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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: [Fwd: electrical safety and overhead wires

Date: 09 Jan 1999 01:32:34 -0500


From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: Re: We are off to Wankaner

Date: 09 Jan 1999 02:09:30 -0500


best of luck to our intrepid adventurers.

8^)

Annie

From: Sachin P Keshavan <>

Subject: A strange looking Loco!!

Date: 09 Jan 1999 05:07:40 -0500


Hi all,
During one of my trips home I found a strange looking loco pulling the
6526 Island Exp. From the colour combination and the logo on the engine
I think it is from the KJM Division.
This strange looking loco, had the short hood part removed. It
resembled the front of a bus with two big wind screens and all. The
driver's console was not placed in the side (as in other locos), but
directly in front of him. The Assistant's console was sideways.
I have only found this loco once, and nowhere else. Are these types of
locos used any where in India.

Thanks,
Sachin.
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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Some notes on the WDP 2

Date: 09 Jan 1999 10:55:38 -0500


Thanks a lot, Harsh, for making the concepts technically clear
I guess the parameter related to MG was the "axle load" and not the
"power".

Infact I was quite excited when I first saw this engine in Mangalore and
(ignorant of the details - and going by the higher number) thought that
it
was a more powerful engine which was to draw my train. Then of course it
was
replaced by an Erode WDM2.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
To: Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@usa.email Krishnan Anand
<krish_nand@hotmail.email iti@vsnl.email <iti@vsnl.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Some notes on the WDP 2


>
>->I was also in doubt about the WDM 7 which I saw recently on a trip to
>>Mangalore. It was seen to bring in the 2620 up on to the platform
prior to
>>departure, was green and yellow, from the Ernakulam shed. I later met
Mr.
>>I.S. Anand who explained to me that this was a BG made over the MG
engine
>ie
>>that the engine was originally used for MG (of lower power) and used
for
>>light loads and tracks. I have misplaced the paper on which I noted
the
>>exact number but indeed my memory says it was of the 11000 series.
>
>
>Dear Rajan and others,
>
>Only 15 WDM7(Co-Co DE) were built by DLW in 1987-89, are numbered
between
>11001-15 and are based at SR's Ernakulam and Erode sheds. They have a
longer
>body than WDM2 though they use same bogie and wheels. They have much
less
>weight of 96 t compared to 113 t of WDM2. At lower axle load of 16 t
they
>were designed for branch line passenger duties and are now relegated to
>shunting jobs only. They may be thought of as the forerunners of the
current
>WDPx series. At 1800 Hp their engine power is a far cry from the 1300
Hp of
>a metre gauge engine.
>
>HARSH
>
>
>

From: prakash <>

Subject: Axle Brush and Indian Loco

Date: 09 Jan 1999 12:20:39 -0500




Folks,

Apurva, Sarosh and Viraf have already started their trip
to Wankaner so update on this topic at this time may not
be appropriate (since Apurva is investigating this issue).
Anyway here are my two cents.

American locomotive traction motors differ from many
European and Japanese motors in one aspect. All American
motors are pivoted on axles on one end and the other end
is attached to the truck. This eliminates the need of
axle brushes.

Most of the traction motors in India have American gene
in them so it may not be surprising if Apurva finds that
axle brushes do not exist in India.

Prakash

From: KRISHNA T S <>

Subject: Re: One eyed WDM 2

Date: 09 Jan 1999 20:01:09 -0500


Hi Guys

Low nose WDM2s are also at the Golden Rock shed. I just saw one at the
Chennai Egmore station, having a snooze at the end of platform No 1
after bringing in the Pallavan Express from Trichy. Wish you were
here!!!!


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>Subject: Re: One eyed WDM 2
>Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:31:30 +0530
>
>
>>ooh... is there more than one nose type for WDMs's???
>>I've never seen a low nose WDM2, but of course my experience is
>>limited by my location!
>>
>
>
>Low nose WDM2s(Jumbos) are all based at Ludhiana and Pune(Any more?
Pls
>let
>me know). They were built to increase the otherwise poor driver
>visibility.
>But they were not convenient either(Indian drivers used to WDM 2s
>all-round
>view did not like the front only restricted view) and had the problem
of
>to-be-rotated at the end of every journey. The drivers preferred the
>access
>and ease of handling controls in a regular WDM2.
>
>HARSH
>
>Hi all,
>I have seen low nose WDM2 based at Erode and Guntakal/Gooty sheds also.

