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From: partha <>

Subject: Re: Railway budget highlights!

Date: 04 Mar 1999 22:53:49 -0500


This is just a constructive suggestion--not a criticism. Just a small
suggestion to all the contributors to this mailing list. Please modify
the subject line of your messages to reflect the actual subject of your
message. For instance, since the past few days all messages have the
same subject line (Railway budget highlights). It does not make sense to
use this line for discussing the railway projects of Bangla Desh !

In spite of the above, I must state that I fully enjoy the lively
discussions and postings. Keep it up.

...partha


PS I left the subject line in my message unchanged, just to make my
point clear.

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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Indian Railways - a study in public utility administration

Date: 04 Mar 1999 23:32:40 -0500


by Amba Prasad

is available in Bookmine, a used book store in Sacramento.
It's $50 US.

You can reach them through www.bookmine.com

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Mineral cableways

Date: 04 Mar 1999 23:36:00 -0500


Only sorta a railway question, but -
On the train to Calcutta from Delhi we passed under a
mineral cableway - a series of towers , each with large
sheaves, that transported hoppers of some mineral hung
from a cable.

I was intruiged by the device, and wondered if anyone
else knows anything about it.

(At least I have the excuse that it ran to a steel mill,
which is what I'm planning to model in th elong term).

Annie

From: VIRAL DESAI <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 23:39:10 -0500


Hi Folks ,

Karnavati Exp. does not have a uniform livery . Almost all the time one
of
the ACCH coach of the total 4 coaches is dark maroon.

Regards ,

Viral



>G.T. has indeed aquired new livery in form of cream and light green as
was
>said earier. It is a peculiar colour albeit not very great but
certainly
new
>and different. Unfortunately due to cross breeding practices prevalent
on
>the IR, not all coaches on all the G.T. rakes have this new livery.
Bombay
>Rajdhani has blue(shatabdi's) generator cars. Even the colour of
different
>coaches are different shades of red of which some(3T-AC) stand out like
a
>sore thumb.
>
>The most uniformly `painted' and maintained rakes I have seen over the
years
>are Taj, Deccan Q, Pink City/Garib Nawaj(erstwhile), Awadh
>Tirhut(erstwhile), Vaigai,
>Karnavati etc.
>
>Harsh
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
>To: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
>Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
>Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Trainspotting
>
>
>>Hello,
>>The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
>>bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for
over
>>a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
>>color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
>>the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
>>Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from
BLR,
>>and so on and so forth.
>>I've seen a similar livery in a German book of one of their old
>>trains,where this livery has been referred to as the 'spinach and egg'
>>livery!
>>Incidetally, although cream is the most common color combo with most
>>dark colors on the IR, this same bright yellow has been used with
other
>>colors as well:
>>bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
>>introduction:now its drab old maroon)
>>bright yellow/maroon: favorite NR combo: notable: NDLS-ASR Flying Mail
>>bright yellow/shocking pink: Pink City Express (initially, now its a
>>drab maroon again) etc etc.
>>At NDLS, you can see all sorts of livery:
>>light blue/white, maroon with a turquoise band at the
>>windows,orange/cream (Toofan and Navjivan had that livery once),navy
>>with blood red at the windows, etc.etc. WOnder which trains they all
>>come from.
>>Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
>>One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
>>windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
>>TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
>>exists any more.
>>Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
>>the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and
Niliri
>>Express. I don't think this livery exists either.
>>Coming to think of it,barring th estandard maroon, I don't think any
>>other color in applied in full: there is always a light contrast to go
>>with any dark color nowadays.
>>CR was once standardizing on DQ type blue-cream, but dropped it
later.I
>>think rather that cream above the windows, the present Shatabdi type
>>cream above the waist livery looks far better.
>>The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT
was
>>a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
>>had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.
>>OOps..sorry, I got carried away!
>>Best regards,
>>Shankar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>>>
>>> The GT coaches I saw and filmed were a bicolour of cream and green,
and
>one
>>> had "Grand Trunk Express" written in fancy letters on the side. The
other
>>> rake I filmed was not in Swarnajayanti colours - it had a similar
>bicolour
>>> white and blue, but with a saffron-white-green tricolour stripe
running
>>> across the top of the rake from one side, then down diagonally
towards
>the
>>> bottom, and then across the bottom to the other side.
>>>
>>> Shanku
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:54 AM
>>> To: Shanku Niyogi; 'irfca@cs.email
>>> Subject: RE: Trainspotting
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Took shots of a couple of interesting rakes, including the GT and
some
>sort
>>> >of 50th anniversary rake that had trims in flag colours - can
anyone
>>> >identify this one?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Has the GT re-acquired a distinctive livery? If so, I would love
to
see
>>> your
>>> >picture. Do all the swarnajayanti trains (except the ADI Raj) have
>>> tri-color
>>> >rakes - saffron, white and green?
>>> >
>>> >Vijay
>>
>
>
>

