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From: Nitin Joshi <>

Subject: Food on IR

Date: 04 Jul 1999 19:16:52 -0500


A lot of writing is going in to Food on the Indian Railways.
 
As a kid I remember the Roast Chicken being served in the Frontier Mail (Name now changed
for God knows what). It was by far the best - by railway standards.
 
I will agree with the list of other items being sold at various stations and each station does have
a speciality of its own.
 
However, can anybody explain the recent spate of name changes to several locations, train names
etc. back home (India). I always felt Victoria Terminus (V.T.) was nice now renamed as Chatrapati
Shivaji Terminus. Bombay Sahar International Airport renamed as Chatrapati Shivaji International
Airport. If they really did want to change the name of the Airport, it would have been appropriate to
have named it after J R D Tata, after all he was the aviator who brought aviation to India.
 
How long are we going to tag along with names like Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi
and I am SURE that very soon we will have Sonia Gandhi International Airport, New Delhi. Which
in a way of speaking would be apt.
 
The Frontier Mail had a charm of its own. I remember seeing a documentary on TV about the Frontier
when it had completed 50 years of running. It was a nice one. Any suggestions as how could one
procure this firm. Another one was on the Jayanti Janata Express Mangalore/CHTS to NZM.
 
Any comments?
 

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Food

Date: 04 Jul 1999 19:55:31 -0500


Shankar wrote:
> But Jayant, as Royston rightly said, why wind up this food thread?

Because it is simply agonising to sit here and read about it,
getting hungrier by the minute, and to know that all I have
for lunch is some gunk in the Telco cafeteria !!

Makki di roti and Sarson da saag: sluuuurrrpppp !!

Them northerners could be accused of being bone-headed,
but they sure know how to whip up the kitchen.

I had this beautiful dream last night in which the steam
shed at Mughalsarai was still operational, filled with
WG locos and the smell of coal. Sigh. I'd pass up any
kind of fragrant 'saag' to be able to smell coal exhaust again.....

--
JS
--

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: GRP & RPF...

Date: 04 Jul 1999 20:04:13 -0500



Hi!


On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, hvc wrote:


> Does this imply that the other regions of the country are still
backward
> enough to be not sending their women to join the corps?
>
> Harsh

Let me clarify, this is the FIRST batch of women placed on RPF. And you
may very well understand , there is organised 'bharti' of personnels
from
certain regional officers. So, others may not backward be as you term
them
but may be more orthodox to send women in RPF or any other force. Like
many of the nurses are from Kerala. But I think, here they come into
this
profession of nursing by choice, liking.

Women from other region likely to join these forces, already heard few
of
them talking Marathi.

BTW, the police who beat up the press photographers, were all from
Maharashtra.
Names were declared in Sundays papers as Deshmukh etc. So, not
necessarily
they have to be from North to behave like uncivilised. Still Shame on
them.


Shrinivas

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Jayabala...

Date: 04 Jul 1999 21:29:39 -0500



Hi!

Remember Jayabala Ashar, the college girl who was pushed off a running
train
near Churchgate by a drug addict? She did her B.Com final & as promised
by Rly.
Minister , she is taken into employment as Junior Clerk by the W. Rly.

She was honoured as Veerbala with a Rs. 50,000/- award for bravery by
railways.
A European ( If my memory serves me right it was Swidesh)firm helped her
stand
on her artificial legs sometime during January this year.

Shrinivas

(News source, City File - from TOI , Dt. 5th July '99)

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: GRP & RPF...

Date: 04 Jul 1999 22:17:06 -0500


Hi!


On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, S.Shankar wrote:

> Ho, ho, my good chap. Easy does it.You're lucky most of the group
> members are not from the North, and this group is not India based, or
> you will have scores of Northerners flying at your throat. And while
you
> are distracted with that, some bloke may plant a bomb in your pants!
> (Don't worry, I'm from South India, settled in good old Poona (Pune)
> since 1971, so I'm a pucca Puneri: no problems from my side!)

This( North) I mentioned, only because Harsh, in his mail was surprised
about such a incident taking place in civilised West. May be I sounded a
little curt. But the happenings of last week made me sound like that.
Sorry one & all for that.

