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From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: MCT - ADI SHATABDI EXP.

Date: 25 May 1999 02:40:34 -0500


On Tue, 25 May 1999, hvc wrote:

>
> >Appu, my collegue before he joined Godrej had a workshop in Vapi and
he
> >used to commute everyday by taking 9215 - Saurashtra Exp. dept.7.45
arr.
> >Vapi 11.20. or 9023 - Firozpur Janta Exp. dept.7.25 arr. Vapi 10.57.
> >
> >On his return the only choice was 9024 - Firozpur Janta Exp. dept.
Vapi
> >16.48 arr. Dadar 20.05. If he missed this train then he prefered to
stay
> >back in Vapi rather than catch 46 - passenger which would arr. in
Bandra
> >Terminus at 20.50 hrs (if running right time).
> >
>
>
> Is the 9024 so punctual that a daily traveller can bank on it?
> But on second thoughts perhaps trains like the Janta, Dehradun and
Amritsar
> Dadar Exp. run more for the MST holders than for long distance
travellers.
>
> Harsh
>
Yes Harsh the train is a PUNCTUAL LATE RUNNER but then thats the reason
why the daily (MST holding) commuters are able to catch this train.

Viraf

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: Re: MLR steam loco.

Date: 25 May 1999 02:52:07 -0500


>
> Matheran is 2'0" gauge and only the O&K tanks can work there because
of the
> tight curves. As far as I remember, you only broke the news that the
Parel
> MLR loco has been sold to a UK preservation group.
>
> All this is very confusing?!!? Can you pls help by emailing the whole
> article if possible.


Harsh & all,

I have recently received some news about this MLR preserved loco in
England which I would share with you all tomorrow. I don't have the
letter
here at work.

As of emailing my previous mail on MLR, SORRY Harsh since I have deleted
it. Does anyone on the list has this mail?

Viraf

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Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
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From: Iain A Fraser <>

Subject: Re: book -- steam photos

Date: 25 May 1999 04:15:35 -0500


Hi....

The Strickland book was published a few years ago and was remaindered
(sold off cheap) quite a while back.....it still turns up on occasion
but
the quality of the print run was very patchy (in my opinion) and if you
find
one you may find some of the photos are very pale or grey. The
publication
didn't do full justice
to Stricklands excellent photographs....a great shame. If you find a
decent
copy
well worth a place on the shelf......

Regards

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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: MCT - ADI SHATABDI EXP.

Date: 25 May 1999 04:39:31 -0500


As far as I know, a day train like Karnavati / Deccan Queen/
Sinhagad/ Pragati which leaves MCT in the morning and return
by the late night does not exist. The trains that Viraf has
listed are long distance trains. Now I know why the Gujrath
bound trains have a bad name, the Valsad/ Vapi types crowd the
sleeper bogies. In contrast Pune has 3 trains in the morning
for Mumbai, so people do not have to take the long distance
trains like 7032 Up Hyderabad Mumbai Express or the 6012 Up
Chennai - CSTM Express.

Apurva

hvc wrote:

> >Appu, my collegue before he joined Godrej had a workshop in Vapi and
he
> >used to commute everyday by taking 9215 - Saurashtra Exp. dept.7.45
arr.
> >Vapi 11.20. or 9023 - Firozpur Janta Exp. dept.7.25 arr. Vapi 10.57.
> >
> >On his return the only choice was 9024 - Firozpur Janta Exp. dept.
Vapi
> >16.48 arr. Dadar 20.05. If he missed this train then he prefered to
stay
> >back in Vapi rather than catch 46 - passenger which would arr. in
Bandra
> >Terminus at 20.50 hrs (if running right time).
> >
>
> Is the 9024 so punctual that a daily traveller can bank on it?
> But on second thoughts perhaps trains like the Janta, Dehradun and
Amritsar
> Dadar Exp. run more for the MST holders than for long distance
travellers.
>
> Harsh

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Sightings

Date: 25 May 1999 05:15:09 -0500


Gang !

Just to list the sightings I had today morning.
 

