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From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: STOP PRESS!

Date: 08 Mar 1999 04:58:37 -0500


                                         STEAM UPDATE
 
Wankaner is the last bastion of steam on IR on the normal passenger services(non mountain/tourist section).
 
Steam workings have finished in Jetalsar and Mhow recently as reported by a traveller(Can anyone else confirm this).
 
Two YP(numbers not clear) locomotives from Wankaner are to go to USA for working tourist specials by preservation groups(destinations unknown).
 
YG 3724 from Wankaner has been transferred to Rewari as surplus power for `Royal Orient'.
 

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: WCAM model

Date: 08 Mar 1999 05:00:53 -0500


WDM 3 is a B-B DH.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@vsnl.email
To: sank@telco.email <sank@telco.email
Cc: Anne Ogborn <anniepoo@netmagic.email IR List <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: WCAM model


>There was another obscure Indian Loco the WDM 3 which was a
>Diesel
>Hydrualic from Henschell. Larry Russell has kindly sent a very
>rare (the only one
>I have seen) picture of this loco in the Indian Railway
>livery. As a
>diesel fan I could recommend that loco, which is a BOBO, could
>go well
>with your WDM 2 model. I could forward this pic by email to
>Anne if she
>so desires, let me know ...
>
>Apurva
>
>Jayant S wrote:
>
>> Anne Ogborn wrote:
>> > I'd like to convert it to some Indian prototype. I'm hoping someone
>> > on this list can suggest a suitable model of locomotive.
>>
>> Seems to have been a dual-voltage loco. If I find more
>> on this I'll pass it on.
>>
>> Seeing that it is a Bo-Bo: I think you're better off
>> trying to make a WAG1 or a WAM1 out of it, and it
>> will still need considerable body rebuilding. Adding
>> another axle to each truck to turn it into a Co-Co
>> will probably be prohibitive.
>>
>> --
>> Jayant S : ID Studio : Tata Technologies India Limited
>> Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
>> TEL 91(20)702534 : FAX 91(20)773191
>> --
>
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: slow train & terminology questions

Date: 08 Mar 1999 05:11:08 -0500


Yes, Rishikesh-Haridwar is another slow journey on `BG' wher 23 Km takes over 1 Hr.
 
Harsh
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brooker < aum108@idirect.email <mailto:aum108@idirect.email
To: Harsh Vardhan < hvc@vsnl.email <mailto:hvc@vsnl.email Apurva Bahadur < iti@vsnl.email <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Cc: Indian Railway Fan Club Association < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 8:13 PM
Subject: slow train & terminology questions


I travelled on the MG train between Vrindavan and Mathura  on Jan 4, 1996 and can verify that it is indeed ***slow***!  The short journey took at least 45 minutes, perhaps even as long as an hour.  Another slow local train that I took, ran between Haridwar and Rishikesh.  Don't recall if that was BG or MG, but believe it was a BG.  I would only assume that if one is travelling between such holy tirthas as Mathura-Vrindavan and Haridwar-Rishikesh, one needs the patience of a sadhu.
 
A question about Indglish terminology: what is a "rake"?  From the contexts of some of these messages, "rake" is what in North America would be termed the "consist" (i.e. the locomotive and the cars it is hauling, taken together as a group).  Correct me if I'm wrong.  While in India, I was able to determine for myself that in rail terminology "MG" did not mean "Mahatma Gandhi", and a "bogie" had nothing to do with golf!  :-)
 
Also, how do IR determine whether a train is "up" or "down"?  If the northbound run is "up", how is up/down determined for a train running mainly east-west?
 
********************************************************************
Mike Brooker
99 Wychcrest Ave.,
Toronto, ON  M6G 3X8
CANADA
(416) 536-7406
********************************************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: Harsh Vardhan < champa@del3.email <mailto:champa@del3.email
To: Apurva Bahadur < iti@vsnl.email <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Cc: Indian Railway Fan Club Association < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Garratts


 
By the way, My contender for slowest journey on MG are from these parts only. The average time(read minimum) taken by any train on the Darbhanga-Nirmali route is four hours to cover 71 Km, Jhanjharpur-Laukaha Bazar(43 Km) takes 3 hours and more, Bihariganj-Banmakhi(28 Km) is two hours, Indara-Dohrighat(35 Km) is 1.5 hours on a railbus and Vrindavan-Mathura(13 Km) takes 45 Min.. Beat that!
 