> Actually, put more diplomatically, and unoffensively, most of the RPF
> jawans, like the military jawans, are indeed recruited from the
NOrthern
> States, possibly because they are so easily available, and are willing
> to do the job. Imagine a Madrasi like me or a kerala walla or a Gujju
> opting for such a job.

No doubt about the skills of Northern men.Most of the armed forces are
plenty of them, the guardians of our borders.

> Most of these chaps are from UP, MP, Delhi, Haryana (you'll be
surprised
> at the number of Rais, Yadavs and Singhs in their ranks!)
> They are decidedly bolder and more rough and ready than their fellow
> countrymen,(well, Northerners are a lot more rough, strong and hardy
> whehter you like it or not),very hard working, sincere, will obey
> blindly (down boy down, heel, is all thats required to make them stay
> put) etc.

But with the things go with the job they do, they should be able to
differentiate with the trouble makers & peace minding civilians. But
here
probably they were beating up press photographers, who they feared most.

As may be there was some racket involved on unreserved seats. At
Kalyan,every
train which has a compartment marked as Ex-Kalyan-there is a queue
formed on
the platform. May be this hour of night they were asking for some money
from
passengers for these seats. And as I have already mentioned in earlier
mail,
these police men were from our own Maharashtra. In this case it is just
the
opposite, may they were harassing poor, North/South/East bound
labourers.
And these press photographers happened to be around, in search of some
story for the papers.

So, the tendency is the same amongst all in the force.

Bye,

Shrinivas

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: WDG4

Date: 05 Jul 1999 01:14:16 -0500


The second YDM 3 pic on the EMD site is by Viraf Mulla, and I am quite
sure
he also considers it an honour that the pic is on your site.

Apurva



Larry Russell wrote:

> Hi Gang. Anyone have any pictures of the WDG4's yet? I'd like to use
> some on my EMD web pages for India. I'm in the process of updating my
> Indian pages for GM and have found I've downloaded several YDM3 and
YDM5
> pictures from IRFCA members sites that I would like to use in addition
> to my own. I'm reluctant to put them up without the owners permission,
> but I can't remember who they belong to. Perhaps someone may remember
> these from the thumbnails I am providing on my site at:
> <A HREF="http://emdexport.railfan.net/">http://emdexport.railfan.net/</A> look under India on the country list.
> Larry Russell

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Food

Date: 05 Jul 1999 01:31:55 -0500


> I had this beautiful dream last night in which the steam
> shed at Mughalsarai was still operational, filled with
> WG locos and the smell of coal. Sigh. I'd pass up any
> kind of fragrant 'saag' to be able to smell coal exhaust again.....

May you dream some more Jayant, go to Wankaner - Morbi, plenty of 'coal
saag' there till the end of this year.

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: Rail food

Date: 05 Jul 1999 10:31:16 -0500


The Quality of food in Rajdhani used to vary in recent past due to
variety
of catering practices adopted by `Tourism and Catering' Deptt. of IR for
short duration on experimental basis.

For example in March ' 98 when I travelled by AK Rajdhani, the food
(including ice cream) was supplied by renowed Nirula's chain of
Restaurants
of Delhi. Needless to say the food was lip smacking. For reasons unknown
that was the first and last time we got Nirula's catering on IR.
On the other hand in March '94 I travelled by Rajdhani to-and-fro. Food
prepared by Delhi base kitchen was simply inedible but we got good food
on
return journey. I travel by all Shatabdi's from Delhi and quality of
food is
invariably bad on the down journey and more than often it is good on the
return trip.
Today while travelling to Gwalior I chose to avoid the greasy looking
stuff
they bought in the name of Cutlets and Omlettes.

Maybe the NR catering department is more corrupt(in choosing the
caterers)
than its counterparts in smaller stations.

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Royston Ellis <royston@pan.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 7:56 AM
Subject: Rail food


>Fellow rail gourmets:
>why wind up the thread on food? It's just beginning to get interesting.
>Grateful to Dr Ken for clarifying that I was getting excited about
spinach!
>
>Can someone tell me why the standard of catering on the new Rajdhanis
is so
>bad when on the Rajdhanis to/from Bombay and Calcutta it is good (well,
my
>last meal on a Rajdhani was in 1997 so maybe things have changed).
>Royston
>

