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From: Raghavendra Rao <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 06:09:20 -0500


Thanks a billion for putting these photographs. Coincidentally
I was mentioning about the roundhouse in Mysore & also the
turntable to one of my friends here who is putting a turntable
in his layout. We can discuss with these pictures...

Its been a long time since I went to Mysore by train :-(..
Are all these structures still present?

Once again, Thanks a billion..

rags

Raghavendra Rao
Resident Manager
Wipro Optical Networks Projects

* Phone (ESN 39) 3-7377 External (613) 763-7377
* raghav@nortelnetworks.email
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Apurva Bahadur [SMTP:iti@vsnl.email
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:16 AM
> To: IRFCA
> Subject: Mysore locoshed webpage
>
> Gang !
>
> Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
>
> Go to:
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>
> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
>
> Apurva
>
>
>
>
>

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 06:11:26 -0500


Hello,
Apurva strikes again! And my, what an impressive set of photos!

I was in Mysore the last time in 1988.My last remembrance of the loco
shed was my kicking myself in disgust on not having my camera handy.

I saw the shed just as our train passed it: It was a magnificent site.
I was impressed by India's first and only roundhouse, and I think all
the sheds were full. Imagine twelve or thirteen YG/YPs staring you in
the face. It was a most magnificent sight, it lasted for barely a few
seconds, but that was enough to etch itself in my memory forever. I do
not think I will see another sight like that in a long long time. Even
if I had had my camera on hand, I don't think I'd have been able to
click it.

Another object in the foreground was the 2-car white and blue dmu, used
on the Bangalore-Yelahanka line.Both the cars were separate and on two
different lines. I subsequently saw this same dmu at Tambaram in 1992,
converted to a two car OHE inspection rake.

Hats off to you Apurva. I think Mysore station must be the friendliest
on the network and one of the pleasantest places to be in.

Best regards.

Shankar




Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
>
> Go to:
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>
> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
>
> Apurva

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Shame...

Date: 01 Jul 1999 06:28:39 -0500


Hi all,

>makes us hang our head in shame. A motorman was
>beaten up on previous night at Kasara stn. by a group of 5 commuters,
just
>because he refused to halt the train at Umbermali, an unofficial halt
This is heights of atrocity. Now what is CR going to do for
the
lost eye of the foreman. Forget the halts for the time being. These
___________ should be taught a lesson. They should not operate EMUs for
a
day on that section. Then they will realise its importance.

Kind regards,
Anand


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From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Horn on a stationary and moving locomotive

Date: 01 Jul 1999 07:12:27 -0500


Hello,
I do agree, thats called the Doppler effect, as you have mentioned.

But leaving technicalities aside, some horns can sound very pleasant
when heard even when the engine is stationary on when heard from a
relatively unchanged position, like from inside the train itself.
(rather than, and as opposed to, a situation when one is standing at a
fixed point and the engine rushes past, its horn sounding).(Doppler
effect).

To achieve a two-tone melody, some horn manufacturers provide a
different pitch to either of the horns. Hence, each horn trumpet gives
out a slightly different sound from the other.
Generally, both the horn trumpets sound at the same time, giving out
pleasant twin pitched sound.
Some drivers, by clever manipulation of the horn lever inside the cab,
manage to sound either horn individually, or one followed by the other.
Several WAM/4, WAG/5 and WCAM/1 engines do this, and the end result
sounds something like:
haaaaaaaaa poooooooom!
Is fascinating how many types of horn tones you can hear during the
course of your train journey, within such a short span. This is
especially true when the train is running at top speed through crowded
stations, and the horn blasts continuously.
Imagine, (I know its ridiculous to try and reproduce sounds in print,
but just imagine the scene in your mind)

What you hear is haaaaaaa haaaaaa pooooom, haaaa poooom,poooooom, poooom
haaaaaa haaaaaa, haaaaa pooooom
and then the twin blast in a long sequence.

The WCMs had very pleasant two tone horns, which sounded distinctly
shriller than those on the WAMs, or even the WCGs. Some of the drivers
on the Bombay-Poona line very ace musicians, so so it seems. Poona can
get quite cold in winter, the air is dense, and you can hear trains
quite far from the lineside. On still mornings or in the dead of night,
you can even hear the hum of the engine some 2 km away (like I used to
from my home in Model Colony, which is over 2km from the line).
If one concentrates, one can hear WCM drivers making real music with
their horns.
Rather than a monotonous pooooooom or haaaa, we used to hear
haaaaa pooooo pooooo haaaa pooooo
or things like that!