>Last time when i travelled by 6011/6012 it was hauled by a low nose
>Jumbo from the Guntakal/Gooty shed. My friends tell me that there are
>similar ones based at Kazipet shed too. I guess they are all scattered.

>I saw a pair (that is a rare sight) of low nose WDGs heading a big
>container formation at Aluva station in Kerala last month. So there are

>quite some low nosed Jumbos around.
>
>Anand.K
>
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From: Sachin P Keshavan <>

Subject: Re: A strange looking Loco!!

Date: 09 Jan 1999 20:54:30 -0500


Hi all,
I am sorry, but about the strange looking Loco, I don't have its loco
number or the class information. When I saw it I never thought of
joining this mailing list and asking the question :-)

Bye,
Sachin.

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From: Juan M Celorio <>

Subject: Page for the Wormald Open

Date: 09 Jan 1999 22:39:11 -0500


Wormald Open '99 now has a page at :
www.celorio.com/ferro/

Then Click on the "Online news"

Saludos to all

From: Dr. K.J. Walker & Mrs. M.E, Heath <>

Subject: Re: Axle Brush and Indian Loco

Date: 10 Jan 1999 14:42:58 -0500


Dear Prakash and gang,
The "axle brush" part of this dialogue started out as a question
about
current getting to the rail on the return circuit in electric stock. One
of
the earliest enquirers surmised (quite correctly) that there would be
severe
arcing in the bearings if an independent path for the current was not
provided, with consequent pittting and rapid deterioration of the
bearing
surfaces. I'm not sure about Indian practice, but standard practice with
electric stock overseas is to provide what is called a "slip ring" made
of a
conductive material such as Brass or phosphor-bronze on the axle,
against
which brushes -- typically large blocks of copper-carbon - bear. The
wear is
taken by the brushes, which are quite soft, but which bear on a smooth
surface, so they don't deteriorate rapidly.
Motor mounting will not affect the need for slip rings, whether
they
are "nose suspended" the traditonal way, with one side of the motor
supported on the farme and the other linked to the axle, or whether they
drive through gearboxes, carden shafts or any of the other devices
associated with frame-mounted motors.
By the way, they are called "brushes" because the first trams --
in
Richmond, Virginia, USA in 1881 -- actually used brushes consisting of
bundles of copper wire to tranmsit the current to the commutators of the
electric motors. This was common practice in industrial motors at the
time.
The trams left a glittering trail of tiny copper fragments, and it
wasn't
very long before the idea of the carbon brush occurred to Frank Sprague,
the
man in charge and "father" of electric tramways and railways. The rest
is
history!
Happy trainspotting!
Ken Walker


-----Original Message-----
From: prakash@us.email <prakash@us.email
To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Sunday, 10 January 1999 6:36
Subject: Axle Brush and Indian Loco


>
>
>Folks,
>
>Apurva, Sarosh and Viraf have already started their trip
>to Wankaner so update on this topic at this time may not
>be appropriate (since Apurva is investigating this issue).
>Anyway here are my two cents.
>
>American locomotive traction motors differ from many
>European and Japanese motors in one aspect. All American
>motors are pivoted on axles on one end and the other end
>is attached to the truck. This eliminates the need of
>axle brushes.
>
>Most of the traction motors in India have American gene
>in them so it may not be surprising if Apurva finds that
>axle brushes do not exist in India.
>
>Prakash
>
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Jumbo WDM 2s

Date: 11 Jan 1999 04:35:50 -0500





>Dear Harsh
> The Jumbo type WDM2s are not only based at Pune or Ludhiana they are
>also based at TKD. Check out 17852 which at TKD. On the ER they are
base
>at Howrah and Burdwan. 17850, 17851 are quiet regular performers on the