From: Muhammed Khan <>

Subject: Re: Name Changing

Date: 05 Jul 1999 16:38:35 -0500


Hi Nitin Joshi:
You have rightly raised the question of changing names. It seems to me a desperate attempt to forget the past and a feeble attempt to change history. It is a fact that we were ruled by the British whom, like all over the world ,we threw them out. Then why be ashamed of it. In fact VT is a reminder, by what ever name it is called, a monument to what was good in the British empire. Shivaji would have never dreamed about trains from Bombay or flights from the airport. In what way are we going to explain the coming generation the association of Shivaji with a rail Terminus? "Orient express"  translated as "Pashim tez gadi" loses its charm and looks ridiculous. Or may be when it runs through India it will be named as such!!
Has India become so SECULAR that  Shivaji was the only ruler in its history. "J.R.D.Tata" being a pioneer in aviation history would have been very apt, but as you very well know it would not have fitted in the local political setup of bigoted self centered sectarian lok netas.
Where are the Indian intelligentsia? Have they gone into hibernation or lost their voice to idiotic politicians.
Come on guys, India deserve better than this.
Muhammed

----- Original Message -----
From: Nitin Joshi <mailto:npjoshi@attcanada.email
To: IRFC <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 7:16 PM
Subject: Food on IR

A lot of writing is going in to Food on the Indian Railways.
 
As a kid I remember the Roast Chicken being served in the Frontier Mail (Name now changed
for God knows what). It was by far the best - by railway standards.
 
I will agree with the list of other items being sold at various stations and each station does have
a speciality of its own.
 
However, can anybody explain the recent spate of name changes to several locations, train names
etc. back home (India). I always felt Victoria Terminus (V.T.) was nice now renamed as Chatrapati
Shivaji Terminus. Bombay Sahar International Airport renamed as Chatrapati Shivaji International
Airport. If they really did want to change the name of the Airport, it would have been appropriate to
have named it after J R D Tata, after all he was the aviator who brought aviation to India.
 
How long are we going to tag along with names like Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi
and I am SURE that very soon we will have Sonia Gandhi International Airport, New Delhi. Which
in a way of speaking would be apt.
 
The Frontier Mail had a charm of its own. I remember seeing a documentary on TV about the Frontier
when it had completed 50 years of running. It was a nice one. Any suggestions as how could one
procure this firm. Another one was on the Jayanti Janata Express Mangalore/CHTS to NZM.
 
Any comments?
 
Nitin Joshi

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Mysore site working !

Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:19:59 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> Tripod seems to have deleted my iloverails account. So I have
> reuploaded the Mysore stuff on a different account. Try it
> now.
>
> Go to:
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>
> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
>
> Apurva


WOW!!! What a facility! I had a chance to go to Mysore in 98',but passed
it up. We would have been pushing time and our physical abilities to get
there. We were going to see a railway meuseum that is located there. I'm
sure we would have come across the remains of this shed. Kinda of wish
we went now.The shots of the gent on the footplate are beyond
words.Thanks for sharing.

Tim

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Food

Date: 05 Jul 1999 20:08:37 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> May you dream some more Jayant, go to Wankaner - Morbi, plenty of
'coal
> saag' there till the end of this year.

May not be able to do that, but I will be visiting
Darjeeling in November, so....

--
JS
--

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Food

Date: 05 Jul 1999 20:27:24 -0500



> I had this beautiful dream last night in which the steam
> shed at Mughalsarai was still operational, filled with
> WG locos and the smell of coal. Sigh. I'd pass up any
> kind of fragrant 'saag' to be able to smell coal exhaust again.....

Hey Jayant visit Wankaner as early as possible to have your dream
fulfilled.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: WDG4

Date: 05 Jul 1999 20:41:03 -0500


On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> The second YDM 3 pic on the EMD site is by Viraf Mulla, and I am
quite sure
> he also considers it an honour that the pic is on your site.
>
> Apurva


Hello Larry,

As Appu guessed, I am honoured.

I have plently of pictures but for a want of a scanner & a PC.