1014 Up Coimbatore - Kurla Express (0845 Hrs) at Khadki level crossing. The WCAM 3 21946 hauled the train from Shivaji Nagar end with speeds excess of 80 Kmph, quite an impressive sight and sounds, the WCAM 3 horn sounded throughout the curve leading the level crossing till the train was out of site on the Dapodi bridge. The WCAM 3 had the traditional colours (Cream with blue stripes, which tend to emphasise the bus like look of the powerful and sophisticated locos - DC traction does not have to be primitive technology !)
Lonavala - Pune EMU pulling into Khadki station and subsequent departure while the level crossing gate was still closed. I was amazed on how quiet the EMU is. It almost creeps up on the rail without any warning at all. The level crossing gate was closed for over 20 minutes, I got late for an appointment, but it was well worth the wait.
On the way back 1007 Dn. Deccan Express with screaming WCG 2 # 20136 was waiting at Khadki platform 1. The train was late (it was 1130 hrs - the time it should have been at Pune) but waited at a small station like Khadki for over 15 minutes. When it started, it did not move faster than 25 Kmph, maybe in anticipation of the stop after 4 Kms at Shivajinagar.
After the late and slow departure of the Deccan Express toward Pune, another LNL - PA EMU came on to the Khadki platform.
On the Sangam bridge I saw a WDM 2 creeping slowly towards Shivajinagar with a BCN load. It must have left Pune Up yard and sighted the Shivaji Nagar distant signal at danger, so was very slow. But as the loco left the bridge, the signal aspect changed to clear through the middle Up line and the driver responded with slamming the throttle fully open. The Alco gave an outstanding display of rich black smoke (the clouds with the oily black boiling texture) to force the sluggish BCN rake (which was an empty cement special) into a scurry. The smokescreen blocked out the view of the rest of train, with the loco and the rake appearing charging through the black cloud. It is rare for a WDM 2 to be so impressive. The overcast gloomy weather of Pune helped to preserve the smoke for a long time. Alas I had no camera at hand to shoot a picture which would have easily won the Wormald Open (which is an international contest about the smokiest Alco in the world, details on <<A HREF="http://www.celorio.com/>">http://www.celorio.com/></A> ). The prize performer loco was the WDM 2, 17158 of the SCR, the shed details were not clear, but from the defaced look of the shed insignia this was one of the displaced Gooty locos which now home at Guntakal and are yet to receive a fresh coat of paint.
Orange and Yellow WCAM 3 hauling in the nondescript 7307 Koyna Express at its correct time between S'Nagar and Sangam, as the bridge approached the single yellow Pune distant changed to double yellow, so the driver accelerated the train onto the bridge.

One observation: An electrical company (whose switches I use) uses CBE in their address on the carton instead of Coimbatore. It is great to see railway station codes being adapted in non railway areas.

From: C.L.Zeni <>

Subject: Re: Sightings

Date: 25 May 1999 05:23:35 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> Gang !
>
> Just to list the sightings I had today morning.

Photos! We want photos!!

Please?
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From: Sachin P Keshavan <>

Subject: Brakes

Date: 25 May 1999 06:34:44 -0500


Hi all,
In the Diesel Loco's console, I have seen a guage which has got two
hands
and looks similar to a clock (from a distance). Later I came to know
that is
shows the readings of some thing like brake pipe pressure and break
cylinder
pressure. The brake pipe is that rubber pipe which runs from the engine
to
the guards box, but what are the brake cylinders and where is it
located?

Thanks,
Sachin.
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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: MCT - ADI SHATABDI EXP. (solution)

Date: 25 May 1999 09:03:47 -0500




>From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
>To: hvc <hvc@vsnl.email
>CC: "VIRAF P.. MULLA" <sncf@godrej.email IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: Re: MCT - ADI SHATABDI EXP.
>Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:09:31 +0530
>
>As far as I know, a day train like Karnavati / Deccan Queen/
>Sinhagad/ Pragati which leaves MCT in the morning and return
>by the late night does not exist. The trains that Viraf has
>listed are long distance trains. Now I know why the Gujrath
>bound trains have a bad name, the Valsad/ Vapi types crowd the
>sleeper bogies. In contrast Pune has 3 trains in the morning
>for Mumbai, so people do not have to take the long distance
>trains like 7032 Up Hyderabad Mumbai Express or the 6012 Up
>Chennai - CSTM Express.
>
>Apurva
>
>

I agree with Apurva that lack of a decent ADI-bound morning train
from Mumbai (apart from the Gujarat exp.) has put undue pressure on
the Shatabdi and forced all these halts. There is a need for another
train that can take care of Vapi, Valsad, etc. Here is my solution
along with the proposed new train between Mumbai Central and
Kalka/Jammu Tawi.