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re:

Date: 05 Mar 1999 00:05:25 -0500


Hello,
One of these massive Garratts is preserved at the National Rail museum
in New Delhi.
Another is preserved at the Kharagpur workshops, I think.
Both were of the 5' 6" broad gauge and worked of the Bengal nagpur
Railway, They were of classes N, NM, M etc, and had wheel arrangements
like 4-8-0 + 0-8-4,though I do not know which class had which wheel
arrangement.
In addition, there was a delightful Garratt on the 2' 0" Darjeeling
Himalayan line,Some pics may be available with the National Rail Museum,
but I am not aware of any of these machines being preserved.
Best regards.
Shankar


John Brant wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if any of the Garretts which
> worked the Indian Rail System are still around.
>
> I know there is an old South African Unit on show
> in a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland.
>
> J H Brant

From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 05 Mar 1999 00:34:45 -0500


On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Harsh Vardhan wrote:

>
>
> >Okay - just to open the 'train on Daboo's book cover' thread once
again.
> Once IS Anand
> >(he is the one who took the picture and sent it to JE Daboo) was
across the
> table I
> >could convince him that the rake was indeed of the Mysore -
Nizamuddin
> Swaran Jayanti
> >Express and not Goa Express. I wonder if I would infringe on anyone's
copy
> write if I
> >scanned the cover of that book and put it up on the web so everyone
can
> have a look ?
> >The location is platform no 2 (which is too short to accomadate a 18
coach
> train) at
> >Pune Jn. Anand in on the footplate of the loco which is backing up to
> couple to some
> >Mumbai bound train 1008 Deccan Express or 7308 Koyna Express. Hence
he has
> an
> >excellent vantage point to shoot the blue and white KJM shed WMD 2.
As far
> as Roger's
> >earlier observation observation goes about a loco with similar livery
> standing in the
> >background, yes, that is a loco from Erode shed, but then that livery
of
> the ED shed
> >is quite common. However on the train the red cream and blue looks
really
> dramatic.
> >
>
>
> I can bet my life that it is Mysore-Nizammudin Swarna Jayanti Exp. and
not
> Goa Exp.
> Anyone more cocksure can bet me a million Rupees(or even tenth that
amount)
> and we can find out from the loco diagram books. Period.
>
> Harsh
>

PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237


Harsh,
I agree with you it is indeed the Nizammudin - Mysore Swarna Jayanti
Express. Any challenger to this loses to Harsh and myself.

Harsh thanks also for your newsletter and the form. I recd it yesterday
and was quite interesting. Will send you the same with money and
possibly
an ad for your good work.
xz

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Garratts

Date: 05 Mar 1999 00:38:50 -0500


You could also list the ones on the Janakpur track, although that is not techincally India, but Nepal, it is still the Indian subcontinent. Maybe those are still working.

Apurva

Harsh Vardhan wrote:

 

Can you pls provide the particulars of the one you have mentioned. To the best of my knowledge, the following Garratts have survived in India. N - 38815(BP 6594) 4-8-0 + 0-8-4 at national rail museum, New delhi P - 38811(BP 6594) 4-8-2 +2-8-4 at Khragpur workshop. GX  - 32086(BP 7144)  4-8-2 + 2-8-4 at Guwahati Steam shed Site The last one is a rare MG garratt. additions anyone ? harsh 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
To: irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 2:31 PMDoes anyone know if any of the Garretts whichworked the Indian Rail System are still around. I know there is an old South African Unit on showin a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland. J H Brant

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways

Date: 05 Mar 1999 00:40:13 -0500




Anne Ogborn wrote:

> Only sorta a railway question, but -
> On the train to Calcutta from Delhi we passed under a
> mineral cableway - a series of towers , each with large
> sheaves, that transported hoppers of some mineral hung
> from a cable.

Dhanbad ? Asansol ?