 

From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <>

Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!

Date: 08 Mar 1999 06:05:35 -0500


Harsh or Anyone,
Does anyone know where these engines are coming in the US. This might
be
my only was of seeing one of these in person. I also want to see them
before the Touist Railroad renumbers or redoes any part of the engines.
Don in West Virginia

----------
From: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
To: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrej.email Indian Railway Fan Club
Association
<irfca@cs.email
Subject: STOP PRESS!
Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:58 AM

STEAM UPDATE

Wankaner is the last bastion of steam on IR on the normal passenger
services(non mountain/tourist section).

Steam workings have finished in Jetalsar and Mhow recently as reported
by a
traveller(Can anyone else confirm this).

Two YP(numbers not clear) locomotives from Wankaner are to go to USA for
working tourist specials by preservation groups(destinations unknown).

YG 3724 from Wankaner has been transferred to Rewari as surplus power
for
`Royal Orient'.

Harsh

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Slowest train in the world

Date: 08 Mar 1999 06:42:31 -0500




Joydeep Dutta wrote:

> There has been recently lot of mails on slow train. Just see this one.
> The meter gauge shuttle between newjalpaiguri and siligurijn is booked
> to run at 8km /h

So the YDM 4 in charge works in the 1st or 2nd notch all the time ?

> on account of the poor condition of the track. Any
> competitors
> joydeep
>
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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways / Slag railway

Date: 08 Mar 1999 08:02:58 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > If it the DSP then the cable-way is probably use for transporting
either
> > coal or slag.
>
> One of the most impressive sights I remember was near Bhilai where red
hot slag (I
> think) was being carried in open wagons (but side tipping ?) hauled by
a WDS 6. Even
> in the bright day the incandescent nature of the goods was very
visible. I think the
> stuff was carted off to a siding and dumped on the ground to cool. I
was in the 1030
> Up Howrah - Pune Azad Hind Express. We did not get higher class
tickets and were
> travelling in the 2nd class. I was telling my wife that travelling in
the 2nd class is
> always more educating (sour grapes ?). And the slag train was very
educating indeed.
> I wonder if there are any details of the slag trains in Jamshedpur ?
They are hauled
> by special squat locos.
>
> I doubt if red hot slag would be carried by a cableway and that too
over the railway
> mainline.

I don't think the red hot stuff can be carried on a cableway, but the
grany thing that results after it cools down can be. It forms very good
base for aggregates.

Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways / Slag railway

Date: 08 Mar 1999 08:02:58 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> > If it the DSP then the cable-way is probably use for transporting
either
> > coal or slag.
>
> One of the most impressive sights I remember was near Bhilai where red
hot slag (I
> think) was being carried in open wagons (but side tipping ?) hauled by
a WDS 6. Even
> in the bright day the incandescent nature of the goods was very
visible. I think the
> stuff was carted off to a siding and dumped on the ground to cool. I
was in the 1030
> Up Howrah - Pune Azad Hind Express. We did not get higher class
tickets and were
> travelling in the 2nd class. I was telling my wife that travelling in
the 2nd class is
> always more educating (sour grapes ?). And the slag train was very
educating indeed.
> I wonder if there are any details of the slag trains in Jamshedpur ?
They are hauled
> by special squat locos.
>
> I doubt if red hot slag would be carried by a cableway and that too
over the railway
> mainline.

I don't think the red hot stuff can be carried on a cableway, but the
grany thing that results after it cools down can be. It forms very good
base for aggregates.

Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Golando - Landi Kotal Express

Date: 08 Mar 1999 08:18:20 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> My father (73 years old) remembers that in his childhood in
> Moradabad U.P. he regularly saw trains with boards like
> "Golando Ghat - Landi Kotal". This train he insists was called
> 'Punjab Mail' .

The train that is now known as Amritsar Mail has always coloquially been
known as Punjab Mail at least in Calcutta, and I believe it did run
through to Peshawar at one time. In all likelihood the coach carrying
the Gualondo Ghat - Landi Kotal was probably a "through and sectional"
carriage which came in from Gualondo Ghat on East Bengal Mail, and was
transferred to some train heading towards Peshawar from Calcutta for
further dispatch from Peshawar to Landi Kotal.

> Was this the forerunner of Toofan Mail -
> today's Toofan Udhyan Abha Express (I just love this name -
> Shri Ganga Nagar to HWH)?