1. New train between Bandra and Kalka/Jammu Tawi via Vadodara,
Ahmadabad, Jodhpur, Bikaner, Hanumangarh, Bathinda. Dep. Bandra
~7.00 am, arr. Kalka ~7.00 pm next day. Dep. Kalka ~9.00 am,
arr. Mumbai ~9.00 pm next day. Halts - Borivali, Vapi,
Valsad, Navsari, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Nadiad,
Ahmadabad, ......

Let this be a 21 coach train between Bandra and ADI with 6-7 coaches
getting detached/attached at Ahmadabad. The rest of the
train would go between Ahmadabad and Kalka/Jammu Tawi. This train
would not only provide a day service between Mumbai and Ahmadabad
around the Shatabdi slot but provide relief to the existing Bandra-
Bikaner exp. In addition, it would be the first direct train between
Mumbai and Kalka.

2. Speed-up the Shatabdi exp. by 25-30 mts. and eliminate Vapi,
Bharuch, Anand and Nadiad from its halt list.

Comments?

Vijay
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From: Tim & Anita Wakeman <>

Subject: Re: Brakes

Date: 25 May 1999 12:11:41 -0500


Sachin P Keshavan wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> In the Diesel Loco's console, I have seen a guage which has got two
hands
> and looks similar to a clock (from a distance). Later I came to know
that is
> shows the readings of some thing like brake pipe pressure and break
cylinder
> pressure. The brake pipe is that rubber pipe which runs from the
engine to
> the guards box, but what are the brake cylinders and where is it
located?
>
> Thanks,
> Sachin.
> *******************************************
> Sachin P Keshavan,
> E mail: sachin_pk@hotmail.email
> Pager: 9624 - 285433
> Phone: +91 - 80- 3314500
> Home page: <A HREF="http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk">http://209.67.19.99/~sachin_pk</A>
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> Remember, future remains .....
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Sachin,

What you were probably looking at was the brake pressure gauge.One
needle is the train line cylinder pressure,the other is the locomotive
air pressure.The cylinders that store the air are usually under the
cars.Hopper type cars or dump cars would have them on the ends.When the
driver applies the air,the pressure decreases on the gauge,and the
needles will drop showing him or her how many pounds per square
inch,(PSI),he is using.Pass. trains in the US are requiered to have
90lbs stored before moving.Frieghts are 70lbs.The reason it shows both
train and loco brake pressure is because each can be controlled on its
own or together.When a driver applies the automatic,(train brake),the
brakes will apply on the entire train,including the loco.There is what
is called an independent brake for the loco.By pushing the lever down
the driver can release the loco brakes and still maintain train brakes
thus creating smoother operation and less brake wear on the loco.When he
"kicks off" the air,pressure is gradually restored by the air pumps on
the loco.A full application or "dumping the air"on the automatic will
send all of the air out and put the train in "emergency" bringing it to
a complete stop very quickly.This also occurs if someone on the train
"pulls the cord" that hangs in the passenger cars.I learned that this
happens quite often in India.The driver then has to reset his brakes and
"charge" the trainline until pressure is restored.The longer the train
the longer this prosses takes.

I hope this helps a little. Tim

From: S Pai <>

Subject: Re: book -- steam photos

Date: 25 May 1999 15:06:22 -0500



Thanks for the additional information. The particular copy I saw
seemed to have reasonably good print quality for all the photographs,
at least all the India/Nepal/Pakistan ones.

Harsh said:

> I am glad that someone like Keith is still interested in the aura and
romance
> of B&W pictures towards the end of the millennium.

Indeed. B&W pictures do seem to have a mystique of their own. (No
doubt the tendency to use very low-speed, fine-grained film for B&W
photos also helps; the contrast variations that results are much more
appealing than in most colour pictures.)

Thanks for the address of the author; I'll drop him a complimentary
note.

--Satish

From: VIRAF P.. MULLA <>

Subject: PRESERVED MLR STEAM.

Date: 25 May 1999 19:33:33 -0500



Hello Harsh & gang,

Here is the list of the preserved steam locos of the Matheran Light
Railway. They are all 0-6-0T ML class.

