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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Info. from the online timtable

Date: 15 Jul 1999 09:59:09 -0500


I'll find out if Igatpuri is no longer a loco changing point for all the
trains on the
NE line. It make a lot of sense though. But I guess that 10 - 15 WCAM 3
powers will
be locked in the IGT - BSL section at any given time.

Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Apurva Bahadur [SMTP:iti@vsnl.email
> >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:46 PM
> >To: Vijay Balasubramanian
> >Cc: 'irfca@cs.email
> >Subject: Re: Info. from the online timtable
> >
> >
> >
> >Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> Looked at some of the new trains and schedule changes from the
online
> >> timetable at the IR official site. Assuming that this is authentic
> >> info.,
> >> some observations -
> >>
> >> 1. Mumbai-Bhusaval trains now halt at Igatpuri for 5 mts. but the
times
> >> at Nasik Rd. and beyond remain unchanged. Does this mean
that
> >> WCAM3s are now being used on all trains between CSTM/CLAT
> >> and Bhusaval?
> >
> >The 'pure' DC powers are dissapearing fast. I doubt if the WCM 1s and
2s will
> >even see
> >the turn of the century. Apart from maybe preserving one in the NRM,
I think
> >we will
> >never see a more stylish locomotive series on the IR. So the duty is
handled
> >today by
> >WCAM 3s (there are over 60 of them in the Mumbai division). As this
train
> >terminates
> >closeby at BSL, a new WAM 4 is not justified. The mail/ express
powers get
> >new locos
> >at Igatpuri though. Or do you see a change of timings in these as
well ?
> >
> >
> By Mumbai-Bhusaval trains, I meant ALL trains running on the
> Kalyan-Bhusaval section,
> including those that go beyond Bhusaval - sorry for the confusion.
Many
> of these seem
> to halt at Igatpuri for only 5 mts. leading me to believe that WCAM3s
> are being used.
>
> VIjay

From: Dr. K.J. Walker <>

Subject: Re: AWE (was Re: GM vs Alco)

Date: 16 Jul 1999 03:14:52 -0500


Dear Harsh,
as these are not spinach (or mustard), maybe I can get it right
this
time.
As I think everyone knows, the USA supplied large numbers of
locomotives
to all countries during WWII (and to a lesser extent during WWI). These
were, as far as possible, to standard designs, which meant that they
could
be supplied, with minor changes of gauge, brake equipment, and other
details, to many different countries.
India had several such classes. The initial move seems to have been
to
classify the BG ones "WD". Then a prefix -- A for USA, for locos of
Baldwin
or Alco build, and C for Canada, for those from Montreal Locomotive
works --
was added. Then came the S160 2-8-0s, which, in an obvious fudge, were
christened AWC. The metre gauge Macarthurs were classed MAWD -- again
very
obvious -- and in recent years, as we all know, this got shortened to
WD.
The S160 2-8-0 was a simple, rugged, bar-framed 2-8-0. They were
produced in very large numbers for Europe, and some also ran in Britain.
India's were the AWC class, and appear to have been bog-standard, except
for
the track gauge.
I'm not clear whether the AWD/CWD and AWE 2-8-2 designs were the
same
as the USATC "Middle East" 2-8-2, supplied in very large number to SG
lines
in --- the Middle East! Hughes offer no guidance on this. I think they
were
different, having seen all of the types.
The Macarthur 2-8-2 was probably the most famous wartime design.
It
was produced specifically for MG and 3ft 6in gauge lines. It ran in
India,
Burma, Malaya and Thailand to my certain knowledge, as well as
Queensland
(we have one in preservation). They were called AC16s in Queensland, in
a
direct parallel with the XE/AWE thing, as a local C16 class of
equivalent
power already existed. In Thailand they were generally called
Mukkertoors,
after a certain general.
The other really famous "war" engine was the 4-8-2+2-8-4 Light
Garratt
produced by Beyer-Peacock for Assam, Burma, and Malaya. It was supplied
after the war, in modified forms, to Queensland, South Australia, and
East
Africa (now Kenya). It has been called "the best light Garratt ever
made".
Although it had a light axleload, it was in fact a big and very
impressive
machine, very exciting to see in action.
There is a book by R. Tourret on wartime locos, but I don't have a
copy, or the full reference. Apologies.
On another matter, while I agree with whoever it was that the
WDM2
has turned out to be an amazing workhorse, I think that three other
designs
deserve consideration on durability, reliability and style grounds.
These
are the WG, the BESA 2-8-0 (far ahead of British practice at the time,
and a
really rugged workhorse) and the MG F class 0-6-0, surely the best known
and
most widely distributed of the early MG classes. Some even went to the
Kenya-Uganda railway. In a sense, this is not competition: each design
belongs to its own period, and was a great workhorse in its time.
Happy debating, all
Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: hvc <champa@del3.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: 15 July 1999 7:02
Subject: AWE (was Re: GM vs Alco)