I used to be fascinated by the variety of sounds that emerge from the
horn trumpets of the YAM/1 engine. I've counted at least four or fi

Probably what has offended Dr. Saifullah is the member who mentioned the
WDM/2 horn while running and while stationary.
I had mentioned it in a different way in my post.

Actually, the WDM/2 has two types of horns: a rather mild 'front' horn,
and a real blaster, the 'rear' horn. (Appu, correct me if I'm wrong,
maybe its the other way round).

The blasting 'rear' horn is generally used at stations before starting,
and is normally not used on the run, except rarely.
ITs the milder 'front' horn that is usually universally used, by several
drivers even while starting.
Maybe thats what our dear member meant when he said horn while running
and horn while stationary.

Best regards.
Shankar

Dr. M S M Saifullah wrote:
>
> Gangmen!
>
> Someone recently mentioned about affinity to sound of the horn when
the
> locomotive is in stationary and when it is moving in the opinion poll
> thread. I think a crucial point related to science had been missed
there.
>
> In the case of a stationary locomotive, the sound of the horn which
the
> (stationary) listener will hear is going to be the same in terms of
its
> frequency and wavelength.
>
> When the locomotive is moving, both the sound and frequency of the
horn is
> going to change depending upon the position of the listener. If the
> locomotive is approaching the stationary listener, the frequency of
the
> sound will increase and the wavelength will decrease. And when the
> locomotive is going away from the stationary listener, the opposite is
> going to happen to both frequency and wavelength. This shift in the
> frequency (or wavelength) occuring due to one object moving from the
other
> is called Doppler shift. The term red shift is used when the frequency
> decreases (or wavelength increases) and the term blue shift is used
when
> the frequency increases (or wavelength decreases).
>
> So, as far as listener's admiration to the horn of the locomotive is
> concerned, it is dependent upon the speed of the locomotive and its
> direction and has little to do with the actual frequency of the horn
in the
> stationary state.
>
> Sorry for a boring tech material...
>
> Saifullah

From: Viral Desai <>

Subject: Risk of taking photography on railway property

Date: 01 Jul 1999 07:43:23 -0500


Check this article from Mid-day newspaper.Makes you wonder .
 
 
Mumbai, 1 Jul A MID-DAY photographer was brutally beaten up by the Kalyan railway police yesterday night.

Prashant Nakwe and Indian Express photographer Deepak Joshi got off at Kalyan station on their way home at around 11.30 pm yesterday.

Seeing a long queue of people on the platform, they thought it was due to the problem along the Central line yesterday morning. While they were clicking photographs of the scene, two plainclothes policemen walked up to them and asked them what they were doing.

When Nakwe replied he was a MID-DAY photographer, one cop grabbed his camera bag and started bashing him up. The other grabbed Joshi and started manhandling him.

Nakwe was seriously injured in the incident. His right eye is swollen badly and has bruises and swelling all over his body. His camera was badly smashed and his lens broken into three pieces.

The atrocity of the cops did not stop with this. The photographers were taken to the railway police station and beaten up again. They were then put in the railway lock up and were released at 4 am today.

‘‘They did not give us a chance to speak. Even before we could tell them why we were taking pictures, they started hitting us,’’ says Nakwe.

While the two were being beaten up, people thronged to see the spectacle. In fact, while they were being bashed up inside the police station, people climbed on to the windows to see them being abused, kicked and beaten up.

The two were alleged booked for ‘‘creating a commotion on the railway platform’’. Nowhere was it mentioned that they were taking pictures.

Sources say the policemen were irked because the line was for outstation booking, where black-marketeers allegedly work in cohorts with the railway police. ‘‘Out of fear that the two were taking pictures to expose the racket, the cops may have beat up these two,” they say.

Meanwhile, the Kalyan railway police are not willing to speak on the iisue. ‘‘Why do you want to write about it? It will unnecessarily blow up the whole issue. Just forget the thing ever happened,’’ said a railway official

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 08:45:01 -0500




> I saw the shed just as our train passed it: It was a magnificent site.
> I was impressed by India's first and only roundhouse, and I think all
> the sheds were full.

Thanks for the kind comments Shankar, I think Madurai also has a
roundhouse.

>
> Hats off to you Apurva. I think Mysore station must be the friendliest
> on the network and one of the pleasantest places to be in.