Probably not. Toofan Express - predecessor of Toofan Udhyan Abha once
upon a time was *the* superfast train from Calcutta to Delhi and at that
time ran via Grand Chord. This was before independance from what I
gather. It has proceeded downhill quite a ways since then. I have not
been able to find a reference to Toofan Mail other than in a Hindi
movie. But then I haven't looked exhaustively either. The information in
this paragraph is partly speculative, and I would appreciate it very
much if someone could provide more definitive information.

> Which is the longest running train on the IR, is it Toofan
> Express, Frontier mail or Punjab Mail (2137/38) or something
> else altogether ? Is is the Deccan Queen ?

Howrah - Delhi - Kalka Mail would be in the same league. It has always
been *the* Mail train and had been *the* premier train on EIR, from
Calcutta to Delhi, and probably started in some form or the other soon
after the line was completed between Calcutta and Delhi. That is why it
sported the number 1up and 2dn before the reorganization of train
numbers.

Jishnu.

From: Dipl.-Ing. Nikolaus Sbarounis <>

Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!

Date: 08 Mar 1999 08:20:14 -0500


On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:05:35 -0500, Donald L. Mills, Jr wrote:

> Harsh or Anyone,
> Does anyone know where these engines are coming in the US. This
might
be
> my only was of seeing one of these in person. I also want to see
them
> before the Touist Railroad renumbers or redoes any part of the
engines.
> Don in West Virginia
>
> ----------
> From: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
> To: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrej.email Indian Railway Fan Club
Association
> <irfca@cs.email
> Subject: STOP PRESS!
> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:58 AM
>
> STEAM UPDATE
>
> Wankaner is the last bastion of steam on IR on the normal passenger
> services(non mountain/tourist section).
>
> Steam workings have finished in Jetalsar and Mhow recently as reported
by
a
> traveller(Can anyone else confirm this).
>
> Two YP(numbers not clear) locomotives from Wankaner are to go to USA
for
> working tourist specials by preservation groups(destinations unknown).
>
> YG 3724 from Wankaner has been transferred to Rewari as surplus power
for
> `Royal Orient'.
>
> Harsh

AFAIK, there is no metre-gauge line in the U.S. Are the locos going to
be
regauged to 3' or something?
Cheers


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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Report, pictures from Asansol shed

Date: 08 Mar 1999 09:54:18 -0500


I have uploaded a report and the first batch of pictures from Asansol
shed.
I have only been able to scan very few pictures so far - you will notice
some blanks in the picture gallery.

The URL is
<A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html">http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html</A>

Note that the larger size pictures are in the form of a pop-up image
gallery, and require a Javascript-enabled browser. If you have trouble
viewing them, please let me know, and I will post image URLs on a
separate
page.

Also to come (as soon as I have time) are reports and pictures from:

- Howrah-Kulti on the Black Diamond Express
- Asansol station
- Howrah-New Delhi on the Patna Rajdhani Express
- New Delhi station
- New Delhi-Howrah on the Poorva Express

Enjoy,
Shanku

From: MICHAEL DUNN <>

Subject:

Date: 08 Mar 1999 10:41:13 -0500

From: Andreas Schwander <>

Subject: Re: [steam_tech] Fwd: DHR Streamliner and Garratt

Date: 08 Mar 1999 13:24:40 -0500


Hello

Mr. Ralph Schorno and Mr. Roger Waller from the SLM steam group are
planing
to visit a congress in Delhi to present steam solutions for DHR as well
as
for Nilgiri.

In a recent quote for Nilgiri SLM offered to make all engineering work
and
one prototype. Serial engines should be produced in India. The same
should
also be applied to DHR locos. During the last years SLM technicians
including Mr. Waller visited several times both railways and made
detailed
conceptions for new motive power. SLM builds mountain and narrow gauge
rack
railways since 1871 and there might be very few serious ways around SLM
concerning modern steam locomotives. But that has a certain price tag,
which
can not be avoided.

It looks funny, that the search for suppliers always seems to start all
over
again. It is about the third time that I see such requests in the
Internet
and the number of railways in India needing new narrow gauge steam locos
is
very limited...