1. 738 preserved in Parel Loco works now off to Gwalior.

2. 739 preserved in National Rail Transport Museum Delhi.

3. 741 preserved and plinthed at Matheran Station.

4. 740 in UK.

My friend Mr. Jal Daboo in UK informs me in his recent letter -

REGARDING THE MATHERAN STEAM LOCO IN UK IT IS DEFINITELY NO.740, AND
BELONGS TO THE SCIENCE MUSEUM. AFTER LANGUISHING IN UK WITHOUT ANY
PROGRESS ON RESTORATION, IN 1997 IT ENDED UP ON THE LEIGHTON BUZZARD
RAILWAY. THERE IT WAS STRIPPED DOWN, THE BOILER REMOVED AND THE FRAMES
TAKEN OFF THE WHEELS. VARIOUS PARTS INCLUDING A NEW BUNKER HAD TO BE
MADE.
THE LATEST NEWS IS THAT THE FRAMES HAVE BEEN REMOUNTED ON THE WHEELS,
AND
THE BOILER (STILL WITHOUT TUBES) HAS PASSED IT'S EXAMINATION AND
PRESSURE
TEST. FURTHER WORK WILL CONTINUE, AND IT IS STILL ON SCHEDULE FOR
STEAMING
IN 10 MONTHS TIME.


THERE IS ANOTHER INDIAN 2' O"gLOCO IN A DISMANTLED STATE AT THE LEIGHTON
BUZZARD RAILWAY. IT IS 4-6-0T BALDWIN WORKS NO.44656/1917. ACCORDING TO
VARIOUS SOURCES INCLUDING HUGHES INDIAN LOCOS PARTS 3, IT WAS PART OF A
WAR DEPT ORDER FOR 50 LOCOS. AFTER SERVING IN FRANCE, IT WENT TO INDIA
AS
PART OF THE MILITARY RESERVE. IN 1930 IT WAS STILL IN NWR STOCK. LATER
WAS
AT UPPER INDIA SUGAR MILLS AT KHATAULI.

Mr.Daboo has written an article about the first GIP electrification
which
will appear in the next BORHT Journal.

Have a nice day.

Viraf

==========================
Viraf Mulla
C-20/14, Jeevan Bima Nagar,
Borivali (West)
Mumbai 400103
Tel: +91-22-8954510
E-mail: sncf@godrej.email
==========================

From: Vdate <>

Subject: Re: Latest on the Barsi Light

Date: 25 May 1999 20:11:28 -0500


BLUR was more known for the favoritism it showed to the freight traffic
which
indeed was its chief revenue source.

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Construction Indian Engineers

Date: 25 May 1999 20:52:52 -0500


Little known "Indian" railway -
Fallen into my hands is a slim volume, "The RAF Masirah Railway",
by WJL Corser. It is a quite racist history of the narrow gauge
Decauville
railway that serviced the RAF station on Masirah island off the
coast of Yemen.

During WWII they had an extensive 24" railway, operated by
men identified only as "natives" or "native labor". I assumed
they were Yemeni men, and was suprised that they wore pugrees -
the turban being a common garment throughout the world, but
the particular folding of the pugree being, I thought, specificly
Indian.
My curiousity was much heightened when I found this note:

All the following personnel were evacuated from the island prior to
the monsoon on SS Barjara;
Capt. Inglis, Indian Pioneers; Capt. Ponisowsky, RE construction;
2... Companies of Indian Pioneers; Thirty Railway Construction
Indian Engineers.

and shortly below that

A British WO, 5 Indian Railway Drivers, and 30 native railway
maintainence party
are working the Decauville Railway efficiently.

So, does anyone on this list know anything more of these Indian
Railway Construction Engineers, pioneers, drivers, and so on?

From: S Pai <>

Subject: URL for FAQ

Date: 25 May 1999 21:23:11 -0500



Hi,

I've been alerted that some web browsers will automatically pick up the
"list" and other such specially-named pages in a directory, so when they
are aimed at the URL I sent out, all that is shown is a page of ads.
Try
the more specific URL below:

<A HREF="http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/syria/716/index.html">http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/syria/716/index.html</A>

(i.e., specifically include the "index.html" page in the URL)

or use "faq-base.html" instead of "index.html" in the above. That
should
work.

