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From: Auroprem Kandaswami <>

Subject: Re: "Triple" Crossing on IR!

Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:04:25 -0500





>From: "Balasubramanian, Vijay" <vbalasubramanian@noblestar.email
>To: Auroprem Kandaswami <kandaswa@apple.email Indian Rail
> <irfca@cs.email
>Subject: RE: "Triple" Crossing on IR!
>Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:32:26 -0500
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Auroprem Kandaswami [mailto:kandaswa@apple.email
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:23 PM
>> To: Indian Rail
>> Subject: "Triple" Crossing on IR!
>>
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> I wanted to share with you with a very interesting and unique
>> IR experience I had in December 1998 during my visit to India.
>>
>> I was travelling by 6011 Chennai-Madras Express (the 11 down
>> Dadar Express, prestigious train of the 70s) and at Raichur the
>> train was late by 90 minutes. Definitely not something uncommon
>> on the Wadi-Renigunta miserable line on SCR!
>
>This means that the 6011 Dn. must have reached Raichur around 6.15 am,
>right?

That is correct.
>
>
>>
>> About 15 minutes later, I saw a train coming from behind
>> us (Raichur side), and I could not take it. Someone trying to
>> overtake us? As the train came beside us (it had slowed down
>> considerably) I recognised it was H.Nizamuddin - Bangalore
>> Rajdhani Express. Had maybe 8-10 coaches. I expected the
>> Rajdhani to proceed without stopping. It stopped right on the
>> platform of Matmari station. I guess the train had totally ran
>
>That's interesting! The Aug. 1998 TT indicates that the
>Nizamuddin-Bangalore Raj reaches Raichur at 11.45 pm. This means that
the
>Raj was a whopping 6 1/2 hrs. late!! Have the timings been changed
recently?

No idea.

>
>Did the livery of the WDM2 loco. match that of the coaches or
>did it have some other color?

Livery of loco did match the coaches (red-n-white).
>
>
>> Now 5 minutes later, I could see the Rajdhani pulling away from us
>> towards Adoni side. I could not find where it stopped for the next
>> crossing. I guess the next official (scheduled) stop is Guntakal.
>>
>
>The next stop for the Bangalore Raj. is Anantapur.
>
>
>> Tiruttani, there was more fun. A Tiruttani-MAS SR local train
>> was allowed to go before us (after we reached Tiruttani).
>
>Was this a regular passenger train or EMU? As far as I know, the EMUs
do
>not go beyond Tiruvallur.

It was a EMU. SR operates EMUs upto Arakkonam & Tiruttani.
However, I guess there are only 2 Tiruttani locals in either
direction every day.

(somewhat similar to having Kalyan and Karjat locals in Mumbai).

>
>
>> I think that is a typical IR approach - 6011 is late anyway,
>> so why delay the local train which is right on schedule.
>>
>
>This happens all the time to Mumbai-bound trains that fall within
suburban
>peak hours.
>
>
>Vijay


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From: Sankaran Kumar <>

Subject: Re: New Shatabdi

Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:40:32 -0500





Poras writes:
> In fact the Madras - Mysore Shatabdi is the best as it goes
>direct between Madras Central and Bangalore city and you reach there
in
>flat 4 hrss.

Actually the MAS-SBC stretch is done in 4 hrs 45 mts and not 4 hrs.
This is only about 20 mts. faster than the Brindavan of the 70's which
used to have three halts, Katpadi, Jolarpettai, and BNC (B'lore Cantt.)

Katpadi is the BG railhead for Vellore, a significant town and district
headquarters of Tamil Nadu's North Arcot district. Also the home of the

famed Christian Medical College (CMC). Interestingly the meter gauge
line Katpadi-Pakala-Tirupati is part of the South Central railway. SC
Rly's reach extends from Tamil Nadu to Madhya Pradesh (Khandwa-Akola
line). Jolarpettai is the effective railhead for Tirupattur (the next
station on the Salem line); Tirupattur is a much smaller town compared
to Vellore however.

In my opinion the Hyderabad-Rajahmundry Shatabdi is a silly idea; if at
all a Shatabdi, it should be Hyderabad-Chennai/Tirupati.

Kumar





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From: Auroprem Kandaswami <>

Subject: Delhi-Jaipur Intercity Express extended

Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:36:13 -0500



Northern Railway will extend the Delhi-Jaipur
Intercity Express to Jodhpur from February 5.

The express will depart from New Delhi at 1700
hours and reach Jodhpur at 0640 hours. In the
reverse direction the express will depart from
Jodhpur at 2300 hours and reach New Delhi at 1120
hours.