>Darjeeling Mail are based at Burdwan. I spotted some at Kharagpur. But
I
>forgot the number.
>Bye
>Joydeep
>
>

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Some notes on the WDP 7

Date: 11 Jan 1999 07:24:56 -0500





>Hi! Harsh Its Joydeep
>WDM7 can be stated as you have told a hood unit version of the WDM1 and
>it has no dynamic braking facility. The YDM4 engine that is the 251D 6
>in line has been used for the only two WDM6 locos built and the WDS6
>and WDS6R Locos (R means for railways). The new GM loco GTMAC46 is
>classified as WDG4 and will be numbered in the series 11.
>The WDM6 locos ride on ICF type bogies. Both are allocated to the E.
Rly
>Sincerely yours
>Joydeep
>
>

The engine for WDM7 is DLW V12 251B(which is based on Alco V12 251B used
in
WDM1s) and the same engine is also being used in the emerging prototype
WDP? class loco which is yet to be christened. I don't think V12 251B is
being used anywhere in a WDGx class, or is it ?


Any idea where the two WDM6 are located? I would love to see a picture
even. By the way these were the lightest mainline diesel loco on the BG
used
in India weighing just 70 tons with a maximum speed of about 70-75
km/hr.

HARSH

From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: new Rajdhani.

Date: 11 Jan 1999 12:13:23 -0500



I was surprised to see an ad in the HT today regarding a new
Rajdhani that was inaugrated today between New Delhi and
Guwahati. It will run twice a week, and is presumably in
addition to the thrice-a-week Rajdhani already in service.

The new Rajdhani will go via Muradabad, Bareilly, Lucknow, Varanasi,
Balia, Hajipur, Barauni, New Jalpaiguri, etc. to Guwahati.
It starts from New Delhi at 12:45 PM, and reaches Guwahati
at 20:30 the next day. It shares the timing with existing
Rajdhani between Barauni and Guwahati.

I am quite surprised by this train. This was not announced in the
budget, and it takes a route which makes it slower than
existing Rajdhani by 4 hours and 15 minutes. Since Rajdhani trains
have extremely small quotas for intermediate stations, and
mostly caters to end-to-end crowd, it makes no sense to run
a train on a longer route.

We already have a strange situation where Patna Rajdhani takes
same time as Magadh Express, with very similar timings, except
a much higher fare. Now this new Rajdhani will take marginally
less time than North-East Express between New Delhi and Guwahati,
but will charge a much higher fare.

Why would they stop Rajdhani at Balia at 03:00 AM. How many
passengers would really benefit from this.

-dheeraj
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From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: new Rajdhani.

Date: 11 Jan 1999 12:52:48 -0500


>
>
> I was surprised to see an ad in the HT today regarding a new
> Rajdhani that was inaugrated today between New Delhi and
> Guwahati. It will run twice a week, and is presumably in
> addition to the thrice-a-week Rajdhani already in service.
>
> The new Rajdhani will go via Muradabad, Bareilly, Lucknow, Varanasi,
> Balia, Hajipur, Barauni, New Jalpaiguri, etc. to Guwahati.
> It starts from New Delhi at 12:45 PM, and reaches Guwahati
> at 20:30 the next day. It shares the timing with existing
> Rajdhani between Barauni and Guwahati.

Fantastic! Another Rajdhani train via Varanasi! I had always wondered
why
there was no Guwahati-bound train via
Varanasi-Chhapra-Muzaffarpur-Barauni..... whereas the present East-West
Guwahati-bound trains either use Kanpur-Mughalsarai-Patna or
Lucknow-Gorakhpur-Chhapra.

>
> I am quite surprised by this train. This was not announced in the
> budget, and it takes a route which makes it slower than
> existing Rajdhani by 4 hours and 15 minutes. Since Rajdhani trains
> have extremely small quotas for intermediate stations, and
> mostly caters to end-to-end crowd, it makes no sense to run
> a train on a longer route.

