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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Whoops !!!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 05:59:41 -0500


Welcome to the 'Footplaters', the smallest and the most dedicated sub
culture of
railfans.
Anand is learning fast. Good for you to loose your (footplating)
virginity. I
hope you realize that the footplater actually lives only to get back to
the cab
for the next ride.

Apurva

Anand Krishnan wrote:

> Hi all,
> Back after a week's vacation. Surprised to see my my mail boxes
> flooded with mails from the list on a variety of topics. Great
going!!. Had
> some wonderful rail experiences over the last 4-5 days. Will surely
put them
> down as a travelogue. Shunted for 2 hours at Shimoga, my first real
> footplating experience on a WDM2 KJM loco (18608). Apurva your snaps
are as
> usual outstanding. Great pixs.
>
> Regards,
> Anand
>
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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Ooops, looks like my slip is showing!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 07:14:26 -0500


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello Jayant, Appu and others,
>
> So it is Alco: I'm most awfully sorry for the cockup.
> ANy my profound apologies to all ye Alco freaks out there.
>
> Yes, it is Alco, ALco DL-5 I think.
> Actually, I've misplaced that wonderful book in which the data is
> given,hence the slip.
>
> Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards GM?

Only among some Alco fanatics.:-) GM builds fine diesel locmotives and
occasionally even electric locomotives. The AEM-7s used by Amtrak on the
Northeast Corrider were built under license from ASEA by GM. The big
religious schism among diesel enthusiats these days seems to be between
GM and GE. As usual both have their plusses and minuses, and both build
excellent products, and depending on the specifric needs of each
railroad they fill significant niches in the diesel electric landscape
today.

> Isn't there another North American diesel builder: Bombardier? One
> hardly hears of Bombardier diesels. Or are they more into railcars?
> I think its Canadian, right? I think Canadian Loco Works was renamed
> Bombardier.
>

Bombardier started off as a small company that built sledges and other
winter sport equipment. Then they slowly acquired various pieces of
technology and IP from various companies and now they are a gian
transportation equipment company. Among the IP that they acquired are
all of Pullman Standard's designs, including the Superliner. They are
also manufacturing the Acela Express trainsets and the high HP electric
locomotives for Amtrak's Northeeast Corridor, in collaboration with
Alstom. I don't know for sure whether they acquired the IP from MLW, but
they may very well have done so.

Jishnu.

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Ooops, looks like my slip is showing!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:57:23 -0500


Hello Jayant, Appu and others,

So it is Alco: I'm most awfully sorry for the cockup.
ANy my profound apologies to all ye Alco freaks out there.

Yes, it is Alco, ALco DL-5 I think.
Actually, I've misplaced that wonderful book in which the data is
given,hence the slip.

Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards GM?

Isn't there another North American diesel builder: Bombardier? One
hardly hears of Bombardier diesels. Or are they more into railcars?
I think its Canadian, right? I think Canadian Loco Works was renamed
Bombardier.

Best regards.
Shankar




Jayant S wrote:
>
> "S.Shankar" wrote:
> >............ but the WDM/2 is supposed to be an
> > adaptation of GM's Century Series.
>
> Huh ? Sacrilege ! Sacrilege ! You shall be struck
> down by a bolt of lightning from the main generator !
> ALCO it was, and not some wimp of a GM loco !
>
> (Hee hee, just kidding: after all, GM-EMD did build
> the awesome UP Centennial diesels.....)
>
> --
> JS
> --

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Whoops !!!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 10:20:17 -0500


Hi all,
Back after a week's vacation. Surprised to see my my mail boxes
flooded with mails from the list on a variety of topics. Great going!!.
Had
some wonderful rail experiences over the last 4-5 days. Will surely put
them
down as a travelogue. Shunted for 2 hours at Shimoga, my first real
footplating experience on a WDM2 KJM loco (18608). Apurva your snaps are
as
usual outstanding. Great pixs.

Regards,
Anand



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From: Anurag Acharya <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA list handler at UMD is broken

Date: 12 Jul 1999 12:08:02 -0500



This happens now and then when someone at Maryland messes around with
the machine that my directory lives on. Usually, this results in
messages being bounced to me - I forward them once the glitch goes
away. These glitches are usually less than a few hours. I will be
happy to periodically mail the address file. Let me know.

anurag "who is wading through couple of thousand messages in his
mailbox..."