--Satish

From: Jackie Castle <>

Subject: Re: Construction Indian Engineers

Date: 25 May 1999 23:36:44 -0500


This is a bit of lateral thinking but........

In the early part of the 20th century the Bengal Miners & Sappers
Company
was set up. In 1901 the company consisted of 27 lococs, 230 wagons, 30
brake
vans and 140 miles of track stored at various places, mostly on the
North
western Frontier. By 1907, a permant barracks were built at Quetta. In
1909
the Corps consisted of 50 men, of who 35 were engine drivers, 3 station
masters, 1 traffic inspector and 11 guards who were "enlisted from
Railway
companies (I assume the NWR) to be paid 12 annas per diem". A later
report
on the company (sadly undated) stated the company consisted of : 5
officers,
1 company sgt major, 1 pay corparal, 2 tailors, 1 boot maker, 1 co.
cook, 6
engine drivers, 6 firemen, 9 guards, 9 station masters, 9 asst station
masters and telegraphists, 9 pointmen and signal men, 1 running shed
foreman, 3 fitters, 1 boiler maker, 9 smiths, 14 hammer menm 2 cleaners,
2
carriage greasers, 9 carpenters, 2 foreman platelayers, 9 leading hands,
18
platelayers and 2 buglers.

This is the last reference that I can find about this regiment in the
India
Office archives - I know that in the 1920's the regiment received a
number
of ex WW1 Motor Rails but little else is known.

I assume that these men came from a later incarnation of this regiment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: 26 May 1999 04:55
Subject: Construction Indian Engineers


>Little known "Indian" railway -
> Fallen into my hands is a slim volume, "The RAF Masirah Railway",
>by WJL Corser. It is a quite racist history of the narrow gauge
Decauville
>railway that serviced the RAF station on Masirah island off the
>coast of Yemen.
>
> During WWII they had an extensive 24" railway, operated by
>men identified only as "natives" or "native labor". I assumed
>they were Yemeni men, and was suprised that they wore pugrees -
>the turban being a common garment throughout the world, but
>the particular folding of the pugree being, I thought, specificly
>Indian.
> My curiousity was much heightened when I found this note:
>
>All the following personnel were evacuated from the island prior to
>the monsoon on SS Barjara;
>Capt. Inglis, Indian Pioneers; Capt. Ponisowsky, RE construction;
>2... Companies of Indian Pioneers; Thirty Railway Construction
>Indian Engineers.
>
>and shortly below that
>
>A British WO, 5 Indian Railway Drivers, and 30 native railway
maintainence
party
>are working the Decauville Railway efficiently.
>
>So, does anyone on this list know anything more of these Indian
>Railway Construction Engineers, pioneers, drivers, and so on?
>

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: I am going to Madras

Date: 25 May 1999 23:47:41 -0500



Hi gang,
At the outset a big sorry from me to all my friends for not being there
on
the mail for such a long time, but could not help as things were bad at
work. Well I am pushing off to Madras by 1063 DN Dadar Madras Chennai
Express. It is the best train available and this time I am going by 2nd
class and my wife is accompanying me, and with the heat on I will be
perspiring a lot for making her travel in 2nd class !! Summer rush !
tkts
not available ! simple excuse to travel in summer season !

Fun as it would be I am just thinking if I am able to stay awake on the
pune - sholapur run and enjoy the non stop ride. I am in S-9 coach,
which
means only at Pune and at Renigunta will I be able to go near the loco
and
see a loco change. ELECTRIC (DC)- DIESEL- ELECTRIC (AC)
The group is invited to send their interesting observations which I can
see at wayside stns at Pune- Wadi - Guntakul - Gooty- Cuddapah and
Renigunta. On my previous two visits I got a WAP 4 from Ghaziabad and
once on 6011 got a WAM 4 from Arakkonam Jn.
The 1063dn from Mumbai will be announced as 1063 up from wadi onwards
and
upto chennai. Similarly on return from Wadi it will run as 1064 up and
upto Wadi as 1064dn. Fascinating as to the ways the railways run ! No
wonder I am a fan of this railway system and so are u all !
I am also planning to take a trip to Bangalore by shatabdi and return by
Lalbagh express. Hope I am able to do this sector.