>
>
> I was intruiged by the device, and wondered if anyone
> else knows anything about it.
>
> (At least I have the excuse that it ran to a steel mill,
> which is what I'm planning to model in th elong term).
>
> Annie

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: on 18233

Date: 05 Mar 1999 01:01:19 -0500




Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> The train was roaring into Asansol station, and I wasn't able to
follow it
> to get a good standing shot, so the only shot I got (a front angle
view)
> will have to do. I had been standing watching the train come in,
getting
> ready to take a good passing WDM2 shot. Only after I had clicked the
shutter
> did I notice the stunning livery, as I watched the "Black Lightning"
logo
> pass by me.

Krishnarajapuram WDM2 also have a black and white livery, although I am
not sure
of the black lighting logo.

> I've posted it to <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG">http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG</A>. I have
a
> bigger picture if anyone would like. My scanner did not do justice to
this
> photo - I'm going to have to find a scanner with better color contrast
and
> rescan it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shankar [mailto:shankie@emirates.email
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:21 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi
> Cc: 'Joydeep Dutta'; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: on 18233
>
> Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
> Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP,
and
> for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black
livery
> with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
> The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it
possible
> to post a pic for all of us to see?
> Best regards.
> Shankar
>
> Shanku Niyogi wrote:
> >
> > Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> > watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> > 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> > the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
> >
> > Shanku
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> > To: irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: on 18233
> >
> > Dear Friends
> > Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> > WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> > Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> > shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> > 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> > Joydeep
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: on 18233

Date: 05 Mar 1999 01:01:19 -0500




Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> The train was roaring into Asansol station, and I wasn't able to
follow it
> to get a good standing shot, so the only shot I got (a front angle
view)
> will have to do. I had been standing watching the train come in,
getting
> ready to take a good passing WDM2 shot. Only after I had clicked the
shutter
> did I notice the stunning livery, as I watched the "Black Lightning"
logo
> pass by me.

Krishnarajapuram WDM2 also have a black and white livery, although I am
not sure
of the black lighting logo.

> I've posted it to <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG">http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG</A>. I have
a
> bigger picture if anyone would like. My scanner did not do justice to
this
> photo - I'm going to have to find a scanner with better color contrast
and
> rescan it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shankar [mailto:shankie@emirates.email
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:21 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi
> Cc: 'Joydeep Dutta'; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: on 18233
>
> Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
> Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP,
and
> for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black
livery
> with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
> The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it
possible
> to post a pic for all of us to see?
> Best regards.
> Shankar
>
> Shanku Niyogi wrote:
> >
> > Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> > watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> > 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> > the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
> >
> > Shanku
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> > To: irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: on 18233
> >
> > Dear Friends
> > Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> > WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> > Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> > shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> > 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> > Joydeep
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Garratts

Date: 05 Mar 1999 06:00:43 -0500


The line has been dieselised few years back. There is no confirmed news about the survivors of the steam era. You see, abandoned things of any value in these parts don't take long to be scrapped or stolen. A trip is long due I guess.
 
By the way, My contender for slowest journey on MG are from these parts only. The average time(read minimum) taken by any train on the Darbhanga-Nirmali route is four hours to cover 71 Km, Jhanjharpur-Laukaha Bazar(43 Km) takes 3 hours and more, Bihariganj-Banmakhi(28 Km) is two hours, Indara-Dohrighat(35 Km) is 1.5 hours on a railbus and Vrindavan-Mathura(13 Km) takes 45 Min.. Beat that!
 
Harsh

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur < iti@vsnl.email <mailto:iti@vsnl.email
To: Harsh Vardhan < hvc@vsnl.email <mailto:hvc@vsnl.email
Cc: Indian Railway Fan Club Association < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Garratts


You could also list the ones on the Janakpur track, although that is not techincally India, but Nepal, it is still the Indian subcontinent. Maybe those are still working.

Apurva

Harsh Vardhan wrote:

 

Can you pls provide the particulars of the one you have mentioned. To the best of my knowledge, the following Garratts have survived in India. N - 38815(BP 6594) 4-8-0 + 0-8-4 at national rail museum, New delhi P - 38811(BP 6594) 4-8-2 +2-8-4 at Khragpur workshop. GX  - 32086(BP 7144)  4-8-2 + 2-8-4 at Guwahati Steam shed Site The last one is a rare MG garratt. additions anyone ? harsh 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
To: irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 2:31 PMDoes anyone know if any of the Garretts whichworked the Indian Rail System are still around. I know there is an old South African Unit on showin a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland. J H Brant

 

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 05 Mar 1999 06:03:29 -0500


>Karnavati Exp. does not have a uniform livery . Almost all the time one
of
>the ACCH coach of the total 4 coaches is dark maroon.
>


Pls read again. I said `Uniformly painted'.