Would cater to folks from the intermediate stations. This would be the
first Rajdhani on the Delhi-Moradabad-Lucknow and
Varanasi-Ballia-Chhapra-Muzaffarpur-Barauni sections. I would LOVE to
have
the complete schedule of this train. Which Lucknow-Varanasi route does
this
employ? via Sultanpur or via Pratapgarh or via Faizabad?


>
> We already have a strange situation where Patna Rajdhani takes
> same time as Magadh Express, with very similar timings, except
> a much higher fare. Now this new Rajdhani will take marginally
> less time than North-East Express between New Delhi and Guwahati,
> but will charge a much higher fare.

The Patna Rajdhani can easily cover the Varanasi-Patna stretch in about
3
hrs. 15 mts. but IR has given it a 4 hr run. Wonder why?!!

>
> Why would they stop Rajdhani at Balia at 03:00 AM. How many
> passengers would really benefit from this.

At present, there is no direct train between Ballia and stations in the
Barauni-Katihar-Guwahati section.


Vijay

From: Jayant S <>

Subject: Query: WAP 5

Date: 11 Jan 1999 19:21:24 -0500


Hi All:
Saw a couple of the ABB WAP5 locos at NDLS
two days ago.
Anyone have the specs for this ? Power, speed
rating and trains which they haul ?
They have a much more "Euro" look than any
other Indian stock. Even the power trucks/bogies
are different.
--
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Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(20)702534 : FAX 91(20)773191
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From: Anne Ogborn <>

Subject: WDM2 roof panels

Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:55:51 -0500


Studying photos of the WDM2, it's easy to see that the
roof area of the long hood is composed of a number of
"strips", with a joint every two doors.

Looking at Apurva's

<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~IRFC/wdm2in.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~IRFC/wdm2in.htm</A>

you can see these panels. There's one above the "73"
and another above the "18". My question is, are they welded
down? Are they hinged? What are they? Why was the engine
made this way? Do they continue all the way to the crown
of the roof?

They don't seem to continue over the radiator area or
over the engine intakes. The first one aft of the forward
engine intake is obviously special - it's usually flopping loose,
and the handrail is broken there. I presume it's a hatch.


If anybody has an overhead shot of a WDM2, let me know!


Annie

From: Krishnan Anand <>

Subject: Re: Query: WAP 5

Date: 12 Jan 1999 03:53:13 -0500


Hi all,
More to Jayant's query. Is this the new "Navyug" range of Locos
built with ABB technology. I just had a look at it in the rail mag. It
sure seems more "videshi" as far as looks are concerned. The livery
seems o.k. If it is uniform for all the sheds that are going to accquire

them it would be good. Any idea which are the sheds that are fortunate
enough to press them into service. I guess they were primarily meant for

long haul freight trains.

Anand.K


----Original Message Follows----
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:51:24 +0530
From: Jayant S <sank@telco.email
Reply-To: sank@telco.email
To: IR List <irfca@cs.email
Subject: Query: WAP 5

Hi All:
Saw a couple of the ABB WAP5 locos at NDLS
two days ago.
Anyone have the specs for this ? Power, speed
rating and trains which they haul ?
They have a much more "Euro" look than any
other Indian stock. Even the power trucks/bogies
are different.
--
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Telco Premises : Pimpri : PUNE : 411 018 : INDIA
TEL 91(20)702534 : FAX 91(20)773191
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From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: new Rajdhani.

Date: 12 Jan 1999 04:10:24 -0500


Vijay, I am surprised by your mail. Let me warn you
that you are not going to like the following mail.


> Would cater to folks from the intermediate stations.

Vijay, you are the strongest critic when they add Allahabad
or Mathura as a stop on the route of Howrah Rajdhani or the
Mumbai Rajdhani. You also wonder why the Trivandrum Rajdhani
is so much slower, or why Bhubaneswar Rajdhani goes via
Howrah. It could have saved an hour or two if it had gone via
Adra/KGP. But you don't seem to have any problems with Patna
Rajdhani and the new Guwahati Rajdhani even though they take
such a long route. Sorry to be personal, but it seems to
me that the new Rajdhani is acceptable to you even though
it is slower by over 4 hours, since it touches Varanasi.