Viraf
==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Renaming and other trivia

Date: 06 Jul 1999 11:34:56 -0500


Hello,
Indeed. I agree with you in toto. Renaming has reached sickening
proportions. Thats what happens if you have lunatics like Bal Thakeray
and Mulayam Singh YAdav on the loose. And the public actually listening
to and encouraging such sick-in-the-head, wet,cynical and fanatical
elements.
But quite frankly, I do not seem to recall too many trains having been
renamed.From historical times, well, Imperial Mail and Poona Mail and
Punjab Limited have all disappeared.
In recent times, I remember Frontier Mail being renamed as Golden Temple
Mail,
Bombay-Poona Janata as Sinhagad Exp.,
Mangala Exp as Lakshwadeep Exp,thats all.
Actually, the Jayanti Janata was a series of trains (the first one was
Delhi-Ahmedabad?). Like the Shatabdi or Rajdhani, there were several of
them.
Actually, for our overseas friends, Janata Express (common man's express
or people's express) was a concept introduced in the 1960s to denote an
express train carrying only second class accommodation. Of course, most
were frightfully slow, and used ot call at every third station.
The concept worked splendidly for several decades till two things
happened.
1. The advent of Air Conditioned 2-tier sleeper cars, which were treated
as a.c. second class. In fact, the official IR terminology for these was
2AC 2-Tier. These began to be hooked onto Janata Express trains.The
Janatas were hence no longer common man's trains: with a.c. car and all.
2.Another reason for the downfall of Janatas happened in the late 1970s
with the then Railway Minister Madhu Dandavate hitting upon the idea of
introducing fast 2nd class-only trains. Being fast, some of these trains
were named.Bombay-Secunderabad Minar Express is one which comes to mind.
Several fast, sometimes superfast 2nd only trains bearing exotic names
started hitting the rails, due to which the 2nd only status did not
leave any meaning to the 'Janata' (common man) name tag at all.
Due to this, several Janata Express trains started getting re-named,or
had the Janata tag dropped altogether.
The Bombay-trivandrum (oops: Mumbai-Thiruvananthapuram) Jayanti Janata
was renamed as BBVT-TVC Jayanti Exp, and later simply as BBVT-TVC Exp.
MAQ-NDLS J.J was re-named Mangala Exp, BBVT-PA Janata was re-named
Sinhagad Exp, of course, with new DD cars.
Today, you have the name Janata added only to avoid confusion with
duplicated names, if you have two similar trains running over the same
route. Hence, you have Saurashtra Exp and Saurashtra Janata Exp (or else
you will have two Saurashtra Exps), similarly Hwh-Delhi Exp and
HWH-Delhi Janata (actually, the HWH-Delhi Exp starts from Sealdah).
You used to have the HWH-MAS MAil, HWH-MAS Janata and the super slow
HWH-MAS Exp till some time ago. THe Janata was withdrawn altogether.
Just some interesting snippets. The topic came up as several trains
were re-named after the Janata concept was dropped.
Best regards,and profound apologies to those who have fallen asleep.
Shankar



Nitin Joshi wrote:
>
> A lot of writing is going in to Food on the Indian Railways.
>
> As a kid I remember the Roast Chicken being served in the Frontier
> Mail (Name now changed
> for God knows what). It was by far the best - by railway standards.
>
> I will agree with the list of other items being sold at various
> stations and each station does have
> a speciality of its own.
>
> However, can anybody explain the recent spate of name changes to
> several locations, train names
> etc. back home (India). I always felt Victoria Terminus (V.T.) was
> nice now renamed as Chatrapati
> Shivaji Terminus. Bombay Sahar International Airport renamed as
> Chatrapati Shivaji International
> Airport. If they really did want to change the name of the Airport, it
> would have been appropriate to
> have named it after J R D Tata, after all he was the aviator who
> brought aviation to India.
>
> How long are we going to tag along with names like Indira Gandhi,
> Rajiv Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi
> and I am SURE that very soon we will have Sonia Gandhi International
> Airport, New Delhi. Which
> in a way of speaking would be apt.
>
> The Frontier Mail had a charm of its own. I remember seeing a
> documentary on TV about the Frontier
> when it had completed 50 years of running. It was a nice one. Any
> suggestions as how could one
> procure this firm. Another one was on the Jayanti Janata Express
> Mangalore/CHTS to NZM.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Nitin Joshi

