What a terrible tradgedy and loss of life. Explosives on passenger
trains are prohibbited in every country that I know. How could this be
allowed to happen. Is there no consience in the IR management or
Government? Is human life so casually treated? I realize that IR has the
greattest density of trains anywhere, an some collisions are to be
expected, but THIS is beyond belief. If as many died as is suggested,
responsibility MUST lie with a govenment too preocupied with war than
with peace.

Larry

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Accident Management Ideas

Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:09:20 -0500


Marcelo Benoit wrote:
>
> >But it must be remembered that all this crumple zones stuff works
only
> >if most of the collision force arrives at the carriage
longitudinally.
> >For that to happen the trains consists needs to stay together, i.e.
> >couplers must hold together. Once the train breaks up and cars pile
up
> >on top of one another, or if parts of a concrete bridge falls on a
> >carriage, these longitudinal crumple zones do not help much, as was
> >amply illustrated in the Eschede ICE derailment in Germany.
>
> As far as I know the Germans don´t use crumple zones in their trains.
The
> new railcars are being built for SNCF and DB. They have some
diferences,
> but the main is that Germans railcars haven´t crumple zones. French
have.
> Later series of TGV trainsets also.

I am assuming that you are merely stating that as a fact and not trying
to imply that the presence of crumple zones would somehow save
passengers' lives even when a chunk of a bridge deck falls on the middle
of a coach, or when the main impact point on the coach is laterally in
the middle and not longitudinally.

Regards,

Jishnu.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: BBC News: 200 killed in India train crash ...

Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:18:59 -0500


This is so sad. Never before has IR witnessed such a high frequency of
accidents with alarmingly
high fatalities. Human/equipment failure seems to the major cause. Is
IR staff being overworked?
Seems to me that a disproportionately large amount of funds is being
spent on gauge conversion
and other projects rather than on more important areas such as track
renewals, equipment/rolling stock
maintenance, etc. Have human lives becomes so cheap? How many more
such accidents need to
happen before the railway ministry gets its act together?!

Vijay


>-----Original Message-----
>From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI [SMTP:smg@godrej.email
>Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:15 AM
>To: Indian Rails
>Subject: BBC News: 200 killed in India train crash ...
>
>
>
>Extract from BBC News services ...
>
> Monday, August 2, 1999 Published at 07:06 GMT 08:06 UK
>
>
> World: South Asia
>
> 250 killed in India train crash
>
>
>
> At least 250 people have been killed and more than
> 1,000 injured in a train crash in eastern Indian.
>
> Reports say the collision happened when an express
> train bound for Delhi hit another train head-on at Gaisan
> station, in the state of West Bengal.
>
>
> Explosions were heard and
> initially a bomb attack was
> suspected, but it now
> appears both trains ended up
> on the same line after a
> signal failure.
>
> Officials say at least one of
> the trains was carrying
> explosives in a military
> compartment which may
> have caused the trains to
> catch fire after the crash.
>
> Rescue teams have so far
> removed 180 bodies from the
> wrecked trains, but more
> bodies have been counted
> inside the carriages.
>
> 500 feared dead
>
> The rescuers have been unable to get to two carriages at
> the bottom of the heap of wreckage, and fear that the
> death toll could eventually exceed 500.
>
> Soldiers with gas cutters are trying to open the two
> carriages.
>
> The collision occurred at 0130 local time (2000 GMT), as
> the Brahmputra Mail train from Gauhati passed through
> the station where the Awadh-Assam Express was
> stationary.
>
>
> The engine of the express
> was blasted into the air by
> the impact of the explosion.
>
> Fourteen carriages and the
> engines of both trains were
> completely smashed.
>
> BBC correspondent Subir Bhaumik says this is easily
> one of India's worst railway accidents and certainly the
> most serious in the east of the country.
>
>Compiled by Shrinivas
>

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: More Train Crash Updates

Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:36:59 -0500


S Pai wrote:
>
> Radio news I heard just now put the possible death toll at over 500
and
> injuries at over 1000. A railway official (didn't catch the name)
claimed
> that it was now thought that it was not a bomb blast by militants as
feared
> earlier, but a signals failure leading to a head-on collision.

The pictures that I have seen so far, strongly suggest that it was a
palin old head on collision - but let me hasten to add that this
speculation is based on limited knowledge acquired from photographs, and
should be treated as such.

> Seven coaches of the Brahmaputra Mail and six coaches of the Awadh
Assam
> Exp. were ripped apart! And the loco of the Awadh Assam was hurled
beyond
> the next track by the impact of the collision!! (Sadly, this comes
just as
> we were talking here about the telescoping properties, and
> collision-worthiness of integral coaches and the possibility of using
> tightlock couplers, etc. One can only hope that one thing to come out
of
> this tragedy might be some more attention focused on these aspects.)