This argument of catering to intermediate stations can be
taken to any extreme. Why should south-bound Rajdhanis not
stop at Agra and Gwalior. Aren't these important cities.

Rajdhani trains are supposed to provide fast end-to-end connections.
90% of the passengers travelling on a typical Rajdhani are between
New Delhi and the other endpoint. One must cater to these 90%
more than an odd passenger who might like to travel by Rajdhani
from an intermediate station. I can guess that Balia would have
a quota of 2 berths on this train. In order that 2 passengers
from Balia can save a couple of hours in reaching Guwahati
(otherwise they would have to come to Patna and then take Rajdhani),
you are justifying delaying 500 passengers by over 4 hours,
and not only that, you are also justifying overcharging these
500 passengers because Railways takes them on a longer route.

In my opinion the Rajdhani trains must travel to their
destination by the fastest route, and stop at the minimum
number of intermediate stops. The stops should only be for
technical reasons like change of crew, change of loco, loading
food stuff, etc., and of course, if they have to stop anyway
for technical reasons, they may pick up some passengers as well.


> This would be the first Rajdhani on the Delhi-Moradabad-Lucknow
> and Varanasi-Ballia-Chhapra-Muzaffarpur-Barauni sections.

Would you like to have a Mumbai Rajdhani on NDLS-Jhansi-Bhopal-Ujjain-
Ratlam-Vadodara-Mumbai route. That will be the first Rajdhani on
Bhopal-Ratlam section. I will hate such a Rajdhani which takes time
comparable to a non-Rajdhani train that goes via a more direct route.


> I would LOVE to have the complete schedule of this train.

The advt only gave the timings for one direction. Here they are:

Station ARR DEP

New Delhi 12:45
Moradabad 15:40 15:45
Bareilly 17:00 17:02
Lucknow 20:40 20:55
Varanasi 01:20 01:25
Balia 03:30 03:35
Hajipur 05:34 05:37
Barauni 07:45 07:55
Katihar 10:30 10:40
New jalpaiguri 13:50 14:00
New Bongaigaon 17:58 18:00
Guwahati 20:30


> Which Lucknow-Varanasi route does this employ?
> via Sultanpur or via Pratapgarh or via Faizabad?

I don't know.


> At present, there is no direct train between Ballia
> and stations in the Barauni-Katihar-Guwahati section.

Does there have to be a Rajdhani type train from
every city to every other city ? There is no train
from Unnao and Unchahar also. May be Rajdhani should
go from Lucknow-Unnao-Unchahar-Allahabad-Varanasi.


-dheeraj

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Indian Institute of Technology (0512) 59-0725/0413
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From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: WDM2 roof panels

Date: 12 Jan 1999 06:53:31 -0500


Hello,
Diesel-freak and fellow Poona-wallah Apurva may well prove me wrong, but
I have seen a couple of WDM/2s under servicing at the massive Poona
diesel shed.
I could have sworn that the panels you refer to are HINGED.In fact, they
open out as trendy angular doors.
As a matter of fact, access to the powerpak of the WDM/2 is quite easy:
eight small doors on the long hood, four large panels above that, (each
panel is the width of two doors), and these angular panels above that.
If all the access doors are opened, the engine is almost stripped
bare,and is a mere skeleton.
Uno momento Apurva, let me duck under the table!
BEst regards.
Shankar


Anne Ogborn wrote:
>
> Studying photos of the WDM2, it's easy to see that the
> roof area of the long hood is composed of a number of
> "strips", with a joint every two doors.
>
> Looking at Apurva's
>
> <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~IRFC/wdm2in.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~IRFC/wdm2in.htm</A>
>
> you can see these panels. There's one above the "73"
> and another above the "18". My question is, are they welded
> down? Are they hinged? What are they? Why was the engine
> made this way? Do they continue all the way to the crown
> of the roof?
>
> They don't seem to continue over the radiator area or
> over the engine intakes. The first one aft of the forward
> engine intake is obviously special - it's usually flopping loose,
> and the handrail is broken there. I presume it's a hatch.
>
> If anybody has an overhead shot of a WDM2, let me know!
>
> Annie