Harsh

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways

Date: 05 Mar 1999 09:33:42 -0500


I believe Annie saw the Durgapur Steel Plant - I got a photograph of
this
plant while on my way to Asansol. It had these cableways.

This plant is very well known in India, so it shouldn't be tough to get
detailed information about it. If I find any sources, I'll let you know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur [mailto:iti@vsnl.email
Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:40 AM
To: Anne Ogborn
Cc: irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: Mineral cableways




Anne Ogborn wrote:

> Only sorta a railway question, but -
> On the train to Calcutta from Delhi we passed under a
> mineral cableway - a series of towers , each with large
> sheaves, that transported hoppers of some mineral hung
> from a cable.

Dhanbad ? Asansol ?

>
>
> I was intruiged by the device, and wondered if anyone
> else knows anything about it.
>
> (At least I have the excuse that it ran to a steel mill,
> which is what I'm planning to model in th elong term).
>
> Annie

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways

Date: 05 Mar 1999 10:51:22 -0500


> I believe Annie saw the Durgapur Steel Plant - I got a photograph of
this
> plant while on my way to Asansol. It had these cableways.

If it the DSP then the cable-way is probably use for transporting either
coal or slag.

> This plant is very well known in India, so it shouldn't be tough to
get
> detailed information about it. If I find any sources, I'll let you
know.

The other impressive industrial looking edifice in Durgapur that might
have such a cable-way is the Durgapur Thermal Power Station. If it does
it would be for carrying coal. Actually, if I recall right (from 10
years back), the Durgapur Thermal Power Station is closer to Durgapur
station than the Durgapur Steel Plant, which is closer to Waria station.


Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Mineral cableways

Date: 05 Mar 1999 10:51:22 -0500


> I believe Annie saw the Durgapur Steel Plant - I got a photograph of
this
> plant while on my way to Asansol. It had these cableways.

If it the DSP then the cable-way is probably use for transporting either
coal or slag.

> This plant is very well known in India, so it shouldn't be tough to
get
> detailed information about it. If I find any sources, I'll let you
know.

The other impressive industrial looking edifice in Durgapur that might
have such a cable-way is the Durgapur Thermal Power Station. If it does
it would be for carrying coal. Actually, if I recall right (from 10
years back), the Durgapur Thermal Power Station is closer to Durgapur
station than the Durgapur Steel Plant, which is closer to Waria station.


Jishnu.

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Black livery

Date: 05 Mar 1999 11:15:46 -0500


Hello,
One can't make out much on the front view, as you have said.The painting
scheme appears to be similar to the navy/light blue livery of the
diesels based at KJM. Several engines on the SR sport this livery,
painted in a similar fashion.
Best regards.
Shankar


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> The train was roaring into Asansol station, and I wasn't able to
follow it
> to get a good standing shot, so the only shot I got (a front angle
view)
> will have to do. I had been standing watching the train come in,
getting
> ready to take a good passing WDM2 shot. Only after I had clicked the
shutter
> did I notice the stunning livery, as I watched the "Black Lightning"
logo
> pass by me.
>
> I've posted it to <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG">http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG</A>. I have
a
> bigger picture if anyone would like. My scanner did not do justice to
this
> photo - I'm going to have to find a scanner with better color contrast
and
> rescan it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shankar [mailto:shankie@emirates.email
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:21 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi
> Cc: 'Joydeep Dutta'; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: on 18233
>
> Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
> Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP,
and
> for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black
livery
> with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
> The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it
possible
> to post a pic for all of us to see?
> Best regards.
> Shankar
>
> Shanku Niyogi wrote:
> >
> > Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> > watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> > 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> > the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
> >
> > Shanku
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> > To: irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: on 18233
> >
> > Dear Friends
> > Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> > WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> > Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> > shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> > 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> > Joydeep
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Black livery

Date: 05 Mar 1999 11:15:46 -0500


Hello,
One can't make out much on the front view, as you have said.The painting
scheme appears to be similar to the navy/light blue livery of the
diesels based at KJM. Several engines on the SR sport this livery,
painted in a similar fashion.
Best regards.
Shankar