I am also interested in travelling by elevated railway, provided one of
you friends send me the details. On the local scene I only know the
Madras Beach - Tambaram MG section, via Egmore. But I believe there is
one
local line from Central to ???? and this elevated line. Do we have
anyone from this fan club based in Madras. If yes it would be great fun
meeting someone from our group. I want to know the starting stn of this
elevated rly and the end. I will be close to Egmore and Central stns.

Your tips pls.

Coming to the regular mails that I have been reading MCT- ADI Shatabdi
is
the slowest Shatabdi in this country. The problem is Gujrat Express is
a
daily travellers train for Boisar and further. The crowd is really vv
rowdy in this train and so the pressure is on Shatabdi. When it started
the shatabdi was a treat to travel on with twin WDM 2's heading it.
Then
came the ugly looking WCAM 1 which should be in totality scrapped. and
now it is WCAM 2P !! How is it that The only superfast train to ADI has
been allowed to deteriorate its service and punctuality. I stay at
Borivali and most of the time this train is running 20/25 mins late.
Seriously something must be done to save this Shatabdi. What could it
be ? A Swarna Shatabdi on the lines of Delhi Amritsar ? Do our tracks
permit such a fast train. IMHO it is the politicians who are
responsible
for increase in no of halts of the 2009 dn.

On a recent trip to
Surat I was informed that earlier there used to be a lot of demand for
2472 up superfast on the days that it used to run, but now with an
evening
train like Shatabdi the 2472 is used less and the officials at Surat
actually propose to the afternoon passengers to use Swaraj Exp rather
than
using an ordinary train. This has added to an increased load of
passengers on 2009 dn.

I suggest that a train to ADI be started from MCT at 6.50 so that it can
reach ADI in 7hrs and return the prestigious Shatabdi to its normal
status. On the return this train can Start from ADI at 3.30pm and reach
Mumbai by 10.30 pm.

Feedback pls !













PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Slow Shatabdi

Date: 26 May 1999 00:08:27 -0500


"poras p.saklatwalla" wrote:

> Coming to the regular mails that I have been reading MCT- ADI Shatabdi
is
> the slowest Shatabdi in this country....

This dubious distinction, I suspect, ought to go
to the NDLS-Dehradun Shatabdi ?

--
JS
--

From: Anand Krishnan <>

Subject: Re: Sightings

Date: 26 May 1999 01:56:16 -0500


Hi all,
Further to Apurva's sightings, i wish to tell u all here that
there
was a similar impressive show by a Pune WDM2 last week when it pulled
the
B'lore-Hyd-NDLS Rajdhani out of the Begumpet station. Its quite unusual
firstly,that it was a WDM2, secondly, that too from Pune (usually it is
the
Gooty/Guntakal/KZJ ones that do the duty) hauled this prestigious
train.
The other pleasing thing was the uniformity in the typical Rajdhani
livery.
This loco had some green white stripes on the side, underneath the
window,
and had "Fit for Air Brake" written on it.

>CBE is used quite frequently in Coimbatore for whatever reason. The
>erstwhile
>Cheran Transport Corp (now called RTC division N or something to that
>effect),
>used 191/CBE to identify the fleet homed in Coimbatore.
>
Its a very good observation. Infact Chengalpattu has CPT as a
common
code for railways and road transport. Its MAS for Chennai both for
railways
and Airlines. I am not too sure it has been changed after "Madras"
became
"Chennai".


Regds,
Anand


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From: hvc <>

Subject: FAQ - Trivia : More update.

Date: 26 May 1999 05:51:40 -0500


>Longest run (distance) :

>[5/99] Broad Gauge: The Himsagar Express (between Kanyakumari and Jammu >Tawi, train #6318) has the longest run in terms of distance (and time, see above) on >IR -- it covers a distance of 3751km in 74 hours and 55 minutes.

>The second longest run in distance is by the Navyug Express (between Jammu Tawi >and Mangalore) over 3645km.

 

According to my Calculations: Himsagar Exp. is 3744 Km. (Jammu Tawi to Jallundhar Cannt = 222 Km, Jallundhar Cantt. to Ludhiana = 52 Km, Ludhiana to Jakhal = 129 Km, Jakhal to Delhi Jn. = 200 Km, Delhi Jn. to Kaniya Kumari = 3141 Km). 