>AWE is the American built equivalent of the IRS class XEs. Iam not
aware if
>AWE has and expanded form. AWD were often called as `American War
>Department' locos but basically they too were the Yankee XDs. Canadian
>examples were called CWD.
>
>Harsh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: S Pai <s_pai@bigfoot.email
>To: Indian Railways List <irfca@cs.email
>Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:11 PM
>Subject: Re: GM vs Alco
>
>
>>
>>Jayant,
>>
>>> Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of all the steam
>>> builders who supplied to the Subcontinent ?
>>
>>Your best bet is Hugh Hughes' books. There are other compilations but
>>Hughes' books are probably the most accessible. I'm not aware of
anything
>>that is accessible online.
>>
>>> (Small query here: Did Alco steam ever run in India ?
>>> In the form of any AWE or WD wartime locos ?
>>
>>Yes, several of the metre-gauge WD class locos supplied by the US Army
>>Transportation Corps just before and after Independence were made by
>>Alcos.
>>
>>I'm not sure what "AWE" stands for -- could you please clarify? Is it
a
>>class of loco or a maker's abbreviation?
>>
>>--Satish
>>
>>
>>
>
>

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: Info. from the online timtable

Date: 16 Jul 1999 05:25:33 -0500


>> 6. Besides TAAG, are any other zonal TTs out yet? I am eager to
find
>> out the complete
>> schedule of the Kurla-Patna superfast exp.
>
>Not yet, I would soon go to Pune Jn. and find out.
>


The NR, CR, WR are out. Got them all in the last two weeks.

Harsh

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Kurla-Patna....

Date: 16 Jul 1999 19:18:01 -0500



Hi!

Dear Vijay,

On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Vijay Balasubramanian wrote:

> 6. Besides TAAG, are any other zonal TTs out yet? I am eager to
find
> out the complete schedule of the Kurla-Patna superfast exp.

I have a latest CR. TT with me, it has this schedule , which reads as
follows:

Lokmanya Tilak Terminus(Kurla) - Patna Train no. 3202 Daily
2A,SL,IInd

Dept. time 21:10 via Khandwa, Itarsi, Jabalpur & Allahabad

Itarsi Dept. next day 11:55
Jabalpur Dept. 16:00
Allahabad Dept. 23:50
Patna Arr. 8:45 2 days later

Bye

Shrinivas

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Accident..

Date: 16 Jul 1999 19:27:09 -0500




Another accident, rather collision took place near Mathura . New Delhi
bound
GT Express from Chennai no.2615 collided with a derailed goods train on

the neighbouring line in the early hours (02:10) of Friday. More than
20
passengers killed as about 10 coachs of the GT derailed after the
impact.
The photograph in Asian Age shows mountain like , heap of GT coaches
above
the derailed goods wagons.

This has striking similarity with a earlier accident in Punjab during
the
later part of 1998.

Report excerpts from Asian Age, Mumbai - 17th July 1999

Shrinivas

From: S.B.Mehta <>

Subject: WCAG1 at Mumbai (?)

Date: 16 Jul 1999 20:33:31 -0500


Hi, all,

saw a WCAG1 hauling a container rake at Ghatkopar stn. yesterday
afternoon. Livery is blue cabs and cream in-between and looks
exactly like a WCAM2/3 only maybe a bit bigger. The loco appeared
brand new. Any details?

Sarosh

PS: It was going at a fair pace and I was stunned by the sight so
could not remember the sr.number. Another detail I remember, the
guard in the caboose had a walkie-talkie in hand and busily engaged
in conversation. The train was moving out of Mumbai.