From the photos it appears that the coaches that took the initial impact
longitudinally did not fair too badly. The coaches that landed up at the
bottom of the pile, where the impact forces proceeded to become lateral
and along the entire length of the coach seem to have taken it much
worse, i.e. some of them crumpled laterally. Actually in one of the
Reuters photos, you can clearly see the crumple zone by the end-door and
toilet in action.

> The Awadh Assam was apparently stationary at the platform when the
> Brahmaputra collided with it. If this is true, the most basic route
> interlocking and signalling mechanisms for the main-line / platform
loop at
> the station must have broken down completely. This sounds to me like
> either gross and criminal negligence in following basic procedures, or
else
> perhaps sabotage of some sort.

Is the BG section from Kishanganj to NJP double track now? If so, this
is truly bizarre. If not, then is this a Needham Ball token area, or is
the single line interlocked electronically? A secondary question. if my
recollection serves me right Gaisal is in the area where the BG and the
MG line are next to each other (Barsoi to Alubari Rd if I remember
right). Is that correct? I am of course assuming, perhaps mistakenly,
that the Barsoi - Siliguri MG line is still there.

It is possible that the Gaisal cabin had its interlocking confused. One
of the reports claim that the accident occured near the cabin.
Presumably this would be Gaisal North cabin, i.e. the cabin that would
be in control of the points that were set wrong and the outer and home
signals that would have been green for the Mail to proceed at full speed
into the station - assuming that the Mail drivers did not run more
restricted signals. Too little information available so far and too many
possibilities to make any sense of it. It appears that the alleged
explosive on one of the trains is not a contributing factor so far.

I await the report from the accident enquiry. May the soul of all those
that lost their lives rest in peace, and those that were injured are
comforted and recover speedily.

Jishnu.

From: prakash <>

Subject: The Flying Scotsman Returns After 3 Years

Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:04:13 -0500




The Flying Scotsman Returns After 3 Years

The first steam locomotive to haul a passenger train
nonstop from London to Scotland is back in service
after three years of restoration. From London,
passengers can now take luxury day trips aboard
Pullman-style carriages to various destinations.

The Flying Scotsman, with its distinctive apple-green
livery, was designed by Sir Nigel Gresley and built
in 1923 by the London and North Eastern Railway. It
was selected by the company for the British Empire
Exhibitions in 1924 and 1925 in Wembley, in northwest
London, to represent the latest in steam locomotive
design; it was the first steam locomotive to reach
100 miles an hour, in 1934. After 2 million miles, it
was withdrawn from service in 1963 and sold for
preservation. Since then it has toured the United
States and Australia. By 1995 the engine was in
pieces; it was rescued by Dr. Tony Marchington, a
pharmaceutical engineer from Derby, who bought it in
1996 and restored it.

More than a dozen trips from London are planned this
year to destinations like Salisbury (85 miles
southwest of London), Norwich (115 miles northeast)
and Shakespeare country, through Warwick to
Stratford-upon-Avon (121 miles northwest). A
millennium trip to Scotland will depart in the 20th
century and return in the 21st.

Tours of the cities visited, as well as meals, are
included in the prices. All tours except the
millennium trip -- its price has yet to be announced
-- are $313. Information: (44-1543) 250865, fax (44-
1543) 417531.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: DIESEL FIESTA: REVISED EDITION

Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:31:02 -0500


Hello Appu,
It is the Jhelum rake alright. My brother and I were together, and I
photographed it myself. In fact the board on the first car clearly says
JHELUM EXPRESS in Hindi>> you can see it clearly in the photograph.

But you, you are right, it is Platform 7: the extension of P/f 1.

And the WDS is not backing the rake, it is doing some shunting.

As you know, the Jhelum rake is usually parked in the siding just after
the Alankar cinema bridge. They probably wanted to add a car mid-rake.
The only way is to uncouple the cars after that, haul them onto p/f 7
and then back them again after adding (or uncoupling) the car in
question (as the case may be).

What I have photographed is just that. It was not the whole rake: just
some cars.

Best regards.

Shankar.

(PS: Glad to note your connection is OK now).