To accommodate the extra passenger load, three
sleeper class coaches will be added on.

From: Krishnan Anand <>

Subject: Re: New Shatabdi

Date: 03 Feb 1999 19:30:39 -0500





>As long as there are politicians who can use this train who cares
>about the
>traffic?!
>Visakhapatnam is the no. 2 city for AP so this train falls short by
>about
>200 kms.
>The 2704 Falaknuma Exp. takes 8 hrs. between Secunderabad and
>Rajahmundry
>(since it uses the shorter route via Nadikude-Guntur) and the 2703
>Falaknuma
>Exp. takes about 8 hrs. 40 mts.
>This Shatabdi would probably take around 7 1/2 hrs. and have two >halts

at
>Guntur and Vijayawada. Maybe a third one at Eluru.

Today's news article in The Hindu has given more details on this. This
train would run from Feb 16th onwards. Details on the route are not
given but seeing the running time i guess it would be thru Guntur and
not the KZJ route to Vijayawada. Now for the most interesting part. The
timing for this train. Starts at Rajamundry at 4.00 am in the morning
and reaches Sec'bad at 11.30 am. Return direction departure is at 5.50
p.m at Sec'bad and reaches Rajamundry at 1.20 am. Howzzat ??.
So a total running time of 7-1/2 hours . I guess this should be
rechristened as Noctural Express than Shatabdi express !!!!!

Kind regards,
Anand.K


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From: poras p.saklatwalla <>

Subject: Re: New Shatabdi

Date: 03 Feb 1999 20:53:50 -0500


Hi Gang,
I just read the timings of the Secunderabad Shatabdi. Which fool has
decided on the timings - 1.20 am at rajamundry. I think the mandarins
at
Rail Bhavan have lost all the sensitivity and do not know the diff
between
their elbows and their arse ! How else could one explain a shatabdi
starting at an odd 4.00 am time and reaching at 1.20 am. I confirm my
view that the new shatabdi has been started, just ffor the sake of
starting a new shatabdi. How else can one explain this stupidity on the
part of railways. oooofffff indian railways !


PORAS P.SAKLATWALLA
TEL :5773535/3636
EXT :4226/4232/4237

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: C.Rly CPRO!

Date: 03 Feb 1999 21:49:16 -0500




Hi!

I was in touch with The Chief PRO in regard to our daily problem , that
of
ticketless travellers in 1st class comartments, I received a very quick
response from his office & even had checks today. Here is some part of
what I
communicated with the said office. Hope they join our gruop very soon.

Shrinivas

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI " <smg@godrej.email
To: crly.cpro@gems.email
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:19:20 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Great!!


To,

Chief PRO/ Dy. Gen. Manager
Suburban Section,
C. Rly, Mumbai

Respected Sirs,


With respect to your response to my request regarding strict ticket
checking
in early hours on locals, today I could see for myself the raids
conducted
by the flying squad. Hats off to you & your staff for such a prompt
action.
May be these were affected after you passing on the details from my mail
sent last week.

Now, I hope these will be not one time but shall take place very often.
So
as to curb the tendency of public to enjoy the rail services without
paying
for it.

Another suggestion I would like to make, not at all in this regard but
why
don't you subscribe yourself to a group on the net known as INDIAN
RAILWAYS
FAN CLUB !! The mail id for subscribing is as follows
irfca-request@cs.email
Make a request to Mr. Anurag Acharya to add your mail id on the mailing
list & Sir, you will keep on getting various mails from members of this
group which will include discussions on rly. matters & its services for
Indian masses & many suggestions on the overall improvement of our
beloved
railway. This is just a request from me, but I think it will be of very
much use to you.


Thanking you, for all the co-operation given by you & your staff.

Regards,

Yours faithfully,

S.V.Joshi

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Advert in TOI of 2nd Feb 1999

Date: 03 Feb 1999 21:55:36 -0500


Check out this advert in the TOI of 2nd Feb, the picture shows the
Diva - Vasai DMU (push pull train) on a curve.

Another Milestone Crossed Towards A National PRS Network !

Mumbai joins Delhi - Secunderabad - Calcutta network !

CRIS welcomes users of Mumbai Railway Passenger Reservation system
on the already operationeal network of Delhi, Calcutta &
Secunderabad Systems.
CONCERT COuntrywide Network of Computerised Enhanced Reservation &
Ticketing- the new PRS software developed by CRIS in the
state-of-the-art client-server environment, now supports on-line
reservations of over 4.5 lakhs passengers every day across the
network.

Reservations now possible for any train on these PRS systems
from
any terminal of the netwprk.