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> The train was roaring into Asansol station, and I wasn't able to
follow it
> to get a good standing shot, so the only shot I got (a front angle
view)
> will have to do. I had been standing watching the train come in,
getting
> ready to take a good passing WDM2 shot. Only after I had clicked the
shutter
> did I notice the stunning livery, as I watched the "Black Lightning"
logo
> pass by me.
>
> I've posted it to <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG">http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG</A>. I have
a
> bigger picture if anyone would like. My scanner did not do justice to
this
> photo - I'm going to have to find a scanner with better color contrast
and
> rescan it.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shankar [mailto:shankie@emirates.email
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:21 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi
> Cc: 'Joydeep Dutta'; irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Re: on 18233
>
> Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
> Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP,
and
> for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black
livery
> with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
> The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it
possible
> to post a pic for all of us to see?
> Best regards.
> Shankar
>
> Shanku Niyogi wrote:
> >
> > Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> > watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> > 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> > the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
> >
> > Shanku
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> > To: irfca@cs.email
> > Subject: on 18233
> >
> > Dear Friends
> > Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> > WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> > Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> > shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> > 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> > Joydeep
> >
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From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Black livery

Date: 05 Mar 1999 12:16:13 -0500


Shankar,

You may have a virus on your machine - after your mail message, I got
another one from you with "Happy99.exe". This may be a virus or worm.

I have a larger version of the photograph, but it is not of much use
either.
If there is sufficient interest in this loco, I may ask one of my
contacts
in West Bengal to try to get some info on this loco (No. 16115) from the
Andal shed. Anyone interested?

Shanku

From: Auroprem Kandaswami <>

Subject: SR: Additional coach likely for seven trains

Date: 05 Mar 1999 13:05:57 -0500




The Southern Railway plans to augment seven trains leaving
Chennai Central with
one Sleeper Class coach to clear the extra rush of traffic
during the summer period.
The augmentation will come into force from April 9 on
Mangalore Mail (6601/6602),
Nilgiri Express (6605/6606), West Coast Express (6627/6628),
Yercaud Express
(6669/6670) and Kaveri Express (6222/6221). The additional
coach will continue till
June 30, 1999. Similar addition will be made to the Ganga
Kaveri Express
(6039/6040) from April 12 to June 28 and Patna Express
(6043/6044) from April 13
to June 29. Two Sleeper Class coach will be attached to
Chennai Central-Trivandrum
Mail (6319/6320) from April 9 and the addition will continue
upto June 30. Likewise,
one First Class- cum-Second Class coach will be attached to
the Chennai Central-
Alleppey Express (6041/6042) and the Chennai Egmore-Madurai
Pandyan Express
(6717/6718) from April 9 to June 30. From April 19 to June 30,
one First
Class-cum-Second Class coach and one AC 2-tier coach will be
attached to the
Chennai Egmore-Tiruchi Rockfort Express (6877/6878). The AC
three-tier coach,
now running as an extra coach of the Nilgiri Express
(6605/6606), will continue upto
June 30, according to a Southern Railway press release.

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Hi folks,

Any idea about Kaveri Express (6222/6221) ?


Thanks,
Auro

From: Auroprem Kandaswami <>

Subject: Group of 500 ticketless train passengers `dispersed'

Date: 05 Mar 1999 13:10:31 -0500






A group of over 500 train passengers who had arrived in Chennai
after visiting
Kanyakumari without tickets were on Thursday ``dispersed'' by
the police from the
Central Station. The passengers, including 100 men and 50
children, who were
apparently travelling to the South from Amaravathi in
Maharashtra, were earlier
stopped from continuing their train journey at Nagercoil, after
it was found that they
did not have tickets. The police intervened at Nagercoil when
the passengers insisted
on continuing their travel and they had to be removed forcibly,
it was stated. On the
Collector's intervention, the passengers were put on a train to
Chennai. Central
Station witnessed the unusual spectacle of a part of the open
space outside being
converted into a vast kitchen by the group. By Thursday night,
the police ensured that
all of them had ``dispersed'' to their destination on available
trains, without disturbing
passengers in reserved coaches. Apparently, the group had
intended to go to Nagpur
next, though some said they were talking of visiting
Chandigarh. It was also claimed
that they attended a meeting at Nandyal.

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