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Filled steam sheds

Date: 06 Jul 1999 11:38:06 -0500


Hello,

Actually, Jayant, the assault of Telco food notwithstanding, you are in
a much more enviable position than many of us here.
Imagine, when the grub at Telco begins to bite, and you feel you must
have a taste of railwayland, all you need to do is to catch a local
train to Poona Jn, or Lonavla, or even Daund if you are very keen.May
not be anywhere near the exotic cuisine at exotic stations, but some
change nonetheless. I'm sure you travel by train at least once or twice
a year,so your wait is not for too long!
Imagine the plight of us Dubai wallahs, or worse still, the US
wallahs.Visiting home once in over two or three years, (that applies ot
me too: My visits home are once every two and a half years on an
average). In fact, there are no trains in Dubai, and I get to SEE a
train only after two and a half years each time!
Ah, yes, but I too wish I was at Mughalsarai, or Arakonam, or Guntakal,
or Madurai, or Daund, or even Poona, when the steam shed was full and
most of the trains were steam hauled.
One of the most divine sights in the steam era was at the steam shed at
dusk. Imagine: The light is fading, the air is hazy, plus is full of
smoke from the hissing steamers. Sort of gives a surreal atmosphere as
if several wood fires are alight at the same time, and hundreds of
chapatis being turned out.
And piercing the fading light and smoke screen is the bright headlight
of one or two engines being prepared for a late evening or night
departure, interspersed with an occasional short choooo or toooot from
an engine. Its like being in heaven! It is even more heavenly if there
is a sunset in the background!
I've seen one such pic in an overseas railway mag.The engine with the
bright beam on was a WP at Delhi shed.
Another unbeatable steam sight is an engine standing idle, but in steam.
Those short whiffs and spurts of steam emerging from all over the engine
is something unbeatable. I once caught a WP at sunrise, which had just
come into Poona with the shuttle from Daund. The sun had just risen, and
the engine was lit at an angle. THose short whiffs of white
steam:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Heavenly. They just vaporize, as soon as they
come out!
And now the steam engines themselves have vaporized!
May the sentinels of a bygone era rest (or rust)) in peace.
Best regards.
Shankar
Jayant S wrote:
>
> Shankar wrote:
> > But Jayant, as Royston rightly said, why wind up this food thread?
>
> Because it is simply agonising to sit here and read about it,
> getting hungrier by the minute, and to know that all I have
> for lunch is some gunk in the Telco cafeteria !!
>
> Makki di roti and Sarson da saag: sluuuurrrpppp !!
>
> Them northerners could be accused of being bone-headed,
> but they sure know how to whip up the kitchen.
>
> I had this beautiful dream last night in which the steam
> shed at Mughalsarai was still operational, filled with
> WG locos and the smell of coal. Sigh. I'd pass up any
> kind of fragrant 'saag' to be able to smell coal exhaust again.....
>
> --
> JS
> --

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Jayabala...

Date: 06 Jul 1999 11:40:47 -0500


Hello,
At last! ITs encouraging to note that some politician out there actually
does keep up his promises.
I'm very happy for Jaybala. Despite the time lapse, and the fact that I
do not know this girl, nor have I seen her, something somewhere snapped
inside me, and I used to wonder what is to become of her.
Well, thank goodness she has been provided for, though the poor thing
probably has her life ruined in every other respect.
I'll be the happiest man when I read that the bloke who pushed her out
of a moving train for a few measly bucks had his legs cut off by a
speeding local.
Am I getting carried away? Well I do, when individuals ruin the lives of
others and throw all norms of human decency and humanity to the windsfor
their own petty gains.

Good luck to Jaybala.
Shankar

SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Remember Jayabala Ashar, the college girl who was pushed off a running
train
> near Churchgate by a drug addict? She did her B.Com final & as
promised by Rly.
> Minister , she is taken into employment as Junior Clerk by the W. Rly.
>
> She was honoured as Veerbala with a Rs. 50,000/- award for bravery by
railways.
> A European ( If my memory serves me right it was Swidesh)firm helped
her stand
> on her artificial legs sometime during January this year.
>
> Shrinivas
>
> (News source, City File - from TOI , Dt. 5th July '99)

From: S.Shankar <>

Subject: Smell of steam

Date: 06 Jul 1999 11:41:33 -0500


Hello,
Remember the steam whistle and the unbeatable smell of coal when
travelling by steam hauled trains? If you have managed to experience it
in the very recent past,(eg. the group that went to Wankaner and Morbi),
then lucky, lucky you. I last caught the whiff of steam smoke and coal
burning way back in 1992, that too for a few moments only.