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Ooops, looks like my slip is showing!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 15:40:13 -0500


Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
> S.Shankar wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jayant, Appu and others,
> >
> > So it is Alco: I'm most awfully sorry for the cockup.
> > ANy my profound apologies to all ye Alco freaks out there.
> >
> > Yes, it is Alco, ALco DL-5 I think.
> > Actually, I've misplaced that wonderful book in which the data is
> > given,hence the slip.
> >
> > Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards
GM?
> >
> I do'nt think everyony dislikes the GM/EMD. It is just that there was
a
> period when the GM's all looked alike. They were also the competition
> that help kill the Alco.Peolple here love the sound the looks and that
> trademark Alco smoke. Plus, as I said earlier, they are becoming rare.
> I used to live near the Deleware & Hudson RR which was loaded with
> Alcos. I consistantly traveled along the line to get shots of their
> clean EMDs with no avail. A friend of mine would catch nothing but
> them(EMDs) and he was starving for Alco photos!
>
> > Isn't there another North American diesel builder: Bombardier? One
> > hardly hears of Bombardier diesels. Or are they more into railcars?
> > I think its Canadian, right? I think Canadian Loco Works was renamed
> > Bombardier.
> >
> > Best regards.
> > Shankar
> >
> It was the Montreal Locomotive works before becoming Bombardier. They
> are currently building passenger cars and the new Amtrak Acela.
>
> Tim

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: GM Antipathy

Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:35:03 -0500


"S.Shankar" wrote:

> Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards GM?

To tell the truth, no antipathy towards GM; just that
poor old Alco has gone under long ago. GM built some
wonderful locos too, DD40AX types, SDs, and our own
beautiful WDM4, YDM3 and YDM5 types.

Alco scores over GM in the steam department, of course.
After all, they built the UP Big Boys.

(Small query here: Did Alco steam ever run in India ?
In the form of any AWE or WD wartime locos ? We know
that Baldwin did build some WP/WG etc, but then they
became a part of Lima, didn't they ?)

--
JS
--

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: Ooops, looks like my slip is showing!

Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:12:01 -0500


>Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards GM?
>

It has to be an even comparison my dear. After all GM never built any
`tractors' or did they?!?

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: S.Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: sank@telco.email <sank@telco.email
Cc: IR List <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:03 AM
Subject: Ooops, looks like my slip is showing!


>Hello Jayant, Appu and others,
>
>So it is Alco: I'm most awfully sorry for the cockup.
>ANy my profound apologies to all ye Alco freaks out there.
>
>Yes, it is Alco, ALco DL-5 I think.
>Actually, I've misplaced that wonderful book in which the data is
>given,hence the slip.
>
>Isn't there another North American diesel builder: Bombardier? One
>hardly hears of Bombardier diesels. Or are they more into railcars?
>I think its Canadian, right? I think Canadian Loco Works was renamed
>Bombardier.
>
>Best regards.
>Shankar
>
>
>
>
>Jayant S wrote:
>>
>> "S.Shankar" wrote:
>> >............ but the WDM/2 is supposed to be an
>> > adaptation of GM's Century Series.
>>
>> Huh ? Sacrilege ! Sacrilege ! You shall be struck
>> down by a bolt of lightning from the main generator !
>> ALCO it was, and not some wimp of a GM loco !
>>
>> (Hee hee, just kidding: after all, GM-EMD did build
>> the awesome UP Centennial diesels.....)
>>
>> --
>> JS
>> --
>

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: IRFCA list handler at UMD is broken

Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:15:42 -0500


No problem. I will be happy to keep this as a backup for you as and when
required. I hope this is what you mean?

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Anurag Acharya <acha@cs.email
To: S Pai <s_pai@bigfoot.email
Cc: shankun@microsoft.email <shankun@microsoft.email iti@vsnl.email
<iti@vsnl.email vijay_642@hotmail.email <vijay_642@hotmail.email
hvc@vsnl.email
<hvc@vsnl.email
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: IRFCA list handler at UMD is broken


>
>This happens now and then when someone at Maryland messes around with
>the machine that my directory lives on. Usually, this results in
>messages being bounced to me - I forward them once the glitch goes
>away. These glitches are usually less than a few hours. I will be
>happy to periodically mail the address file. Let me know.
>
>anurag "who is wading through couple of thousand messages in his
mailbox..."
>
>

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: GM vs Alco

Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:30:21 -0500


hvc wrote:
> >Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards
GM?
> It has to be an even comparison my dear. After all GM never built any
> `tractors' or did they?!?