SLM anyway plans to cooperate with Indian manufacturers in the case of
DHR
and Nilgiri locos, if it gets the job. Having manufactured the actual X
class engines today in service at Nilgiri, drawings and calculations of
the
engine exist inhouse and also a rather detailed draft project for a
modern
Xa class engine based on the X type.

You can send me some more detailed information about your idea. I will
meet
Mr. Waller at the end of this week and give it to him. Maybe there is a
possibility for you to meet in Delhi. You can also send him a mail under
roger.waller@sulzer.email but he very seldom looks to his mailbox.

Yours

Andreas




-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dipl.-Ing. Nikolaus Sbarounis <sbaros@excite.email
An: steam_tech@egroups.email <steam_tech@egroups.email
Datum: ïîíåäåëüíèê, Ìàðò 08, 1999 05:55
Betreff: [steam_tech] Fwd: DHR Streamliner and Garratt


>The following messages were exchanged within the Indian Railfan Club
>regarding the DHR motive power issue. Maybe some of us can help:
>
>From: "SEMCO-INDIA/ NEERAJ KUMAR SINGAL" <nksingal@hotmail.email
> To: kjw_meh@powerup.email Julian.Rainbow@waii.email
> Cc: mdow@doi.email aac@tpgi.email irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:27:53 PST
> Message-ID: 19990307032758.26667.qmail@hotmail.email
>
> DEAR FANS,
> WE ARE LOOKING FOR NARROW GUAGE STEAM LOCO MANUFACTURER OR A DESIGNER
WHO
>CAN GIVE WHO CAN GIVE THE DESIGN CONSULTANCY ON NARROW GUAGE STEAM LOCO
AS
>WE INTEND TO START ITS MANUFACTURING IN INDIA. PLEASE ALSO SUGGEST IF
YOU
>HAVE ANY INFORMATION OF OLD STEAM LOCOS OF ANY SIZE AVAILABLE WITH
ANYBODY.
>
> YOU MAY PLEASE REPLY INDIVIDUALLY TO ME ALSO AT:-
> nksingal@hotmail.email
>
> REGARDS
> NEERAJ KUMAR
> =============================
>
>> >Message-ID: <011f01be6842$ed4365e0$87fa93cb@user>
>> >From: "Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath" <kjw_meh@powerup.email
>> >To: <Julian.Rainbow@waii.email
>> >Cc: "Malcolm Dow" <mdow@doi.email "Malcolm Dow"
>> <aac@tpgi.email
>> > "IRFCA - mailing list" <irfca@cs.email
>> >Subject: Re: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
>> >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:09:08 +1000
>> >MIME-Version: 1.0
>> >Content-Type: text/plain;
>> > charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >X-Priority: 3
>> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>> >
>> >Dear Julian Rainbow and all,
>> > The DHR streamliner also got an airing in Railway Magazine, I
think
>> >about 1962 or so. It doesn't seem to have lasted long, and I have
>> always
>> >wondered where the ogg-wallahs (the chaps who ride at the front and
>> >hand-sand the track) rode!
>> > The Loco Profile on the DHR has some discussion of the Garratt,
as
>> does
>> >Durrant's Garratt Locomotives of South Africa (with World Appendix).
>> The
>> >Garratt was really a double "A", on two 4ft 3in wheelbase engines,
but
>> with
>> >a boiler of thermal capacity enough to produce steam for two "B"s.
It
>> was a
>> >simple, not a compound, and the cylinders were at what became the
>> >conventional position, at the outer ends of the engine units. In
actual
>> >practice, there seem to have been two major technical problems and
an
>> >operational one. One technical problem has already been mentioned:
the
>> >flexible joints on Garratts had by no means been perfected at that
>> time, and
>> >they gave trouble, apparently never fully fixed. The second problem
>> seems to
>> >have been that on grades there was a weight transfer problem that
>> unloaded
>> >the driving wheels, leading to slipping and consequently reduced
>> haulage
>> >capacity. Though by the 1920s the Garratt was reportedly giving
"every
>> >satisfaction" (see the recent Beyer-Garratt book) its trailing load
was
>> >roughly 165% of that which a "B" class could handle. That led to the
>> traffic
>> >problem: on the hill section, with an engine change at Tindharia or
>> >Kurseong, the train would either be too big for one "B" or too small
>> for
>> >two, if divided. The economics were obviously not satisfactory: you
had
>> to
>> >have either a double or a single "B" load. No doubt the Garratt ran
the
>> >whole distance on the Teesta Valley line, and the problem did not
>> arise.
>> >Hence, in consequence, its scrapping date: the TV line was out of
use
>> after
>> >the floods and landslips of 1950.
>> > Can I remind everyone of the importance of joining your
local
>> DHR
>> >Society, or if there isn't one, of starting one up. 1999 will be a
very
>> >important year for the DHR, with the World Heritage decision due
from
>> >UNESCO this month, and important decisions about the future of the
line
>> to
>> >be taken. Enthusiast support may help make all the difference.
>> > Groups already exist in Australia and England; attempts are
>> being
>> >made to set one up in North America. For Australia, contact me by
>> E-mail at
>> >kjw_meh@powerup.email for UK, E-mail Ms. M. Metz at
>> m.metz@pro-net.email
>> >for North America, E-mail hkading@rypn.email. These societies provide
a
>> >ready-made channel for ideas and opinions, and are playing a
>> significant
>> >part in the decision-making process for the DHR's
>> >future.
>> > Best wishes to all,
>> > Ken Walker
>
>
>
>
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From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <>