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: AWE (was Re: GM vs Alco)

Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:15:12 -0500


I love to go through your postings, with or without spinach/mustard, and
so
do all others I think so keep them rolling please.

The last piece was very interesting and informative. What I would still
like
to know is what `C' and `E' stand for viz AWC/AWE if anything at all.

AWC a 2-8-0 was obviously no equivalent for XC, a 4-6-2 but AWE has some
striking resemblence to XE/ XE-1 and similarly XD to AWD/CWD.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. K.J. Walker <kjw_meh@powerup.email
To: hvc <hvc@vsnl.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: AWE (was Re: GM vs Alco)


>Dear Harsh,
> as these are not spinach (or mustard), maybe I can get it right
this
>time.
> As I think everyone knows, the USA supplied large numbers of
locomotives
>to all countries during WWII (and to a lesser extent during WWI). These
>were, as far as possible, to standard designs, which meant that they
could
>be supplied, with minor changes of gauge, brake equipment, and other
>details, to many different countries.
> India had several such classes. The initial move seems to have been
to
>classify the BG ones "WD". Then a prefix -- A for USA, for locos of
Baldwin
>or Alco build, and C for Canada, for those from Montreal Locomotive
works --
>was added. Then came the S160 2-8-0s, which, in an obvious fudge, were
>christened AWC. The metre gauge Macarthurs were classed MAWD -- again
very
>obvious -- and in recent years, as we all know, this got shortened to
WD.
> The S160 2-8-0 was a simple, rugged, bar-framed 2-8-0. They were
>produced in very large numbers for Europe, and some also ran in
Britain.
>India's were the AWC class, and appear to have been bog-standard,
except
for
>the track gauge.
> I'm not clear whether the AWD/CWD and AWE 2-8-2 designs were the
same
>as the USATC "Middle East" 2-8-2, supplied in very large number to SG
lines
>in --- the Middle East! Hughes offer no guidance on this. I think they
were
>different, having seen all of the types.
> The Macarthur 2-8-2 was probably the most famous wartime design.
It
>was produced specifically for MG and 3ft 6in gauge lines. It ran in
India,
>Burma, Malaya and Thailand to my certain knowledge, as well as
Queensland
>(we have one in preservation). They were called AC16s in Queensland, in
a
>direct parallel with the XE/AWE thing, as a local C16 class of
equivalent
>power already existed. In Thailand they were generally called
Mukkertoors,
>after a certain general.
> The other really famous "war" engine was the 4-8-2+2-8-4 Light
Garratt
>produced by Beyer-Peacock for Assam, Burma, and Malaya. It was supplied
>after the war, in modified forms, to Queensland, South Australia, and
East
>Africa (now Kenya). It has been called "the best light Garratt ever
made".
>Although it had a light axleload, it was in fact a big and very
impressive
>machine, very exciting to see in action.
> There is a book by R. Tourret on wartime locos, but I don't have
a
>copy, or the full reference. Apologies.
> On another matter, while I agree with whoever it was that the
WDM2
>has turned out to be an amazing workhorse, I think that three other
designs
>deserve consideration on durability, reliability and style grounds.
These
>are the WG, the BESA 2-8-0 (far ahead of British practice at the time,
and
a
>really rugged workhorse) and the MG F class 0-6-0, surely the best
known
and
>most widely distributed of the early MG classes. Some even went to the
>Kenya-Uganda railway. In a sense, this is not competition: each design
>belongs to its own period, and was a great workhorse in its time.
> Happy debating, all
> Ken Walker
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hvc <champa@del3.email
>To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
>Date: 15 July 1999 7:02
>Subject: AWE (was Re: GM vs Alco)
>
>
>>AWE is the American built equivalent of the IRS class XEs. Iam not
aware
if
>>AWE has and expanded form. AWD were often called as `American War
>>Department' locos but basically they too were the Yankee XDs. Canadian
>>examples were called CWD.
>>
>>Harsh
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: S Pai <s_pai@bigfoot.email
>>To: Indian Railways List <irfca@cs.email
>>Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: GM vs Alco
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jayant,
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of all the steam
>>>> builders who supplied to the Subcontinent ?
>>>
>>>Your best bet is Hugh Hughes' books. There are other compilations but
>>>Hughes' books are probably the most accessible. I'm not aware of
anything
>>>that is accessible online.
>>>
>>>> (Small query here: Did Alco steam ever run in India ?
>>>> In the form of any AWE or WD wartime locos ?
>>>
>>>Yes, several of the metre-gauge WD class locos supplied by the US
Army
>>>Transportation Corps just before and after Independence were made by
>>>Alcos.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what "AWE" stands for -- could you please clarify? Is
it a
>>>class of loco or a maker's abbreviation?
>>>
>>>--Satish
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:35:31 -0500


