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From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Back

Date: 04 Mar 1999 05:55:44 -0500


Lucky you.
We all look forward to the posts, and pics is you have access to a
scanner.
Best regards.
Shankar




Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm back from my three week trip of India. During my stay, I got to
take
> four major train trips - Black Diamond Express from Howrah to Kulti,
and
> back from Asansol to Howrah, Patna Rajdhani Express from Howrah to New
> Delhi, and Poorva Express from New Delhi to Howrah. I was also able to
> weasel my way into the shed at Asansol. I've got lots of travelogue
material
> and pictures to post in the coming days!
>
> Shanku

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Back

Date: 04 Mar 1999 05:55:44 -0500


Lucky you.
We all look forward to the posts, and pics is you have access to a
scanner.
Best regards.
Shankar




Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm back from my three week trip of India. During my stay, I got to
take
> four major train trips - Black Diamond Express from Howrah to Kulti,
and
> back from Asansol to Howrah, Patna Rajdhani Express from Howrah to New
> Delhi, and Poorva Express from New Delhi to Howrah. I was also able to
> weasel my way into the shed at Asansol. I've got lots of travelogue
material
> and pictures to post in the coming days!
>
> Shanku

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: on 18233

Date: 04 Mar 1999 06:20:33 -0500


Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP, and
for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black livery
with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it possible
to post a pic for all of us to see?
Best regards.
Shankar


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: on 18233
>
> Dear Friends
> Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> Joydeep
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: on 18233

Date: 04 Mar 1999 06:20:33 -0500


Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP, and
for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black livery
with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it possible
to post a pic for all of us to see?
Best regards.
Shankar


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: on 18233
>
> Dear Friends
> Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> Joydeep
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 06:36:44 -0500




>Okay - just to open the 'train on Daboo's book cover' thread once
again.
Once IS Anand
>(he is the one who took the picture and sent it to JE Daboo) was across
the
table I
>could convince him that the rake was indeed of the Mysore - Nizamuddin
Swaran Jayanti
>Express and not Goa Express. I wonder if I would infringe on anyone's
copy
write if I
>scanned the cover of that book and put it up on the web so everyone can
have a look ?
>The location is platform no 2 (which is too short to accomadate a 18
coach
train) at
>Pune Jn. Anand in on the footplate of the loco which is backing up to
couple to some
>Mumbai bound train 1008 Deccan Express or 7308 Koyna Express. Hence he
has
an
>excellent vantage point to shoot the blue and white KJM shed WMD 2. As
far
as Roger's
>earlier observation observation goes about a loco with similar livery
standing in the
>background, yes, that is a loco from Erode shed, but then that livery
of
the ED shed
>is quite common. However on the train the red cream and blue looks
really
dramatic.
>


I can bet my life that it is Mysore-Nizammudin Swarna Jayanti Exp. and
not
Goa Exp.
Anyone more cocksure can bet me a million Rupees(or even tenth that
amount)
and we can find out from the loco diagram books. Period.

Harsh

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 06:53:25 -0500


Hello,
The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for over
a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from BLR,
and so on and so forth.
I've seen a similar livery in a German book of one of their old
trains,where this livery has been referred to as the 'spinach and egg'
livery!
Incidetally, although cream is the most common color combo with most
dark colors on the IR, this same bright yellow has been used with other
colors as well:
bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
introduction:now its drab old maroon)
bright yellow/maroon: favorite NR combo: notable: NDLS-ASR Flying Mail
bright yellow/shocking pink: Pink City Express (initially, now its a
drab maroon again) etc etc.
At NDLS, you can see all sorts of livery:
light blue/white, maroon with a turquoise band at the
windows,orange/cream (Toofan and Navjivan had that livery once),navy
with blood red at the windows, etc.etc. WOnder which trains they all
come from.
Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
exists any more.
Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and Niliri
Express. I don't think this livery exists either.
Coming to think of it,barring th estandard maroon, I don't think any
other color in applied in full: there is always a light contrast to go
with any dark color nowadays.
CR was once standardizing on DQ type blue-cream, but dropped it later.I
think rather that cream above the windows, the present Shatabdi type
cream above the waist livery looks far better.
The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT was
a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.
OOps..sorry, I got carried away!
Best regards,
Shankar.




Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> The GT coaches I saw and filmed were a bicolour of cream and green,
and one
> had "Grand Trunk Express" written in fancy letters on the side. The
other
> rake I filmed was not in Swarnajayanti colours - it had a similar
bicolour
> white and blue, but with a saffron-white-green tricolour stripe
running
> across the top of the rake from one side, then down diagonally towards
the
> bottom, and then across the bottom to the other side.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:54 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi; 'irfca@cs.email
> Subject: RE: Trainspotting
>
> >
> >Took shots of a couple of interesting rakes, including the GT and
some sort
> >of 50th anniversary rake that had trims in flag colours - can anyone
> >identify this one?
> >
> >
> >Has the GT re-acquired a distinctive livery? If so, I would love to
see
> your
> >picture. Do all the swarnajayanti trains (except the ADI Raj) have
> tri-color
> >rakes - saffron, white and green?
> >
> >Vijay

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 06:53:25 -0500


Hello,
The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for over
a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from BLR,
and so on and so forth.
I've seen a similar livery in a German book of one of their old
trains,where this livery has been referred to as the 'spinach and egg'
livery!
Incidetally, although cream is the most common color combo with most
dark colors on the IR, this same bright yellow has been used with other
colors as well:
bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
introduction:now its drab old maroon)
bright yellow/maroon: favorite NR combo: notable: NDLS-ASR Flying Mail
bright yellow/shocking pink: Pink City Express (initially, now its a
drab maroon again) etc etc.
At NDLS, you can see all sorts of livery:
light blue/white, maroon with a turquoise band at the
windows,orange/cream (Toofan and Navjivan had that livery once),navy
with blood red at the windows, etc.etc. WOnder which trains they all
come from.
Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
exists any more.
Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and Niliri
Express. I don't think this livery exists either.
Coming to think of it,barring th estandard maroon, I don't think any
other color in applied in full: there is always a light contrast to go
with any dark color nowadays.
CR was once standardizing on DQ type blue-cream, but dropped it later.I
think rather that cream above the windows, the present Shatabdi type
cream above the waist livery looks far better.
The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT was
a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.
OOps..sorry, I got carried away!
Best regards,
Shankar.




Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> The GT coaches I saw and filmed were a bicolour of cream and green,
and one
> had "Grand Trunk Express" written in fancy letters on the side. The
other
> rake I filmed was not in Swarnajayanti colours - it had a similar
bicolour
> white and blue, but with a saffron-white-green tricolour stripe
running
> across the top of the rake from one side, then down diagonally towards
the
> bottom, and then across the bottom to the other side.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:54 AM
> To: Shanku Niyogi; 'irfca@cs.email
> Subject: RE: Trainspotting
>
> >
> >Took shots of a couple of interesting rakes, including the GT and
some sort
> >of 50th anniversary rake that had trims in flag colours - can anyone
> >identify this one?
> >
> >
> >Has the GT re-acquired a distinctive livery? If so, I would love to
see
> your
> >picture. Do all the swarnajayanti trains (except the ADI Raj) have
> tri-color
> >rakes - saffron, white and green?
> >
> >Vijay

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 08:35:14 -0500



The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for over
a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from BLR,
and so on and so forth.

There existed different versions of the green-yellow livery.
KK Exp., Ganga Kaveri Exp. : Yellow above and at windows, green below,
green and yellow stripes
Sapthagiri Exp. : similar to above but with a zigzag yellow stripe below
the windows
Vaigai Exp.: similar to the first but with an extra green stripe above
the windows


bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
introduction:now its drab old maroon)

Even the Coromandel Exp. had the same livery.


Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
exists any more.

Brindavan had two cream stripes, one above and one below the windows.


Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and Niliri
Express. I don't think this livery exists either.