Subject: Re: [steam_tech] Fwd: DHR Streamliner and Garratt

Date: 08 Mar 1999 14:05:18 -0500


The following Information concerning narrow Gauge Railroads in the US
came
across my desk today.
I am posting it to India Rail Fan page and yourself because I read
yesterday of someone who was looking along these lines. Don in WV

Quote-"Every so often , a book is published that deserves to be called a
landmark...American Narrow Gauge Railroads is probably the first of such
calibre for the '90." "it should be hailed as a classic...A book that
belongs on the shelves of any person who cares about railroading
history.
National Railway Bulliten.

Author George W. Hilton this is the first comprehensive, extensively
illustrated account of th4e growth and decline of American narrow gauge
Railroading, a singular and still no fully underestood episode in the
history of American transportation. "Only a handful of books in the
field of RR history have become the standard reference work in a
particular
area... American narrow Gauge Railroads... this is an excellent work,
and
the author and publisher both deserve accolades." Railroad History.

9x12 inches, 382 illustrations, 56 maps. xviii 1990
2369-9 paperback $39.95 US list
1731-1 cloth covered $75.00 list.

Stanford University Press
Stanford California 94305-2236

Can be found on the web @ www.sup.org


----------
> From: Andreas Schwander <schwander@bluewin.email
> To: steam_tech@egroups.email
> Cc: nksingal@hotmail.email kjw_meh@powerup.email
Julian.Rainbow@waii.email mdow@doi.email aac@tpgi.email
irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: [steam_tech] Fwd: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 4:24 PM
>
> Hello
>
> Mr. Ralph Schorno and Mr. Roger Waller from the SLM steam group are
planing
> to visit a congress in Delhi to present steam solutions for DHR as
well
as
> for Nilgiri.
>
> In a recent quote for Nilgiri SLM offered to make all engineering work
and
> one prototype. Serial engines should be produced in India. The same
should
> also be applied to DHR locos. During the last years SLM technicians
> including Mr. Waller visited several times both railways and made
detailed
> conceptions for new motive power. SLM builds mountain and narrow gauge
rack
> railways since 1871 and there might be very few serious ways around
SLM
> concerning modern steam locomotives. But that has a certain price tag,
which
> can not be avoided.
>
> It looks funny, that the search for suppliers always seems to start
all
over
> again. It is about the third time that I see such requests in the
Internet
> and the number of railways in India needing new narrow gauge steam
locos
is
> very limited...
>
> SLM anyway plans to cooperate with Indian manufacturers in the case of
DHR
> and Nilgiri locos, if it gets the job. Having manufactured the actual
X
> class engines today in service at Nilgiri, drawings and calculations
of
the
> engine exist inhouse and also a rather detailed draft project for a
modern
> Xa class engine based on the X type.
>
> You can send me some more detailed information about your idea. I will
meet
> Mr. Waller at the end of this week and give it to him. Maybe there is
a
> possibility for you to meet in Delhi. You can also send him a mail
under
> roger.waller@sulzer.email but he very seldom looks to his mailbox.
>
> Yours
>
> Andreas
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dipl.-Ing. Nikolaus Sbarounis <sbaros@excite.email
> An: steam_tech@egroups.email <steam_tech@egroups.email
> Datum: ïîíåäåëüíèê, Ìàðò 08, 1999 05:55
> Betreff: [steam_tech] Fwd: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
>
>
> >The following messages were exchanged within the Indian Railfan Club
> >regarding the DHR motive power issue. Maybe some of us can help:
> >
> >From: "SEMCO-INDIA/ NEERAJ KUMAR SINGAL" <nksingal@hotmail.email
> > To: kjw_meh@powerup.email Julian.Rainbow@waii.email
> > Cc: mdow@doi.email aac@tpgi.email irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: Re: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
> > Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:27:53 PST
> > Message-ID: 19990307032758.26667.qmail@hotmail.email
> >
> > DEAR FANS,
> > WE ARE LOOKING FOR NARROW GUAGE STEAM LOCO MANUFACTURER OR A