Tractors ? Dunno really. GM, of course, have had a long career
with automobiles and construction equipment, and their Hughes
Aircraft subsidiary presumably built airplanes as well.

But then they never built steam locos, so they cannot really
join the truly honourable ranks of those who did: Baldwin;
Sharp, Stewart & Co, Beyer Peacock & CO, North British,
CLW.....and, not to forget: Telco.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of all the steam
builders who supplied to the Subcontinent ?

--
JS
--

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: A Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 00:11:05 -0500




Anand Krishnan wrote:

> Hi all,
> Me back for the usual boredom essay series (Apurva would kill me
if i
> continue to use these words). I travelled for the most part of my tour
by
> train.

I love getting bored !

> First leg was from Chennai to Tirupathi by the Chennai - Tirupathi -
Mysore
> exp/FP.

Does this train go to TPTY and then reverse to go to MYS via RU etc ?
What is
the rationale of having TPTY as a stop for this train ? I guess to carry
pilgrims from TPTY for an overnight run. I do not have the SR tt at
hand, but is
my guess correct ?


> The train departed from Chennai at 4.20p.m . It usually
departed
> at 4.30pm but now since the GT Express is scheduled to depart at 4.30
this
> departure was advanced by 10 minutes. Though we had a reservation i
guess
> people did not know this and happily occupied our places. Could not
blame
> them though as the whole of the chart had only 3 names on it, me and
my
> parents !!!!! people usually do not book the tickets in advance for
this
> train. Its just a case of buy and hop in.

How crowded was it ? How many people according to you travel all the way
by a
fast passenger ?

> The train had 3 GS compartments, 2
> SLR/Ladies, 3 SL and 1 FC, and was hauled by a WAM4(21275) from
Arakkonam.
> The train was on time till Perambur i think. Terribly startted losing
time.
> I seriously do not understand why 150km cannot be covered in the
alloted
> time. Probably because this train had to start only at 9.40p.m from
> Tirupathi as the TPT-Mysore Fast Passenger and there was no big
problem in
> being late.

There may have been an EMU before you till Tiruttani, and that sort of
slows
things down. Happens in Mumbai all the time.

> Lets not talk about the cleanliness aspects of a GS compartment.
> It was typical. Groundnut shells, banana skins, Manikchand, GoldFlake
and
> what not. Our luggage were safe on the berth and we neednt have to be
> bothered too much on dusting our bags when we got off.

The filthiest compartment I remember seeing was one of the incoming
Kushinagar
Express at CSTM. There was a farm full of groundnut peels, paper, waste
food and
other indescribable items. There was a heap of rubbish 6 " high in the
vestibule
!

> Saw two sparkling red
> and cream WAP1s(ED) just freshly painted at Ara.

These are Erode WAP1s at Arkkonam ? Have you noticed that the new
electric
powers have twin beam headlights. These are the latest produce of the
CLW. The
new Indian Railway Mag (April 1999 - 156 pages of mostly Indian Railway
information Rs. 30 only !) carries a write up on the CLW which shows a
WAP 4
with a twin headlamp in place of its normal waist height single lamp.
There is
also a WAG 7 with the twin headlamps at the roof level. Now that looks
very
interesting. The WAP 4 has a large block left which was the area where
the older
large headlamp fitted. I think the CLW must move the smaller twin
headlamp units
to the roof level. As of now the twin marker lamps in the WAP 4 and the
twin
headlamp seem to be of the same size and in the same plane.

> Now the other way is
> also true. If you start by a passenger and changeover in the middle to
an
> express enroute it is passenger fare althrough.
> The fare from MAs-TPT is Rs62 by express for 1 adult
> The fare from TPT-DMM is Rs80 by passenger
> But my through ticket from MAs-DMM cost me Rs162
> Have i confused u all ? I hope not.

How do you know about this rule ? I think the difference in a single
ticket and
two smaller tickets is the telescopic fare calculation.

Apurva

From: Joydeep Dutta <>

Subject: Re: GM vs Alco

Date: 13 Jul 1999 02:02:27 -0500


Hi
There seems to be a round of talks going on ALCO and GM-EMD. As
a die hard WDM2 fan I would like to put some things straight.