Even the Minar Exp. and the AP Exp. had this livery.

Quite a few trains in the late 70s had the DQ navy blue-cream livery -
DQ (of course), Sinhagad, Panchavati, Mahanagri. Now DQ, Pragati,
Sinhagad, Deccan and Panchavati have a similar livery with an extra red
stripe above the windows.


The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT was
a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.

The Howrah-Kalka Mail had a similar livery with an extra chocolate
stripe above the windows. In the mid-90s, quite a few trains from the
South acquired this livery - GT, Tamilnadu, AP, Kerala,
Mumbai-Nagercoil. Another variation of the cream-chocolate livery was
cream at the windows with chocolate above and below and stripes -
Muzaffarpur Jayanti Janata Exp., Secunderabad Jayanti Janata Exp.

Vijay
>

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: on 18233

Date: 04 Mar 1999 10:23:11 -0500


The train was roaring into Asansol station, and I wasn't able to follow
it
to get a good standing shot, so the only shot I got (a front angle view)
will have to do. I had been standing watching the train come in, getting
ready to take a good passing WDM2 shot. Only after I had clicked the
shutter
did I notice the stunning livery, as I watched the "Black Lightning"
logo
pass by me.

I've posted it to <A HREF="http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG">http://www.irfca.org/members/shankun/28.JPG</A>. I have a
bigger picture if anyone would like. My scanner did not do justice to
this
photo - I'm going to have to find a scanner with better color contrast
and
rescan it.

Shanku


-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar [mailto:shankie@emirates.email
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:21 AM
To: Shanku Niyogi
Cc: 'Joydeep Dutta'; irfca@cs.email
Subject: Re: on 18233


Hmm.Black livery? Thats interesting.
Teh only earlier black beauties on the IR were on the erstwhile GIP, and
for a while even on the present CR: all the WCMs wore a jet black livery
with red trim all thorugh the 1970s into the early 80s.
The only diesel blacks I've seen are in pics from the US. Is it possible
to post a pic for all of us to see?
Best regards.
Shankar


Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>
> Andal appears to be the place to go if you're in the east for diesel
> watching. I also spotted a beautifully painted WDM2 based at Andal,
No.
> 16115 - it is black with white trim, and lightning bolts on the side
with
> the insignia "Black Lightning". It was hauling the Danapur-Tata
Express.
>
> Shanku
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joydeep Dutta [mailto:joydeepdutta@hotmail.email
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:11 AM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: on 18233
>
> Dear Friends
> Harsh has already forwarded my message that I had spotted the first
> WDM2 no 18233 built at DLW and dedicated to the nation by Sri Lal
> Bahadur Shastri on 3rd Jan 1964. It is now allocated to Andal Diesel
> shed of the Eastern Railway. Interestingly enough the first WDM2 of
the
> 16 series -- ,16000 is also at Andal.
> Joydeep
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Railway budget highlights!

Date: 04 Mar 1999 11:06:56 -0500


Some further news on the Bangladesh link: I have with me a bunch of
Calcutta
newspapers from the day the budget was reported, and one sidebar reports
Mr.
Kumar's discussing the Singapore rail link. Supposedly, the corridor
from
India out to Myanmar would use the Burdwan-Katwa line in West Bengal,
linking with a line across Bangladesh, and the new Agartala-Akhuara line
in
the northeast to connect to Myanmar. So this would seem imply a route
through Gede.

By the way, to see all the major rail links from West Bengal into
Bangladesh, check out the WB railways map at
<A HREF="http://mapsofindia.com/maps/wb/h3s3205.htm">http://mapsofindia.com/maps/wb/h3s3205.htm</A>. I had no idea there were
this
many. My question is, if trains will go from Katwa to Gede, won't they
have
to go through part of the Ranaghat-Krishnanagar section of the main
Sealdah
suburban line? Or maybe they could go all the way up through Berhampur
and
Lalgola and enter up there near Rajshahi?