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Query: WAP 5

Date: 12 Jan 1999 06:53:38 -0500


Hello,
The Bo-Bo WAP/5 AND Co-Co WAG/9 are among the latest line of imported
locomotives soon to be built in India.
While I do not know about the deployment of the WAG/9, the WAP/5s are
presently being used to haul superfasts from NDLS like the Prayagraj
Express. I remember having seen in the official IR website that the
WAP/5s were tested on the WR at 140 kmph.
The WAP/5s have a max. speed of 160 kmph but can be re-geared for 200
kmph. I think one was tested on teh NR lastyear at 180 kmph. Very
impressive indeed, what one can pack into a dimunitive Bo-Bo frame.

To quote from J.E.Daboo's book:

WAP/5: Convertor locomotive with GTO thyristors and 3-phase asynchronous
motors.The first such locomotives in Asia.Electrical parts are similar
to 'Lok2000' produced for a number of European railways.
Ribbed body side.Cab has side windows in door and also ahead of door,and
is of metal construction with 2 front windows (windshields) (rather than
g.r.p. with one large front window as on the European locomotives). Two
2-axle Henschel Flexifloat bogies.Can be re-geared to 200 kmph.Produced
by ABB in Australia (bodyshell and bogies) and Switzerland (electrical
parts).Used on NR. More planned to be made by CLW.

WAG/9: Convertor locomotive with GTO thyristors and 3-phase asynchronous
motors.Most powerful electric locomotive in India.Like WAP/5 but
longer,with smooth body side.Two 3-axle Flexifloat bogies. Design
permits ballsting to 138 tonnes.Some of the first batch from ABB were
assembled at CLW, and production of more units at CLW is in
progress.
Best regards.
Shankar


Jayant S wrote:
>
> Hi All:
> Saw a couple of the ABB WAP5 locos at NDLS
> two days ago.
> Anyone have the specs for this ? Power, speed
> rating and trains which they haul ?
> They have a much more "Euro" look than any
> other Indian stock. Even the power trucks/bogies
> are different.
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From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: Jumbo WDM 2s

Date: 12 Jan 1999 06:53:50 -0500


Hello,
We've been through this before, but I think the Jumbos are a very cruel
joke played on the diesel drivers on the IR. I sometimes wonder how the
design engineers of a massive organization like the DLW can goof like
that. (Most awfully sorry, Larry).
Well, I'm sure they meant well. Or decided to blindly ape the West, i.e.
copy the 'safety cab' design of teh hoods on US railroads based purely
on the pics they have seen of such engines, i.e. pics of the external
body work alone.
The idea was to have terrific visibility with the short hood
leading,what with two enormous windshields, each fitted with THREE
wipers:a long one, one shorter,and one still shorter: SIx wipers in all!

But alas, the engines were probably desined for US drivers.With the
dimunitive frame of our desi drivers, the windshield used to start at
forehead level.The drivers were lucky if they could manage a peek out of
the glass from the droop in the glass at the extreme left and extreme
right where the nose meets windshield.
The cab entrance doors both opened onto the long hood, so both driver
and co-driver had to make do with small door-mounted windshields with
the long hood leading: no honeymoon there either.
Plus, with an angular control desk at just the perfect height, looking
at the gauges is usually a breeze. With short hood leading on the
Jumbos, the drivers are literally up against a wall. Driving was like
peeping out of a ventilator, with a massive nose cavity at knee level.
Its a wonder no jumbos crashed because the driver couldn't see well
enough!
Aesthetically though, they weren't bad.
Best regards.
Shankar



Harsh Vardhan wrote:
>
> >Dear Harsh
> > The Jumbo type WDM2s are not only based at Pune or Ludhiana they are
> >also based at TKD. Check out 17852 which at TKD. On the ER they are
base
> >at Howrah and Burdwan. 17850, 17851 are quiet regular performers on
the
> >Darjeeling Mail are based at Burdwan. I spotted some at Kharagpur.
But I
> >forgot the number.
> >Bye
> >Joydeep
> >
> >

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