IT is this ---- GM Locos are well ahead in performance than ALCO
Currently there has been a huge sale of the GE locomotives specially
after
Dash 8 and Dash 9 series but US drivers feel that GM locos keep better
schedule than GEs and accelerate much faster. Even WDM4 does that.

Our own first highspeed run Delhi - Howrah Rajdhani was entrusted to
to WDM4 which is a GM and not the ALCO WDM2.

IR wanted a transfer of technology from GM but they did agree and so IR

turned to ALCO and the rest is history. There is no doubt that WDM2 is
the
greatest and most reliable workhorse in IR locomotive history.

But currently GM has agreed on a technology transfer basis since may be
in
terms of sales it is now second to GE.
But the new WDG4 are superior beasts from GM and even can outperform a a
ABB
WAG 9 in terms of haulage capacity.
More stories later

Joydeep



>From: Jayant S <sank@telco.email
>Reply-To: sank@telco.email
>To: IR List <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: GM vs Alco
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:00:21 +0530
>
>hvc wrote:
> > >Nonetheless, just out of curiosity, why all this antipathy towards
GM?
> > It has to be an even comparison my dear. After all GM never built
any
> > `tractors' or did they?!?
>
>Tractors ? Dunno really. GM, of course, have had a long career
>with automobiles and construction equipment, and their Hughes
>Aircraft subsidiary presumably built airplanes as well.
>
>But then they never built steam locos, so they cannot really
>join the truly honourable ranks of those who did: Baldwin;
>Sharp, Stewart & Co, Beyer Peacock & CO, North British,
>CLW.....and, not to forget: Telco.
>
>Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of all the steam
>builders who supplied to the Subcontinent ?
>
>--
>JS
>--
>


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From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: A Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 04:07:35 -0500


Hi all,
Me back for the usual boredom essay series (Apurva would kill me
if i
continue to use these words). I travelled for the most part of my tour
by
train.
First leg was from Chennai to Tirupathi by the Chennai - Tirupathi -
Mysore
exp/FP.
Second leg was from Tirupathi to Dharmavaram by the TPT-Guntakal Fast
passenger on the MG
Third leg was from Bangalore to Shimoga and back again to B'lore.
Fourth and final was from B'lore to Sec'bad.

I start of with the first leg.
The train departed from Chennai at 4.20p.m . It usually
departed
at 4.30pm but now since the GT Express is scheduled to depart at 4.30
this
departure was advanced by 10 minutes. Though we had a reservation i
guess
people did not know this and happily occupied our places. Could not
blame
them though as the whole of the chart had only 3 names on it, me and my
parents !!!!! people usually do not book the tickets in advance for this

train. Its just a case of buy and hop in. The train had 3 GS
compartments, 2
SLR/Ladies, 3 SL and 1 FC, and was hauled by a WAM4(21275) from
Arakkonam.
The train was on time till Perambur i think. Terribly startted losing
time.
I seriously do not understand why 150km cannot be covered in the alloted

time. Probably because this train had to start only at 9.40p.m from
Tirupathi as the TPT-Mysore Fast Passenger and there was no big problem
in
being late. Lets not talk about the cleanliness aspects of a GS
compartment.
It was typical. Groundnut shells, banana skins, Manikchand, GoldFlake
and
what not. Our luggage were safe on the berth and we neednt have to be
bothered too much on dusting our bags when we got off. Saw two sparkling
red
and cream WAP1s(ED) just freshly painted at Ara. So we finally reached
TPT
at around 8.40 (scheduled arr. 7.35pm) and got on to the waiting
TPT-Guntakal FP on the adjacent platform..................
(to be contd)

Just a point before i close. I do not know how many know this rule in
IR. I
just thought i could let you know this so that it may be helpful later
on.
Whenever we make a through reservation ticket from a station A to C via
an
intermediate changeover at station B in such a way that
(i) the ticket is from A to C (Direct ticket) but change over at B
(ii)A to B is by an express train
(iii) B to C is by a passenger train
The fare between A to C will be calculated as an express train
fare
for the whole of the journey from A to C even though the second leg of
the
journey is by a passenger train. The programming for the reservation is
set
this way in IR. The whole journey depends on what type of train your
starting one is. If it is express then no matter how many changes you
make
in the course of the journey it is an express fare. Now the other way is

also true. If you start by a passenger and changeover in the middle to
an
express enroute it is passenger fare althrough.
The fare from MAs-TPT is Rs62 by express for 1 adult
The fare from TPT-DMM is Rs80 by passenger
But my through ticket from MAs-DMM cost me Rs162
Have i confused u all ? I hope not.