Shanku

From: John Brant <>

Subject:

Date: 04 Mar 1999 14:20:23 -0500


Does anyone know if any of the Garretts which
worked the Indian Rail System are still around.
 
I know there is an old South African Unit on show
in a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland.
 

From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: Garratts

Date: 04 Mar 1999 15:39:23 -0500


Dear John Brant (and all),
     One of the BNR Garratts is preserved at the National Railway Museum in Delhi: I think it's the only one left.
       Cheers
            Ken Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
To: irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, 5 March 1999 8:46


Does anyone know if any of the Garretts which
worked the Indian Rail System are still around.
 
I know there is an old South African Unit on show
in a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland.
 
J H Brant

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Weird WAP1 usage?

Date: 04 Mar 1999 17:19:10 -0500


Folks,

Here's an interesting thing I ran across during my trip to India, and I
was
wondering if anyone else among you have seen this or would know anything
about. While travelling on the Black Diamond Express from Howrah to
Kulti,
somewhere around Burdwan I crossed a goods train being hauled by twin
WAP1s.
I wouldn't think there was any shortage of non-passenger electrics,
especially on a Sunday, so what gives?

Shanku

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Weird WAP1 usage?

Date: 04 Mar 1999 20:46:32 -0500



> somewhere around Burdwan I crossed a goods train being hauled by twin
WAP1s.
> I wouldn't think there was any shortage of non-passenger electrics,
> especially on a Sunday, so what gives?
Probably beacause ER needed the power in Howrah from
somewhere else ? And A short freight move at the same
time was preferable to running the locos light ?

Just wondering.

--
Jayant S
--

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 21:01:05 -0500


G.T. has indeed aquired new livery in form of cream and light green as
was
said earier. It is a peculiar colour albeit not very great but certainly
new
and different. Unfortunately due to cross breeding practices prevalent
on
the IR, not all coaches on all the G.T. rakes have this new livery.
Bombay
Rajdhani has blue(shatabdi's) generator cars. Even the colour of
different
coaches are different shades of red of which some(3T-AC) stand out like
a
sore thumb.

The most uniformly `painted' and maintained rakes I have seen over the
years
are Taj, Deccan Q, Pink City/Garib Nawaj(erstwhile), Awadh
Tirhut(erstwhile), Vaigai,
Karnavati etc.

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Trainspotting


>Hello,
>The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
>bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for over
>a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
>color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
>the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
>Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from
BLR,
>and so on and so forth.
>I've seen a similar livery in a German book of one of their old
>trains,where this livery has been referred to as the 'spinach and egg'
>livery!
>Incidetally, although cream is the most common color combo with most
>dark colors on the IR, this same bright yellow has been used with other
>colors as well:
>bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
>introduction:now its drab old maroon)
>bright yellow/maroon: favorite NR combo: notable: NDLS-ASR Flying Mail
>bright yellow/shocking pink: Pink City Express (initially, now its a
>drab maroon again) etc etc.
>At NDLS, you can see all sorts of livery:
>light blue/white, maroon with a turquoise band at the
>windows,orange/cream (Toofan and Navjivan had that livery once),navy
>with blood red at the windows, etc.etc. WOnder which trains they all
>come from.
>Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
>One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
>windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
>TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
>exists any more.
>Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
>the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and Niliri
>Express. I don't think this livery exists either.
>Coming to think of it,barring th estandard maroon, I don't think any
>other color in applied in full: there is always a light contrast to go
>with any dark color nowadays.
>CR was once standardizing on DQ type blue-cream, but dropped it later.I
>think rather that cream above the windows, the present Shatabdi type
>cream above the waist livery looks far better.
>The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT was
>a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
>had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.
>OOps..sorry, I got carried away!
>Best regards,
>Shankar.
>
>
>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>>
>> The GT coaches I saw and filmed were a bicolour of cream and green,
and
one
>> had "Grand Trunk Express" written in fancy letters on the side. The
other
>> rake I filmed was not in Swarnajayanti colours - it had a similar
bicolour
>> white and blue, but with a saffron-white-green tricolour stripe
running
>> across the top of the rake from one side, then down diagonally
towards
the
>> bottom, and then across the bottom to the other side.
>>
>> Shanku
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:54 AM
>> To: Shanku Niyogi; 'irfca@cs.email
>> Subject: RE: Trainspotting
>>
>> >
>> >Took shots of a couple of interesting rakes, including the GT and
some
sort
>> >of 50th anniversary rake that had trims in flag colours - can anyone
>> >identify this one?
>> >
>> >
>> >Has the GT re-acquired a distinctive livery? If so, I would love to
see
>> your
>> >picture. Do all the swarnajayanti trains (except the ADI Raj) have
>> tri-color
>> >rakes - saffron, white and green?
>> >
>> >Vijay
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Trainspotting