In a message dated 7/16/99 7:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
smg@godrej.email
writes:

<< This has striking similarity with an earlier accident in Punjab
during the
later part of 1998. >>
Very much so. What was the time interval between the first and the
second
accident? Obvious question is whether such accidents are preventable,
particularly the second of such accident pairs?

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:47:17 -0500


In a message dated 7/16/99 9:40:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Vdate@aol.email
writes:

<< Obvious question is whether such accidents are preventable,
particularly the second of such accident pairs? >>
Soon after I wrote the above I read an article in The Hindu of July 17,
1999.
Apparently causes had been identified and recommendations made but not
implemented. These included better communications between drivers,
guards
and the station masters and better PM of rails and rolling stocks.

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:37:58 -0500


The driver and guard are supposed to carry colour rocket flares for
warning
but more often than not, these are missing from the kit. Also I suppose
it
requires tremendous presense of mind after a shocking rattling accident
to
act and avoid another one by taking preventive action. What is required
are
specialised disaster management courses for the crews where such
situations
can be simulated to have the feel of the real life situation.
The same line collision of Kalindi express which was rammed in the rear
by a
speeding Puroshottam express five years back killing 250+ could have
been
avoided if the guard had the supply of flares and had taken action
within
next five minutes. Kalindi Exp. had got stuck after crossing Firozabad
after
hitting a Neelgai and having its brake hoses damaged in the process.

On peak hours, the gap between two trains moving on the same line on
dense
routes such as Delhi-Mathura, Delhi-Kanpur, Howrah-Kharagpur,
Howrah-Gomoh,
Bombay-Baroda, Madras-Vijaywada, Madras-Arkkonam routes is a bare 8-10
minutes.

The cause of the accident is no doubt the virtually unmaintained goods
rakes
which are thrashed on these dense routes at 75-90 Kmph(which they are
hardly
capable of given the kind of sounds they make) to make way for the
passengers trains. In this accident the axle of one of the goods wagon
broke resulting in derailment.

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Vdate@aol.email <Vdate@aol.email
To: smg@godrej.email <smg@godrej.email irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Accident..


>In a message dated 7/16/99 7:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
smg@godrej.email
>writes:
>
><< This has striking similarity with an earlier accident in Punjab
during
the
> later part of 1998. >>
>Very much so. What was the time interval between the first and the
second
>accident? Obvious question is whether such accidents are preventable,
>particularly the second of such accident pairs?
>

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:45:04 -0500



To make matters worse there was a derailment on Delhi-Kanpur route
as well, blocking traffic in both directions for the whole day.
It made it impossible for CR trains to be routed Agra-Tundla-Delhi,
or Jhansi-Kanpur-Delhi, and they had to be rerouted on much
longer routes like Bhopal-Nagda and Bina-Kota, and then WR route.

-dheeraj
--------------
Dr. Dheeraj Sanghi (0512) 59-7077/7638
(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
Home Page: <A HREF="http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj">http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj</A>

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Membership

Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:54:39 -0500


Royston Ellis wrote:
> Thrilled to see a message from Samit Roychoudhury as a new member of
the
> group.

If this is the same Samit I knew at NID, Ahmedabad:
Good to see you here again !