regards,
Anand


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From: C.L.Zeni <>

Subject: Re: GM Antipathy

Date: 13 Jul 1999 04:22:58 -0500


Jayant S wrote:

> (Small query here: Did Alco steam ever run in India ?
> In the form of any AWE or WD wartime locos ? We know
> that Baldwin did build some WP/WG etc, but then they
> became a part of Lima, didn't they ?)

Actually the other way 'round - Baldwin bought out Lima very early in
the diesel era - around 1950 or so. Lima built a handful of diesels
then after the buyout no more were made. Only Baldwins after that, then
the whole mess went under in 1957.
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From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Passenger stock from Argentina

Date: 13 Jul 1999 04:26:29 -0500


<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/atodotren/">http://members.xoom.com/atodotren/</A>

Amazing how the coaches in the train picture
on this page resemble IR stock, right down to
the almost-DQ livery.

Are there any models of Argentinan stock that
could presumably be modified to pass for IR stock ?

-JS-

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: A Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 05:01:37 -0500



I am not sure if you can travel on express train on part of the
journey on a "passenger" ticket. You may need to pay the difference
for those sectors on which you are travelling by express.

Anyway, here is my experience. I booked in AC-2T from Sambalpur to
Jhansi, with ticket to Kanpur. From Jhansi, I changed train,
and travelled to Kanpur in sleeper class, because that day there
was no first class in that train. So the TT gave me a certificate
that due to non-availability of first class, I have travelled in
the lower class. At Kanpur, I went to the refund.

The formula that the clerk used for refund was as follows:

Find the fare difference for AC-2T between Sambalpur-Jhansi
and Sambalpur-Kanpur. Call it `x'.

Find the fare difference between AC-2T and sleeper class for
Jhansi-Kanpur. (No telescopic fares here.) Call it 'y'.

Gave me the minimum of 'x' and 'y'. It so happened that x < y.
So I travelled to Kanpur at the same price at which I would
have travelled to Jhansi. I felt there was something wrong with
the refund rules, but the clerk checked with his superiors,
and assured me that that is indeed the correct method.


But on another occasion, when I travelled on express train in
the first half of the journey, and a superfast train in the
second half of the journey, I was asked to pay the SF charges
separately. In fact, I was told that SF charges have to paid
for every part of the journey. If I get a ticket on SF train,
and I change to another SF train, I am supposed to pay the
SF charges again. At least that is what I was told by one TT.

-dheeraj


> Just a point before i close. I do not know how many know this rule in
IR. I
> just thought i could let you know this so that it may be helpful later
on.
> Whenever we make a through reservation ticket from a station A to C
via an
> intermediate changeover at station B in such a way that
> (i) the ticket is from A to C (Direct ticket) but change over at B
> (ii)A to B is by an express train
> (iii) B to C is by a passenger train
> The fare between A to C will be calculated as an express train
fare
> for the whole of the journey from A to C even though the second leg of
the
> journey is by a passenger train. The programming for the reservation
is set
> this way in IR. The whole journey depends on what type of train your
> starting one is. If it is express then no matter how many changes you
make
> in the course of the journey it is an express fare. Now the other way
is
> also true. If you start by a passenger and changeover in the middle to
an
> express enroute it is passenger fare althrough.
> The fare from MAs-TPT is Rs62 by express for 1 adult
> The fare from TPT-DMM is Rs80 by passenger
> But my through ticket from MAs-DMM cost me Rs162
> Have i confused u all ? I hope not.


--------------
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(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
Home Page: <A HREF="http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj">http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/dheeraj</A>

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: A Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 06:30:08 -0500



> This is very interesting. GUess the clerk just to this of hand without

> some serious look into this. Is it possible to get a refund of the
> excess fare that was charged for the passenger part of the journey.
> This would save almost Rs60 for the three tickets that i got.

At least I received the difference between AC-2T and Sleeper class.