DESIGNER
WHO
> >CAN GIVE WHO CAN GIVE THE DESIGN CONSULTANCY ON NARROW GUAGE STEAM
LOCO
AS
> >WE INTEND TO START ITS MANUFACTURING IN INDIA. PLEASE ALSO SUGGEST IF
YOU
> >HAVE ANY INFORMATION OF OLD STEAM LOCOS OF ANY SIZE AVAILABLE WITH
ANYBODY.
> >
> > YOU MAY PLEASE REPLY INDIVIDUALLY TO ME ALSO AT:-
> > nksingal@hotmail.email
> >
> > REGARDS
> > NEERAJ KUMAR
> > =============================
> >
> >> >Message-ID: <011f01be6842$ed4365e0$87fa93cb@user>
> >> >From: "Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath" <kjw_meh@powerup.email
> >> >To: <Julian.Rainbow@waii.email
> >> >Cc: "Malcolm Dow" <mdow@doi.email "Malcolm Dow"
> >> <aac@tpgi.email
> >> > "IRFCA - mailing list" <irfca@cs.email
> >> >Subject: Re: DHR Streamliner and Garratt
> >> >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:09:08 +1000
> >> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >> >Content-Type: text/plain;
> >> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >X-Priority: 3
> >> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> >> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
> >> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
> >> >
> >> >Dear Julian Rainbow and all,
> >> > The DHR streamliner also got an airing in Railway Magazine, I
think
> >> >about 1962 or so. It doesn't seem to have lasted long, and I have
> >> always
> >> >wondered where the ogg-wallahs (the chaps who ride at the front
and
> >> >hand-sand the track) rode!
> >> > The Loco Profile on the DHR has some discussion of the
Garratt,
as
> >> does
> >> >Durrant's Garratt Locomotives of South Africa (with World
Appendix).
> >> The
> >> >Garratt was really a double "A", on two 4ft 3in wheelbase engines,
but
> >> with
> >> >a boiler of thermal capacity enough to produce steam for two "B"s.
It
> >> was a
> >> >simple, not a compound, and the cylinders were at what became the
> >> >conventional position, at the outer ends of the engine units. In
actual
> >> >practice, there seem to have been two major technical problems and
an
> >> >operational one. One technical problem has already been
mentioned:
the
> >> >flexible joints on Garratts had by no means been perfected at that
> >> time, and
> >> >they gave trouble, apparently never fully fixed. The second
problem
> >> seems to
> >> >have been that on grades there was a weight transfer problem that
> >> unloaded
> >> >the driving wheels, leading to slipping and consequently reduced
> >> haulage
> >> >capacity. Though by the 1920s the Garratt was reportedly giving
"every
> >> >satisfaction" (see the recent Beyer-Garratt book) its trailing
load
was
> >> >roughly 165% of that which a "B" class could handle. That led to
the
> >> traffic
> >> >problem: on the hill section, with an engine change at Tindharia
or
> >> >Kurseong, the train would either be too big for one "B" or too
small
> >> for
> >> >two, if divided. The economics were obviously not satisfactory:
you
had
> >> to
> >> >have either a double or a single "B" load. No doubt the Garratt
ran
the
> >> >whole distance on the Teesta Valley line, and the problem did not
> >> arise.
> >> >Hence, in consequence, its scrapping date: the TV line was out of
use
> >> after
> >> >the floods and landslips of 1950.
> >> > Can I remind everyone of the importance of joining your
local
> >> DHR
> >> >Society, or if there isn't one, of starting one up. 1999 will be a
very
> >> >important year for the DHR, with the World Heritage decision due
from
> >> >UNESCO this month, and important decisions about the future of the
line
> >> to
> >> >be taken. Enthusiast support may help make all the difference.
> >> > Groups already exist in Australia and England; attempts
are
> >> being
> >> >made to set one up in North America. For Australia, contact me by
> >> E-mail at
> >> >kjw_meh@powerup.email for UK, E-mail Ms. M. Metz at
> >> m.metz@pro-net.email
> >> >for North America, E-mail hkading@rypn.email. These societies
provide a
> >> >ready-made channel for ideas and opinions, and are playing a
> >> significant
> >> >part in the decision-making process for the DHR's
> >> >future.
> >> > Best wishes to all,
> >> > Ken Walker
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: [Fwd: Your site