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Aho Shankar Saheb,
>
> Are you sure about the picture of the WSD 4 backing the Jhelum rake ?
It
> appears to be PF no 7 (extention of PF 1) at Pune Jn near Jahangir
> Hospital. There is NO WAY that a train from/to Daund train can land
up on
> PF 1. There just in no point/ switch that would allow that. There
used to
> such a point in the 1950s but not anymore. This may be some other rake
(316
> passenger from Kolhapur ?) which terminates on PF 7 that is being
pushed
> back. Also Jhelum rake has always been washed/ cleaned/ stabled/
maintained
> at the c&w facilities near the electric loco shed while this rake
seems to
> be heading towards the Queens Garden facility (between Wadia bridge
and Blue
> diamond bridge). What do you think ?
>
> Apurva
>
> "S.Shankar" wrote:
>
> > HELLO,
> >
> > As promised, I have the completely revised, expanded and improved
diesel
> > fiesta site up and running now, dedicated to Apurva Bahadur, the
diesel
> > freak, who has been my friend, philsopher and guide throughout this
> > project.
> >
> > Check out the rejuvenated site at:
> >
> > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
> >

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: DIESEL FIESTA: REVISED EDITION

Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:35:54 -0500


Hello Appu,
Further to my earlier message clarifying the Jhelum message, yes, I know
the rake is usually parked near the electric shed.
But it used to be parked near Wadia college earlier: the fact why they
moved the rake to the electric shed end is that the jawans used to
descend on the empty rake from the Koregaon bridge HOURS before
departure time, and by the time the empty rake was brought into the
platform prior to departure, it used to be PACKED!

The pic was shot in 1992. They do keep shifting stabling locations esp
for this train, that has been my observation.
It is most certainly the Jhelum, the board on the first car says so.
Best regards.
Shankar

Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Aho Shankar Saheb,
>
> Are you sure about the picture of the WSD 4 backing the Jhelum rake ?
It
> appears to be PF no 7 (extention of PF 1) at Pune Jn near Jahangir
> Hospital. There is NO WAY that a train from/to Daund train can land
up on
> PF 1. There just in no point/ switch that would allow that. There
used to
> such a point in the 1950s but not anymore. This may be some other rake
(316
> passenger from Kolhapur ?) which terminates on PF 7 that is being
pushed
> back. Also Jhelum rake has always been washed/ cleaned/ stabled/
maintained
> at the c&w facilities near the electric loco shed while this rake
seems to
> be heading towards the Queens Garden facility (between Wadia bridge
and Blue
> diamond bridge). What do you think ?
>
> Apurva
>
> "S.Shankar" wrote:
>
> > HELLO,
> >
> > As promised, I have the completely revised, expanded and improved
diesel
> > fiesta site up and running now, dedicated to Apurva Bahadur, the
diesel
> > freak, who has been my friend, philsopher and guide throughout this
> > project.
> >
> > Check out the rejuvenated site at:
> >
> > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm">http://members.tripod.com/shankaronline/dslfiesta.htm</A>
> >

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: More on Mishap

Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:50:34 -0500


In one of the worst rail accidents in the country, at least 250
passengers
were killed and more than 400 injured when the Awadh-Assam Express and
Brahmaputra Mail collided at Gaisal station in West Bengal's north
Dinajpur
district early today.
Official sources here and in Patna said the toll could cross 400.

Chief Minister Jyoti Basu said so far 156 bodies had been extricated.
''This
is one of the worst train accidents and the death toll is likely to be
much
more,'' Basu told reporters here.

Home (police) Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee said the toll would be
much
higher as four coaches of the two trains had rammed into each other
leaving
little chance of survival.

A report from Bihar's Kishanganj, which is close to the accident site,
said
rescue operators had so far extricated more than 200 bodies. But no
official
confirmation was immediately available.

Official sources here said 11 boggies and two engines of the New
Delhi-bound
Brahmaputra Mail and Guwahati-bound Awadh Assam Express were badly
damaged
under the impact of the collision. The sources said the accident
ccourred at
around 0153hrs when the passengers were sleeping.

Senior North-east Frontier Railway and district officials have rushed to
the
site to supervise relief and rescue operations. A medical relief train
with
a team of doctors and para medicos had also reached the site.

Inspector General of Railway Police Ashish Ranjan Sinha said the
accident
might have been caused by the negligence of the cabinmen and the point
man.
The injured passengers have been admitted to Jalpaiguri and Siliguri
railway
hospitals.

A Kishanaganj report quoting witnesses said local people, who woke up to
the
thunderous sound of the collision, rushed to the site and began rescuing

people before officials and police could reach there.

source www.satyamonline.com



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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Heights of overcrowding...

Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:58:22 -0500


Hello,
THe pic is shocking in itself. But is this a regular scenario?
Yes, I know trains in India are grossly overcrowded, but this much?
Seems to be a pic during festival-time (Kumbh Mela?)
The locally published English daily Khaleej Times carries such pics
quite frequently of Bangladesh Railway, usually due to a road
transporters strike or some such thing.
Best regards.
Shankar




Anand Krishnan wrote:
>
> Please visit
>
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409880.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409880.s</A>
tm
> and see the picture on Indian railways being overcrowded and overused.
Its
> high time that idlers in Rail Bhavan woke up from their slumber.
>
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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: More Train Crash Updates

Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:06:42 -0500


Hello,
A catastrophe, a tragedy, a cataclysmic, apoclyptic, monumental
calamity.
It happens only in India.
The Brahmaputra is a superfast, to the best of my knowledge.
This must the the worst mishap on the IR since the inception of railways
in India: I have never heard of the toll going more than 250 odd.
How is it possible to have laxity in safety procedures on a route that
runs superfasts? Head on collision?
And when the railways makes so much propoganda and fixes signs all over
the place prohibiting carriage of explosives in carriages, how could
they possibly allow carriage of explosives?
We should hang our heads in shame.
My heart goes out to the next of kin of these dead, and to those
injured.
May the departed souls rest in peace.
Shankar




S Pai wrote:
>
> Radio news I heard just now put the possible death toll at over 500
and
> injuries at over 1000. A railway official (didn't catch the name)
claimed
> that it was now thought that it was not a bomb blast by militants as
feared
> earlier, but a signals failure leading to a head-on collision.
>
> Seven coaches of the Brahmaputra Mail and six coaches of the Awadh
Assam
> Exp. were ripped apart! And the loco of the Awadh Assam was hurled
beyond
> the next track by the impact of the collision!! (Sadly, this comes
just as
> we were talking here about the telescoping properties, and
> collision-worthiness of integral coaches and the possibility of using
> tightlock couplers, etc. One can only hope that one thing to come out
of
> this tragedy might be some more attention focused on these aspects.)
>
> The Awadh Assam was apparently stationary at the platform when the
> Brahmaputra collided with it. If this is true, the most basic route
> interlocking and signalling mechanisms for the main-line / platform
loop at
> the station must have broken down completely. This sounds to me like
> either gross and criminal negligence in following basic procedures, or
else
> perhaps sabotage of some sort.
>
> --Satish

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Heights of overcrowding...

Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:14:24 -0500


Please visit
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409880.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_409000/409880.s</A>
tm
and see the picture on Indian railways being overcrowded and overused.
Its
high time that idlers in Rail Bhavan woke up from their slumber.


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From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: my homepage is ready

Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:23:58 -0500


Hello Samit,
Quite an interesting page, rich with graphics and all.
Welcome aboard, once again.

Your train photos are pretty interesting, if a bit small.
The passenger train working tender-first at Ajmer looks a bit like a
Garratt at the first glance.

Best regards.

Shankar.

PS: The last personal homepage I'd seen with this much detail is of
Sundar Krishnamurtrhy.
Gosh, where is how now, any idea? TO create a IRIZ and things like that
and then to vanish without a trace!



Samit Roychoudhury wrote:
>
> dear IRFCA members
>
> just updated my webpage and its ready to be seen. i would very much
like you
> all to have a look at it at
> <A HREF="http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy">http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy</A>
>
> this page has information all about me as well as trains... so you'll
have
> to spend some time to sift over it.
>
> its a bit heavy on the graphics side and there are no thumbnails, but
the
> images have been sized well. i have done the entire site myself. be
sure to
> fill in the guestbook please.
>
> the railway sections have some photographs as well as a kind of a
> chronological history of the indian railways i had done.
>
> in case any of your would like to have your (or any other) railway
pages
> linked to mine please do send me the URL.
>
> once again my homepage is at
> <A HREF="http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy">http://home.talkcity.com/BelovedBlvd/cool-solos-guy</A>
>
> thank you
>
> samit
>
> 2327 hrs IST 01 Aug 1999

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: New Web Page

Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:32:33 -0500


Hello Crig,
Quite interesting.
I could not understand pic 1 though. Looks like a diesel with the long
hood leading, but I cannot see any driver's cab. Is it one of those
helper units?
Which brings me to another point: do US engines ever run with the long
hood leading? I know someone had posted a few pics of them, but they are
about the only ones I have seen so far.
In India, you can almost assume it is 50-50: if the train runs from A to
B with its short hood leading, you can safely assume it will return with
the long hood leading, except in rare occasions when the engine is
turned.
Best regards.
Shankar




C.L.Zeni wrote:
>
> As long as everybody is announcing new web pages, I thought I'd put in
a
> word for mine. I regret that it's not got Indian photos; however it
> does have roof views of a number of US diesels. See the page at
>
> <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/rm/roofermadness.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/rm/roofermadness.html</A>
> --
> Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com
> <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html">http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html</A>
>
> The Sixties ain't over till the Fat Lady gets high. - J. Garcia

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