CRIS congratulates and thanks all the Railway users, staff and
officers
for their co-operation.

Centre for Railway Information Systems(An Organisation of the
Ministry of Railways, Govt. of India) Chanakyapuri, New Delhi-110021

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Dyamic Braking Tips for WDM2

Date: 04 Feb 1999 04:03:14 -0500


Joydeep Dutta wrote:

> Let me tell you that I have the experience of driving in a
> real WDM2 simulator at the railway technical school at Kharagpur.

Is this a real cab with all the realistic controls, how is the forward
image
simulated, and the sounds ? Is this an Indian equipment, what conditions
can
you simulate ? Let us have the list of handicaps that can be simulated.

> Since
> all of them knew that I had a lot of real life driving expereince so
> they asked me to do exactly the way I would have done it on real road.
I
> drove in my usual style. I was given a load of 40 BTPN wagons with 85%
> brake power (quite silly never happens in real life).

Does this mean that you get better than or less than 85 % power in real
life
? If I am not mistaken BPTN is a eight wheeler vacuum braked LPG tanker,
what special precautions would have to take while working this or any
tanker
load.
Give us the details of the KGP shed, how many locos, which types, which
trains do they work (all the Bhubhaseswar bound loads ?). Why is a shed
necessary at KGP while there is one at Howrah and one at Andal as well.
Please excuse my poor knowledge of the area, but I would like to hear
your
explanation.

> Bhubaneswar Dhauli express. According to his training he should open
the
> each notch by wating for five seconds. But the train lost time in the
> Kharagpur itself and so he reverted back to his old style.

What was his old style ? The Pune shed recommends ( I hope it is true)
that
the loco be worked with the fastest notching up to attain the booked
speed.
Pune shed also instructs the drivers to use the Dynamic as much as
possible.
I was told that by using the Dynamic brakes, the loco actually saves
fuel,
although I do not see how. After all the engine speeds up to the fourth
notch RPM when the dynamic brakes are selected. Only reduced load on the
engine is the reduction on the duty of the 'expressor'.

One question for Joydeep (as he has seen the WDM 2 from this close) -
have
you noticed that the booster pressure gauge (BAP - the turbo pressure
gauge)
does not show any reading when the loco is at standstill and the engine
is
raised to the 8th notch RPM. However when the loco is hauling a train,
even
the 2nd notch speed causes the BAP to show a reading. How does the loco
detect that the engine is loaded ? How is the turbo prevented from 'over
boosting' the engine at no load ?

> There are few drivers who really use the dynamic brakes to their full
> potential. All of you must have observed that in air braked trains the
> train stops with a jerk which I feel clumsy about. This could have
been
> eliminated by application of the dynamic brakes. From 100km/h to 70
km/h
> the train can be slowed by A9 but after that upto 30km/h on e should
> apply the dynamic brakes since that allows proper bunching and stops
the
> couplers from slacking.

Some of the drivers I have traveled with, use only the A9 slightly to
bunch
the load and then use the dynamic all the way down to stop. You can hear
the
engine racing away at 4th notch speed even as the loco stops. Once the
train
is standing still, the driver now brings the loco out of dynamic and the
engine returns to the idle speed. The driver's justify that the 4th
notch
speed actually helps to recreate the vacuum faster and compensate the
loss
of air pressure of the master reservoir during braking.

> My next mail will be on how to apply dynamic brakes as a driver. Those
> of you who havent driven the great WDM2, just try it out once. I bet
it
> will be the greatest treat of your life.

How be looking forward to the tips on how to correctly apply the Dynamic
brakes. How does a person drive a WDM 2 officially ? For that matter, I
would count those who have a chance to footplate a WDM 2 extremely
lucky.
There was a period during the railway strike of 1970 (?) where
engineering
students were trained to work trains.

Apurva

From: Krishnan Anand <>

Subject: Re: New Shatabdi

Date: 04 Feb 1999 07:23:03 -0500





Krishnan Anand wrote:

> Hi all,
> A news article in yesterday's Deccan Chronicle, Hyderabad
edition
> says that a new Shatabdi would be introduced between Secunderabad and
> Rajamundry. Its almost a 9.00 hour running time for a superfast
express
> train on this route. How viable would it be to run this train as i
> really do not know the patronage here in Andhra for such trains.
Another
> B'lore-Hubli scenario i guess for the sake of running a Shatabdi in
> Andhra Pradesh.

>I guess every state capital would like to connect the No2 city by a
>Shatabdi. I am surprised that AP was so late in getting one. But then
>is
>there a daily morning traffic in this route to justify the train ?