Date: 08 Mar 1999 22:49:51 -0500


Anyone with an answer to Peter's queries ?

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!

Date: 08 Mar 1999 23:32:33 -0500


These locos are syill in India awaiting some cosmetic work. Will pass on
any
news received about their destination. Loco No.s are YP 2250 and 2805
which
were seen last in a fairly good shape.

Iam not certain if these will actually be run in the USA or just
plinthed.
But laying new tracks I suppose is hardly a job compared to importing a
locomotive.

Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email
To: Harsh Vardhan <hvc@vsnl.email
Cc: India Rail Fan Page <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!


>Harsh or Anyone,
>Does anyone know where these engines are coming in the US. This
might be
>my only was of seeing one of these in person. I also want to see them
>before the Touist Railroad renumbers or redoes any part of the engines.
>Don in West Virginia
>
>----------
>From: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
>To: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrej.email Indian Railway Fan Club
Association
><irfca@cs.email
>Subject: STOP PRESS!
>Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:58 AM
>
> STEAM UPDATE
>
>Wankaner is the last bastion of steam on IR on the normal passenger
>services(non mountain/tourist section).
>
>Steam workings have finished in Jetalsar and Mhow recently as reported
by a
>traveller(Can anyone else confirm this).
>
>Two YP(numbers not clear) locomotives from Wankaner are to go to USA
for
>working tourist specials by preservation groups(destinations unknown).
>
>YG 3724 from Wankaner has been transferred to Rewari as surplus power
for
>`Royal Orient'.
>
>Harsh
>
>

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: WCAM model

Date: 08 Mar 1999 23:51:13 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
> There was another obscure Indian Loco the WDM 3 which was a
> Diesel
> Hydrualic from Henschell. Larry Russell has kindly sent a very
> rare (the only one
> I have seen) picture of this loco in the Indian Railway
> livery. As a
> diesel fan I could recommend that loco, which is a BOBO, could
> go well
> with your WDM 2 model. I could forward this pic by email to
> Anne if she
> so desires, let me know ...
>
> Apurva
>

Thanks for the pic, Apurva.
I htink this loco had better be an electric, simply because
the conversion would be so much simpler.

Whatever is simplest conversion of sideframes will probably win.
The WDM2 is still "in the pipeline" -
I've been setting up the new studio, but that's mostly done,
I'll start on it any day now.

Request for the whole list:

Preliminary guess is that a WAM1 might be a good choice (this per
Jayant) - If anyone can direct me to good shots of same, particularly
truck shots, I'd be appreciative.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Forwarded mail

Date: 09 Mar 1999 00:44:23 -0500


I guess I could not forward Peter's mail the first time, any
answers to his query about the Baroda railways ?

Apurva

Subject:
Your site
Date:
Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:47:22 -0000
From:
"Peter Moss" <petemoss@steamline.email
To:
"Apurva Bahadur" <iti@vsnl.email




Dear Apurva,
I have now taken a look at your web
site, Several
articles caught my attention, Great pictures, particularly the
steam ones.

The miniature locomotive article, do you know anything
more about this
locomotive. It appears to have been built in the UK, I suspect
by Davey
Paxman or Bassett Lowke. As neither of these companies are
still in business
spare parts are going to have to be made from scratch. It did
look to be in
very poor condition.

A new boiler on a miniature of this size would be
something in the
region of £50,000 or more here in England. It is certainly not
the smallest
minature passenger hauler as the present owners sugested. But
it is a rather
nice locomotive.

Regards Pete.