MYS is one of the best places to go to: clean, simple, civilized and non
corrupt.
Which other place would the TC offer to look after your luggage so that
you could have
your 'tiffin' ? Which other place in India would the station
superintendent personally
ask you what the purpose of our visit to MYS was and he then personally
saw that we
got the retiring room and the return ticket. And we were not passengers
descending
from the executive class of the Shatabdi express, we were in the second
class ordinary
passengers from the Arsikere - Mysore Passenger.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 08:45:34 -0500


Thanks Rags, there may be more MYS pictures coming up soon.

Apurva

Raghavendra Rao wrote:

> Thanks a billion for putting these photographs. Coincidentally
> I was mentioning about the roundhouse in Mysore & also the
> turntable to one of my friends here who is putting a turntable
> in his layout. We can discuss with these pictures...
>
> Its been a long time since I went to Mysore by train :-(..
> Are all these structures still present?
>
> Once again, Thanks a billion..
>
> rags
>
> Raghavendra Rao
> Resident Manager
> Wipro Optical Networks Projects
>
> * Phone (ESN 39) 3-7377 External (613) 763-7377
> * raghav@nortelnetworks.email
> * 1285 Baseline Road
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K2C 0A7
> SKY, Mailstop 045/54/E04
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Apurva Bahadur [SMTP:iti@vsnl.email
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:16 AM
> > To: IRFCA
> > Subject: Mysore locoshed webpage
> >
> > Gang !
> >
> > Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
> >
> > Go to:
> > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
> >
> > and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
> >
> > Apurva
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

From: Mike Brooker <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 09:07:42 -0500


>Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>>
>> Gang !
>>
>> Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
>>
>> Go to:
>> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>>
>> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
>>
>> Apurva
>
>
>I wish I could see this. Tripod tells me the page does not exist and
>sends me to their homepage. But when I try your other thumbnails they
>work fine. Anyone else have this problem?
>
>Tim

YES! I tried the Mysore link and got the same message, but the rest of
the
page seemed to work OK.

********************************************************************
Mike Brooker
99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
CANADA
(416) 536-7406
********************************************************************

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 09:46:10 -0500


I do not know what is going on. I created a new account in the afternoon
(iloverails)
on Tripod and uploaded the Mysore pics. I checked that it was working,
Shankar saw it
in from Dubai and Rags saw it from Canada. Now Tripod tells me that
there is no user
of that name. Doesn't matter. I would reupload all the stuff tomorrow.

Apurva


Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:

> Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >
> > Gang !
> >
> > Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
> >
> > Go to:
> > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
> >
> > and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
> >
> > Apurva
>
> I wish I could see this. Tripod tells me the page does not exist and
> sends me to their homepage. But when I try your other thumbnails they
> work fine. Anyone else have this problem?
>
> Tim

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 11:38:08 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
>
> Go to:
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
>
> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
>
> Apurva


I wish I could see this. Tripod tells me the page does not exist and
sends me to their homepage. But when I try your other thumbnails they
work fine. Anyone else have this problem?

Tim

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 12:08:20 -0500


Mike Brooker wrote:
>
> >Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> >>
> >> Gang !
> >>
> >> Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
> >>
> >> Go to:
> >> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
> >>
> >> and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
> >>
> >> Apurva
> >
> >
> >I wish I could see this. Tripod tells me the page does not exist and
> >sends me to their homepage. But when I try your other thumbnails they
> >work fine. Anyone else have this problem?
> >
> >Tim
>
> YES! I tried the Mysore link and got the same message, but the rest
of the
> page seemed to work OK.
>
> ********************************************************************
> Mike Brooker
> 99 Wychcrest Ave.,
> Toronto, ON M6G 3X8
> CANADA
> (416) 536-7406
> ********************************************************************
Maybe its just us westerners!

Tim

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 12:18:15 -0500


Hello,
I guess I was just plain lucky to have a visual feast when I did, thanks
to our dear Appu.
I tried the site again now,(Dubai:1/7/99:2325 hrs), and I too get the
same 'no user by that name' message.
Yes APurva, do re-load it all again tomorrow.
Talking of which, I haven't been able to peruse the scanner ever since I
connected it last week. Was too busy at the office.
I'll try and explore it maybe tomorrow.
Thanks again, Appu.
And just for the record, my special thanks to dear Shyama for doing a
great job on the photography.Both of you do make quite a fine team.
Best regards.
Shankar




Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> I do not know what is going on. I created a new account in the
afternoon (iloverails)
> on Tripod and uploaded the Mysore pics. I checked that it was working,
Shankar saw it
> in from Dubai and Rags saw it from Canada. Now Tripod tells me that
there is no user
> of that name. Doesn't matter. I would reupload all the stuff tomorrow.
>
> Apurva
>
> Tim & Anita Wakeman wrote:
>
> > Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> > >
> > > Gang !
> > >
> > > Check out my Mysore loco shed page.
> > >
> > > Go to:
> > > <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/">http://members.tripod.com/ApuB/</A>
> > >
> > > and click on the Mysore shed link right at the end.
> > >
> > > Apurva
> >
> > I wish I could see this. Tripod tells me the page does not exist and
> > sends me to their homepage. But when I try your other thumbnails
they
> > work fine. Anyone else have this problem?
> >
> > Tim

From: Shankar <>

Subject: [Fwd: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 12:19:13 -0500

From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Mysore locoshed webpage

Date: 01 Jul 1999 13:21:25 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> I do not know what is going on. I created a new account in the
afternoon (iloverails)
> on Tripod and uploaded the Mysore pics. I checked that it was working,
Shankar saw it
> in from Dubai and Rags saw it from Canada. Now Tripod tells me that
there is no user
> of that name. Doesn't matter. I would reupload all the stuff tomorrow.
>
> Apurva


Thanks buddy! This will be very much appreciated.

Tim

From: Tony Bailey <>

Subject: Re: Geometry and IR

Date: 01 Jul 1999 14:53:07 -0500



-----Original Message-----
From: hvc <champa@del3.email


.
>Any way I don't think that a bend can be technically 360 degrees also
so it
>is better to leave the degrees out of that.
>

How about a spiral?

Tony bailey

From: Dr. M S M Saifullah <>

Subject: Re: Horn on a stationary and moving locomotive

Date: 01 Jul 1999 18:18:49 -0500


At 11:12 pm +0900 1/7/99, Shankar wrote:

Gangmen!

>Probably what has offended Dr. Saifullah is the member who mentioned
the
>WDM/2 horn while running and while stationary.
>I had mentioned it in a different way in my post.

Well, I did not get offended :) It was just a small yet important piece
of
information that got missed.

Saifullah

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: Geometry and IR

Date: 01 Jul 1999 20:09:22 -0500


> .
> >Any way I don't think that a bend can be technically 360 degrees also
so it
> >is better to leave the degrees out of that.
> >
>
> How about a spiral?
>
> Tony bailey

For those not in the US, one of the most famous railfanning sites
here is Tehachapi loop. At one point the track rises 200 ft by
making a complete loop over itself by running around a small hill.
Since the approach tracks on
either end also curve around this hill, the whole "bend" is nearly 600
degrees.

--
Anniepoo
Need loco motors?
<A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: makke ki roti

Date: 01 Jul 1999 20:13:45 -0500


Amazed to read of corn bread in India.

I'm used to a diet with a fair amount of corn, being from
the part of the US where it's grown. In India I miss it.

One day I spied some dried corn in a vendor's stall in Calcutta,
and of course bought a big bag. Took it home and tried to
boil it -
It turned out to be popcorn.

--
Anniepoo
Need loco motors?
<A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>

From: hvc <>

Subject: Re: makke ki roti

Date: 01 Jul 1999 20:50:52 -0500


I don't know if your corn is same as ours. We also call it maize so to
speak,
the same pocorn that you bought. Also known as Indian corn.

Corn-bread may not be technically correct but I don't know what you will
call `Makke ki Roti' as.

Harsh



-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email
To: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
Cc: hvc <hvc@vsnl.email IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 7:22 PM
Subject: makke ki roti


>Amazed to read of corn bread in India.
>
>I'm used to a diet with a fair amount of corn, being from
>the part of the US where it's grown. In India I miss it.
>
>One day I spied some dried corn in a vendor's stall in Calcutta,
>and of course bought a big bag. Took it home and tried to
>boil it -
>It turned out to be popcorn.
>
>--
>Anniepoo
>Need loco motors?
><A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html">http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html</A>
>

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Re: makke ki roti

Date: 01 Jul 1999 21:15:41 -0500



Hi!

On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Anne Ogborn wrote:

> Amazed to read of corn bread in India.

Possibly Annie is quite aware of Indian things, but still felt like
making it
clear, for others in group ,this is not exactly a bread-loaf or sliced
but
this is a chapati made of corn flour. After kneeding it to perfection &
spread
on palms of a expert cooks hand or by rolling pin. Then roasted in chula
or
wood fire. Or in modern homes on gas burners. But it tastes best on wood
fire!

Bye,

Shrinivas

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