Date: 04 Mar 1999 21:01:05 -0500


G.T. has indeed aquired new livery in form of cream and light green as
was
said earier. It is a peculiar colour albeit not very great but certainly
new
and different. Unfortunately due to cross breeding practices prevalent
on
the IR, not all coaches on all the G.T. rakes have this new livery.
Bombay
Rajdhani has blue(shatabdi's) generator cars. Even the colour of
different
coaches are different shades of red of which some(3T-AC) stand out like
a
sore thumb.

The most uniformly `painted' and maintained rakes I have seen over the
years
are Taj, Deccan Q, Pink City/Garib Nawaj(erstwhile), Awadh
Tirhut(erstwhile), Vaigai,
Karnavati etc.

Harsh


-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Shanku Niyogi <shankun@microsoft.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Trainspotting


>Hello,
>The GT livery is more likely to have been not cream and green, but a
>bright yellow and green.This has been the SR's favorite livery for over
>a decade now, and several of their choice trains have been given tis
>color scheme: Jayanti Janata (later Mangala Express) from MAQ-NDLS,
>the Vaigai (initially, changed several times after that),
>Tirupati-Madras push pull express, one of the Mysore expresses from
BLR,
>and so on and so forth.
>I've seen a similar livery in a German book of one of their old
>trains,where this livery has been referred to as the 'spinach and egg'
>livery!
>Incidetally, although cream is the most common color combo with most
>dark colors on the IR, this same bright yellow has been used with other
>colors as well:
>bright yellow/scarlet red: Gitanjali (first few years of its
>introduction:now its drab old maroon)
>bright yellow/maroon: favorite NR combo: notable: NDLS-ASR Flying Mail
>bright yellow/shocking pink: Pink City Express (initially, now its a
>drab maroon again) etc etc.
>At NDLS, you can see all sorts of livery:
>light blue/white, maroon with a turquoise band at the
>windows,orange/cream (Toofan and Navjivan had that livery once),navy
>with blood red at the windows, etc.etc. WOnder which trains they all
>come from.
>Two of the earlier IR favorites do not exist any more.
>One is fully deep bottle green with a cream ribbon just above the
>windows: a host of trains carried them: Koyna, Mahalakshmi,Sahyadri,
>TVC-Madras Mail (mg), Brindavan, etc. Now I don't think that livery
>exists any more.
>Another was oxford blue with a cream ribbon above the windows. Two of
>the notable trains were (1970s): Secunderabad-Bombay Express and Niliri
>Express. I don't think this livery exists either.
>Coming to think of it,barring th estandard maroon, I don't think any
>other color in applied in full: there is always a light contrast to go
>with any dark color nowadays.
>CR was once standardizing on DQ type blue-cream, but dropped it later.I
>think rather that cream above the windows, the present Shatabdi type
>cream above the waist livery looks far better.
>The only variation of maroon I've seen so far is deep chocolate. IT was
>a verypleasant combo when used in combination with cream. The Frontier
>had it, so also one of the expresses originating from NAgpur.
>OOps..sorry, I got carried away!
>Best regards,
>Shankar.
>
>
>
>
>Shanku Niyogi wrote:
>>
>> The GT coaches I saw and filmed were a bicolour of cream and green,
and
one
>> had "Grand Trunk Express" written in fancy letters on the side. The
other
>> rake I filmed was not in Swarnajayanti colours - it had a similar
bicolour
>> white and blue, but with a saffron-white-green tricolour stripe
running
>> across the top of the rake from one side, then down diagonally
towards
the
>> bottom, and then across the bottom to the other side.
>>
>> Shanku
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vijay Balasubramanian [mailto:VBalasubramanian@Softrax.email
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 10:54 AM
>> To: Shanku Niyogi; 'irfca@cs.email
>> Subject: RE: Trainspotting
>>
>> >
>> >Took shots of a couple of interesting rakes, including the GT and
some
sort
>> >of 50th anniversary rake that had trims in flag colours - can anyone
>> >identify this one?
>> >
>> >
>> >Has the GT re-acquired a distinctive livery? If so, I would love to
see
>> your
>> >picture. Do all the swarnajayanti trains (except the ADI Raj) have
>> tri-color
>> >rakes - saffron, white and green?
>> >
>> >Vijay
>