Some more additions to this worthless idea of running a prestigious
train in unearthly hours. The Sec'bad-Guntur stretch is single line with

atleast 10-15 cautions(there is a major on at a place where a new
station is coming up mainly for crossings and the trains move dead
slow). The fastest on this route is Falaknuma Exp to Howrah and it does
this stretch in 4-1/4 hours. Now they say it is almost 4-1/2 to 4-3/4
hours off late 'coz of cautions. This being the case the train after
halts at Guntur and Vijayawada should make it to Rajamundry in just 3
hours time. I also hear the the Vijayawada-Eluru-Rajamundry stretch has
quite a number of cautions too !!!! Its race against time for this
train, from day one, i bet.

Kind regards,
Anand.K


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From: Sridhar Shankar <>

Subject: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 07:41:56 -0500


Folks,

I have just expanded my website with pics from my recent trip to India.
Please take a look. I look forward to your comments.

<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html">http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html</A>

-Sridhar


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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: New Shatabdi

Date: 04 Feb 1999 07:51:45 -0500


> Today's news article in The Hindu has given more details on
> this. This
> train would run from Feb 16th onwards. Details on the route are not
> given but seeing the running time i guess it would be thru Guntur and
> not the KZJ route to Vijayawada. Now for the most interesting
> part. The
> timing for this train. Starts at Rajamundry at 4.00 am in the morning
> and reaches Sec'bad at 11.30 am. Return direction departure
> is at 5.50
> p.m at Sec'bad and reaches Rajamundry at 1.20 am. Howzzat ??.
> So a total running time of 7-1/2 hours . I guess this should be
> rechristened as Noctural Express than Shatabdi express !!!!!
>

IMHO, the timings have been deliberately designed to give a full 6 hrs.
of
daylight time at Secunderabad with convenient arrival/departure times at
Guntur and Vijayawada. Looks like the train is, primarily, going to
used by
folks working in and around Secunderabad and commuting from
Guntur/Vijayawada. One can visualize this as an extension of a
Secunderabad-Vijayawada Shatabdi Exp. to Rajahmundry to maximally
utilize
the rake and provide a connection to Rajahmundry as well. Again, a
regular
superfast train could have done the job, so folks have to unnecessarily
pay
higher fares.

I was thinking about the viability of extending the Mumbai-Pune Shatabdi
Exp. to Solapur, atleast, on some days of the week. Is there enough
traffic
from Solapur to justify such an extension? The journey could be covered
in
7 hrs. 15 mts. - so a daytime Shatabdi service is possible.

Vijay

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:53:19 -0500



> Folks,
>
> I have just expanded my website with pics from my recent trip
> to India.
> Please take a look. I look forward to your comments.
>
<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html">http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html</A>

-Sridhar


Great pictures! Covers quite a few locos. Big enough to be effectively
used as wallpapers for my desktop. Seems to me that Manmad is a decent
station for loco-spotting - WDM2, WAP1, WCAM3, ... The WCAM3 that you
captured must have been waiting for the Manmad-Kurla Exp. right?

Besides the Sachkhand Exp. which of the following trains change locos.
at
Manmad - Azad Hind, Gyan Ganga, Jhelum, Goa, Swarnajayanti, Maharashtra,
ADI-Bangalore? Why does the Karnataka Exp. not change locos. at
Manmad?
Why have the diesel locos. go all the way to Itarsi and not utilize
electric
traction between Manmad and Itarsi?

A general question - what factors govern the decision to have a loco.
changeover for a particular train at a particular station? Let's take
Manmad as an example since it does have it's own shed.

Vijay

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Delhi-Jaipur Intercity Express extended

Date: 04 Feb 1999 09:49:10 -0500



->
> The express will depart from New Delhi at 1700
>hours and reach Jodhpur at 0640 hours. In the
> reverse direction the express will depart from
>Jodhpur at 2300 hours and reach New Delhi at 1120
> hours.


This train exists for over a year now and how. It must take the cake for
being the slowest BG Express(between Jaipur and Jodhpur) taking nearly
61/2
hours for a 41/2 hour journey.

harsh

From: Madhav Acharya <>

Subject: Re: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 10:26:18 -0500


Sridhar

Lovely pics ! The Guntakal loco is the best of the lot. I have a
similar
picture on
my webpage - in fact the numbers of the two locos are pretty close
(18221
vs 18225)
I guess it comes from being based at the same shed ? Keep more photos
coming !

Madhav





Sridhar Shankar <msshanka@gsbmba2.email on 02/04/99 10:41:56 AM

To: irfca@cs.email
cc: (bcc: Madhav Acharya/EastCoast/Mobil-Notes)
Subject: My website !