--
JS
--

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 17 Jul 1999 00:41:07 -0500


This sort of side collision is what majority of serious accidents on the
IR look
like. The Khanna accident was similar. The freight rake was called
Bellary1 and
was carrying wheat (why Bellary 1 ? there is no wheat nearby that
place!).
Predictably the derailed rake was of CRT type (unstable and prone to
derailment
as per drivers) and the reason for derailment has been quoted as axle
bearing
failure causing the bogies to jump the rails. The GT driver (who is
injured in
the mishap) did mention seeing derailed bogie trucks seconds before the
side
collision. Both teh Khanna accident and this one were on trunk lines
where the
track maintenance can be upto a standard. An automatic derailement
detector
(part of a FRED ?) which transmits a radio warning to all trains within
a radius
is a near foolproof answer to such accidents. But then such a device
would have
not averted the GT accident. The CRT derailed seconds before the GT
rammed into
it. Maybe an automatic hotbox detector (are there any on the IR ?) along
with the
FRED device is what we need. One problem about easy implementation of a
FRED
device is the lack of electrical power in a freight caboose.

Apurva

"SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI" wrote:

> Another accident, rather collision took place near Mathura . New
Delhi bound
> GT Express from Chennai no.2615 collided with a derailed goods train
on
> the neighbouring line in the early hours (02:10) of Friday.

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: for jayant

Date: 17 Jul 1999 01:42:31 -0500


>If this is the same Samit I knew at NID, Ahmedabad:
>Good to see you here again !


dear jayant!

of course its me... who else could it be eh? thanks anyway and hope to
hear
from you soon

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: Membership

Date: 17 Jul 1999 01:56:26 -0500


dear shanku!

thank you very very much for your warm welcome.

i did go to the website where you put the photos and i saw the wap-6
(???)
for the first time. is this the new swedish locos, which are also being
manufactured by clw?

as for the book, mr ellis deserves all the credit, so dont thank me for
it
:-)

i would be happy to assist anyway about posting photos/info on the
eastern
region, but i dont get much info really. plus i may not seem very good
at it
because i am primarily very very lazy. but do let me know how to go
about it
and i will see what i can do.

i used to keep in touch with the railways but i have fallen behind a
bit.
i'd love to catch up again.

why dont we have a homepage somewhere with member's contributions?

samit

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: More on travel

Date: 17 Jul 1999 02:06:57 -0500


just a small note to add to the current discussion on the dangers of
rail
travel.

the eastern region is probably the worse as far as safety is concerned.
bihar needs no introduction. some time back, when the rajdhani stopped
at
patna or somewhere, some political bigwig (well he thought he was a
bigwig)
got in and asked a passenger to vacate his seat saying it was a vip
quota
seat. the passenger refused (he was an ias officer) but the politician
with
his henchman dragged him out and beat him up in the station, in front of
his
family, with threats of dire consequences. if this can happen to a govt
officer in the rajdhani you can quite imagine the other trains.

bengal isnt much better. lately dacoity has been on the rise, especially
on
the outskirts of calcutta. the cops are supposed to be hand in hand with
the
thugs naturally. the south suburban section from sealdah (calcutta) is
notorious as only about 30% of the passengers buy tickets and the TTEs
are
too scared to check (they have been known to have been thrown out of
running
trains). even the inhabitants of the ladies compartments are part of
this.

calcutta's howrah station has its share of woes. we have blue coolies
now,
part of the unorganised (rather illegal) bunch of people who decided to
defy
the railways and have their own guys. they usually cause more hindrances
(including terrorising passengers) than help.

i hope things improve soon.

samit

From: Joydeep Dutta <>

Subject: Re: Accident..

Date: 17 Jul 1999 04:15:56 -0500


Harsh
I cannot really understand why IR is running CRT wagons on high density
routes. They are OK for single lines. During 93-94 when I was in Madras
there were a series of CRT rake derailments in quick sucession. The
rigid
wheel base and poor maintenace increases the lateral hunting by many
folds
so that leads to derailment. The goods rake which was rammed by GT was a
CRT
wagon rake.
Infact after that SR has reduced the runnung of CRT rakes