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Weird WAP1 usage?

Date: 04 Mar 1999 21:29:18 -0500




Shanku Niyogi wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Here's an interesting thing I ran across during my trip to India, and
I was
> wondering if anyone else among you have seen this or would know
anything
> about. While travelling on the Black Diamond Express from Howrah to
Kulti,
> somewhere around Burdwan I crossed a goods train being hauled by twin
WAP1s.

Can the WAPx be MUed ?

> I wouldn't think there was any shortage of non-passenger electrics,
> especially on a Sunday, so what gives?
>
> Shanku

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject:

Date: 04 Mar 1999 21:51:30 -0500


Can you pls provide the particulars of the one you have mentioned.
 
To the best of my knowledge, the following Garratts have survived in India.
 
N - 38815(BP 6594) 4-8-0 + 0-8-4 at national rail museum, New delhi
 
P - 38811(BP 6594) 4-8-2 +2-8-4 at Khragpur workshop.
 
GX  - 32086(BP 7144)  4-8-2 + 2-8-4 at Guwahati Steam shed Site
 
The last one is a rare MG garratt. additions anyone ?
 
harsh
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brant < johnbrant@ukgateway.email <mailto:johnbrant@ukgateway.email
To: irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email < irfca@cs.email <mailto:irfca@cs.email
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 2:31 PM


Does anyone know if any of the Garretts which
worked the Indian Rail System are still around.
 
I know there is an old South African Unit on show
in a Transport Museum in Coatbridge , Scotland.
 
J H Brant

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Re: Telco's ad in the TOI

Date: 04 Mar 1999 22:06:52 -0500


Apurva Bahadur wrote:
> Telco has an ad in the Times of Indian today which shows a touched up
(obviously !)
> picture of their 'Sumo' vehicle towing a long trailer full of logs
with all of its 68
> BHP. At the left corner of the picture is a YDM 4 hauling a few
Coonoor - Mettupalayam
> coaches down slope. I am very glad Telco wants us to subconsciously
associate the
> excellent YDM 4 with their vehicle. A road going YDM 4 - Ha !
> Who's idea was it Jayant ? Yours ?

Hey ! I haven't seen this ! Will look it
up and explain tomorrow. And please, gang, we used
to make YPs and YGs at Telco, so there has to be
a collective loyalty to IR anyway ? :)

--
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From: partha <>

Subject: Re: Railway budget highlights!

Date: 04 Mar 1999 22:53:49 -0500


This is just a constructive suggestion--not a criticism. Just a small
suggestion to all the contributors to this mailing list. Please modify
the subject line of your messages to reflect the actual subject of your
message. For instance, since the past few days all messages have the
same subject line (Railway budget highlights). It does not make sense to
use this line for discussing the railway projects of Bangla Desh !

In spite of the above, I must state that I fully enjoy the lively
discussions and postings. Keep it up.

...partha


PS I left the subject line in my message unchanged, just to make my
point clear.

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