Folks,

I have just expanded my website with pics from my recent trip to India.
Please take a look. I look forward to your comments.

<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html">http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html</A>

-Sridhar


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GSB MBA '99 Chicago, IL 60615
University of Chicago (773) 752 1131
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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: News from Rediff

Date: 04 Feb 1999 10:42:47 -0500


It's easy
Central Railways now offers Bombay commuters the option to buy their
season
tickets by credit card.
Head for counters six and seven at the Victoria Terminus. Credit cards
have
been installed at these counters.

Note down this telephone number
Western Railways now offers an interactive voice response system on 132
in
New Delhi and Ahmedabad. Recorded messages about train timings will be
available at 133.

Tatkal extended to intemediate stations
Tatkal Reservation service, which was originally available for instant
reservations to end stations only, will now be available for
intermediate
stations on certain trains.
* On the Kushinagar Express, which runs from Kurla, Bombay to
Gorakhpur, it will be available for reservations to Lucknow and beyond.
* On the Konark Express, which runs from VT Bombay to
Bhubaneshwar, it
will be available for reservations to Secunderabad and beyond.
* On the Vidharbha Express, which runs from VT Bombay to Nagpur,
it
will be available for reservations to Badnera and beyond.
* On the Hussain-Sagar Express, which runs from VT Bombay to
Hyderabad, it will be available for reservations to Solapur and beyond.
* On the Geetanjali Express, which runs from VT Bombay to
Calcutta, it
will be available for reservations to Tatanagar and beyond.
* On the Hyderabad Express, which runs from VT Bombay to
Hyderabad, it
will be available for reservations to Solapur and beyond.
* On the Punjab Mail, which runs from VT Bombay to Ferozepur, it
will
be available for reservations to Bhopal and beyond.

Senior citizens pay less
Northern Railways offers 30 per cent discounts on train tickets to
anywhere
in all classes for citizens, age 65 or above from August 15 onwards.
Proof of age is not required at the time of booking the ticket. But
during
the journey the ticket collector would require proof.

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Jalgaon has a web page!!

Date: 04 Feb 1999 14:24:23 -0500


Folks,

Check out this site: <A HREF="http://jalgaon.com">http://jalgaon.com</A> Interesting spellings for
certain stations: Nijamuddin, Illahabad, Ahemdabad.

Vijay

From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:50:26 -0500


Really great shots, Sridhar!!

Keep them coming, guys. Those of us a "long way from home"
are sure appreciative.

8^) Particularly like the WDM2C 4020 shot.

Annie

From: Krishnan Anand <>

Subject: Re: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 19:28:50 -0500


Hi Shankar,
Great work pal. Lovely photos. WDM2c was cool. So too was the
jumbo.
Apurva !! this was something similar to what i saw but the livery was of

the Erode shed. The nose was a little bit tapering.
Shankar !! i thought the livery of the twin WAG5 Locos at Manmad were
that of Arakkonam. Even Bhilai has the same livery is it.Surprising!!
Nyways a job well done. Hail Shankar!!!


Kind Regards,
Anand.K

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:41:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Sridhar Shankar <msshanka@gsbmba2.email
To: irfca@cs.email
Subject: My website !

Folks,

I have just expanded my website with pics from my recent trip to India.
Please take a look. I look forward to your comments.

<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html">http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html</A>

-Sridhar


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GSB MBA '99 Chicago, IL 60615
University of Chicago (773) 752 1131
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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: My website !

Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:17:12 -0500


Great Pics, the large format of the pics is very welcome. The WDM 2
pages
is really very very good.

Apurva

Sridhar Shankar wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have just expanded my website with pics from my recent trip to
India.
> Please take a look. I look forward to your comments.
>
> <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html">http://members.xoom.com/sridhar_s/sri0.html</A>
>
> -Sridhar
>
> ****************************************************************
> Sridhar Shankar 1616 E. 50th Place, Apt.13A
> GSB MBA '99 Chicago, IL 60615
> University of Chicago (773) 752 1131
> *****************************************************************

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Jalgaon has a web page!!

Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:25:08 -0500


I was wondering what was interesting about a site on Jalgaon, but this
is
a hilarious site, a must see for all. The site constructors must be
mighty pleased about the sudden increase in the traffic to their site.
Have a look, then we will all compare notes.

Apurva

Balasubramanian, Vijay wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Check out this site: <A HREF="http://jalgaon.com">http://jalgaon.com</A> Interesting spellings for
> certain stations: Nijamuddin, Illahabad, Ahemdabad.
>
> Vijay

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