Navyug Exp. is 3636 Km. (Jammu Tawi to Jallundhar Cannt = 222 Km, Jallundhar Cantt. to Ludhiana = 52 Km, Ludhiana to Jakhal = 129 Km, Jakhal to Delhi Jn. = 200 Km, Delhi Jn. to Manglore = 3033 Km).

Trivendrum Guwahati Exp. covers 3581 Kms. 

>Note: The Himsagar express also runs between the northernmost and southernmost >stations in the country, and passes through 4 zones (SR, SCR, CR, NR). It also >possibly crosses the largest number of states (TN, Kerala, AP, Maharashtra, MP, UP, >Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, Jammu & Kashmir).

Pls add the State of Delhi to the above.

One New entry could be the longest distance covered by a stopping passenger train on IR. My candidates are the Vishakhapatnam - Kirandul 1/2 VK passenger on BG which covers 473 Km in 15 Hrs 25 Min. in DN direction. The 9671/2 Ajmer Khandwa fast passenger on MG covers 633 Km  in 21 Hrs. 40 Min. in UP direction.


Northernmost railway station: Jammu Tawi. However, a new line is being built >from here to Udhampur, which will make it the northernmost.

The new BG line is planned upto Baramulla which is beyond Srinagar and the Northern most station will be somewhere in between the two as and when it is built. Till then it is Jammu Tawi.

 

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: I am going to Madras

Date: 26 May 1999 07:58:02 -0500


>
>Fun as it would be I am just thinking if I am able to stay awake on the
>pune - sholapur run and enjoy the non stop ride. I am in S-9 coach,

I hope this does not spoil your fun but the ride is not non-stop -
the Chennai exp. stops for 1-2 crossings in between. Have to check
my CR WTT for the details.


which
>means only at Pune and at Renigunta will I be able to go near the loco
and
>see a loco change. ELECTRIC (DC)- DIESEL- ELECTRIC (AC)
>The group is invited to send their interesting observations which I can
>see at wayside stns at Pune- Wadi - Guntakul - Gooty- Cuddapah and
>Renigunta. On my previous two visits I got a WAP 4 from Ghaziabad and
>once on 6011 got a WAM 4 from Arakkonam Jn.

Here are some things to look forward to -
1. Crossing the double-headed Karnataka exp. just before Gulbarga.
If you are lucky, you may meet this train at Gulbarga itself.

2. Crossing the double-headed Udyan Exp. just after Wadi. Again if
your train is late by 15-20 mts. and the Udyan is on time, you will
meet this train at Wadi itself.

3. Doubling in progress between Daund and Gangapur Rd. (anything
happening here?)

4. Electrification in progress between Guntakal and Renigunta (have
the poles been laid out?)

5. Crossing the Chennai-Tirupati Exp. between Renigunta and Arakkonam
- this train should be a Push-Pull rake with distinctive livery.

6. Crossing the Krishna river just after Krishna station and
encountering the Thermal power plant after the bridge.

7. Watching the soil color change to brown-red somewhere between
Raichur and Adoni because of significant iron content - laterite
soils.

8. Guntakal - WDM2 loco shed, MG rolling stock.

9. Gooty - WDG2(?) loco shed.

10. If you are like me, you would be elated by important stations
being ignored by this train - Daund, Gooty and Arakkonam.


>
>Coming to the regular mails that I have been reading MCT- ADI Shatabdi
is
>the slowest Shatabdi in this country. The problem is Gujrat Express

It is nowhere close to the slowest - it is only one among four Shatabdis
in the country to touch 120 kmph. speeds (Bhopal, Kanpur and Bokaro
Shatabdis go till 130/140). It manages to cross the 70 kmph. mark as
far as commercial speed is concerned - not all Shatabdis do that. It's
only 'blackmark' is the overdose of halts - 7 halts for just 492 km.

If one goes by the commercial speed, the slowest Shatabdi is the Pune
Shatabdi - 57.6 kmph - understandably so b'coz of the Ghats. Next is
the Dehra Dun Shatabdi at 58.15 kmph.


>
>I suggest that a train to ADI be started from MCT at 6.50 so that it
can
>reach ADI in 7hrs and return the prestigious Shatabdi to its normal
>status. On the return this train can Start from ADI at 3.30pm and
reach
>Mumbai by 10.30 pm.

Amen to that!!!

Vijay


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