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Report, pictures from Asansol shed

Date: 09 Mar 1999 00:47:59 -0500


Hi Shanku,

Great page, waiting for the full report. Did you have a permit to take
pictures
at the shed ? What is the status of any WG or HPS locos in the steam
sheds of
ASN ? Did you see any BG steam locos at all ?
I had some trouble with the Java stuff on your webpage, plain thumbnails
would
be appreciated if possible.

Apurva

Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> I have uploaded a report and the first batch of pictures from Asansol
shed.
> I have only been able to scan very few pictures so far - you will
notice
> some blanks in the picture gallery.
>
> The URL is
> <A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html">http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html</A>
>
> Note that the larger size pictures are in the form of a pop-up image
> gallery, and require a Javascript-enabled browser. If you have trouble
> viewing them, please let me know, and I will post image URLs on a
separate
> page.
>
> Also to come (as soon as I have time) are reports and pictures from:
>
> - Howrah-Kulti on the Black Diamond Express
> - Asansol station
> - Howrah-New Delhi on the Patna Rajdhani Express
> - New Delhi station
> - New Delhi-Howrah on the Poorva Express
>
> Enjoy,
> Shanku

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Report, pictures from Asansol shed

Date: 09 Mar 1999 00:47:59 -0500


Hi Shanku,

Great page, waiting for the full report. Did you have a permit to take
pictures
at the shed ? What is the status of any WG or HPS locos in the steam
sheds of
ASN ? Did you see any BG steam locos at all ?
I had some trouble with the Java stuff on your webpage, plain thumbnails
would
be appreciated if possible.

Apurva

Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> I have uploaded a report and the first batch of pictures from Asansol
shed.
> I have only been able to scan very few pictures so far - you will
notice
> some blanks in the picture gallery.
>
> The URL is
> <A HREF="http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html">http://threshold.simplenet.com/india99/asansol.html</A>
>
> Note that the larger size pictures are in the form of a pop-up image
> gallery, and require a Javascript-enabled browser. If you have trouble
> viewing them, please let me know, and I will post image URLs on a
separate
> page.
>
> Also to come (as soon as I have time) are reports and pictures from:
>
> - Howrah-Kulti on the Black Diamond Express
> - Asansol station
> - Howrah-New Delhi on the Patna Rajdhani Express
> - New Delhi station
> - New Delhi-Howrah on the Poorva Express
>
> Enjoy,
> Shanku

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!

Date: 09 Mar 1999 01:03:35 -0500


While we were in Wankaner between the 9th and 12th of Jan
1999, we did see the
YP 2813 which was supposed to be exported to UK (not USA). I
am quite sure about
the loco number as this was the ex Sabarmati power that Viraf
and Sarosh footplated
on an earlier trip, although I am not sure about the final
destination of the
loco.

Apurva

Harsh Vardhan wrote:

> These locos are syill in India awaiting some cosmetic work. Will pass
on any
> news received about their destination. Loco No.s are YP 2250 and 2805
which
> were seen last in a fairly good shape.
>
> Iam not certain if these will actually be run in the USA or just
plinthed.
> But laying new tracks I suppose is hardly a job compared to importing
a
> locomotive.
>
> Harsh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald L. Mills, Jr <dmills@MARSHALL.email
> To: Harsh Vardhan <hvc@vsnl.email
> Cc: India Rail Fan Page <irfca@cs.email
> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: STOP PRESS!
>
> >Harsh or Anyone,
> >Does anyone know where these engines are coming in the US. This
might be
> >my only was of seeing one of these in person. I also want to see
them
> >before the Touist Railroad renumbers or redoes any part of the
engines.
> >Don in West Virginia
> >
> >----------
> >From: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
> >To: VIRAF P.. MULLA <sncf@godrej.email Indian Railway Fan Club
Association
> ><irfca@cs.email
> >Subject: STOP PRESS!
> >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:58 AM
> >
> > STEAM UPDATE
> >
> >Wankaner is the last bastion of steam on IR on the normal passenger
> >services(non mountain/tourist section).
> >
> >Steam workings have finished in Jetalsar and Mhow recently as
reported by a
> >traveller(Can anyone else confirm this).
> >
> >Two YP(numbers not clear) locomotives from Wankaner are to go to USA
for
> >working tourist specials by preservation groups(destinations
unknown).
> >
> >YG 3724 from Wankaner has been transferred to Rewari as surplus power
for
> >`Royal Orient'.
> >
> >Harsh
> >
> >

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