joydeep



>From: "hvc" <champa@del3.email
>Reply-To: "hvc" <hvc@vsnl.email
>To: <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: Accident..
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:07:58 +0530
>
>The driver and guard are supposed to carry colour rocket flares for
warning
>but more often than not, these are missing from the kit. Also I suppose
it
>requires tremendous presense of mind after a shocking rattling accident
to
>act and avoid another one by taking preventive action. What is required
are
>specialised disaster management courses for the crews where such
situations
>can be simulated to have the feel of the real life situation.
>The same line collision of Kalindi express which was rammed in the rear
by
>a
>speeding Puroshottam express five years back killing 250+ could have
been
>avoided if the guard had the supply of flares and had taken action
within
>next five minutes. Kalindi Exp. had got stuck after crossing Firozabad
>after
>hitting a Neelgai and having its brake hoses damaged in the process.
>
>On peak hours, the gap between two trains moving on the same line on
dense
>routes such as Delhi-Mathura, Delhi-Kanpur, Howrah-Kharagpur,
Howrah-Gomoh,
>Bombay-Baroda, Madras-Vijaywada, Madras-Arkkonam routes is a bare 8-10
>minutes.
>
>The cause of the accident is no doubt the virtually unmaintained goods
>rakes
>which are thrashed on these dense routes at 75-90 Kmph(which they are
>hardly
>capable of given the kind of sounds they make) to make way for the
>passengers trains. In this accident the axle of one of the goods wagon
>broke resulting in derailment.
>
>Harsh
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vdate@aol.email <Vdate@aol.email
>To: smg@godrej.email <smg@godrej.email irfca@cs.email
<irfca@cs.email
>Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 8:37 PM
>Subject: Re: Accident..
>
>
> >In a message dated 7/16/99 7:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>smg@godrej.email
> >writes:
> >
> ><< This has striking similarity with an earlier accident in Punjab
during
>the
> > later part of 1998. >>
> >Very much so. What was the time interval between the first and the
>second
> >accident? Obvious question is whether such accidents are
preventable,
> >particularly the second of such accident pairs?
> >
>
>


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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: for Apurva

Date: 17 Jul 1999 04:28:21 -0500


hi Apurva!

thanks for the warm welcome.

I am from Calcutta, so i guess you have a member from one of the weak
links
in the chain.

Yes i can quite imagine most of the members would be from western India.

I have been fascinated with trains ever since I was a child, but i think
of
late I have let this kindof waver off. At one point I used to writeto
museums abroad asking them for any thing they could send me. As I
explained
in an earlier communication, it is mainly due to sheer laziness.

Otherwise i am a trained furniture designer from National Institute of
Design, Ahmedabad, though i am not working on that as far as a career is
concerned. I am more interested in graphic design and i do jobs as and
when
i get them.

I am also working in a computer manufacturing unit.

My contact details are as follows:

Samit Roychoudhury
Balaka 9A
68B Ballygunge Circular Road
Calcutta 700 019
India

Phone +91 (33) 280 6988
email samr@vsnl.email

looking forward to being part of IRFCA.

samit

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: suggestion

Date: 17 Jul 1999 04:31:08 -0500


i have a suggestion...

why dont we come out with a members directory, with details on each of
us so
we get to know each oter a bit better.

maybe we can work out a small format, and do an alphabetical listing,
and
the first person puts his details and forwards to the second, the second
adds his and forwards to the third and so on till it gets to the last
person
who forwards it to the list so everyone gets it.

i wonder if it will be a breach of privacy. maybe we can even have the
information on a website, where we can also have the more durable news
from
here.

samit

From: Joydeep Dutta <>

Subject: Re: suggestion

Date: 17 Jul 1999 09:59:15 -0500


Dear Samit
As a member from the eastern part of the country I would like to welcome

you.
I am from NewJalpaiguri
.........land of DH railway and the Darjeeling Mail

Joydeep



>From: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
>Reply-To: "Samit Roychoudhury" <samr@vsnl.email
>To: "IRFCA" <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: suggestion
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:01:08 +0530
>
>i have a suggestion...
>
>why dont we come out with a members directory, with details on each of
us
>so
>we get to know each oter a bit better.
>
>maybe we can work out a small format, and do an alphabetical listing,
and
>the first person puts his details and forwards to the second, the
second
>adds his and forwards to the third and so on till it gets to the last
>person
>who forwards it to the list so everyone gets it.
>
>i wonder if it will be a breach of privacy. maybe we can even have the
>information on a website, where we can also have the more durable news
from
>here.
>
>samit
>


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