But I was also told that if the train I took from Jhansi
to Kanpur did not have AC-2T or First class service at all
or it had a regular service but I didn't have the reservation,
then I wouldn't be paid the difference, since I would be
travelling in lower class on my own volition. Since the
train had a regular First class service, but the coach was
not attached that day, therefore, I got paid the difference.

Another journey I recall was Tulsipur-Gonda-Lucknow-Kanpur,
changing three trains. The first and the third train was to be
a passenger train, while the second one was an express train.
I asked the booking clerk at Tulsipur for a ticket to Kanpur
telling him that part of the journey will be on an Express
train. He told me that I can either take separate tickets for
three parts of the journey, two of them on passenger trains,
or take one ticket for the entire journey on express train.
But it was cheaper to take an express train ticket for the
entire journey since you get the benefit of telescopic fares.

-dheeraj
--------------
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(Off)
Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering (0512) 59-8627 (Res)
Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
(Fax)
Kanpur - 208 016 (UP), INDIA. dheeraj@iitk.email
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From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Re: A Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 08:57:09 -0500


you're right in one aspect as far as having through tickets by two
trains of
diff types. regardless which is the higher class, you through ticket
will be
charged on the train you take before. say if you are travelling
passenger
first and then mail/exp, you will be charged pass fare through and then
on
the second leg you will be charged the diff for the second section. but
if
you travel the mail/exp first, you will be charged that throughout. this
is
true for 1st class or AC or sleeper class, so should hold for this case
too.

one way to beat the system might be to get a blank paper ticket for the
entire journey in the lower type and then upgrade when you are getting
the
reservations. but it would be an absolute pain.

samit roychoudhury

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Apurva's questions on Traveller's Tale - I

Date: 13 Jul 1999 09:09:39 -0500


Hi All,


>Does this train go to TPTY and then reverse to go to MYS via RU etc ?
What
>is
>the rationale of having TPTY as a stop for this train ? I guess to
carry
>pilgrims from TPTY for an overnight run. I do not have the SR tt at
hand,
>but is
>my guess correct ?
Actually this train serves a number of purposes. First is that

this is an additional train to TPT, more comfortable compared to the bus

journey. Second adv. is that this starts at 4.30 when colleges get over
and
a few offices too. So there is a limited stop connection to long
distance
travellers to Tiruvallur, Arakkonam and Tirutani. Thirdly one rake for 2

trains. The TPT-MYS train is independant. It has a separate number
altogether, but to avoid changing route boards they call it
Chennai-TPT-MYS
express though it runs as a fast passenger from TPT to MYS. The route
again
is RU - Jolarpet - SBC - MYS.
>
>How crowded was it ? How many people according to you travel all the
way by
>a
>fast passenger ?
As i said this serves for the long distance regular commuters. It
was
jam packed till Arakonam. Then again ther was a small crowd till
Tirutani.
Later on it was o.k. There would have been may be 10-15 seats empty in a

compartment.

>These are Erode WAP1s at Arkkonam ? Have you noticed that the new
electric
>powers have twin beam headlights.

These might have come to Arakonam for an overhaul and a fresh coat of
paint
. I guess the A/C part of Erode shed would not have been commissioned.
They
had their original waist height lamps only.

>How do you know about this rule ? I think the difference in a single
ticket
>and
>two smaller tickets is the telescopic fare calculation.
>
Even i was under the impression that i could have avoided the extra

charge of getting a fresh ticket from TPT to DMM. But i never had any
idea
of this rule. Infact the ever courteous staff of the Besant Nagar
Computer
Resv. facility in Chennai took time off, called us inside and sat with
us to
check how much is the difference in booking a direct ticket and getting
it
in two separate reservations. Here our avoiding telescopic charge trick
fails totally. They noted this down so that they could tell this to
others
who book tickets this way to DMM. Off late those who wish to goto
Puttaparthi take this route as this is very very comfortable. The prime
reason was that the TPT-DMM ticket was treated as an express journey and
not
a passenger journey as the source ticket from MAS was an express one.
I have another similar puzzle(atleast to me) which i shall unveil a
little
later.

regards,
Anand


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From: Karthik Giddu <>

Subject: Train between Bangalore and Calicut.

Date: 13 Jul 1999 10:41:57 -0500


Hello folks,
Is there any direct train between Bangalore and Calicut introduced this
July. If not what could be the best alternate route.
Thanks in advance.
Karthik
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