Actually, I sometimes used to wonder: despite all the hi tech razzmatazz
and advances in electronic imaging and computer manipulation, the smell
of burning coal from a steam engine is something that man has not been
able to duplicate as yet.

Using computers train-video producers can blacken smoke, produce more
smoke, produce clouds of white steam (like in the opening sequence of
teh National Geographic masterpiece THe Great Indian Railway).
Using spohisticated audio equipment, several types of steam whistles can
be duplicated (including some which I could swear never existed!),
The steam engine sound can be duplicated.
But not the smell!

The closest I have experienced is from an old tar boiler near my house
in Poona (Pune): some road works were going on, and the tar boiler was
being fed with wood. The smell of the smoke plus the boiling tar was
very close to a steam engine burning coal.

I have done a C-90 audio presentation on the wonders of steam.Wish you
could hear it sometime.
Best regards.
Shankar

PS: I am posting this message in a slightly modified form to the irfca:
think the boys might find this interesting.


Royston Ellis wrote:
>
> Dear Shankar:
> Thanks for your e-mail exclusively to me; I hope you find the latest
> (actually 1997) edition of India By Rail is interesting, when you
> eventually get it. I very much enjoy reading your mails to the group
and am
> learning so much from all the mails I am longing to incorporate my new
> knowledge in another edition, but probably not a for a couple of
years. Sri
> Lanka By Rail was published in 1994. Fortunately, we still have broad
gauge
> steam on special charters and since I live near the railway line (in
Sri
> Lanka) I thrill to the sound of its whistle and the smell of coal from
time
> to time.
> Best,
> Royston

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Jayabala...

Date: 06 Jul 1999 18:30:06 -0500


S.Shankar wrote:
>
> Hello,
> At last! ITs encouraging to note that some politician out there
actually
> does keep up his promises.
> I'm very happy for Jaybala. Despite the time lapse, and the fact that
I
> do not know this girl, nor have I seen her, something somewhere
snapped
> inside me, and I used to wonder what is to become of her.
> Well, thank goodness she has been provided for, though the poor thing
> probably has her life ruined in every other respect.
> I'll be the happiest man when I read that the bloke who pushed her out
> of a moving train for a few measly bucks had his legs cut off by a
> speeding local.
> Am I getting carried away? Well I do, when individuals ruin the lives
of
> others and throw all norms of human decency and humanity to the
windsfor
> their own petty gains.
>
> Good luck to Jaybala.
> Shankar



AAAAMEN!!!!



Tim

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: Filled steam sheds

Date: 06 Jul 1999 19:22:04 -0500


> I've seen one such pic in an overseas railway mag.The engine with the
> bright beam on was a WP at Delhi shed.

Hi Shankar,

I have this picture. It was a double spread in Steam Railways Mag. from
Britain. This pic can sure give you misty eyes. How I wish I was Mary
Poppins & jump into the picture to live it out.

On a similar lines there is another great evening shot of a WP with it's
headlights on at N.Delhi station in "India No Problem Sahib".

I have fond childhood memories of holidays in Nagpur where I would sit
for
hours together in awe at the steam shed in guard's line colony.

I am going to have A Happy Day Steam Dreaming - SAME TO YOU ALL.

Regards

Viraf~

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: Jayabala...

Date: 06 Jul 1999 19:44:15 -0500



Hi!

On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, S.Shankar wrote:

> I'll be the happiest man when I read that the bloke who pushed her out
> of a moving train for a few measly bucks had his legs cut off by a
> speeding local.

> Am I getting carried away? Well I do, when individuals ruin the lives
of
> others and throw all norms of human decency and humanity to the
windsfor
> their own petty gains.
> Good luck to Jaybala.

This must be the effect on your mindset after spending few years in law
abiding
gulf country, where it is heard that law is very hard on culprits.In
this case
there were 3 other ladies in the compartment but none had the guts or
rather
will to stop this madness happening in front of their eyes. Nor they
approached
the police authorities on the next station or later when they were asked
to come forward as witnesses.

Monday,TOI carried a photo of smart looking Jayabala, at her desk in
WR.office.

And TOI is to be specially Thanked by one & all because it was the
authorities
at TOI raised a fund with contributions from common masses for
Jayabala.And the
fund was something in tune of 10-15 lakhs, with initial contribution by
TOI.

Bye,

Shrinivas

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